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NDA Update (If All Goes Well In Guild Beta...)
RJO_
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Mark Jacobs has spoken:
Folks,
The way beta is going right now, I'd expect the NDA to be lifted sooner, rather than later. I want to lift the NDA well before the OB. If the Guild Beta goes well, we'll do just that. If it doesn't, well, that's why it's called beta.
As to Open Beta, well, what can I say except it too is right on track as of now.
As always though, dates are still set in mud for a little while longer. If GB goes according to plan (which means we find a bunch of new things to fix but not lots and lots of bunches), the mud will start hardening. This game will be released when it is ready for prime-time and not before. We still have a while to go before the Fall...
Mark
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Heres to hoping that GB goes smoothly.
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
I agree it's a pain having these NDA's, but we have to respect them or else people jump to conclusions. Although there is a good reason why so many respect and uphold WAR's NDA
At least they are gonna lift theirs well before the game hits. Not just some "You can only see the starting town and talk about the first 10 levels of the game" kind of lift either.
I think that its rather telling, because that means they intend to have the game publicly acceptable, not only before launch, but before OB even. That denotes a great amount of polishing effort put into place by this team...and regardless of what becomes of WAR, I really respect that. Fly or fall, they are going to run on their own merits and nothing less. I'd be hard pressed not to at least pay them one month just to support such principles. Even if I hate the game...I want to encourage all MMO companies to follow suit in this.
Here's to the hardening of the mud!
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
Nothing wrong with that. Given what you just said, I would expect an objective and unbiased review of what you have seen. I certainly expect some people to look on the game in a bad light. We all love different things, and hate different things. For instance, I'm probably the only one here that still gets a chubby from hearing about turn based battle systems (and I don't mean that bastardized thing that FF11 produced....ick and ew mixed with "jesus I wish they had choked to death before implementing that"). I bet most of you would scorn such a thing in your MMO's...and it would be quite the selling point for me.
So long as you are detailed, and fair, I wouldn't hassle you even once for hating it. When the NDA is lifted...just remember to not be emotional about what you say. Being detached is helpful when trying to give us a complete and fair stance. Exaggerating would ruin it for you, and I really don't wanna see that. I'm actually interested in what you are going to say at this point.
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
hehe , your reading way to far into what i said !
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
There's 2 types of Beta Testers:
1) The all play, no work type (basically worthless)
2) The types who realize this is BETA and do everything they can to help make it a better game through helpful gameplay suggestions and bug catches.
I fall in the second group. Just from your overall attitude, I'm guessing you belong in group #1. Those who play Beta only for fun are most likely all about the immediate gratification. It's IGNORANT to think that this game can be fully enjoyed when played in SECTIONS (like it is in Beta). MMOs can only truly be enjoyed when you build a character from low to high level. Your vision is limited, as far as I'm concerned. You've got the blinders on and you can't see the big picture.
Guild Beta (incoming next week) is going to be the ultimate test for this game. It will make or break it. When it comes down to it, WAR is about coordination and cooperation on the battlefield. Good Guilds are the epitome of organization and coordination. Up until now, we've been missing that vital ingredient. Without organized combat, WAR is just a spiffier version of WoW. While there's other innovations ingame (PQs, Tome of Knowledge, crafting, Living Cities, etc.), It's the open world rvr that will truly set this game apart from WoW.
I have faith in Mythic that they'll be able to pull this off. That's why I have no doubt that this game will be a huge success when it's released.
why do i get the feeling i am getting flamed for my comment . all i said was i can't wait to talk about the game ! lol
/sigh
I believe they are responding to Antarious, not you tr289. Yea I agree with you tr289. I have been in the beta since September of last year and really cannot wait to finally be able to talk about this game and my experiences in it.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
FOR THE MUD!!!
RIP Orc Choppa
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
There's 2 types of Beta Testers:
1) The all play, no work type (basically worthless)
2) The types who realize this is BETA and do everything they can to help make it a better game through helpful gameplay suggestions and bug catches.
I fall in the second group. Just from your overall attitude, I'm guessing you belong in group #1. Those who play Beta only for fun are most likely all about the immediate gratification. It's IGNORANT to think that this game can be fully enjoyed when played in SECTIONS (like it is in Beta). MMOs can only truly be enjoyed when you build a character from low to high level. Your vision is limited, as far as I'm concerned. You've got the blinders on and you can't see the big picture.
