Wow... I read through this most of this thread, and I must say, I never knew they did this much. I only knew briefly that they scammed money and used an illegal device..but now I know. I never knew that Pix got sued, or that Farlan tried this many excuces.
Well, now I know. Good luck Pix
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Wow... I read through this most of this thread, and I must say, I never knew they did this much. I only knew briefly that they scammed money and used an illegal device..but now I know. I never knew that Pix got sued, or that Farlan tried this many excuces. Well, now I know. Good luck Pix
Aye, it's nice when the whole truth comes out isnt it?
This is what DNL and their "fans" tried to discredit and prevent.
This is why we want people to know the whole truth. Hopefully Farlans shameful actions will prevent other sleazy devs from trying to pull this crap. MMO players dont need companies like Farlan.
You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest.
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that they did indeed steal the terrain engine.
They've made a game and sold it to players. We all know that D&L isn't too successfull, but independently of whether they made a profit or not, they earned money. From stolen property.
Don't you think that Pix was entitled to a part of this money ? You think it is normal that he got 0 euros from his years of work, while you're defending the people who stole him by saying that "bah, they did not sell well anyway, it doesn't matter anymore" ?
You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest.
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that they did indeed steal the terrain engine.
They've made a game and sold it to players. We all know that D&L isn't too successfull, but independently of whether they made a profit or not, they earned money. From stolen property.
Don't you think that Pix was entitled to a part of this money ? You think it is normal that he got 0 euros from his years of work, while you're defending the people who stole him by saying that "bah, they did not sell well anyway, it doesn't matter anymore" ?
Nyast, it's useless to attempt logically thinking, common sense or simply using facts with the mentality of some of these posters. Just like Farceland/NPFleece themselves, they consider the actions of the sleazy company Farceland/NPFleece to be simply of no harm to anyone except themselves because their slimy manipulations didnt work.
As of 06/03/08 -- the game is still experiencing the same problems it had well before release of the "SOG that is not DNL that really was DNL all along". Easily validated by posts on their own forums (of which they even tried to hide that from the general public due to the abysmal state of the game. They wanted people to sign on but didnt want them to know just how sloppy and unplayable this game really is. )
They have blamed _Pix_ and now have even attempted to place blame on Snailgames for their troubles. It's everybody else BUT Farceland according to them. (see the press release wherein Farceland attempts to bring Snailgames into the copyright infringement fiasco they created in a court of law.)
The saddest and most hilarious at the same time is that they STILLattempt to throw off this mess they themselves created and continue to make fools of themselves in the mmo industry.
I would just note that in the website of VWORLD, Pix is using the DarkAndLight to publicize his engine: there are screens of the game, written description, and so on. At the same time, Pix issues a lawsuit against Farlan for having stolen the engine and damaged his reputation (!!!). In other words, Farlan is an enemy when it comes to licensing his engine, but it's a good friend when it comes to exhalt the possibilities of his engine. Anything that makes money, of course, is welcome, even your worst enemy that stole your work and blamed your reputation. A coherent behavior indeed...
Sorry for necro-ing this one, but I haven't been on for a while, and I almost asphyxiated on my pizza when I read this.
It appears that _Pix_ has Farlan/NP3 all wrong...he should be grateful to them for all the free advertising that they've given his terrain tech!
Nice flip there, buddy...I'd bet even Bill Clinton would be impressed with that one.
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A double necro, i simply needed to reply here aswell.
To this Dwerk- guy:
Yes, i hope that Farlan loses. I am saying that from a player's perspective, and from a consumer's perspective.
- In good faith i bought a product from Farlan/NPC, which they never delivered.
- In order to not get billed, i needed to *not* activate my account according to Farlan. However, they contradicted themselves by billing me 6 months later, and telling me that i had to activate the account to *not* get billed.
These are the reasons why people want Farlan to lose. We are consumers, and we got scammed. By proxy, Pix is getting our money back.
May 2, 2008- [VWORLD - Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand]
On March 13th, 2008 NPCube was dismissed of all its claims in the case it brought against VWORLD before the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand on the grounds of unfair competition and damage to its reputation. NPCube has been convicted and fined 50, 000 Euros damages to VWORLD.
However on May 2, 2008 NPCube initiates a procedure to appeal against the judgment before the Court of Appeal of Riom.
