Originally posted by kobie173 Originally posted by Fishermage
nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE OK, hold on. 1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two. 2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time. It was a nerf and a loss of diversity. Pre-NJE, one could be a light, dark, or grey jedi (and varying levels of each in between). It doesn't matter what "most" people did; those three were viable options, and there was no artificially imposed negatives to making those choices. Now, light jedi are tanks, dark Jedi are offensive. That's three down to two (it was more than three but my point is made).
Less choice and less dievrsity all around.
Only those who WANTED to be either a PVE tank OR a PVP damage dealer might not consider it a nerf. Those who wanted something more interesting than cookie cutter WoW style warriors know it's a nerf.
It's like saying that things were less diverse pre-NGE because everyone had the same defense stacking template, and now their are nine viable options. It's simply not true on several levels.
Anyway, nice to see you still can't argue a point, and need to call the people who disagree with you crazy.
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by kobie173 Originally posted by Fishermage
nerfing and removing diversity from Jedi with the NJE OK, hold on. 1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two. 2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time. Jedi had quite a few builds that were viable .Off the top of my head I can name , Healer , Sabers , And which ever temp had the avoid death ability (can't remember the abilities name).
He's talking about pre-NJE (new jedi enhancements -- something jedi on the forums were calling the last Jedi update, which i adpoted because it was quite appropriate), not the NGE, which was when they destroyed the whole game.
Ehh, I'm not one to hold grudges, especially in an online videogame. I do think that SOE is moving in the right direction with voice chat and things like that, but with the tiny dev team that they have now, it's almost impossible to make this game live up to the potential that it once had.
Originally posted by swgtester1 the nge has under 5k players from what i have been told the nge if it doesn't pick up will be shut down by the end of the year the game is not getting better if it was going to get better $OE would have rolled all the servers back to the pre-cu. untill they do $OE will lose and us vets will win as more and more mmos will have to go sandbox after what we have done to kill nge
I doubt SWG will close anytime soon, PlanetSide and Matrix Online should have already been shut down- I don't think PlanetSide even has 500 people playing it these days, when it once had 50K.
As for the comment that SWG is getting better, maybe better than 3 months ago, but not better than 3 years ago.
Im going to tell you all a little story that happened yesterday on Gorath...
It all actually started a few days ago when a friends skiff was disabled on mustafar and we realized that all our skiffs was broken. SO, yesterday we equiped his POB ship with mining lasers and went up in space. spent about half an hour there and got enough resources to make 3 veichle restoration kits. After landing at nyms we took the shuttle to Lost city where we all live.
Trading with Buobba the Engineer went smooth and he started the delicate task to handcraft three veichle restoration kits. After a few minutes the crafting tools where spitting out kits and soon we had three skiffs in a shape of almost brand new And then we went and did the tusken invasion wich is a totaly different story.
So... Where is the sandbox ppl scream? Its still there i say.
Where is the interaction with the comunity? Its all there.
I want my old AA to work! Well tough luck, they wont. but you could always RE some junkloot and make new ones. Just remember that you need that good luck suit if you want those nice +35 powerbits
Where is the end content? End content is what you spend time doing when you are lvl 90. There are no rule saying that end content have to be about beating things up wich in the end tends to get boring.
I agree things went totaly wrong with NGE but now, with a nev dev team. things are fun again. the combat system is actually working and it is "fast phased" for quoting someone whos name i wont mention. One reason there are so few players left is that they get scared away by all the whiners on forums like this. I bet 90% of those whiners havent even tried it.
And for those who wonders. i have around 1700 days logged for swg, i have played AoC, PotBS, WoW, EQ2.
/Adai Kaebanei Proud member of Lost Lost city of Lok Gorath
As a current player of swg....and vet... (yes i am on the free trial this month)
player city I used to live in could pull 2 full groups to go out just having fun....i know u can't pull 2 full groups from anywhere now.
used to have really cool proffs like master image designers, and master pikeman...stuff that simply was unique...now u got 9 choices... i think tha'ts about how many choices one has in wow, no?
game used to be so original in thought and design...now it's a cheap wow knockoff trying to pretend to be something original.
It used to be the greatest story ever told...OURS......now it's someone else's idea of what we should be. oh that sells well, no?
As for the comment that SWG is getting better, maybe better than 3 months ago, but not better than 3 years ago.
The state of the game doesn't really matter when the population is shrinking every day.
You state this like it's a fact, in truth you have no facts, only your hate for what "they did to you Nov 15th 2005".