Guild Beta (incoming next week) is going to be the ultimate test for this game. It will make or break it. When it comes down to it, WAR is about coordination and cooperation on the battlefield. Good Guilds are the epitome of organization and coordination. Up until now, we've been missing that vital ingredient. Without organized combat, WAR is just a spiffier version of WoW. While there's other innovations ingame (PQs, Tome of Knowledge, crafting, Living Cities, etc.), It's the open world rvr that will truly set this game apart from WoW.
I have faith in Mythic that they'll be able to pull this off. That's why I have no doubt that this game will be a huge success when it's released.
i don't know if ignorant or naive is the word i'm looking for... it's ignorant/naive to believe that thousands of unpaid beta testers are involved in "beta testing" for anything other than a free sneak peak at a game. they are, after all, unpaid.
i'm sure there's 4 or 5 people that are in it because, by God, they will donate their time and energy to help a company make untold millions with no expectation of any recompense whatsoever.
there's a portion that will do whatever testing the devs ask, because, after all, they're getting to play the game in advance AND for free.
then there's a bunch that are there because they can play for free and it makes them feel special. if they happen to test something the devs wanted tested (probably because a lot of stuff was disabled to force them to test), then great, otherwise, it's not like they're being paid to do this beta testing, it is after all, an advanced (free) screening of the game.
so, once gaming companies start paying people to beta test, i'd expect NDAs to be worth something; until that point... be real.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Awsome cant wait! Will be nice to see some comments from beta testers.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
There's 2 types of Beta Testers:
1) The all play, no work type (basically worthless)
2) The types who realize this is BETA and do everything they can to help make it a better game through helpful gameplay suggestions and bug catches.
I fall in the second group. Just from your overall attitude, I'm guessing you belong in group #1. Those who play Beta only for fun are most likely all about the immediate gratification. It's IGNORANT to think that this game can be fully enjoyed when played in SECTIONS (like it is in Beta). MMOs can only truly be enjoyed when you build a character from low to high level. Your vision is limited, as far as I'm concerned. You've got the blinders on and you can't see the big picture.
Guild Beta (incoming next week) is going to be the ultimate test for this game. It will make or break it. When it comes down to it, WAR is about coordination and cooperation on the battlefield. Good Guilds are the epitome of organization and coordination. Up until now, we've been missing that vital ingredient. Without organized combat, WAR is just a spiffier version of WoW. While there's other innovations ingame (PQs, Tome of Knowledge, crafting, Living Cities, etc.), It's the open world rvr that will truly set this game apart from WoW.
I have faith in Mythic that they'll be able to pull this off. That's why I have no doubt that this game will be a huge success when it's released.
i don't know if ignorant or naive is the word i'm looking for... it's ignorant/naive to believe that thousands of unpaid beta testers are involved in "beta testing" for anything other than a free sneak peak at a game. they are, after all, unpaid.
i'm sure there's 4 or 5 people that are in it because, by God, they will donate their time and energy to help a company make untold millions with no expectation of any recompense whatsoever.
there's a portion that will do whatever testing the devs ask, because, after all, they're getting to play the game in advance AND for free.
then there's a bunch that are there because they can play for free and it makes them feel special. if they happen to test something the devs wanted tested (probably because a lot of stuff was disabled to force them to test), then great, otherwise, it's not like they're being paid to do this beta testing, it is after all, an advanced (free) screening of the game.
so, once gaming companies start paying people to beta test, i'd expect NDAs to be worth something; until that point... be real.
The beta isn't just for having a sneak peak - it's what it's exactly said to be for: testing.
They know if they invite thousands of people, they will begin to try to use skills to their advantage, and break the game in ways they would've never noticed. People are trying to find glitches to make themselves fight better or what have you, and the developers take note of it and fix it.
Whether or not the people would like to admit it, they are helping the team make it an overall better game. Reguardless of it being a beta, people will still try to exploit it in their favor, which the team can then see and patch before release comes around.
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
There's 2 types of Beta Testers:
1) The all play, no work type (basically worthless)
2) The types who realize this is BETA and do everything they can to help make it a better game through helpful gameplay suggestions and bug catches.
I fall in the second group. Just from your overall attitude, I'm guessing you belong in group #1. Those who play Beta only for fun are most likely all about the immediate gratification. It's IGNORANT to think that this game can be fully enjoyed when played in SECTIONS (like it is in Beta). MMOs can only truly be enjoyed when you build a character from low to high level. Your vision is limited, as far as I'm concerned. You've got the blinders on and you can't see the big picture.
