I'd say WAR is more of a DAoC clone than a WoW clone. I agree being a WoW clone isn't bad due to its success in the MMO community. But WAR is somewhat new to me. It has some features seen in DAoC and WoW ect, but I still feel like it marchs to its own beat. I'm not too concerned what game it reminds me of anyway as long as it is fun to play and doesn't run like crap.
Guys. What makes you think that being a DAOC clone instead of a WOW clone is better? It looks like you don't care that the game is a rip-off as long as it isn't a WoW ripoff. And it does not matter that most people cannot see that WAR is closer to DAOC. The 10million WoW kiddies are gonna go:
OMGZ!!! Tis iz teh new WOWZORS! Everione sweetch to teh Warhammerz!!
IS NOT HARD TO SEE... WOW - PVE GAME WAR - PVP GAME CAREBEARS STAY OUT OF WAR PLS, YOU WILL NOT LIKE THE GAME. WOW IS BETTER.
But wow is for teh kids. WAR has nice graphics. And this guy Barnett is so cool. He always makes me and my friends at school laugh. And he also said that we are going to kill big bad monsters, and no boring death penaties and teen rating, which mommy likes. She promised to buy me Warhammer for christmas. Can't wait.
Guys. What makes you think that being a DAOC clone instead of a WOW clone is better? It looks like you don't care that the game is a rip-off as long as it isn't a WoW ripoff. And it does not matter that most people cannot see that WAR is closer to DAOC. The 10million WoW kiddies are gonna go:
OMGZ!!! Tis iz teh new WOWZORS! Everione sweetch to teh Warhammerz!!
Get ready for a nice surprise.
You, my son, are confused.
Each and every piece of creative endeavor made by humans anytime and anywhere is based on something else that someone else made before. That, my son, is the nature of things.
For example, Mona Lisa is a portrait. That doesn't mean that it is a rip-off or a clone of portraits done before it. Manet was the first of the great impressionists but if someone said that Degas, for example, is "cloning" or "ripping-off" Manet, that someone would get laughed out of the room as an ignorant simpleton that he is.
That being said, that each game is based on something else that has gone before it, the real question is on what is it based on? Personally I'd rather have WAR being based on DAoC core game design rather than WoWs... for in these matters WoW sucks and DAoC rules.
All games should look at what others are doing and what is working. Thats what Blizzard did and then added some very technical aspects to the game that no other company had gotten into their games before.
Will WAR launch with no AH ? Or trading system where you need to stay online to sell (like EQ2 had at launch)?
War will hopefully also look at some of the games that have things that aren't working as well as the devs wanted. Lets for example take LOTRO moral system and music playing "healing" effects.... Some like it - but majority of healer types simply hate it and can't stand playing the game cause of it.
And hopefully WAR will learn from AOC that launching an unfinished game is not really that great .... unless you are just gonna steal some money from ppl - and then run away and make a XboX version with the leftovers...
In terms of wow clone - I hope WAR brings few key elements of WoW gameplay, custimation and comunity aspects to their game. If not it might end up pretty bad.
There is nothing bad about being a WoW clone. WoW's success means that "WoW rippoff" can be a very viable design decision for an MMORPG that will bring lots of cash to the company and lots of fun to the players. And WAR is definitely the best contender in the "WoW ripoff" race.
Now THIS is a troll bating thread if I've ever seen one. It figures that they remove my threads and ban me and yet let jokers like this keep posting.
Needless to say, WAR is far from being a "WoW ripoff." I've played WoW for a number of years and I'm in WAR Beta. I can assure you that WAR is a different animal altogether.
There is nothing bad about being a WoW clone. WoW's success means that "WoW rippoff" can be a very viable design decision for an MMORPG that will bring lots of cash to the company and lots of fun to the players. And WAR is definitely the best contender in the "WoW ripoff" race.
Now THIS is a troll bating thread if I've ever seen one. It figures that they remove my threads and ban me and yet let jokers like this keep posting.
Needless to say, WAR is far from being a "WoW ripoff." I've played WoW for a number of years and I'm in WAR Beta. I can assure you that WAR is a different animal altogether.
Don't worry, i've been suspended numerous times, for 1 or 3 days each time. I've learned my lessons.