I could sign up for the free trial every single day and log in to see less people than I did the day before. I don't need numbers from SOE if I can see the proof for myself.
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OK, hold on.
1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two.
2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time.
It was a nerf and a loss of diversity. Pre-NJE, one could be a light, dark, or grey jedi (and varying levels of each in between). It doesn't matter what "most" people did; those three were viable options, and there was no artificially imposed negatives to making those choices. Now, light jedi are tanks, dark Jedi are offensive. That's three down to two (it was more than three but my point is made).
Less choice and less dievrsity all around.
Only those who WANTED to be either a PVE tank OR a PVP damage dealer might not consider it a nerf. Those who wanted something more interesting than cookie cutter WoW style warriors know it's a nerf.
It's like saying that things were less diverse pre-NGE because everyone had the same defense stacking template, and now their are nine viable options. It's simply not true on several levels.
Anyway, nice to see you still can't argue a point, and need to call the people who disagree with you crazy.
fishermage.blogspot.com
OK, hold on.
1. There was no diversity in Jedi pre-"NJE". Most Jedi had the same or similar templates. Is there diversity now? Not really, instead of 1 1/2 temps, now there's two.
2. Anyone who think the "NJE" was a nerf is crazy. Jedi are better now than they've been in a LONG time.
Jedi had quite a few builds that were viable .Off the top of my head I can name , Healer , Sabers , And which ever temp had the avoid death ability (can't remember the abilities name).
He's talking about pre-NJE (new jedi enhancements -- something jedi on the forums were calling the last Jedi update, which i adpoted because it was quite appropriate), not the NGE, which was when they destroyed the whole game.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Ehh, I'm not one to hold grudges, especially in an online videogame. I do think that SOE is moving in the right direction with voice chat and things like that, but with the tiny dev team that they have now, it's almost impossible to make this game live up to the potential that it once had.
As for the comment that SWG is getting better, maybe better than 3 months ago, but not better than 3 years ago.
The state of the game doesn't really matter when the population is shrinking every day.
Im going to tell you all a little story that happened yesterday on Gorath...
It all actually started a few days ago when a friends skiff was disabled on mustafar and we realized that all our skiffs was broken. SO, yesterday we equiped his POB ship with mining lasers and went up in space. spent about half an hour there and got enough resources to make 3 veichle restoration kits. After landing at nyms we took the shuttle to Lost city where we all live.
Trading with Buobba the Engineer went smooth and he started the delicate task to handcraft three veichle restoration kits. After a few minutes the crafting tools where spitting out kits and soon we had three skiffs in a shape of almost brand new
And then we went and did the tusken invasion wich is a totaly different story.
So... Where is the sandbox ppl scream? Its still there i say.
Where is the interaction with the comunity? Its all there.
I want my old AA to work! Well tough luck, they wont. but you could always RE some junkloot and make new ones. Just remember that you need that good luck suit if you want those nice +35 powerbits
Where is the end content? End content is what you spend time doing when you are lvl 90. There are no rule saying that end content have to be about beating things up wich in the end tends to get boring.
I agree things went totaly wrong with NGE but now, with a nev dev team. things are fun again. the combat system is actually working and it is "fast phased" for quoting someone whos name i wont mention. One reason there are so few players left is that they get scared away by all the whiners on forums like this. I bet 90% of those whiners havent even tried it.
And for those who wonders. i have around 1700 days logged for swg, i have played AoC, PotBS, WoW, EQ2.
/Adai Kaebanei
Proud member of Lost
Lost city of Lok
Gorath
The state of the game doesn't really matter when the population is shrinking every day.
You state this like it's a fact, in truth you have no facts, only your hate for what "they did to you Nov 15th 2005".
As a current player of swg....and vet... (yes i am on the free trial this month)
player city I used to live in could pull 2 full groups to go out just having fun....i know u can't pull 2 full groups from anywhere now.
used to have really cool proffs like master image designers, and master pikeman...stuff that simply was unique...now u got 9 choices... i think tha'ts about how many choices one has in wow, no?
game used to be so original in thought and design...now it's a cheap wow knockoff trying to pretend to be something original.
It used to be the greatest story ever told...OURS......now it's someone else's idea of what we should be. oh that sells well, no?
Faxx(er) Bria
The state of the game doesn't really matter when the population is shrinking every day.
You state this like it's a fact, in truth you have no facts, only your hate for what "they did to you Nov 15th 2005".
I could sign up for the free trial every single day and log in to see less people than I did the day before. I don't need numbers from SOE if I can see the proof for myself.