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smitty0356
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SWG really screwed up bigtime, because they have some of the most loyal fans if they would have put out a good product! No other game on the web has so many mothballed players talking about potential and trials as this game!
I think they did you guys a severe dis-service with this game, but let's keep it in perspective. They are never going to remake this game into something more than it already is.... which is trash.
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The game is getting much better every update, so by you saying they are doing a sever dis-service is ridiculous.
It's a Star Wars mmo, let me say that again Star Wars mmo with less than 120k subscribers. Every gamer that happens to be a Star Wars fan and Star Wars fans in general have all been done a huge disservice.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
No it is not. The purpose was to increase subs...that did not happen. They ONLY market this game to former players and not new players. Ever wonder why that is?
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120k subs? I doubt there's more than 10k at this point.
It's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, one step back. Like a drunken somnambulist, the game staggers along into the future.
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It's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, one step back. Like a drunken somnambulist, the game staggers along into the future.
I don't know. I am quite pleased with everything I have seen so far in GU5. I love the fact that crafted weapons will again be superior to looted items, I love the fact that old weapon skins will finally be viable.
That sort of improvement is very good. What they need to do, though, is to lay off all the combat revamps... that is what leads to strong burnout among those who have stuck it out.
I may be the only one--- but I love the fact they made an EXAR quest... the geek in my loved seeing the old statues to him out on Yavin. The meatlumps--- meh. The concept of the Tusken attack is pretty cool.
So I would say they are okay for content. Getting much better at crafter issues. Totally clueless with how to rectify PVP/PVE conflict--- and totally absent on GCW issues.
So I would say GU5 is probably the best this particular group has done. If the appearance tab gets in I will be stoked.
It's not gettng better at all. If anything, the servers are getting more and more desolate. The only reason some servers are seeing an increase in population is because everyone is rolling new toons because their servers are dead.
This game MIGHT have 10,000 subscriptions, that is just pathetic for a Star Wars MMO.
Tecmo Bowl.
this game is falling apart like a chinese motorcycle.
Now a Korean motorcycle on the other hand. Then you would be talking! Reliability, great looks and good mpg in this day and age cannot be beat. Go get your HYOSUNG today !:)
the nge has under 5k players from what i have been told
the nge if it doesn't pick up will be shut down by the end of the year
the game is not getting better if it was going to get better $OE would have rolled all the servers back to the pre-cu.
untill they do $OE will lose and us vets will win as more and more mmos will have to go sandbox after what we have done to kill nge
No winners here. Sorry.
The business likes to clone what succeeds. Innovation = possible big profit or possible failure. Most companies appear unwilling to take the chance. Why make something great and new when the same old will net you a certain stable amount appears to be the business mantra... oh yeah that and "lets add topless players"
SWG might shutdown but that has been a repeated cry for a long time that has not happened.
I think it will take another SW MMO to actually kill SWG - especially while it is under the shield of station pass.
It's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, one step back. Like a drunken somnambulist, the game staggers along into the future.
I don't know. I am quite pleased with everything I have seen so far in GU5. I love the fact that crafted weapons will again be superior to looted items, I love the fact that old weapon skins will finally be viable.
That sort of improvement is very good. What they need to do, though, is to lay off all the combat revamps... that is what leads to strong burnout among those who have stuck it out.
I may be the only one--- but I love the fact they made an EXAR quest... the geek in my loved seeing the old statues to him out on Yavin. The meatlumps--- meh. The concept of the Tusken attack is pretty cool.
So I would say they are okay for content. Getting much better at crafter issues. Totally clueless with how to rectify PVP/PVE conflict--- and totally absent on GCW issues.
So I would say GU5 is probably the best this particular group has done. If the appearance tab gets in I will be stoked.
Oh I quite agree; but I'm not talking about GU 5.
I am talking about erasing everyone's past effort when they revamped the GCW, forcing traders and entertainers into combat right after they were promised that would not happen; massively increasing the difficulty in Chapter 6; effectively removing what was then solo content from many players, and replacing it with nothing; nerfing medic because of undiscovered problems with the heroic instances; nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE; still leaving many critical bugs unfixed, like NPCs shooting through walls and floors; broken instances on Mustafar and Kashyyyk; the recent Anniversary fiasco; and many more I'm not mentioning.
I'll be the first to praise the good things they have done; and they have. My point is they still are making the same kinds of mistakes right alongside of the good things. That is why the game is not growing, dispite their best efforts. That is why word-of-mouth doesn't get better. Each bad thing creates a new wave of angry vets. that cancels out any moves forward each time.
game update 5 is good though. Too bad it won't help, since they will surely do something bad right after it.