Pourrieux decided to leave without asking for anything, when release was still uncertain due to technical issues, and now that we have worked on his "mock-up" to turn it into an actual game, he's tried to squeeze money out of us
This site is slander, pure and simple. Farlan has already taken all necessary steps to make sure the law will be enforced and the third party sites which relay these slanderous allegations erase the messages in question. By the way, why choose the Web rather than Court to assert one's rights? Farlan will take the initiative to seize the Court for that subject matter.
No such Court action has been brought agaisnt Mr Pourieux to date, that is, two years and a half after it was publicly announced, and this news was relayed and translated in various languages on many Internet websites.
May 5, 2008- [University or Reunion Island]
Mr Vincent Pourieux writes an open letter to the President of the University of Reunion Island, Mr Serge Svizzero, demanding an explanation on the E-Campus project and the European public funds (ERDF) granted to its development. The E-Campus project is based on a partnership between the University of Reunion Island and the Reunionese company NPCube : this project takes advantage of the technical features of VWorldTerrain technology, without giving credit to its inventor and without being governed by licencing agreements with VWORLD.
Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply to this open letter yet.
June 2, 2008- [NPCube / Mr Cesar Jacquet]
Mr Vincent Pourieux writes an open letter to Mr Cesar Jacquet, manager of NPCube, offering to meet him in China within the framework of the development of the Asian version of the Dark and Light MMORPG, conducted in partnership between Reunionese company NPCube, Mauritian company Farlan and Chinese company SnailGame. Mr Cesar Jacquet has recently taken all measures to lay off NPCube's entire personnel and currently is on extensive travel in China.
Mr Cesar Jacquet, manager of Reunionese company NPCube, has not given any reply to this open letter yet.
1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 )
2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already
3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 ) 2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already 3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 ) 2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already 3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Interesting news _Pix_, if I read correctly, they're just not responding to the issue... This just makes it more of a chance for Pix to win.
/popcorn
Anyone else want some?
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1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 ) 2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already 3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Or, maybe not. Since it's no secret that China is the world capital for pirated wares (and knockoff Gucci bags), _Pix's_ attorney may have an even-bigger war to fight. VWORLD tech could very well end up "in the wild" over there. THAT fight could take years. Mr. Jacquet may just as well stay in China now, since they don't extradite (well, not to the U.S., at least).
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1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 ) 2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already 3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Or, maybe not. Since it's no secret that China is the world capital for pirated wares (and knockoff Gucci bags), _Pix's_ attorney may have an even-bigger war to fight. VWORLD tech could very well end up "in the wild" over there. THAT fight could take years. Mr. Jacquet may just as well stay in China now, since they don't extradite (well, not to the U.S., at least).
Ah, but thanks to the EU government public funds and the Reunion Island University funding NPcube/Farlan puts them in the crossfire. _Pix_ attorneys can go after them to some extent ( as they should have had more than enough manpower/resources to check all of this out in the beginning instead of trying to blindly back Farlan because they didn't want to admit they may have made a boo-boo ), and let the government/university deal with getting the money they lose to _Pix_ back from Farlan in China.
Well, the surprising and rather contradictory news to me is that they've just fired the rest of their personnel on the grounds of economic reasons but they do appeal agaisnt the 13th of March judgment condemning them. BTW they' ve already obtained a delay in this appeal when VWORLD asked the Appeal Court to pronounce the enforcement of the judgement regarding the amount they were convicted to pay.
So what is the next step? I guess we'll see a number of posters putting forward "it's all Pix's fault " if they fired every single soul at NPCube.
Future will tell. History continues to be written. Time, you know, is rarely your enemy when you're armed with patience.
Just so I can be the first PIX it’s your entire fault. DNL is dying.
If you would have just made the game and let them take all the credit for your hard work. If you would have just let them use your I.P. and not sued them for there lack of brains. There might be a game that might have been cool, if you had completely programmed all of it.
Any ways PIX keep fighting.
LMAO! good one DD!
I doubt very seriously that much of the blame for the firing is going to be honestly felt against _Pix_. By all that has come out and will continue to come out, the hurt employees will figure out that Farlan is the dastardly villian in all of this.
Then again, there is the chance that the "firing" was on paper only. Farlan could have very well "fired" them from Farlan but employed them in another unnamed company. They are so fond of smoke and mirrors, its hard to take even this news without looking at all the cracks too concerning anything with Farlan.
Odd too the whole lot was fired but the game continues to run. Was there any "real" devs employed in the first place?