WOW=PVE raiding same scripted zones over and over for LOOTS to move to the next tier and repeat till you can move to next tier and so on and of course Blizzard does try add RVR type PVP to the game
War=PVP with 2 main sides and everyone can help their side and take over cities, open world rvr to take keeps, instance RVR, but of course there is pve but most PVE helps in RVR so is a different form of RVR without PVP
2 different gameplay styles from ground up. Different Lore,setting and background too. Its a different game.
I mean right now most stuff copies and evolves off of other IP's. Really they wanna take what's been (and people like) and make it there own and add there own twist and not make something 'completely" different and have it fail. It's all about money and what works makes money.
If its the UI people are used to give it to em with your own twist. I mean every game I see has drawn off of something that came before it. So in everyway another game is a clone that came before it. One reason people say WAR and WOW are similiar is basicly the art style. But if you have ever played the WAR tabletop the game looks JUST like the figures.
This is the way WAR looks period. And yeah it may not have the BEST grapchics like AOC but they want it to be friendly and people to jump right into PVP. You see the mess with performance AOC has. The thing is alot of people comps cannot handle all the eyecandy at once.
If you ever read some developement stuff you will see developers for PC games have a hard time when coming out with a game to run on everyones PC. Because you got the low end crowd who upgrades barely enough every few years to get by then you got the hardcore who spend thousands on a rig. But some games do cater to the more hardcore who spend more but MMO's rely on monthly subs to survive and you have to think they got alot more going on on screen then like a FPS.
So the devs have to balance out gameplay to performance. You may say well so and so game in development looks alot better then WAR well this may or may not be true but Mythic chose gameplay over eyecandy and I think they are using a decent engine to run it on. The zones have to be bigger them some. You have to look to alot of AOC is instanced because it looks so good thats one pitfall of the graphics on these large scaled games.
Sorry I know I made that into something it shouldn't have been. But as you see everything can be considered a clone of something else.
Let's not overgeneralize, WOW is like the bard, a mix of everything, not just PvE Focus. I haven't even done all the 5 mans dungeons since TBC came out let alone any raiding dungeons and I've been playing it very regularly since then.
Alright... Since I haven't really seen anyone else say it - granted I just browsed through this thread since I was pretty sure I knew how it went - then I will...
PEOPLE! Ignore any threads this guy posts! He's posted 2 here in WAR forums today just to piss people off and I've seen other such posts in other forums. So please people... Stop feeding this troll bait and he'll return under his bridge... Or at least leave this place.
There is nothing bad about being a WoW clone. WoW's success means that "WoW rippoff" can be a very viable design decision for an MMORPG that will bring lots of cash to the company and lots of fun to the players. And WAR is definitely the best contender in the "WoW ripoff" race.
If WAR was simply WoW with RvR, I would be a happy man.
However, it appears to be much much more and im interested to see how they develop the genre.
My concerns are the de-emphasis on crafting and the non-conflict social stuff..
Why exactly are we discussing why WAR is/could be/might be/isn't bad being/etc etc a WoW clone, for the 2,670,162nd time?
Really people, the horse is dead, buried, dug back up, sent to the glue factory, processed, turned into glue, shipped to the store, bought, brought home, and THEN BEATEN.
Give it up already. Enough WoW crap on the WAR forums, mmkay?
Can someone make a " ALL WoW CLONE/TROLL POST HERE" STICKY thread already? So we can consolidate all the retards...
Originally posted by Jaga-TAO Really people, the horse is dead, buried, dug back up, sent to the glue factory, processed, turned into glue, shipped to the store, bought, brought home, and THEN BEATEN.
Give it up already. Enough WoW crap on the WAR forums, mmkay?
I'm just going to start quoting myself, so I don't go braindead from reading all the WoW dribble. I guess it's either that, or stop visiting these forums if this is the quality of posts we have on a regular basis out here..
At least for the UI, it's easy to see WoW's UI is heavily based and a more refined version from Asheron's Call. You can say every MMO since WoW is a ripoff of it, just as WoW has taken everything from previous MMO's and heavily refined them. WAR is doing just the same although PvP is a very evolved and improved version of DAoC, while PvE is based from all previous MMO's but heavily improved upon.
I just wanna saw that WAR is even all around. The whole idea of RvR is that no matter waht you do it benefits your realm. Weither it be a large amount of PvE quests or hardcore PvP all day. WAR isint going to be little PvE or else they wouldnt have put in a new mechanic such as public quests.
WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW.
Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe.
It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW. Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe. It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.
Beg to disagree... Warhammer is a dark parody rather than a rip-off of Tolkien. Too many people ignore the humorously cynical component of Warhammer. Warhammer to Tolkien is what Malcolm in the Middle is to The Brady Bunch.
WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW. Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe. It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.
Beg to disagree... Warhammer is a dark parody rather than a rip-off of Tolkien. Too many people ignore the humorously cynical component of Warhammer. Warhammer to Tolkien is what Malcolm in the Middle is to The Brady Bunch.
You are right in what you say, but i did say FUNDIMENTAL, the basic races, looks etc.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
There is nothing bad about being a WoW clone. WoW's success means that "WoW rippoff" can be a very viable design decision for an MMORPG that will bring lots of cash to the company and lots of fun to the players. And WAR is definitely the best contender in the "WoW ripoff" race.
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I'd say WAR is more of a DAoC clone than a WoW clone. I agree being a WoW clone isn't bad due to its success in the MMO community. But WAR is somewhat new to me. It has some features seen in DAoC and WoW ect, but I still feel like it marchs to its own beat. I'm not too concerned what game it reminds me of anyway as long as it is fun to play and doesn't run like crap.
Hehe, as*mith, our resident troll
Guys. What makes you think that being a DAOC clone instead of a WOW clone is better? It looks like you don't care that the game is a rip-off as long as it isn't a WoW ripoff. And it does not matter that most people cannot see that WAR is closer to DAOC. The 10million WoW kiddies are gonna go:
OMGZ!!! Tis iz teh new WOWZORS! Everione sweetch to teh Warhammerz!!
Get ready for a nice surprise.
WOW - PVE GAME
WAR - PVP GAME
CAREBEARS STAY OUT OF WAR PLS, YOU WILL NOT LIKE THE GAME. WOW IS BETTER.
But wow is for teh kids. WAR has nice graphics. And this guy Barnett is so cool. He always makes me and my friends at school laugh. And he also said that we are going to kill big bad monsters, and no boring death penaties and teen rating, which mommy likes. She promised to buy me Warhammer for christmas. Can't wait.
You, my son, are confused.
Each and every piece of creative endeavor made by humans anytime and anywhere is based on something else that someone else made before. That, my son, is the nature of things.
For example, Mona Lisa is a portrait. That doesn't mean that it is a rip-off or a clone of portraits done before it. Manet was the first of the great impressionists but if someone said that Degas, for example, is "cloning" or "ripping-off" Manet, that someone would get laughed out of the room as an ignorant simpleton that he is.
That being said, that each game is based on something else that has gone before it, the real question is on what is it based on? Personally I'd rather have WAR being based on DAoC core game design rather than WoWs... for in these matters WoW sucks and DAoC rules.
All games should look at what others are doing and what is working. Thats what Blizzard did and then added some very technical aspects to the game that no other company had gotten into their games before.
Will WAR launch with no AH ? Or trading system where you need to stay online to sell (like EQ2 had at launch)?
War will hopefully also look at some of the games that have things that aren't working as well as the devs wanted. Lets for example take LOTRO moral system and music playing "healing" effects.... Some like it - but majority of healer types simply hate it and can't stand playing the game cause of it.
And hopefully WAR will learn from AOC that launching an unfinished game is not really that great .... unless you are just gonna steal some money from ppl - and then run away and make a XboX version with the leftovers...
In terms of wow clone - I hope WAR brings few key elements of WoW gameplay, custimation and comunity aspects to their game. If not it might end up pretty bad.
Now THIS is a troll bating thread if I've ever seen one. It figures that they remove my threads and ban me and yet let jokers like this keep posting.
Needless to say, WAR is far from being a "WoW ripoff." I've played WoW for a number of years and I'm in WAR Beta. I can assure you that WAR is a different animal altogether.
Now THIS is a troll bating thread if I've ever seen one. It figures that they remove my threads and ban me and yet let jokers like this keep posting.
Needless to say, WAR is far from being a "WoW ripoff." I've played WoW for a number of years and I'm in WAR Beta. I can assure you that WAR is a different animal altogether.
Don't worry, i've been suspended numerous times, for 1 or 3 days each time. I've learned my lessons.
