Things are easy to find, maps are gorgeous - it's the lack of content.
July 21, 2008 - Book 14 October #, 2008 - Book 15? November ##., 2008 - Mines of Moria? January ##, 2008 - Book 2 V2
Book 14 will add enough content to keep you playing for 3-7 days. But then what? you go back to being bored as shit until book 15. Then what does book 15 add, same crap as previous books where you will be bored after 3-7days. Mines of Moria will keep you busy for maybe, 1month, then what, back to being bored lol... Hopefully they add some dungeons in moria... I dislike how they stated the change from 50 - 60 would be minimal. According to a interview with gamespy, they didn't want you to be to powerful over level 50 content. Probably cuz they won't be adding much at 60, they want you to be doing level 50 shit still.
BTW Book 15 and MOM will be released at the same time.
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I played this game for a while before and enjoyed it but eventually moved on due to lack of an end game and lack of variety in the game. Now i'm returning for a while if not for long-term. However.. i'm concerned that this game suffers from slow development and is hindered by the hardcore Tolkien fans who simultaneously keep the game in business but also hinder progress by being sticklers to the lore. Don't get me wrong i'm a fan of the books too and don't want to see this become another WoW clone and full of kids..but look at it realistically for a moment: Any development/expansion/addition to the game will be met with opposition and scrutiny as to whether or not its within the lore .. I honestly don't know if the game will be able to last years under those terms like a EQ, DAOC or WoW can because it can never really evolve too far.. for example: -a maximum of 4 playable races, forever. Don't say monster play cause thats really just an illusion and at the end of the day you're still one of those 4 races, and not everyone does it. Does this really matter? Does having 50 different races make other games better? If you say yes, then why? COD4 is one of the most popular video games of all time. How many playable races does it have? Tolkein's works have somehow managed to stay popular for over 50 years....with only 4 main character races. How is that possible?
-nothing magical can ever be added to the game, nor can any classes be added like a traditional MMO Wizard DPS class, due to lore This is both wrong, and irrelevant in my opinion. Why can't an MMO succeed without classic high-fantasy magic? In any event, there's really plenty of it. There's the Minstrel, which is exactly the same as a Priest, the Loremaster, and soon to come, the Runekeeper. -no interaction with any of the iconic, memorable characters unless it's part something that already happened in the books/movies, in which case its predictable. Again, this is not true. There are many quests that involve the main storyline characters, some of which you are doing for the characters, and some you even do WITH them. -A forseeable ending to the game when they exhaust the worthwhile book content and eventually have to let players raid Mordor and see Sauron defeated. Does anyone know what happened in Middle Earth after Sauron fell? Sounds to me like an awesome, wide-open canvas for a great MMO. In fact, if I recall correctly, the original concept for Middle Earth Online had the story starting immediately after the fall of Sauron. How long do you honestly think it can go on for? I think they are deliberately taking their sweet time on developing the game due to these reasons.. I quit right after the month of the Burglar and it doesn't look like much was added since. I do have hopes though, the game definitely has potential. I think every player needs to acknowledge something though; only one of these two things can happen with this game in the future: 1) Eventually the lore will have to be bent slightly or interpreted differently to add new content/classes/races/zones.. or Why? Why does there have to be more races or classes? Two new ones are coming with MoM. There's a whole huge world that can be developed without "bending" the lore. I'd be surprised if they are ever able to develop all of ME in the next ten years. 2) The game will die and be a ghost-town like so many others have, and even the hardcore lifetime subscribing Tolkien fans will be moonlighting in other MMO's, if you aren't already.. EQ still has tons of players almost 10 years later. Why should this game be any different? That's all really..just some ramblings from a returned player, concerned but hopeful for the future. Sorry if it all came out negative but i'm short on sleep at the moment.
Umm, stuff....and stuff.
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Things are easy to find, maps are gorgeous - it's the lack of content.
July 21, 2008 - Book 14 October #, 2008 - Book 15? November ##., 2008 - Mines of Moria? January ##, 2008 - Book 2 V2
Book 14 will add enough content to keep you playing for 3-7 days. But then what? you go back to being bored as shit until book 15. Then what does book 15 add, same crap as previous books where you will be bored after 3-7days. Mines of Moria will keep you busy for maybe, 1month, then what, back to being bored lol... Hopefully they add some dungeons in moria... I dislike how they stated the change from 50 - 60 would be minimal. According to a interview with gamespy, they didn't want you to be to powerful over level 50 content. Probably cuz they won't be adding much at 60, they want you to be doing level 50 shit still.