Well, if Mr. Jacquet is indeed laying off all of NP3, then perhaps you might could find a disgruntled employee or two that could lend strength to your cause, _Pix_. It happens all the time over on our side of the pond...employee gets laid off/fired by big unscrupulous employer...employee later blows the whistle on/testifies against said unscrupulous employer. (Enron comes to mind.)
Anyway, don't stop fighting for your intellectual property.
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Well, if Mr. Jacquet is indeed laying off all of NP3, then perhaps you might could find a disgruntled employee or two that could lend strength to your cause, _Pix_. It happens all the time over on our side of the pond...employee gets laid off/fired by big unscrupulous employer...employee later blows the whistle on/testifies against said unscrupulous employer. (Enron comes to mind.) Anyway, don't stop fighting for your intellectual property.
I dunno know about that either. WIth the posts that come out from Farlan such as "we must not let them break us", and "we must attack our attackers" (attackers being disappointed players, ripped off customers, etc) and the like, the most laughable being "the truth will come out and we will be avenged" (BWHAHAAHHAAA) Farlan may have just told them the "potential" of their layoff as saving the company somehow and welp, if they have stayed with him this long, they surely took the bait.
When you do receive your money, I expect to get either a 10% cut or a pizza, whichever is greater. Somehow, I have a feeling its gonna be pizza
On a serious note though, hope you get through this and get some cash back - all this trouble and all this time, you deserve something in reward. If you do, dont forget our pizza deal
Edit: regarding collection. Once all the court proceedings are over, depending on the number of creditors and local laws, if the company does not have enough money to pay debt, usually it means you can force them to sell their assets (including hardware and/or any IPs they hold). who knows, maybe Pix will end up owning D&L franchise!
@ Pix When you do receive your money, I expect to get either a 10% cut or a pizza, whichever is greater. Somehow, I have a feeling its gonna be pizza On a serious note though, hope you get through this and get some cash back - all this trouble and all this time, you deserve something in reward. If you do, dont forget our pizza deal Edit: regarding collection. Once all the court proceedings are over, depending on the number of creditors and local laws, if the company does not have enough money to pay debt, usually it means you can force them to sell their assets (including hardware and/or any IPs they hold). who knows, maybe Pix will end up owning D&L franchise!
Unfortunately I think the DNL "franchise" is less than worthless. Most players who were even remotely interested in it wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Not to mention it would be quite an expensive feat to fix all the crap in DnL, not to mention code in all the missing features.
I saw a few people say these guys might take flight. Can you not get the legal system to bar these guys from leaving the country until this is solved?
Off topic question: I was looking around on your site. Is your technology featured in anything currently? I watched the films on your site and the engine is stunning to say the least.
Originally posted by Dwerk- Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_. You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose. The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think). I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game". Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan. REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players. You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want. I hope the best of luck to you AND to dark&light.
@ Pix When you do receive your money, I expect to get either a 10% cut or a pizza, whichever is greater. Somehow, I have a feeling its gonna be pizza On a serious note though, hope you get through this and get some cash back - all this trouble and all this time, you deserve something in reward. If you do, dont forget our pizza deal Edit: regarding collection. Once all the court proceedings are over, depending on the number of creditors and local laws, if the company does not have enough money to pay debt, usually it means you can force them to sell their assets (including hardware and/or any IPs they hold). who knows, maybe Pix will end up owning D&L franchise!
Unfortunately I think the DNL "franchise" is less than worthless. Most players who were even remotely interested in it wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Not to mention it would be quite an expensive feat to fix all the crap in DnL, not to mention code in all the missing features.
Lol. I think VWORLD would rather prefer to simply and quite logically get the money NPCube was fined . A DnL "franchise" would not be indeed a good deal, since this "franchise" would come along a certain number of "promised features" DnL customers already paid for, but didn't get effectively:
- VWORLD would have to design, print and send thousands of maps
- VWORLD would have to design, run and promote a server technology suite capable of handling hundreds of thousands millions of players on the same server
- VWORLD would have to design, write, and translate a game design
- VWORLD would have to re-gain the confidence of the customers that were repeatledly charged on their Visa
- etc, etc, etc
The only feature that VWORLD would be confident to provide without going the long lie rope would be the seamless big terrain which seems in the end to be the One remaining asset of Dark and Light.
and for the record...I believe they already fled the country, as, you know, all innocent people commonly do. I personally always liquidate what assets I have and flee to china every time I'm winning a court case because I am honest and in the right...
