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Increadible. Billionaire offers to pay for a good chunk of cleaner fuel....
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And no one pays him any mind as seen here in this CNN editorial:
I want to thank everyone for the hundreds of smart comments on T.Boone Pickens and his wind/natural gas energy plan.
By contrast, the Pickens plan generated precious little feedback from policymakers and others you’d expect would have a direct stake in this. Not a peep from the White House, nor the candidates, nor Congressional leadership. Virtually nothing from the business community, or from environmental groups.
So let’s keep our part of the bargain, and continue this great discussion. Today, President Bush is addressing another part of the Energy Hunt, by lifting a partly-symbolic Executive Order banning drilling off most of the U.S. coastline. Whaddya think? Is it long overdue? Or, as Pickens said, is it a problem we can’t drill our way out of?
Its amazing how not even the environmentalists aren't even helping. This billionaire from the oil company is offering to pay billions of his own money to create acres of wind power turbines to process more natural energy and to get us away from the oil pumps and to decrease our dependancy on oil but no one is willing to financially join forces with him.
McCain said nothing about it, Obama has said nothing about it, Bush has said nothing about it and environmentalists has said nothing about it. It's amazing; the U.S. has a true opportunity to turn the tide against oil dependency and people are just sitting on their thumbs and pretending it's not happening.
Call me crazy, but when an Oil Executive is willing to offer one third of his personal finances to help improve our environment then you want to go with it. When an Oil CEO of BP tells you we need to stop the oil dependency or we'll exhaust everything with no other alternative form of energy, then you should believe him. Usually the President of a popular oil company will not come out and say we need to stop our dependency on oil like this.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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We need to pour all of our resources into dark matter. A clean renewable and endless source of energy, dark matter could solve all our problems. Unfortunately, we haven't yet learned how to tap into it. But with enough research, we might be able to eventually. Dark matter is where it's at.
when we are dead, we can use it lol
There's no doubt it's a problem we can't drill our way out of. This is not a new idea, it's just a resurrected debate. HERE is a link to his site.
I think the three main reasons it doesn't get a lot of attention is:
1. There are no real wind/solar lobbyists in Washington.
2. Some people still don't believe in peak oil.
3. Pickens is an oil speculator. He's made hundreds of millions from driving up the price of oil.
i dont think #3 is valid at all.
the man has advertised on limbaughs program $$ and is obviously commited to doing this.
of course this is another way for him to make money. he is a capitalist. but perhaps he also believes what he says regarding foreign oil and americas future.
heres our chance to alleviate some of our dependence but noone is willing to take it seriously, why? perhaps your lobby answer is correct. maybe its the only answer to the why question.
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its his money,we need the oil now
Federal Judge Blocks Oil Drilling in Michigan Forest.
and the tree huggers are in the way.it cost millions to do impact statements and having to deal with the feds the states and the city and the county government agencies is a fucking night mare.and don't forget the army of lawyers and environmentalist.the red tape hurts us all.
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Good for the Federal Judge. I don't want drillers to come in and ruin the forest.
i saw on the history channel, that to make a golf ball sized piece of dark matter, would bankrupt every country in the world.......
@OP: Wind energy is NOT a dependable energy source. If anything solar power or Nuclear power is the way to go.
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i am curious, why is wind power less dependable than solar?
As I keep saying, the politicians do not want to resolve any problems. Their agenda is to keep the same old, same old, problems around to rile up their constituency to send money in to their re-election campaign. That and to shake some cash lose from the lobbyists to fatten their political lifestyle.
i am curious, why is wind power less dependable than solar?
because the only technology we have or develope with wind power is .... build bigger wind turbines ..... Solar on the other hand, isnt bigger then an airplane like a wind turbine and you can even buy panels for your roof and sell your excess power to the power company. And even with ridiculously huge windmills you dont get much power from it.
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is nuclear power better than wind or solar? more efficient i should ask...is it>?
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i am curious, why is wind power less dependable than solar?
because the only technology we have or develope with wind power is .... build bigger wind turbines ..... Solar on the other hand, isnt bigger then an airplane like a wind turbine and you can even buy panels for your roof and sell your excess power to the power company. And even with ridiculously huge windmills you dont get much power from it.
Do you know how many solar panels you need to run just a single story house? The conversion and battery system is extremely expensive, and you still need to have your electric company give you a backup. There are many different ways for solar power to benefit you, but you still have to pay costs to the electric company monthly ...... ..... and they don't always pay you for electricity that is put back into the grid.
I've even spoken to some Solar Power users in some places that say at times your electric bill can still come out pretty high.
We've decided to do a half-conversion on our house --- just for the water heater, the AC unit, and the pool, and we actually need to expand our shed in the back across our whole back fence and line the shed roof with solar panels to run those things effectively. We can't use our roof because of restrictions in our area.
i am curious, why is wind power less dependable than solar?
because the only technology we have or develope with wind power is .... build bigger wind turbines ..... Solar on the other hand, isnt bigger then an airplane like a wind turbine and you can even buy panels for your roof and sell your excess power to the power company. And even with ridiculously huge windmills you dont get much power from it.
i can kinda see your point, seems mainly about implimentation and scalability? do you have any comparable numbers?
sorry, i was trying to find some but the area of renewable energy is so full of misleading information along strange government kickback schemes that i find it hard to compare. here are two examples that i did find.
Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center is the world's largest wind farm at 735.5 megawatt (MW) capacity. It consists of 291 GE Energy 1.5 MW wind turbines and 130 Siemens 2.3 MW wind turbines spread over nearly 47,000 acres (190 km²) of land in Taylor and Nolan County, Texas.[1]
then for solar.
my view is more that why not use what we can where it is cost effective? Wind seems ideal for those places where there is constant moving air, the devices are simple mechanical turbines, very easy to maintain and manufacture. they can even go on farmland as you can still farm the land underneath them.
solar removes solar acess to a surface, so as you say, we could put them where we already have roofing or in the desert as described above. For localised implimentation it would seem that photovoltaics are the way to go. The big problem with photovotics is the energy cost to produce them, they need ultra pure silicon and cleen room conditions to manufacture. this is the same argument about the hybrid cars being more environmently unfriendly than an SUV, the batteries inside the hybrid have a higher cost to them than is recoverered in their lifetimes. So for modern photovoltaics, iirc, they cost more energy to make than can be returned in their lifetimes.
The video is quite interesting as he looks at available technologies to start on the task right away. Photovoltaics need more research and it seems that nuclear needs time as well. The other solar tecnologies still need large surface areas where you can no longer use the land for any other purpose.
Wind turbine farms can be scalled with reference to the environment they are placed, they are scalable by numbers as well and there seems to be a huge amount of windy places in middle america and it is a technology that is well developed. I might be missing something but it seems like a solution that is on our doorstep. Sure it may not be perfect but nothing is, and something can be done today.
It is ridiculous that were are not highly nuclear powered.
The US Navy has been running Nuclear reactors on Ships and Subs for years with no problems and yet we can't build more Nuclear power plants to power our country.
I just can't fathom why people won't let us move away from Oil to a more viable energy source. On one side you have the Lobbyist and their money but then on the other side you have (just as bad too) the environmentalists stifling any chance of non-oil based energy that isn't Wind/Solar.
Wind and Solar just aren't reliable enough to base your whole energy system on. We need clean coal and Nuclear power as the staple of our Energy system.
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I actually don't think either Wind farms or Solar Panels are a good source of alternate electricity. As mentioned, the cost and power required to make a Solar Panel makes it not worth the effort. Wind farms can only be placed in certain regions, and they have to be monster sized. The alternate energy source that now seems to be making ground is "Anaconda". It uses the currents in the ocean to create electricity. Its also a relatively simple design that is a 40m long sock and just 1 can power 10k homes.
i am curious, why is wind power less dependable than solar?
Wind + Solar is very dependable.
Generally, there is increased wind when the sun isn't shining.
It's definitely time we started to utilize more nuclear technology as well.
i saw on the history channel, that to make a golf ball sized piece of dark matter, would bankrupt every country in the world.......
No big deal, the government can just raise taxes to make up the difference. If there's one thing government knows how to do, it's raise your taxes. Plus, once we learn how to mass produce dark matter, prices will come down significantly.
yes it is ...
i can kinda see your point, seems mainly about implimentation and scalability? do you have any comparable numbers?
sorry, i was trying to find some but the area of renewable energy is so full of misleading information along strange government kickback schemes that i find it hard to compare. here are two examples that i did find.
Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center is the world's largest wind farm at 735.5 megawatt (MW) capacity. It consists of 291 GE Energy 1.5 MW wind turbines and 130 Siemens 2.3 MW wind turbines spread over nearly 47,000 acres (190 km²) of land in Taylor and Nolan County, Texas.[1]
then for solar.
my view is more that why not use what we can where it is cost effective? Wind seems ideal for those places where there is constant moving air, the devices are simple mechanical turbines, very easy to maintain and manufacture. they can even go on farmland as you can still farm the land underneath them.
solar removes solar acess to a surface, so as you say, we could put them where we already have roofing or in the desert as described above. For localised implimentation it would seem that photovoltaics are the way to go. The big problem with photovotics is the energy cost to produce them, they need ultra pure silicon and cleen room conditions to manufacture. this is the same argument about the hybrid cars being more environmently unfriendly than an SUV, the batteries inside the hybrid have a higher cost to them than is recoverered in their lifetimes. So for modern photovoltaics, iirc, they cost more energy to make than can be returned in their lifetimes.
The video is quite interesting as he looks at available technologies to start on the task right away. Photovoltaics need more research and it seems that nuclear needs time as well. The other solar tecnologies still need large surface areas where you can no longer use the land for any other purpose.
Wind turbine farms can be scalled with reference to the environment they are placed, they are scalable by numbers as well and there seems to be a huge amount of windy places in middle america and it is a technology that is well developed. I might be missing something but it seems like a solution that is on our doorstep. Sure it may not be perfect but nothing is, and something can be done today.
wind turbines dont produce enough energy for as much space they take up. 1.5MW and 2.3 MW wind turbines are HUGE and yet they barely produce any power compared to .... oh say a nuclear power plant.
and on the note about nuclear power, compared to the information Nurgles gave me. San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) Produces 2,200 MW of power. that is more then both the 2,000 acre solar power plan in the desert, and the 47,000 acre wind farm combined. Nuclear > Solar > Wind
Do you know how many solar panels you need to run just a single story house? The conversion and battery system is extremely expensive, and you still need to have your electric company give you a backup. There are many different ways for solar power to benefit you, but you still have to pay costs to the electric company monthly ...... ..... and they don't always pay you for electricity that is put back into the grid.
I've even spoken to some Solar Power users in some places that say at times your electric bill can still come out pretty high.
We've decided to do a half-conversion on our house --- just for the water heater, the AC unit, and the pool, and we actually need to expand our shed in the back across our whole back fence and line the shed roof with solar panels to run those things effectively. We can't use our roof because of restrictions in our area.
lol i dunno about those people you talked to, because i agree it is expensive, but in no way do you need that many panels to run a single story house. Even now they have a tinfoil like material that can go on your roof and all you see is just a metallic like paint on your roof, although again it is very expensive. Wind power is not a good substitute, and solar is the only best substitute i can think of besides nuclear energy(most efficient).
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