Why isn't there a Space Sim MMOG?

Dellyo · September 2004

you'd think this would be no brainer, you get a Freespace/Wing Commander style space combat game, add hundreds of players at once, with costomizable ships from Fighters to Capitals, add a few warring factions to join up with, BAM, the greatest game ever, it would make a fortune.

I dream of Captaining a Captial Ship manned by real people, someone navagating, another at the wepon console sending commands to the gunner stations, and me barking orders to my ship's Fighter Wing, as we plow through an ememy Blockade (also manned by real players)

My god, it would be Glorious.

so any reason why no dice?

as for EVE it had some of the best space graphics, sound, and stylistic design I've EVER seen for a space-based game. It's too bad the gameplay and game dynamics sucked the big one.

Enigma · September 2004

Originally posted by Dellyo
you'd think this would be no brainer, you get a Freespace/Wing Commander style space combat game, add hundreds of players at once, with costomizable ships from Fighters to Capitals, add a few warring factions to join up with, BAM, the greatest game ever, it would make a fortune.

Besides from the Twitch style gameplay you want (which CCP will NOT do and I agree they shouldn't) they do have fully customizable ships. The problem is the lag killed the environment during Beta 1. EVE still has the coding to fully color your ships whatever color you wish and they have coding to add Corporate Icons on your ship.

The coding they currently have will stress the servers, that's why they took it out..for now.

I dream of Captaining a Captial Ship manned by real people, someone navagating, another at the wepon console sending commands to the gunner stations, and me barking orders to my ship's Fighter Wing, as we plow through an ememy Blockade (also manned by real players)

That sounds like SWG: Jump to lightspeed to me.

as for EVE it had some of the best space graphics, sound, and stylistic design I've EVER seen for a space-based game. It's too bad the gameplay and game dynamics sucked the big one.

lol, be careful. Many people here are EVE players and we enjoy the game very much. However you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

Also, welcome to the forums.

Originally posted by WizGamer
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Dellyo · September 2004

ok, I understand that the vast majority of space mmorpgs are point and click.

And yes, Jumpgate was my previous mmorpg but I left because the developers at the game pissed me off to no end.

And I still refuse to play SWG even with the space combat expansion because its not a 100% fully space combat game. I'm really not in a mood to actually kill ewoks for weeks to finally get to go up in space.

Enigma · September 2004

Originally posted by Dellyo
I'm really not in a mood to actually kill ewoks for weeks to finally get to go up in space.

You don't.

You're issued a ship the very first time you log in with the expansion pack.

Originally posted by WizGamer
Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .

r1tual · September 2004

I like the space sim type games. Wing Commander is still my favorite game of all time. Eve Online being second.

Eve Online is good enough for me. If something better comes out, then I would be more happy then you could imagine. But im happy with Eve.

Enigma · September 2004

Originally posted by r1tual

I like the space sim type games. Wing Commander is still my favorite game of all time.

Yes, Wing Commander was pretty sweet

Originally posted by WizGamer
Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .

Arleonenis · September 2004

hmmm i`ve readed some info about star trek mmo, it was just started to development and it have this commanded by many players ships and planets too

btw eve is good but endless nerfing pissing me off

nonjonron · September 2004

I've been playing Eve since July. My take away is that Eve has a very well designed "core" construction that might stand the test of time. Let me give you some examples:

Economy - Eve has a strong player driven economy that appears to be based upon a solid economic model that includes location specific pricing, item destruction (items leave the game) and a robust market module that allows players to make offers by location/time/price variables.

Skill System - Eve employs a flexible skill system that allows new skills to be added when new types of equipment are added to the game. Most people focus on the fact that you can train off line as a major benefit of this system. They miss the major advantage of a skill based system (contrasted to a level based system). New skills can be added and made available to every character in a uniform manner (unlike a level based system that is class specific).

Character avatar placeholder - Eve falls short in character avatar utilization. No first person views, character walking around a station, etc. There is nothing to prevent the developers from expanding this portion of the game. Avatar expansion is a graphically intensive problem that many games have already addressed. Core game rule set remains the same.

Planet placeholder - There are numerous planets in Eve. The only problem is that you cannot land on them. Again, there is nothing to prevent the developers from expanding this portion of the game. The game engine will certainly support planet exploration.

Ship cockpit implementation - No disruption in core game engine at all. Graphically intensive problem that impacts the user interface.

I think with games as large as MMORPGs, some developers are laying out pieces of the game first to get some revenue coming in the door and then expanding the game capability. Eve definitely falls into that category. There is no question that planets are future canidates for exploration. Back in the 80's, single player Starflight allowed the user to explore planets. Eve is certainly set up to support that future capability. Likewise, expansion of the character avatar can readily be accomplished in Eve. Most players will want to move around the inside of their ship, walk into a space station, or land on a planet.