Man, and do you fly to Mars whenever you lose a court case?! Cause that would be a little bit difficult to catch you there...
BTW I've been informed that NPCube has been convicted in yet another case and that the Clerk's Office has just informed the winning party that their Office was not in a position to notify NPCube since its manager Cesar Jacquet was nowhere to be found on Reunion Island/France.
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Wow... I read through this most of this thread, and I must say, I never knew they did this much. I only knew briefly that they scammed money and used an illegal device..but now I know. I never knew that Pix got sued, or that Farlan tried this many excuces.
Well, now I know. Good luck Pix
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This is what DNL and their "fans" tried to discredit and prevent.
This is why we want people to know the whole truth. Hopefully Farlans shameful actions will prevent other sleazy devs from trying to pull this crap. MMO players dont need companies like Farlan.
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that they did indeed steal the terrain engine.
They've made a game and sold it to players. We all know that D&L isn't too successfull, but independently of whether they made a profit or not, they earned money. From stolen property.
Don't you think that Pix was entitled to a part of this money ? You think it is normal that he got 0 euros from his years of work, while you're defending the people who stole him by saying that "bah, they did not sell well anyway, it doesn't matter anymore" ?
Infinity: The Quest for Earth, space-sim MMO with a seamless procedural galaxy.
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that they did indeed steal the terrain engine.
They've made a game and sold it to players. We all know that D&L isn't too successfull, but independently of whether they made a profit or not, they earned money. From stolen property.
Don't you think that Pix was entitled to a part of this money ? You think it is normal that he got 0 euros from his years of work, while you're defending the people who stole him by saying that "bah, they did not sell well anyway, it doesn't matter anymore" ?
Nyast, it's useless to attempt logically thinking, common sense or simply using facts with the mentality of some of these posters. Just like Farceland/NPFleece themselves, they consider the actions of the sleazy company Farceland/NPFleece to be simply of no harm to anyone except themselves because their slimy manipulations didnt work.
As of 06/03/08 -- the game is still experiencing the same problems it had well before release of the "SOG that is not DNL that really was DNL all along". Easily validated by posts on their own forums (of which they even tried to hide that from the general public due to the abysmal state of the game. They wanted people to sign on but didnt want them to know just how sloppy and unplayable this game really is. )
They have blamed _Pix_ and now have even attempted to place blame on Snailgames for their troubles. It's everybody else BUT Farceland according to them. (see the press release wherein Farceland attempts to bring Snailgames into the copyright infringement fiasco they created in a court of law.)
The saddest and most hilarious at the same time is that they STILL attempt to throw off this mess they themselves created and continue to make fools of themselves in the mmo industry.
Sorry for necro-ing this one, but I haven't been on for a while, and I almost asphyxiated on my pizza when I read this.
It appears that _Pix_ has Farlan/NP3 all wrong...he should be grateful to them for all the free advertising that they've given his terrain tech!
Nice flip there, buddy...I'd bet even Bill Clinton would be impressed with that one.
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Awaiting: WAR, DF
Never played: WoW
A double necro, i simply needed to reply here aswell.
To this Dwerk- guy:
Yes, i hope that Farlan loses. I am saying that from a player's perspective, and from a consumer's perspective.
- In good faith i bought a product from Farlan/NPC, which they never delivered.
- In order to not get billed, i needed to *not* activate my account according to Farlan. However, they contradicted themselves by billing me 6 months later, and telling me that i had to activate the account to *not* get billed.
These are the reasons why people want Farlan to lose. We are consumers, and we got scammed. By proxy, Pix is getting our money back.
Playing: WF
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Tried: EQ, UO, AO, EnB, TCoS, Fury, Ryzom, EU, DDO, TR, RF, CO, Aion, VG, DN, Vindictus, AA
Some news over the last couple of months:
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May 2, 2008- [VWORLD - Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand]
On March 13th, 2008 NPCube was dismissed of all its claims in the case it brought against VWORLD before the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand on the grounds of unfair competition and damage to its reputation. NPCube has been convicted and fined 50, 000 Euros damages to VWORLD.
However on May 2, 2008 NPCube initiates a procedure to appeal against the judgment before the Court of Appeal of Riom.