Book 15 comes with Mines of Morai.
Also between book 14 and the Mines of Moria there's going to be a festival and live events for the conclusion of the story arc.
You're misinterpreting the 50-60 content. They're just saying it's going to be a gradual increase similar to 40-50 instead of a huge initial spike where all your equipment is immediately replaced by the easiest quest rewards.
As far as things to do, they said that Moria will have a lot of quests, instances, raids, etc. There will be tons to do.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~ LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
I played this game for a while before and enjoyed it but eventually moved on due to lack of an end game and lack of variety in the game. Now i'm returning for a while if not for long-term. However.. i'm concerned that this game suffers from slow development and is hindered by the hardcore Tolkien fans who simultaneously keep the game in business but also hinder progress by being sticklers to the lore. Don't get me wrong i'm a fan of the books too and don't want to see this become another WoW clone and full of kids..but look at it realistically for a moment: Any development/expansion/addition to the game will be met with opposition and scrutiny as to whether or not its within the lore .. I honestly don't know if the game will be able to last years under those terms like a EQ, DAOC or WoW can because it can never really evolve too far.. for example: -a maximum of 4 playable races, forever. Don't say monster play cause thats really just an illusion and at the end of the day you're still one of those 4 races, and not everyone does it. True, but those 4 races have a lot of depth to them. I don't see this as a big issue. -nothing magical can ever be added to the game, nor can any classes be added like a traditional MMO Wizard DPS class, due to lore The loremaste is very wizard like, but to an extent what you say is true. They are making a new class called the rune-keeper which is going to be a DPS/Healing hybrid and should stray a little more into the magical, but we'll have to wait to see exactly how that's going to work. Just because they can't do fireball tossing mages doesn't mean they can't do anything cool. -no interaction with any of the iconic, memorable characters unless it's part something that already happened in the books/movies, in which case its predictable. One of the areas I'm most excited about is Mirkwood/Dale/Lonely Mountain because Turbine will have a lot more freedom to come up with their own storyline involving major characters. Turbine is also planning on using session play to let us take part in iconic moments which may have happened far in the past. -A forseeable ending to the game when they exhaust the worthwhile book content and eventually have to let players raid Mordor and see Sauron defeated. But that end will not come for a long, long time. Moria is getting released this fall. We can assume that they will probably do Rohan for another expansion and the areas from the Hobbit in another. So the earliest that I'm expecting to see Gondor is Fall 2010, and I'm sure they can stretch out the story of what happens there for a year or two before destroying the ring (~2012). Then of course you have the events that happen in the shire which could add a little more to the game. It could be cool to see some of the events from the fourth age. By then I'm sure Turbine will come up for a plan to keep the game exciting for players. How long do you honestly think it can go on for? I think they are deliberately taking their sweet time on developing the game due to these reasons.. I quit right after the month of the Burglar and it doesn't look like much was added since. I do have hopes though, the game definitely has potential. I think every player needs to acknowledge something though; only one of these two things can happen with this game in the future: Well, book 12 (burglar/guardian) did take the longest to come out, so that may be why you think they slowed down. It took 4 months instead of the usual 2-3. But book 13 released a whole new zone to the game with a lot of content in it. Book 14 is about to come out, and it looks like it's going to be one of the best patches. Overall Turbine is really good at pumping out new content, but I do think there were some areas that could have used some more attention. 1) Eventually the lore will have to be bent slightly or interpreted differently to add new content/classes/races/zones.. or The game will die and be a ghost-town like so many others have, and even the hardcore lifetime subscribing Tolkien fans will be moonlighting in other MMO's, if you aren't already.. I don't think that's the case. That's all really..just some ramblings from a returned player, concerned but hopeful for the future. Sorry if it all came out negative but i'm short on sleep at the moment.
