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I AM an EQ2 Fanboy..BUT....
Laneo
Member Posts: 359
I also was able to Stress test WoW and got a Night Elf Druid to level 20. I must say that my expectations and outlook of WoW were proven wrong and indeed it is an Awesome game for the time I had to test it.
My score on the Hype changed from a 1 to a 9 just for the fact that the graphics ARE cartooney (And all of you know it) but THAT doesn't make the game. It has great content and the Quest and Crafting system are beyond belief. I wont go into details and spoil it for anyone, but will only say that WoW made a believer out of me.
HOWEVER...I am still looking forward to EQ2 more than anything else. Until I get a chance to play it like I did WoW..I will not judge it. The advantage thou I see are in the graphics area which are in no way final as per screenshots. Gameplay is a determining factor in all aspects of an MMORPG.
Blizzard is doing well with its first MMO and kudos for the outcome so far. EQ2 will have competition here with WoW and as a EQ2 fan I can honestly say my life might change keeping busy with not one but TWO MMORPGS coming out soon 
With that said, I hope I enlightened some people of the outlook and expectations for both games. A Flame war (And I did post quite a bit..BEFORE I got to play WoW) is only a form of denial from a feeling of unsecurity and deprivation of a Habit one has of not wanting to try different things with a mindset of standard locked in feelings. Did I say that right?
So...If it hasn't been said before then I will start by saying: "EQ2 is not > WoW", "WoW is not > EQ2".
I cannot even say they are equal due that I havn't played EQ2 yet. They are BOTH Neutral in my eyes until either proves me wrong..UPON release!
NOW..The REAL Problem here, which will NOT be a Flame War but...The Real Life issues we all will have once these two MMO's are released!!! Think about that:)
/takes picture of Wife for reference during play.
Cheers:)
*Played WoW Stress test and it's a Great Game, but awaiting EQ2 also to be able to test it and not judge it until then*
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Not saying EQ2 will be a bad game or a good game or what ever.... Its just I dont trust SOE to make a good game anymore.... They make nothing but crap in my eyes and saying that EQ2 will be different or whatever is complete bull.... but anyways back to the topic....
Yeah WoW is a great game as for EQ2 I cant say how it is but judging from the videos ive seen and seeing the char customization first hand with the pre order kit ... so far im totally NOT impressed with EQ2. I know its in beta and I have yet to play it but I doubt playing it would change my opinion of the game.....but who knows right? You were "Wowed" when you played WoW so who knows I might be "EQ2ed" with EQ2 rofl
Spot on mate!
Exact same thing happened to me laneo, though i had originally given WoW a 7 and now a 10.
cmon man. its SWG for gods sake... we all know it sucks, but they have some pretty good games. EQ ruled, and i had a lot of fun in PlanetSide.
WoW is amazing and to the firs poster... i dont think the graphics are cartoony. They are just more colorful. Now if they were cell shaded, i would understand... and for those who say its like watching disney... if that is true in anyway than Disney has some pretty bad ass looking characters... the wolves look mean and they are just so cool looking.
But yeah the game is awsome and this is coming from an EQ fan... if WoW comes out before EQ2 i will at least have somthing to do to pass the time untill EQ2 is released.
Playing: Vanguard SoH
Played: EQ, Planetside, SWG, WoW, EQ2
I'm gonna have to agree with numatic and Vakktn on this one. If EQ2 were being made by any other company other than SOE, I'd probably have hopes for it and be willing to try it out.
But the fact that SOE has ruined every game they've ever made/accquired, there's no way I'm gonna touch one of their products again.
EDIT:Corrected a spelling mistake
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I, too had my initial skepticism proven wrong by WoW. Playing that game was the smoothest MMO experience I've ever had, and that was during a stress test!
As for Disney games, I'll never ever bash one again until I see it in action (unless it's a direct movie copy). Kingdom Hearts (PS2), while cartoonish in its own right, came through with a Final Fantasy style plot that we've come to expect from Square.
And yet again it turns into another SOE sucks and blizzard is better thread...