As a reminder, four years ago, on July 6th, 2004, Mr Laurent Paret was informing M. Vincent Pourieux of certain "remarks" that some of Farlan's and NPCube's associates had voiced towards VWORLD, indicating their intention not to let VWORLD flourish in peace :
- that we were going to be haunted for the rest of our lives with this failure
- that Frederic and Dominique will get down to piss everybody off and above all not to get off VWorld's back if we stop
As a reminder also, Farlan had been publicly announcing as early as November 2005 that it was sueing Mr Vincent Pourieux , and NPCube claimed that Mr Vincent Pourieux had attempted to get money out of them :
What is NPCube's standpoint towards this: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pourieux/ ?
Pourrieux decided to leave without asking for anything, when release was still uncertain due to technical issues, and now that we have worked on his "mock-up" to turn it into an actual game, he's tried to squeeze money out of us
This site is slander, pure and simple. Farlan has already taken all necessary steps to make sure the law will be enforced and the third party sites which relay these slanderous allegations erase the messages in question. By the way, why choose the Web rather than Court to assert one's rights? Farlan will take the initiative to seize the Court for that subject matter.
No such Court action has been brought agaisnt Mr Pourieux to date, that is, two years and a half after it was publicly announced, and this news was relayed and translated in various languages on many Internet websites.
May 5, 2008- [University or Reunion Island]
Mr Vincent Pourieux writes an open letter to the President of the University of Reunion Island, Mr Serge Svizzero, demanding an explanation on the E-Campus project and the European public funds (ERDF) granted to its development. The E-Campus project is based on a partnership between the University of Reunion Island and the Reunionese company NPCube : this project takes advantage of the technical features of VWorldTerrain technology, without giving credit to its inventor and without being governed by licencing agreements with VWORLD.
Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply to this open letter yet.
June 2, 2008- [NPCube / Mr Cesar Jacquet]
Mr Vincent Pourieux writes an open letter to Mr Cesar Jacquet, manager of NPCube, offering to meet him in China within the framework of the development of the Asian version of the Dark and Light MMORPG, conducted in partnership between Reunionese company NPCube, Mauritian company Farlan and Chinese company SnailGame. Mr Cesar Jacquet has recently taken all measures to lay off NPCube's entire personnel and currently is on extensive travel in China.
Mr Cesar Jacquet, manager of Reunionese company NPCube, has not given any reply to this open letter yet.
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( source )
in brief:
1- NPCube is appealing against the judgment (targeted date, let's say something "soon" like 2009 )
2- Mr Serge Svizzero, President of the University of Reunion Island, has not given any reply yet to the open letter that was written for his attention last month already
3- Mr Cesar Jacquet has not replied either to the open letter that was written for his attention two weeks ago, prior to his leaving Reunion Island for China and succeeding his giving notice of their redundancy to all his remaining employees
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1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Interesting news _Pix_, if I read correctly, they're just not responding to the issue... This just makes it more of a chance for Pix to win.
/popcorn
Anyone else want some?
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1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Or, maybe not. Since it's no secret that China is the world capital for pirated wares (and knockoff Gucci bags), _Pix's_ attorney may have an even-bigger war to fight. VWORLD tech could very well end up "in the wild" over there. THAT fight could take years. Mr. Jacquet may just as well stay in China now, since they don't extradite (well, not to the U.S., at least).
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1. Stalling while Jacquet runs to pirate software haven China.
2. Poor guy has a face full of egg, right now. He'll maybe respond....someday.
3. His only hope is going full-pirate with Snailgames and hoping to stay out of legal jurisdiction while profiting off stolen software.
Pretty much the scenario we figured he'd go for, _Pix_.
Indeed.
He has already made public his intentions -- by announcing a DNL 2 version. That right there was also a wide and huge misstep on Farlan's part.
LOL They are making this very easy for _Pix_'s attorney LOL
ignorant, sleazy predictability = legal avenues in place = win for _Pix_ hands down
Or, maybe not. Since it's no secret that China is the world capital for pirated wares (and knockoff Gucci bags), _Pix's_ attorney may have an even-bigger war to fight. VWORLD tech could very well end up "in the wild" over there. THAT fight could take years. Mr. Jacquet may just as well stay in China now, since they don't extradite (well, not to the U.S., at least).
Ah, but thanks to the EU government public funds and the Reunion Island University funding NPcube/Farlan puts them in the crossfire. _Pix_ attorneys can go after them to some extent ( as they should have had more than enough manpower/resources to check all of this out in the beginning instead of trying to blindly back Farlan because they didn't want to admit they may have made a boo-boo ), and let the government/university deal with getting the money they lose to _Pix_ back from Farlan in China.