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It's barely getting better -- and in some ways it's getting worse. The DEVs continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over again.
It's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, one step back. Like a drunken somnambulist, the game staggers along into the future.
I don't know. I am quite pleased with everything I have seen so far in GU5. I love the fact that crafted weapons will again be superior to looted items, I love the fact that old weapon skins will finally be viable.
That sort of improvement is very good. What they need to do, though, is to lay off all the combat revamps... that is what leads to strong burnout among those who have stuck it out.
I may be the only one--- but I love the fact they made an EXAR quest... the geek in my loved seeing the old statues to him out on Yavin. The meatlumps--- meh. The concept of the Tusken attack is pretty cool.
So I would say they are okay for content. Getting much better at crafter issues. Totally clueless with how to rectify PVP/PVE conflict--- and totally absent on GCW issues.
So I would say GU5 is probably the best this particular group has done. If the appearance tab gets in I will be stoked.
Oh I quite agree; but I'm not talking about GU 5.
I am talking about erasing everyone's past effort when they revamped the GCW, forcing traders and entertainers into combat right after they were promised that would not happen; massively increasing the difficulty in Chapter 6; effectively removing what was then solo content from many players, and replacing it with nothing; nerfing medic because of undiscovered problems with the heroic instances; nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE; still leaving many critical bugs unfixed, like NPCs shooting through walls and floors; broken instances on Mustafar and Kashyyyk; the recent Anniversary fiasco; and many more I'm not mentioning.
I'll be the first to praise the good things they have done; and they have. My point is they still are making the same kinds of mistakes right alongside of the good things. That is why the game is not growing, dispite their best efforts. That is why word-of-mouth doesn't get better. Each bad thing creates a new wave of angry vets. that cancels out any moves forward each time.
game update 5 is good though. Too bad it won't help, since they will surely do something bad right after it.
I agree with about everything you say there. This particular group imho needs to stop fiddling with combat classes and focus on allowing players to make thier avatars more representative of how they see themselves in the SW Universe. I am with you, props are due when they are due.
I also agree with the screw ups you listed. On the SWG forums most of my posts are those of malcontent. Not because I just like to gripe (I do I guess) but because I want to see improvements that actually make the game more enjoyable. They need to be more realistic --- gearing content to 8 person groups is not really very realistic given current populations on so many servers.
Do not think I am letting the Devs get a pass. GU4 was terrible in so many ways, I have actually retired my BH toon until they fix what they broke. They lack vision. They do not really take the time to test PVP / PVE implications. They do not listen well to offered solutions.
Still GU5 is good - and I can usually find fault
It's one step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, one step back. Like a drunken somnambulist, the game staggers along into the future.
I don't know. I am quite pleased with everything I have seen so far in GU5. I love the fact that crafted weapons will again be superior to looted items, I love the fact that old weapon skins will finally be viable.
That sort of improvement is very good. What they need to do, though, is to lay off all the combat revamps... that is what leads to strong burnout among those who have stuck it out.
I may be the only one--- but I love the fact they made an EXAR quest... the geek in my loved seeing the old statues to him out on Yavin. The meatlumps--- meh. The concept of the Tusken attack is pretty cool.
So I would say they are okay for content. Getting much better at crafter issues. Totally clueless with how to rectify PVP/PVE conflict--- and totally absent on GCW issues.
So I would say GU5 is probably the best this particular group has done. If the appearance tab gets in I will be stoked.
Oh I quite agree; but I'm not talking about GU 5.
I am talking about erasing everyone's past effort when they revamped the GCW, forcing traders and entertainers into combat right after they were promised that would not happen; massively increasing the difficulty in Chapter 6; effectively removing what was then solo content from many players, and replacing it with nothing; nerfing medic because of undiscovered problems with the heroic instances; nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE; still leaving many critical bugs unfixed, like NPCs shooting through walls and floors; broken instances on Mustafar and Kashyyyk; the recent Anniversary fiasco; and many more I'm not mentioning.
I'll be the first to praise the good things they have done; and they have. My point is they still are making the same kinds of mistakes right alongside of the good things. That is why the game is not growing, dispite their best efforts. That is why word-of-mouth doesn't get better. Each bad thing creates a new wave of angry vets. that cancels out any moves forward each time.
game update 5 is good though. Too bad it won't help, since they will surely do something bad right after it.