Eve is doing well. The player base is expanding and with that expansion comes revenue. When revenue increases, so does the possibility for additional game features.

GrandMoren · September 2004

Well Sky and Beyond has space travel and huge space battle. But its not using spaceships.
Its more... Space boats.
Also by what you said i dont think youd like it because you actually DO have to work your way up to being able to buy and use a ship, and you have to "learn" how to use the ship. The ships however ARE run by 5 people or more. Usually up to about 5-30 people run a ship depending on its size. You may also build cities on other planets where you can dock your ship after you have made the areas secure enough to build on. But you still might get attacked my mobs to your town if your not careful.

But thats off the point.

I currently havent seen any mmorpgs where you have ONLY space flight and have all those factors.
SAB will have all those factors, BUT you have to fight it out on ground for a while before you get up into the air. Unless your just traveling as a stow away with a clan.

Plus the game wont be out for a while. Were still deep in development.

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Lreguizr · September 2004

There is another twitch based space combat game you should check out:

http://www.vendetta-online.com

they currently have a beta signup for it.

I don't know when the stress testing will start.

heres a video of the PvP battle.
www.starfreeze.com/~firemage/videos/s13war-fromstation.avi

tomjscott · September 2004

Caeron 3000 is exactly what you are looking for.

www.caeron3000.com

Lreguizr · September 2004

I seen that game before.. I have little hopes for it as well. The twitch based space combat on that site is what got me interested.

Looking at this game on MMORPGs game listing hype-o-meter, its pretty low. I wonder how the game is progressing so far.

tomjscott · September 2004

The game was just added to the list very recently and hasn't had much hype yet. Have you hyped it yourself?

The game is progessing well and new screenshots will be up by October.

Enigma · September 2004

Originally posted by tomjscott

Caeron 3000 is exactly what you are looking for.

That website shouldnt really release pre alpha screeshots....they look very aweful

They should have waited until their engine had been improved some before making those public.

Originally posted by WizGamer
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tomjscott · September 2004

The purpose of those pre-alpha shots is to show where we've been and not to represent the current state of the game. Some people expressed a desire to see the old works. Newer content is coming soon and will show improvement over the older stuff.

Flying750 · September 2004

I trust in Tom's word. I am hyping this game as much as possible. The features and gameplay mechanics they are working to achieve with this title are exactly what alot of sci-fi fans with MMO's are looking for. I have wished for something like Caeron 3000 for a long time.

Tom is the man and he knows what he is talking about it.

Still working on that fan site to tom!!!

Enigma · September 2004

Originally posted by tomjscott
The purpose of those pre-alpha shots is to show where we've been and not to represent the current state of the game. Some people expressed a desire to see the old works. Newer content is coming soon and will show improvement over the older stuff.

very well

I'm looking forward to seeing how the game goes!

Originally posted by WizGamer
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tomjscott · September 2004

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Caeron 3000 is truly going to be a unique game with innovative features never before seen. Our graphics are still not where I'd like them to be, but improvements are being made and new screenshots will show them off very soon.

Unknown · September 2004

Originally posted by Dellyo
ok, I understand that the vast majority of space mmorpgs are point and click.

They have no choice. They want to appeal and draw in as big a market as possible. Having no point and click means too many players will complain about losses from lagdeath, or lag spikes.

And yes, Jumpgate was my previous mmorpg but I left because the developers at the game pissed me off to no end.

Be more specific. One cannot instigate changes if one just gives up. If you want a chance at someting being done, made better, and/or changed, you must engage in constructive criticism:

- Numerically list everything you think is wrong, and reasons why.

- Numerically list ideas you have to remedy what is wrong, or make things better.

- Do all of this without namecalling, cussing, spamming.

And I still refuse to play SWG even with the space combat expansion because its not a 100% fully space combat game. I'm really not in a mood to actually kill ewoks for weeks to finally get to go up in space.

You make it too obvious you have not only never played SWG, but never even visited their site, official forums, and attempted to read up on the game. No one has ever had to kill Ewoks for anything. And no one will ever have to kill Ewoks, or kill anything else, to get to space, to get a ship. If you want to stay only in space, then stay only in space - SWG has many choices on how to play. It is the only MMORPG that does NOT force players to kill, kill, in order to join the in game economy, or to have fun playing. There are many non-killing professions, missions, and things to do.

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protoroc · September 2004

if lucasarts put out x-wing vs tiefighter the mmo i would walk 10 miles to go buy it

Lreguizr · September 2004

"Having no point and click means too many players will complain about losses from lagdeath, or lag spikes."

Ok, so twitch based mmorpgs are pretty much a bad idea??

As for me, I avoid all those point and click mmorpgs because most of them are all based on a random number generator. Also noticed that most mmorpgs are rather point and click.

Point and click can be good for some people but not me.

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