2009??!!
Man, this thing is never gong to end.
Well, the surprising and rather contradictory news to me is that they've just fired the rest of their personnel on the grounds of economic reasons but they do appeal agaisnt the 13th of March judgment condemning them. BTW they' ve already obtained a delay in this appeal when VWORLD asked the Appeal Court to pronounce the enforcement of the judgement regarding the amount they were convicted to pay.
So what is the next step? I guess we'll see a number of posters putting forward "it's all Pix's fault " if they fired every single soul at NPCube.
Future will tell. History continues to be written. Time, you know, is rarely your enemy when you're armed with patience.
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LMAO! good one DD!
I doubt very seriously that much of the blame for the firing is going to be honestly felt against _Pix_. By all that has come out and will continue to come out, the hurt employees will figure out that Farlan is the dastardly villian in all of this.
Then again, there is the chance that the "firing" was on paper only. Farlan could have very well "fired" them from Farlan but employed them in another unnamed company. They are so fond of smoke and mirrors, its hard to take even this news without looking at all the cracks too concerning anything with Farlan.
Odd too the whole lot was fired but the game continues to run. Was there any "real" devs employed in the first place?
Well, if Mr. Jacquet is indeed laying off all of NP3, then perhaps you might could find a disgruntled employee or two that could lend strength to your cause, _Pix_. It happens all the time over on our side of the pond...employee gets laid off/fired by big unscrupulous employer...employee later blows the whistle on/testifies against said unscrupulous employer. (Enron comes to mind.)
Anyway, don't stop fighting for your intellectual property.
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I dunno know about that either. WIth the posts that come out from Farlan such as "we must not let them break us", and "we must attack our attackers" (attackers being disappointed players, ripped off customers, etc) and the like, the most laughable being "the truth will come out and we will be avenged" (BWHAHAAHHAAA) Farlan may have just told them the "potential" of their layoff as saving the company somehow and welp, if they have stayed with him this long, they surely took the bait.
@ Pix
When you do receive your money, I expect to get either a 10% cut or a pizza, whichever is greater. Somehow, I have a feeling its gonna be pizza
On a serious note though, hope you get through this and get some cash back - all this trouble and all this time, you deserve something in reward. If you do, dont forget our pizza deal
Edit: regarding collection. Once all the court proceedings are over, depending on the number of creditors and local laws, if the company does not have enough money to pay debt, usually it means you can force them to sell their assets (including hardware and/or any IPs they hold). who knows, maybe Pix will end up owning D&L franchise!
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Unfortunately I think the DNL "franchise" is less than worthless. Most players who were even remotely interested in it wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Not to mention it would be quite an expensive feat to fix all the crap in DnL, not to mention code in all the missing features.
Pix,
I saw a few people say these guys might take flight. Can you not get the legal system to bar these guys from leaving the country until this is solved?
Off topic question: I was looking around on your site. Is your technology featured in anything currently? I watched the films on your site and the engine is stunning to say the least.
I think this guy is Farlan in disguise...
and for the record...I believe they already fled the country, as, you know, all innocent people commonly do.
I personally always liquidate what assets I have and flee to china every time I'm winning a court case because I am honest and in the right...
Unfortunately I think the DNL "franchise" is less than worthless. Most players who were even remotely interested in it wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Not to mention it would be quite an expensive feat to fix all the crap in DnL, not to mention code in all the missing features.
Lol. I think VWORLD would rather prefer to simply and quite logically get the money NPCube was fined . A DnL "franchise" would not be indeed a good deal, since this "franchise" would come along a certain number of "promised features" DnL customers already paid for, but didn't get effectively:
- VWORLD would have to design, print and send thousands of maps
- VWORLD would have to design, run and promote a server technology suite capable of handling hundreds of thousands millions of players on the same server
- VWORLD would have to design, write, and translate a game design
- VWORLD would have to re-gain the confidence of the customers that were repeatledly charged on their Visa
- etc, etc, etc
The only feature that VWORLD would be confident to provide without going the long lie rope would be the seamless big terrain which seems in the end to be the One remaining asset of Dark and Light.
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Man, and do you fly to Mars whenever you lose a court case?! Cause that would be a little bit difficult to catch you there...
BTW I've been informed that NPCube has been convicted in yet another case and that the Clerk's Office has just informed the winning party that their Office was not in a position to notify NPCube since its manager Cesar Jacquet was nowhere to be found on Reunion Island/France.
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