I was really liking what I was reading about Wish, until I got to the PvP part. If they're trying to capture the UO feel, why can't they just have open PvP? That right there turned me off to Wish. How do you feel about this?
well what i was hoping for would be open pvp except in towns (like, guard-protection); with the exception of a guard-free town or two (buc's den represent )
Ya they need to redo there Uo claims. Saying third dawn rule set. I agree There setting up for ghost towns in the pvp area. But dont go posting on other sites this idea they ban you in them.
Considering the live action monster attacks in all areas, i think it will be good to have a designated area for PvP. The game will be not be static with camping of mobs. You will be challenged and the areas inhabitants will be changing......
imho.....
The trick will be to integrate the PvP areas into the overall storyline and action of the world map.
But as a tester i can tell you it looks like an excellent game for joining up with friends real or virtual and experiencing some good action.
The PvP is really good in the game. Towns declare war and then you go to battle. Theres the fighting arenas too if you have a score to settle. But I do think I read somewhere that there will be open PvP for certain people, but not sure. But there has to be something because the rouge can steal from player characters.
ya after battleing fan bois on the vn boards im gonna beta test just to make there lives hell. As a rouge i can steal and if they cant do anything about it gonna be rather amuseing till i get board hearing there cries.
As a Rogue you can steal ..& when caught ..you get a bounty on your head & a pack of Bounty Hunters on your Butt ..no matter if your in the PvP area or not ....So I wouln't count on hearing many cries but your own
thats if there is bounty hunters. I really doubt theres gonna be much pvp seems everyone who wants to play this is a horizon refugeee meaning they wont attack a fly.
You say that there are more a-holes in non PvP games.
You hate Wish, you hate it's concept, you hate it's graphics, you hate that it doesn't have enough PvP for your tastes. Yet you went to a "fan site", got pissed off because there were actually *gasp* fans there, and you got so pissed off at them because they actually *gasp* liked the game (remember, at a fan site) that you now plan to go into that game, that you hate, and torture them?
Are you really sure there are more a-holes in non PvP? Because you're not representing your case very well as an example. The non a-hole would just say, "I don't like anything about this game. I think I'll just move on with my life and find one I do like."
I guess to each his own.
PS. That master plan of stealing from them isn't going to work. You can't steal from people outside of PvP areas. You can only steal from cetain NPC's outside the PvP areas.
From reading this thread & a few others I'm sure it was directed at that Tick or Flea or whatever..He seems to really have a bug in his ear about this game
Anyway ..I like what I have seen & everything I'm reading about what's coming ..I'll be there in Dec I'm sure ..can't wait
I agree that the PVP in-game is pretty good the way it is. I'm a beta tester from the beginning and I'm even in the closed beta that's coming up(can't post anything more bout that) and the way they developed the pvp made it so you didn't have to worry about getting killed all the time, but if you wanted to duke it out with friends you could(ah the nekkid wrestling matches).
ps gary coleman was the only annoying one i met... but he was nice once you got to know him. The key to not getting too annoyed is simple... REMEMBER IT'S JUST A GAME! And if all else fails report them.
I too think the game has a lot of potential, but the lack of PVP did turn me off a bit. Even the rouge idea seamed a little to small for it to have to much of an affect on the game, maybe if they enlarged the system to have bounty hunters for a PK instead of just petty thievery.
As far as I know the Bounty systems deals with any crime not just thievery ,would include killing NPCs ,traders ,guards etc .Once you have a bounty on your head or choose to try & collect a bounty on someone ..you are basically open to PvP anywhere ,to anyone else thats a criminal or a Bounty Hunter
I Imagine you'll see Lots of Criminal Gangs as Well as Bounty Hunter Gangs (Guilds Even)
Also Don't Forget that there is A Huge Area of the Map that is Open PvP for anyone that enters it ,I'm sure with Cities,Towns Etc (3x or 5x (forget) the Size of the Entire Area that was open for Beta 1 )
Also Surgical PvP in the Dynamic Content (not much info on this yet)
But there are Plenty of Ways PvP is going to be used in the Game
You speak as if there will be a gm for every player to carry an event. I dont think thats gonna happen unless trhey only have 30 players. I could see maybe one event a month go on. So what you doing the rest of the time. Speaking old english thinking thats roleplaying rofl. I am a skeptic. Sorry way to many games over the past 2 years have blown the pervervial goat. They say one thing promise it promote it. Then you get in and guess what. They claim theyll implement it in a year. Ive been playing mmos long enough to know most games lie. So yes ill spout against games in hopes maybe someone will listen. Its not all rosey as most of the fan-bois always say!!!