At times I've wondered about some of these things, but I've begun to have a lot of faith in Turbine. They are doing a lot of cool things from the Legendary Items to Session play where you can participate in iconic moments from the lore. The expansion is sounding awesome with two new classes, new end game content, an epic interpretation of moria, and some cool new technology such as a new UI and new technology that will reduce the number of loading screens in the game.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~ LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
Originally posted by Wrymstrum You're misinterpreting the 50-60 content. They're just saying it's going to be a gradual increase similar to 40-50 instead of a huge initial spike where all your equipment is immediately replaced by the easiest quest rewards.
Yes! I think this is about alot of people are worried about MoM will be like TBC when it was released... From what Ive heard the main complaint about the WoW expansion was that the transision from lvl 60 wasnt very smooth and that a lvl 58 char could get normal drops that was superior to previous raid-gear!
In the Steefel interview he just said that the progression beyond lvl 50 is going to be smooth when it comes to gear.. Its nice to see that they are learning from other companys mistakes!
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
only problem i see for this game is what happens when we have 2 or 3 expansions (and all the updates inbetween) gonna be bloody hard to get a group together when you got 1/10th of middle earth (which is huge btw)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
I played LOTRO at launch but stopped not too long after. I just returned this past week and while familiar..seems different. I seem to feel more at ease wth it this time and appreciative of the beautiful graphics. Maybe its having a different char this time...had guardian last time..have hmm name eludes me atm lol but anyhoo. I think big update/expansion can only help
only problem i see for this game is what happens when we have 2 or 3 expansions (and all the updates inbetween) gonna be bloody hard to get a group together when you got 1/10th of middle earth (which is huge btw)
Final fantasy XI has four expansions and theres no trouble grouping.. if theres a need to group, there will always be people around. 8)
I played this game for a while before and enjoyed it but eventually moved on due to lack of an end game and lack of variety in the game. Now i'm returning for a while if not for long-term. However.. i'm concerned that this game suffers from slow development and is hindered by the hardcore Tolkien fans who simultaneously keep the game in business but also hinder progress by being sticklers to the lore. Don't get me wrong i'm a fan of the books too and don't want to see this become another WoW clone and full of kids..but look at it realistically for a moment: Any development/expansion/addition to the game will be met with opposition and scrutiny as to whether or not its within the lore .. I honestly don't know if the game will be able to last years under those terms like a EQ, DAOC or WoW can because it can never really evolve too far.. for example: -a maximum of 4 playable races, forever. Don't say monster play cause thats really just an illusion and at the end of the day you're still one of those 4 races, and not everyone does it. -nothing magical can ever be added to the game, nor can any classes be added like a traditional MMO Wizard DPS class, due to lore -no interaction with any of the iconic, memorable characters unless it's part something that already happened in the books/movies, in which case its predictable. -A forseeable ending to the game when they exhaust the worthwhile book content and eventually have to let players raid Mordor and see Sauron defeated. How long do you honestly think it can go on for? I think they are deliberately taking their sweet time on developing the game due to these reasons.. I quit right after the month of the Burglar and it doesn't look like much was added since. I do have hopes though, the game definitely has potential. I think every player needs to acknowledge something though; only one of these two things can happen with this game in the future: 1) Eventually the lore will have to be bent slightly or interpreted differently to add new content/classes/races/zones.. or 2) The game will die and be a ghost-town like so many others have, and even the hardcore lifetime subscribing Tolkien fans will be moonlighting in other MMO's, if you aren't already.. That's all really..just some ramblings from a returned player, concerned but hopeful for the future. Sorry if it all came out negative but i'm short on sleep at the moment.
You're worrying over nothing really. The game has no feel of the Tolkien works outside of the names used. The game feel like a restrictive theme-park shooting gallery sort of like LEGOLAND: Middle-Earth.
But, until very recently, I progressed only as far as Book 7. Why? Because there were SO many other things to do, leveling alts, gathering traits, exploring new areas (Evendim, Misty mountains east, Tal Bruinen, Forochel), that somehow I was always "distracted"
That's been my problem. Hit 50, and was a lot more worried about maxing my crafting than doing book quests. Got done with that and decided to work on my virtues. Some of the higher ones are a pain in the butt, but they do make a real difference if you stick with them. Around the time I got done with those, Foreschel launched and I ran through that to get my rep up enough for the new recipes. That was another month I was still on 4.8. And none of that takes into account the time I spend on alts and doing monster play. It's easy to lose a month or two ranking up a creep.