Guild Beta (incoming next week) is going to be the ultimate test for this game. It will make or break it. When it comes down to it, WAR is about coordination and cooperation on the battlefield. Good Guilds are the epitome of organization and coordination. Up until now, we've been missing that vital ingredient. Without organized combat, WAR is just a spiffier version of WoW. While there's other innovations ingame (PQs, Tome of Knowledge, crafting, Living Cities, etc.), It's the open world rvr that will truly set this game apart from WoW.
I have faith in Mythic that they'll be able to pull this off. That's why I have no doubt that this game will be a huge success when it's released.
i don't know if ignorant or naive is the word i'm looking for... it's ignorant/naive to believe that thousands of unpaid beta testers are involved in "beta testing" for anything other than a free sneak peak at a game. they are, after all, unpaid.
i'm sure there's 4 or 5 people that are in it because, by God, they will donate their time and energy to help a company make untold millions with no expectation of any recompense whatsoever.
there's a portion that will do whatever testing the devs ask, because, after all, they're getting to play the game in advance AND for free.
then there's a bunch that are there because they can play for free and it makes them feel special. if they happen to test something the devs wanted tested (probably because a lot of stuff was disabled to force them to test), then great, otherwise, it's not like they're being paid to do this beta testing, it is after all, an advanced (free) screening of the game.
so, once gaming companies start paying people to beta test, i'd expect NDAs to be worth something; until that point... be real.
The beta isn't just for having a sneak peak - it's what it's exactly said to be for: testing.
They know if they invite thousands of people, they will begin to try to use skills to their advantage, and break the game in ways they would've never noticed. People are trying to find glitches to make themselves fight better or what have you, and the developers take note of it and fix it.
Whether or not the people would like to admit it, they are helping the team make it an overall better game. Reguardless of it being a beta, people will still try to exploit it in their favor, which the team can then see and patch before release comes around.
obvlivionate is correct: all testers actually do help to a degree.
At the very least, they are another body, which helps stress the servers and the capacity of areas. Also, they provide invisible statistics that the developer collects, such as time spent playing, class/race played, when they login, how fast they level, etc. Developers are always collecting statistics in beta tests, whether you submit reports or not. This is some of the most useful information, because it lets them know how people play the game.
Even if they play just for fun they do help. They help when they rant about how bad the game is, because at least it is some form of feedback, even if done in a rather poor manner. It is also helpful when they find exploits, even if unreported, because sometimes devs watch these things passively. They even can spy on things like guild chat and get feedback from that.
Anyway, the best tester typically is one who actually tests things that they are supposed to test, files reports, catches typos, gives balance feedback, etc. But, every tester, even ones there for a free ride, do contribute.
By the way, I do file many reports every play session, so I am doing my part to help make the game better for all of you.
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i can not wait until the NDA is lifted . i have so much i want to say about WAR ... it's killing me to keep my mouth shut !
Personally I can't wait for all the people waiting to play the game and tell me their point of view.. rather than trying to sell them mine.
I'm in beta as well and probably wouldn't have the same kind of things to say as you... but that's why I kind of can't wait for a bunch to get in and try it for "real".
I will say that the beta is being run very professionally regardless of how I feel about the product.. which is something positive to say the least.
There's 2 types of Beta Testers:
1) The all play, no work type (basically worthless)
2) The types who realize this is BETA and do everything they can to help make it a better game through helpful gameplay suggestions and bug catches.
I fall in the second group. Just from your overall attitude, I'm guessing you belong in group #1. Those who play Beta only for fun are most likely all about the immediate gratification. It's IGNORANT to think that this game can be fully enjoyed when played in SECTIONS (like it is in Beta). MMOs can only truly be enjoyed when you build a character from low to high level. Your vision is limited, as far as I'm concerned. You've got the blinders on and you can't see the big picture.
Guild Beta (incoming next week) is going to be the ultimate test for this game. It will make or break it. When it comes down to it, WAR is about coordination and cooperation on the battlefield. Good Guilds are the epitome of organization and coordination. Up until now, we've been missing that vital ingredient. Without organized combat, WAR is just a spiffier version of WoW. While there's other innovations ingame (PQs, Tome of Knowledge, crafting, Living Cities, etc.), It's the open world rvr that will truly set this game apart from WoW.