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The graphics is the main reason I wanted to play WoW. Then I read about the quest system and like that even more. I have nothing against Sony. I really like Sony, EQ, and Planetside. I haven't played SWG and won't. I don't want to have anything to do with LucasArts. Ppl can say whatever they want but LucasArts makes the decision about anything Star Wars. Read about any game and see how they have to be given approval for what they want before it can be added. LucasArts has vetoed what a company has wanted to do more than once.
WoW showed me that it is the game I will definitely be the game I will be playing. I had an awesome time and EQ ppl I hope that your EQII is great. I just know that I prefer WoW graphics and I like the gameplay.
Having had the chance to try both, they're both good games. I wouldn't put one over the other, as each excels in different areas. Until you play EQ2, whether you're a fanboi, or bashing the game, all you are doing is talking out of your ass, based on a couple screen shots, and a gameplay video clip. Neither of which adequately show either game to the fullest.
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The thing is...SOE should learn from the past..should listen to the customer's and what we post on the boards.
They may have reconciled and learned what we like and dislike...crap, they had 5 years lol.
I honestly think EQ2 will deliver given the fact of the past experiences they had with us as well as we with them. They know what we want and not.
Lets just hope EQ2 shows what 5 years of tweaking, flaming, whining, testing, playing, ect ect can do or suggest.
Blizzard is at it's first attempt at an MMORPG and it looks polished! As a EQ2 Fan I can say; "SOE..Get off your donuts and $150,000 cars and start reading these message boards from 1999 till present" because I played WoW and it HAS a great potential to mosy on up there to the top of the charts!
Customer Service was the biggest issue i agree in some aspect so lets just hope they satisfy the EQ2 community or they may end up with Fans switching sides! But like I said before..i will judge it when its my turn and go from there...Until then..I want WoW OB to start LOL
*Played WoW Stress test and it's a Great Game, but awaiting EQ2 also to be able to test it and not judge it until then*
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ummm..a 5 just because you can? or to raise your post count here?........
...Still didnt get hint?;)
Define your justification of the score you gave please.
*Played WoW Stress test and it's a Great Game, but awaiting EQ2 also to be able to test it and not judge it until then*
Nobody is perfect...My name is Nobody
I hate the fact that you guys hate all SOE games just because SWG sucked... It just seems wrong to me. Some of you guys that said all SOE games suck probably only played one of thier games... I have played EQ for 3 years now and keep going back after playing all these new games that seem to get old a little too fast (CoH). EverQuest was a great game and some say that SOE ruined it with all the expansions... well if they didnt have any expansions people would instead be complaining that there isnt enough content. EQ is the only game i see that continues to grow even when its remake is being released. Not only that, PlanetSide is made by SOE and that game is really fun as well... its just like CoH, fun for a while but too repeatative. I admit SWG sucks and customer service sucks but the GMs in EQ rock, same with PS. They are very helpfull when problems arise and i have seen many fixes to common problems (especially recently). So if you actually played a bulk of SOE games dont judge.... We all know SWG sucks...
I MEAN!! THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MADE LINEAGE ][ MADE CoH!! Why is CoH good?
SOE is good... give em a chance!
Playing: Vanguard SoH
Played: EQ, Planetside, SWG, WoW, EQ2
It's not just SWG. I also played PS and EQ. I Very much disliked(think hate is to strong) EQ. I know GFX dont make a game but I just couldnt get used to them. Not to mention the game is so huge that the learning curve is about a month. Maybe 1-2 weeks for the basics. And I only bought the classic+ 3 expansions. PS was fun. For less then a month. After that it just got boring. After BR 20 CR 5 theres no goals whatsoever to taking over bases. It's the same repeated tasks over and over.
Not exactly 3 games on the top of my list.
Here's how I see it...
SOE marketing strategy:
1. Spend a fortune on advertising. People are drawn in by expensive ad campaigns. They get muddled and think it means the game must be good.
2. Spend as little as possible on customer support and game development. Once the customer has made their initial $50 outlay, half the job is already done.