All players need to be skeptical in todays mmo market.
This place at least isnt ran by nazis wholl ban on the first word of skepticism. Ask many beta one players what they thought. Heh ones i talked to didnt have much good to say. Now lets go off what they show us. Bad graphics compaired to the other ones releaseing. A dev team basicly saying pvp isnt gonna have much impact. ok causes lots of bordom in the end game. A promise of dynamic content and a evolveing story. O my i havnt heard that from every mmo out there. Then to add it up they claim a new home to uo players. That just is a lie. Ok they got reagents for spells its skill based. Point and click move. Thats where it ends on uo and many games doing the same thing.
Game may be fun who knows but look at facts and every other POS mmo that released and there brite and shiny lies with fan-bois polishing every wrinkle of the turd.
Ps you fan-bois are the reason most games are crap. The devs want the truth all you do is kiss there butts. Then the game releases and everyone goes this is garbage.
You mean most games are crap because of the fan base and not because the publishers force them to push a weak product out the door? Not because a lot of developers dont know what they are doing? Not because more developpers just want a peice of the "me too" pie and dont care about being inovative? It's all the fan bases fault?
Get real Einstein.
You want to blame something like HZ on the fans? You're delusional. 95% of all us beta testers in HZ told them not to release it.
So what you are saying is that the devs listen to the 5% and released it in the crappy condition it was and somehow the Devs arent at fault there?
Oh, i'm sure you'll try and say something like "no, i mean the fans took out pvp".
If that was were you were going with your argument, you'd be wrong again. HZ all on it's own went into the blackout of 2001 and reemerged as a PvE game, with no help at all from the fans.
Again, somehow the fans are to blame for these games and not the dev teams? Yeah, right.
SWG beta, a large majority of the beta testers told them not to release yet. Somehow it's the fan's fault they did?
BTW, hate to burst your bubble but you're running around with a bunch of false information. Wish was never anything but 100% consensual PvP. Should really get your facts straight. Even when it had Dave Rickey the lead designer at the time. BTW, you are once again wrong calling him the originator. Marc Laukien was the originator (if there is one) of Wish, and he's still very much there. As is the staff from ZeroC who are most liekly to be attributed with the origination of Wish.
From the beginning the game was not supposed to be PvP focused. HvH was going to be part of the world, but not the entire focus. And even through all that, HvH was going to be 100% consensual .... you could avaid it if you'd like. So i'm not certain where you're getting this indignation of "omg, they ruined a PvP game". Basically you're bitching that a PvE centric game cut out part of it's PvP plans, and then replaced it with other type of PvP... both consensual.
nazis. hehe. I tried telling your buddy what most likely happened but he took great offense to being reasoned with. go figure.
the guy that got banned most likely had another account under the same address banned. they call it an evade and the first thing the do when they see a new evade is lock down and ban all accounts on that address that match, and then delete the posts of the evade.
would explain why you buddy's post got deleted but when you reposted it it did not....as a matter of fact it's still up. Some nazis huh?
and this notion of "first word of skepticism" is sorta wacked. you honestly think that your buddy was the first and only skeptic to show up over there since that boards been open over a year ago?
and you really think they all got deleted and banned? (More reasons why it wasprobably over an evade)
you really should get over yourself. that piece wasnt that bad. it was sort of toothless because it had so many assumption about the genre, and misinformation about wish.
you want to see skepticsim? just go look at their threads on pnc. makes your buddies post look like a poem about daisies. yet those pnc threads are still open and no one was banned.
i guess all this anger you have stems from not getting told what you wanted to hear from the devs. some people cant take not being told what they want to hear from devs, i suppose.
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Having open PVP would be ok, but have it in a few towns.
I would not wan't to be attacked everywere i go in game!