WOW=PVE raiding same scripted zones over and over for LOOTS to move to the next tier and repeat till you can move to next tier and so on and of course Blizzard does try add RVR type PVP to the game
War=PVP with 2 main sides and everyone can help their side and take over cities, open world rvr to take keeps, instance RVR, but of course there is pve but most PVE helps in RVR so is a different form of RVR without PVP
2 different gameplay styles from ground up. Different Lore,setting and background too. Its a different game.
I mean right now most stuff copies and evolves off of other IP's. Really they wanna take what's been (and people like) and make it there own and add there own twist and not make something 'completely" different and have it fail. It's all about money and what works makes money.
If its the UI people are used to give it to em with your own twist. I mean every game I see has drawn off of something that came before it. So in everyway another game is a clone that came before it. One reason people say WAR and WOW are similiar is basicly the art style. But if you have ever played the WAR tabletop the game looks JUST like the figures.
This is the way WAR looks period. And yeah it may not have the BEST grapchics like AOC but they want it to be friendly and people to jump right into PVP. You see the mess with performance AOC has. The thing is alot of people comps cannot handle all the eyecandy at once.
If you ever read some developement stuff you will see developers for PC games have a hard time when coming out with a game to run on everyones PC. Because you got the low end crowd who upgrades barely enough every few years to get by then you got the hardcore who spend thousands on a rig. But some games do cater to the more hardcore who spend more but MMO's rely on monthly subs to survive and you have to think they got alot more going on on screen then like a FPS.
So the devs have to balance out gameplay to performance. You may say well so and so game in development looks alot better then WAR well this may or may not be true but Mythic chose gameplay over eyecandy and I think they are using a decent engine to run it on. The zones have to be bigger them some. You have to look to alot of AOC is instanced because it looks so good thats one pitfall of the graphics on these large scaled games.
Sorry I know I made that into something it shouldn't have been. But as you see everything can be considered a clone of something else.
Let's not overgeneralize, WOW is like the bard, a mix of everything, not just PvE Focus. I haven't even done all the 5 mans dungeons since TBC came out let alone any raiding dungeons and I've been playing it very regularly since then.
Yet another dumbass thread about WAR looking like WOW or being like it...................................
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
Alright... Since I haven't really seen anyone else say it - granted I just browsed through this thread since I was pretty sure I knew how it went - then I will...
PEOPLE! Ignore any threads this guy posts! He's posted 2 here in WAR forums today just to piss people off and I've seen other such posts in other forums. So please people... Stop feeding this troll bait and he'll return under his bridge... Or at least leave this place.
If WAR was simply WoW with RvR, I would be a happy man.
However, it appears to be much much more and im interested to see how they develop the genre.
My concerns are the de-emphasis on crafting and the non-conflict social stuff..
Can someone make a " ALL WoW CLONE/TROLL POST HERE" STICKY thread already? So we can consolidate all the retards...
At least for the UI, it's easy to see WoW's UI is heavily based and a more refined version from Asheron's Call. You can say every MMO since WoW is a ripoff of it, just as WoW has taken everything from previous MMO's and heavily refined them. WAR is doing just the same although PvP is a very evolved and improved version of DAoC, while PvE is based from all previous MMO's but heavily improved upon.
I play WoW...it's boring. I want something new. Thank you and good bye forum troll.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
I just wanna saw that WAR is even all around. The whole idea of RvR is that no matter waht you do it benefits your realm. Weither it be a large amount of PvE quests or hardcore PvP all day. WAR isint going to be little PvE or else they wouldnt have put in a new mechanic such as public quests.
WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW.
Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe.
It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Beg to disagree... Warhammer is a dark parody rather than a rip-off of Tolkien. Too many people ignore the humorously cynical component of Warhammer. Warhammer to Tolkien is what Malcolm in the Middle is to The Brady Bunch.
Beg to disagree... Warhammer is a dark parody rather than a rip-off of Tolkien. Too many people ignore the humorously cynical component of Warhammer. Warhammer to Tolkien is what Malcolm in the Middle is to The Brady Bunch.
You are right in what you say, but i did say FUNDIMENTAL, the basic races, looks etc.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Who care?
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Anyone coming to this game wanting a wow clone will be sadly disappointed. Im not a beta-tester, but judging by the videos, its not going to be.
Not every mmo post Warcrack is a wow-clone.
OMG Tabula Rasa is a wow-clone! They both have monsters, quests, instances, cheesy pvp and guns! It must be! lol