Finally a few weeks ago decied to get serious about my book quests. Want to at least get through them all before MoM. Up to 8.8 now, but it's still pretty slow going. Even when I log with the intent of doing a book quest, seems like I usually get distracted by something.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
only problem i see for this game is what happens when we have 2 or 3 expansions (and all the updates inbetween) gonna be bloody hard to get a group together when you got 1/10th of middle earth (which is huge btw)
Final fantasy XI has four expansions and theres no trouble grouping.. if theres a need to group, there will always be people around. 8)
id say thats an outright lie about FFXI..i play with 3 friends and we ALWAYS have problems completing our groups...big waste of time...thats why im looking around for something new
One thign to consider about the expanding the map so hard to find groups, in 2 years or so the newtwork/ computer tech in general will improve so if turbine sees that the players are spread too thin on a serv, they will probably improve hardware and merge the least poped servs.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
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BTW Book 15 and MOM will be released at the same time.
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Brandywine Global LFF chan "/joinchannel glff"
Umm, stuff....and stuff.
____________________________________________
im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good
Book 15 comes with Mines of Morai.
Also between book 14 and the Mines of Moria there's going to be a festival and live events for the conclusion of the story arc.
You're misinterpreting the 50-60 content. They're just saying it's going to be a gradual increase similar to 40-50 instead of a huge initial spike where all your equipment is immediately replaced by the easiest quest rewards.
As far as things to do, they said that Moria will have a lot of quests, instances, raids, etc. There will be tons to do.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
At times I've wondered about some of these things, but I've begun to have a lot of faith in Turbine. They are doing a lot of cool things from the Legendary Items to Session play where you can participate in iconic moments from the lore. The expansion is sounding awesome with two new classes, new end game content, an epic interpretation of moria, and some cool new technology such as a new UI and new technology that will reduce the number of loading screens in the game.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.
Yes! I think this is about alot of people are worried about MoM will be like TBC when it was released... From what Ive heard the main complaint about the WoW expansion was that the transision from lvl 60 wasnt very smooth and that a lvl 58 char could get normal drops that was superior to previous raid-gear!
In the Steefel interview he just said that the progression beyond lvl 50 is going to be smooth when it comes to gear.. Its nice to see that they are learning from other companys mistakes!
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
only problem i see for this game is what happens when we have 2 or 3 expansions (and all the updates inbetween) gonna be bloody hard to get a group together when you got 1/10th of middle earth (which is huge btw)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
I played LOTRO at launch but stopped not too long after. I just returned this past week and while familiar..seems different. I seem to feel more at ease wth it this time and appreciative of the beautiful graphics. Maybe its having a different char this time...had guardian last time..have hmm name eludes me atm lol but anyhoo. I think big update/expansion can only help
Final fantasy XI has four expansions and theres no trouble grouping.. if theres a need to group, there will always be people around. 8)
You're worrying over nothing really. The game has no feel of the Tolkien works outside of the names used. The game feel like a restrictive theme-park shooting gallery sort of like LEGOLAND: Middle-Earth.
That's been my problem. Hit 50, and was a lot more worried about maxing my crafting than doing book quests. Got done with that and decided to work on my virtues. Some of the higher ones are a pain in the butt, but they do make a real difference if you stick with them. Around the time I got done with those, Foreschel launched and I ran through that to get my rep up enough for the new recipes. That was another month I was still on 4.8. And none of that takes into account the time I spend on alts and doing monster play. It's easy to lose a month or two ranking up a creep.
Finally a few weeks ago decied to get serious about my book quests. Want to at least get through them all before MoM. Up to 8.8 now, but it's still pretty slow going. Even when I log with the intent of doing a book quest, seems like I usually get distracted by something.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Final fantasy XI has four expansions and theres no trouble grouping.. if theres a need to group, there will always be people around. 8)
id say thats an outright lie about FFXI..i play with 3 friends and we ALWAYS have problems completing our groups...big waste of time...thats why im looking around for something new
One thign to consider about the expanding the map so hard to find groups, in 2 years or so the newtwork/ computer tech in general will improve so if turbine sees that the players are spread too thin on a serv, they will probably improve hardware and merge the least poped servs.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.