Bob
Ya they need to redo there Uo claims. Saying third dawn rule set. I agree There setting up for ghost towns in the pvp area. But dont go posting on other sites this idea they ban you in them.
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Considering the live action monster attacks in all areas, i think it will be good to have a designated area for PvP. The game will be not be static with camping of mobs. You will be challenged and the areas inhabitants will be changing......
imho.....
The trick will be to integrate the PvP areas into the overall storyline and action of the world map.
But as a tester i can tell you it looks like an excellent game for joining up with friends real or virtual and experiencing some good action.
The PvP is really good in the game. Towns declare war and then you go to battle. Theres the fighting arenas too if you have a score to settle. But I do think I read somewhere that there will be open PvP for certain people, but not sure. But there has to be something because the rouge can steal from player characters.
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ya after battleing fan bois on the vn boards im gonna beta test just to make there lives hell. As a rouge i can steal and if they cant do anything about it gonna be rather amuseing till i get board hearing there cries.
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thats if there is bounty hunters. I really doubt theres gonna be much pvp seems everyone who wants to play this is a horizon refugeee meaning they wont attack a fly.
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i like the bounty hunter idea, and the rougue idea (of course).
eh, ill keep my eyes open.
Let me get this straight....
You say that there are more a-holes in non PvP games.
You hate Wish, you hate it's concept, you hate it's graphics, you hate that it doesn't have enough PvP for your tastes. Yet you went to a "fan site", got pissed off because there were actually *gasp* fans there, and you got so pissed off at them because they actually *gasp* liked the game (remember, at a fan site) that you now plan to go into that game, that you hate, and torture them?
Are you really sure there are more a-holes in non PvP? Because you're not representing your case very well as an example. The non a-hole would just say, "I don't like anything about this game. I think I'll just move on with my life and find one I do like."
I guess to each his own.
PS. That master plan of stealing from them isn't going to work. You can't steal from people outside of PvP areas. You can only steal from cetain NPC's outside the PvP areas.
From reading this thread & a few others I'm sure it was directed at that Tick or Flea or whatever..He seems to really have a bug in his ear about this game
Anyway ..I like what I have seen & everything I'm reading about what's coming ..I'll be there in Dec I'm sure ..can't wait
I agree that the PVP in-game is pretty good the way it is. I'm a beta tester from the beginning and I'm even in the closed beta that's coming up(can't post anything more bout that) and the way they developed the pvp made it so you didn't have to worry about getting killed all the time, but if you wanted to duke it out with friends you could(ah the nekkid wrestling matches).
ps gary coleman was the only annoying one i met... but he was nice once you got to know him. The key to not getting too annoyed is simple... REMEMBER IT'S JUST A GAME! And if all else fails report them.
im sure thye have a good PvP system that works, but im a fan of open pvp
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i like the feeling of knowing i can get attacked anywhere at anytime..and i like being the one doing the attacking too.
it just adds so much freedom to pvp...lots of fun.
I too think the game has a lot of potential, but the lack of PVP did turn me off a bit. Even the rouge idea seamed a little to small for it to have to much of an affect on the game, maybe if they enlarged the system to have bounty hunters for a PK instead of just petty thievery.
As far as I know the Bounty systems deals with any crime not just thievery ,would include killing NPCs ,traders ,guards etc .Once you have a bounty on your head or choose to try & collect a bounty on someone ..you are basically open to PvP anywhere ,to anyone else thats a criminal or a Bounty Hunter
I Imagine you'll see Lots of Criminal Gangs as Well as Bounty Hunter Gangs (Guilds Even)
Also Don't Forget that there is A Huge Area of the Map that is Open PvP for anyone that enters it ,I'm sure with Cities,Towns Etc (3x or 5x (forget) the Size of the Entire Area that was open for Beta 1 )
Also Surgical PvP in the Dynamic Content (not much info on this yet)
But there are Plenty of Ways PvP is going to be used in the Game
You speak as if there will be a gm for every player to carry an event. I dont think thats gonna happen unless trhey only have 30 players. I could see maybe one event a month go on. So what you doing the rest of the time. Speaking old english thinking thats roleplaying rofl. I am a skeptic. Sorry way to many games over the past 2 years have blown the pervervial goat. They say one thing promise it promote it. Then you get in and guess what. They claim theyll implement it in a year. Ive been playing mmos long enough to know most games lie. So yes ill spout against games in hopes maybe someone will listen. Its not all rosey as most of the fan-bois always say!!!