I agree with about everything you say there. This particular group imho needs to stop fiddling with combat classes and focus on allowing players to make thier avatars more representative of how they see themselves in the SW Universe. I am with you, props are due when they are due.
I also agree with the screw ups you listed. On the SWG forums most of my posts are those of malcontent. Not because I just like to gripe (I do I guess) but because I want to see improvements that actually make the game more enjoyable. They need to be more realistic --- gearing content to 8 person groups is not really very realistic given current populations on so many servers.
Do not think I am letting the Devs get a pass. GU4 was terrible in so many ways, I have actually retired my BH toon until they fix what they broke. They lack vision. They do not really take the time to test PVP / PVE implications. They do not listen well to offered solutions.
Still GU5 is good - and I can usually find fault
I quite agree. GU5 IS good, but that won't undo the bad. That'sthe problem. In the past three years they have burned all trust so anything good is almost a waste of time now. They have failed their customers too many times. I have pretty much given up all hope.
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people still play swg ?
Yes, somehow people even still PAY to play SWG... It's a fascinating phenomenom... It really defies logic.
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120k subs? I doubt there's more than 10k at this point.
120k is a pittiful amount all on it's own, I said 120k because it's a figure the fanbois cannot argue against, it's the figure given by the last mmochart. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there are infact only 10k, 5k or whatever but for arguments sake it's better to toss out a figure they simply can't argue against. Also remember in the grand scheme of things we could say it has 500k subscribers and it'd be a huge failure still... it's fuckin STAR WARS for Christs' sake, STAR WARS lol
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Uh huh.
If someone told you the game shut down yesterday, you'd probably believe it.
I'm curious as to who your amazing sources are.
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nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE
OK, hold on.
1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two.
2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE
OK, hold on.
1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two.
2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time.
Jedi had quite a few builds that were viable .Off the top of my head I can name , Healer , Sabers , And which ever temp had the avoid death ability (can't remember the abilities name).
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Jedi that invested heavily in saber/defender skills were predominantly pvp'ers with the advantage of being able to tank anything in the game, however just because powers, enhancers and jedi spec'd heavily in healing (for the most part) sucked in pvp they were extremely useful in pve, it also made sure that there were avenues that players could take to suit their own playstyle, that's completely devoid in the current game. But that's the same for all classes not just jedi.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Your statement is true, but also very wrong. Sure the game is getting better than when the NGE was launched, but is it becoming a better game?
Think about this for one second. How low do expectations have to be for people to wait almost 3 years for their key features to be implemented and then talk about that as if it is something positive?
Although I did unlock my Jedi in pre-CU it wasn't until the CU that I began working on those skills, mainly because I simply didn't care for any combat profession post CU so I felt I might as well try Jedi.
What I found was an absolutely incredible skill based system for Jedi that gave me real and immersive options to how I wanted to set up my template. In many ways I began regretting that I didn't go Jedi pre-CU. Not because it was an alpha class but rather because it was simply fun.
I think people tend to look at Jedi as being the end game in pre-CU because of it's strength in PvP. But I also think that people forget that it was just plain fun. As much as I disliked seeing so many Jedi I couldn't really blame people for choosing that route as it really was a remarkable profession.
In the grand scheme of things, Star Wars isn't a big deal anymore. Its an aging, fading IP with 3 good movies under its belt, (albeit quite old) followed by 3 very mediocre movies. Many of the games based off the IP have been crap, and for the younger generation like my son Star Wars is something old people watch or care about.
There have been so many other decent IP's created since then that I'd rather be part of, and many classic IP's out there yet undiscovered. (like say, a Dune based MMO world)
SWG had its day, time to let it rest and move on to a new story.
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In the grand scheme of things, Star Wars isn't a big deal anymore. Its an aging, fading IP with 3 good movies under its belt, (albeit quite old) followed by 3 very mediocre movies. Many of the games based off the IP have been crap, and for the younger generation like my son Star Wars is something old people watch or care about.
There have been so many other decent IP's created since then that I'd rather be part of, and many classic IP's out there yet undiscovered. (like say, a Dune based MMO world)
SWG had its day, time to let it rest and move on to a new story.
3 Star Wars movies are in the top 10 movies of all time based on US box office takings. 2 of which are The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith, placed at 5th and 8th respectively (ya know, 2 of the 3 mediocre movies). Add in merchandise sales, DVD sales, games sales and book sales and you'd do well to come up with any IP that's as valuable as Star Wars. For any Star Wars product to do badly it has to be extremely, and I mean extremely shit, which of course is the category that SWG falls into.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.