3. If a game you're developing is starting to look severely flawed...... release it anyway. People will buy it, hate it, and convince themselves you'll "learn from your mistakes" next time. How can you fail?
4. Get the customer hooked on your game by any means necessary. If the game becomes an unenjoyable addiction, who cares! As long as the suckers keep up with their payments.
5. Repeat.
Blizzard marketing strategy:
1. Take years to develop an almost mythical reputation for producing high quality, polished, balanced and entertaining games.
2. Spend a modest amount on advertising... Your reputation will do most of the work for you.
3. If a game you're developing is starting to look like it doesn't meet the benchmark you've set yourself, cancel it (Warcraft Adventures). Your reputation is too valuable to screw over for an easy buck.
4. Get the customer hooked on your game by making it fun.
5. Repeat.
That is the attitude i hate... can u be that stupid to even think this up? Do you really think blizzard makes games because they have a passion for it? I have never seen SOE use any of those marketing tactics, and ive been playing SOE games for 3 years. Well now i could care less what you guys think... i mean i bet this kid here has never played an MMO in his life... moving up from WC3 or D2 i guess.
EQ was a great game... if it was bad this kid would probably not even know what it is...
And for anyone who sees this as bashing WoW... WoW is an awsome game... but you people are blind!
Playing: Vanguard SoH
Played: EQ, Planetside, SWG, WoW, EQ2
I have also played on the stress beta, i had a lvl 21 pali. and even though they had not put in the talents for them. I was amazed at the gameplay that was already there. The crafting system is far better than i have sen in some of the other MMORPGs that i have play. and even now i ado like the changes that they are making, now you no longer have to use skill points to gain lvl's in your tradeskill profession. but as far as EQ2 goes i am concerned as to what it will be like looking at the job that SOE did with SWG. and the slowness that was taken in the fixes that needed to be done to it. including some of the major exploits that are still in the game even after looking at there message boards and seeing that some of the exploits have been there for quite a while. now i played EQ a few months after it first came out (then i joined the military) so i can't say how fast the exploits were handled it that.
but after playing SWG and seeing some of the things that happen in that. i am kinda worried what will happen in EQ2. so as of now until or if there ever is an open beta for EQ2 i am sticking to WOW when it comes out.
Also one other thing that strikes me as funny about EQ2, in some of the movies and stuff that i have read they say that no one will be able to run the game at it's max GFX settings. now what is up with that
why would you want to make a game that the player can't get the full GFX experience out of. that just seems stupid to me. i know that i don't have a monster system.
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Have you not read the Bible?
Oh, yeah, yeah... Not all of it. Actually, I'm listening to it on tape.
Don't tell me how it ends.
Well that hit a nerve. Sorry my opinions cause you to throw condescending insults and unfounded assumptions.
[quote]Originally posted by numatic
[b]After SWG I refused to touch another SoE game again.
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i agree with ya on that one and wow is gonna be a great game after playing the stress test it clearly show's blizzard is 10 times better on thier first mmo then soe was on swg with all the xp they have.
Even with all the "experience" a company could have producing good games, sometimes companies will try their hand at genres or categories they have no business going into. The Star Wars realm has pretty much been dominated by LucasArts, and SoE may have made a mistake with SWG (I say "may" b/c I've never played it, and instead read the plethora of negative comments across several boards)
However, this does not change the fact that EQ was an amazing game for its time. On the same token, I would expect EQ2 to be as amazing or even more. The fact that SWG may be a flop has no bearing on how I predict EQ2 to be. They are different games in different genres.
Another case to illustrate my point. The vast majority of gamers agree that Square-Enix's Final Fantasy and their other role-playing series are terrific games. However, after playing Drakengard (a hack-and-slash), I find it to be rather mediocre. Does this mean I won't ever play the next Final Fantasy release? You better shoot me if I don't!
Any software company has its successes and failures. The true measure of a company is to see if they LEARN from their mistakes, or repeat them. If EQ2 is mediocre, I may think twice about another SoE title, but I will never say "every SoE game sucks", because EQ remains one of the greatest gaming experiences in my lifetime.