All players need to be skeptical in todays mmo market.
This place at least isnt ran by nazis wholl ban on the first word of skepticism. Ask many beta one players what they thought. Heh ones i talked to didnt have much good to say. Now lets go off what they show us. Bad graphics compaired to the other ones releaseing. A dev team basicly saying pvp isnt gonna have much impact. ok causes lots of bordom in the end game. A promise of dynamic content and a evolveing story. O my i havnt heard that from every mmo out there. Then to add it up they claim a new home to uo players. That just is a lie. Ok they got reagents for spells its skill based. Point and click move. Thats where it ends on uo and many games doing the same thing.
Game may be fun who knows but look at facts and every other POS mmo that released and there brite and shiny lies with fan-bois polishing every wrinkle of the turd.
Orky Name Generator, only at www.bigchoppaz.com
Ps you fan-bois are the reason most games are crap. The devs want the truth all you do is kiss there butts. Then the game releases and everyone goes this is garbage.
Orky Name Generator, only at www.bigchoppaz.com
You mean most games are crap because of the fan base and not because the publishers force them to push a weak product out the door? Not because a lot of developers dont know what they are doing? Not because more developpers just want a peice of the "me too" pie and dont care about being inovative? It's all the fan bases fault?
Get real Einstein.
You want to blame something like HZ on the fans? You're delusional. 95% of all us beta testers in HZ told them not to release it.
So what you are saying is that the devs listen to the 5% and released it in the crappy condition it was and somehow the Devs arent at fault there?
Oh, i'm sure you'll try and say something like "no, i mean the fans took out pvp".
If that was were you were going with your argument, you'd be wrong again. HZ all on it's own went into the blackout of 2001 and reemerged as a PvE game, with no help at all from the fans.
Again, somehow the fans are to blame for these games and not the dev teams? Yeah, right.
SWG beta, a large majority of the beta testers told them not to release yet. Somehow it's the fan's fault they did?
BTW, hate to burst your bubble but you're running around with a bunch of false information. Wish was never anything but 100% consensual PvP. Should really get your facts straight. Even when it had Dave Rickey the lead designer at the time. BTW, you are once again wrong calling him the originator. Marc Laukien was the originator (if there is one) of Wish, and he's still very much there. As is the staff from ZeroC who are most liekly to be attributed with the origination of Wish.
From the beginning the game was not supposed to be PvP focused. HvH was going to be part of the world, but not the entire focus. And even through all that, HvH was going to be 100% consensual .... you could avaid it if you'd like. So i'm not certain where you're getting this indignation of "omg, they ruined a PvP game". Basically you're bitching that a PvE centric game cut out part of it's PvP plans, and then replaced it with other type of PvP... both consensual.
Oh the horror.
nazis. hehe. I tried telling your buddy what most likely happened but he took great offense to being reasoned with. go figure.
the guy that got banned most likely had another account under the same address banned. they call it an evade and the first thing the do when they see a new evade is lock down and ban all accounts on that address that match, and then delete the posts of the evade.
would explain why you buddy's post got deleted but when you reposted it it did not....as a matter of fact it's still up. Some nazis huh?
and this notion of "first word of skepticism" is sorta wacked. you honestly think that your buddy was the first and only skeptic to show up over there since that boards been open over a year ago?
and you really think they all got deleted and banned? (More reasons why it wasprobably over an evade)
you really should get over yourself. that piece wasnt that bad. it was sort of toothless because it had so many assumption about the genre, and misinformation about wish.
you want to see skepticsim? just go look at their threads on pnc. makes your buddies post look like a poem about daisies. yet those pnc threads are still open and no one was banned.
i guess all this anger you have stems from not getting told what you wanted to hear from the devs. some people cant take not being told what they want to hear from devs, i suppose.
Its a Great Game!
Cindy
innovations with storyline go play ryzon each mob has an ai 0 static mobs the wolves play as pks and hunt in packs roaming areas.
Looks like somones beat them to there live storyline.
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