I have faith in Mythic that they'll be able to pull this off. That's why I have no doubt that this game will be a huge success when it's released.
i don't know if ignorant or naive is the word i'm looking for... it's ignorant/naive to believe that thousands of unpaid beta testers are involved in "beta testing" for anything other than a free sneak peak at a game. they are, after all, unpaid.
i'm sure there's 4 or 5 people that are in it because, by God, they will donate their time and energy to help a company make untold millions with no expectation of any recompense whatsoever.
there's a portion that will do whatever testing the devs ask, because, after all, they're getting to play the game in advance AND for free.
then there's a bunch that are there because they can play for free and it makes them feel special. if they happen to test something the devs wanted tested (probably because a lot of stuff was disabled to force them to test), then great, otherwise, it's not like they're being paid to do this beta testing, it is after all, an advanced (free) screening of the game.
so, once gaming companies start paying people to beta test, i'd expect NDAs to be worth something; until that point... be real.
You also forgot the bunch who get in early, create a database website ahead of time and destroy any real guesswork or questionable tricks and immersion as the wowhead degenerated filth runs around spamming items that drop off a boss they haven't even seen yet.
Problem with the WoW databases is that WoW quests were sometimes very vague or had low drop rates that made you question if that was the right area. WAR has the quest highlighting on the map so there isn't really any quesswork. Hey am I in the right area? OH im in the red circle so I must be.
Also remember that the Warherald will have untold amounts of wealth. Whether it includes an item database or not remains to be seen but I would assume that Mythic has it planned since WoWhead, Thottbot, and others have become so popular.
As for the types of beta testers...well its never cut and dry. Some just test to see what the game is like. Some play the game like normal and give feedback here and there. Others will explore everywhere. We have people that try to break parts of the game/exploit which is helpful in its own right and we have number crunchers that show theoretically how things are unbalanced or broken. You need all of the above to really test the game because thats how people will really play the game. The people that will play straight to 40, others will take there time and enjoy things, others will find ways to exploit to achive things, and people will always try to figure out formulas to achieve the best output.
As for an NDA being worth something. Well it is a contract and if they wanted to they could make you pay dearly for breaking it.
Getting paid doesn't matter to a lot of people. Making the game a fun MMO to play with their friends is important. Look at the countless MODS that are out there for games. Some have taken years to create and they didn't get paid to make them.
Personally I take any NDA breakers opinion with a grain of salt. Why? Because there are only a few reason to break it 1. Popularity/attention 2. Dislike the game and don't care 3. Trying to sell somebody on it. #1 will cause people to exagerate or leave out certain details to make things sound worse/better than they are. #2 are going to only include the negative aspects of the game OR make everything sound negative 3. Are the opposite of #2.
When the time comes for NDA drop I will give my 2c to those interested but until then things are changing so whats the point. There are a lot of people that just want information on things and thats fine but others will cry bloody murder at the slightest 1/2 complete thing.
The only tough part i've experienced with the NDA is not being able to share with my guildies. We have quite a few people in the closed beta, and it's killing all of us not being able to discuss and strategize based on what we know at present.
That being said, the NDA is important, and it's important to respect it. There's still a ways before opening, and there will be plenty of time to really break down the game after the NDA is lifted and before it is released so i'm not too worried.
Right now if there are questions from the guild, I tell them to review editorials on http://only-war.com or check out warhammers site and watch videos. There's still a lot to learn about the game thats public, it's just the details you can't go into.
I'm sure guild beta will go great!
-Gyn
>>> Gynthazi <<<
"Every man is a divinity in disguise, a God playing the fool." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
This was great news. Man I hope Guild Beta goes good and no major flaws are found I so am ready to get some sorta release date and I hope it ships in the fall
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Very good news.
I've only been in beta for a short period of time (1.5 months, though I feel like an elder already
) but I feel the pain as much as you guys. I have real respect for those who have been in BETA for 6-12 months+ and have kept with the NDA.
Anyway, in respects to how people play in BETA, i'm sure that the developers are getting the information they need. For every 5 guys who are in BETA just to learn their character and get a head start, there's going to be that one person who gives beneficial feedback to the DEVS and devotes his/her time to finding bugs and improving the game. I think of myself as a mixture. I play my Sorcerer a lot so I can get to know the quests and the combat in advance, but when I see a problem I report it, and when I don't feel a gaming mechanic is working correctly or efficiently I tell them about with the feedback box. That's really all I feel obligated to do honestly, as the whole not getting paid thing comes into play.
These are just my opinions on the matter of course.
Wow that's very cool. It shows how confident they are with their game, which is something to look for in companies nowadays. Man I can't wait for this game! I don't think it's gonna be hard for me to drop Conan once this comes out, too.
I'm sooo excited! me wuntz 2 kno!
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