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Should we blame the AlphaBeta Testers?
kparton
Member Posts: 104
Well, its there job to test everything before release, why wasn't all this crap found, reported and fixed allready?
Too many people wanting to play the game before anyone else instead of actaully testing the bloody thing? me thinks.
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As an alpha and beta tester for the game, blaming us would be ridiclous.
We can only find the bugs, make the suggestions and hope they are fixed. They werent fixed, we have no control over that, and we never have control over things like that in any beta test. They made the choice, between a finished client and meeting their deadline and they chose their deadline.
They fucked up, just like the devs did in vanguard.
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You must not have been here in the weeks before release.
I was in there all the way until i seen the last state it was in before i cancelled my preorder.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I'm sorry , your assumption is not acceptable. we beta testers pointed out, many times, the flaws, bugs, inconsistencies and general malfunction of ..well almost everything you people are complaining about.
the fact they preffered to ignore what we reported is not our fault.
And to make things even worse, many og us come here and to other forum and tried to warn people of the problems, but most times we ended up insulted or called liers, or worse by fanbois and teenagers on steroids that couldnt cope with the reality that their hyped product was not as perfect as they wanted it to be.
And now you are pointing the blame at us? We were exactly what you called us beta TESTERS. We didnt had the power to change anything, we could just give feedback that rarelly was considered by either Funcom or the community that now appears to .... blame us?
I applaud people like you, the ones that actually want to test a game and make it better. unfortunatly I wonder how many of the total testers allowing to the game actually did this.
I never played AoC beta but I knew several people in my TF2 clan that did and they just played it, they never tested anything but where enjoying the fact that they were playing it. I don't believe this was an isolated incedent, I reckon several hundered were doing the same.
What I'm wondering is maybe if there was a combind effort where all testers actually tested then maybe things would be different.
I do beta test games, last one I did was Everquest 2. They has thier fair share of muppets too.
Hilarious.
Lets say you blame us/them. What's the point exactly?
o no hes right lets burn their houses down rape their daughters, salt their fields and thow dead bodies down their wells.
At the same time lets go on playing Aoc and give Fc more money, its not Fc's fault the game is bad its the tester's right? right?
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
I was in there all the way until i seen the last state it was in before i cancelled my preorder.
My reply was to the OP. You and I posted within seconds of each other.
Anyway, in the weeks before release, there were a number of testers on this very forum who were saying the game was not ready. The hardcore fanboys tried to shout us down. Where are those people now? Avery, I'm looking at you, among others. hehe.
Personally, I was hoping AoC would be worth playing, but I could tell from the so-called "open" beta that it was a mess and not worth buying.
Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
You still play AoC Xasapis, I remember you being the author of many a fanboish post pre-release, just curious.
O_o o_O
There is no way you can blame the beta testers for this. Testers have nothing to do with programming the game. During the beta for Auto Assault we were screaming at the devs to fix things. They never listened and released a crappy game anyway. Now they are gone. AOC will most likely go down the same path because they needed to get a product out that had been long delayed and they needed the money.
So no the testers are not to blame.
Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
Well, your several questions you stated at the start of the above quote you just answered with the remaining statement.
Ethics are not to actually take on test data anymore, they dont care.
How is it wayward, well its obvious. Compainies dont want the feedback, they just want ot release the game in what ever state it is in so they can make monies.
Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
I could not agree with jplayer more. You did specifically say should we blame them becuase they should have found this crap. If you are going to take aim at a community kparton, especially a community of gamers who obviously enjoy what they are doing and are upset that they were ignored by the devs do not back down from your statements when challenged.
So why blame the beta testers? You know for yourself that the developers are at fault.
i'll admit that many didnt tested anything, and just played... yet... there was more than enough feedback around for FC to be aware of problem that went from simple bugs to fundamental game mechanics.
crafting not working properly was repported, problems and inconsistencies with feats/talents or whatever people want to call them were pointed, lack of content was pointed, .. it is like i wrote.. most of the problems were pointed. both to funcom and to the community that, like someone said before, tried to shut and shot us down.
but in all honesty, you should not even make that question. Funcom didnt needed beta testers to see that they lacked content or that many things with the characters and crafting were dead, unless we want to admit that the devs dont even touch the things they create and there was not any form or concern about internal QA - what i'll tell you , doesnt happen with serious honest developers.
Congratulations!
This is the lamest idea I have seen on mmorpg.com (if not the whole internet) still!
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Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
I could not agree with jplayer more. You did specifically say should we blame them becuase they should have found this crap. If you are going to take aim at a community kparton, especially a community of gamers who obviously enjoy what they are doing and are upset that they were ignored by the devs do not back down from your statements when challenged.
I'm not backing down.
I wonder how many beta testers what you speak of bought the game at release? If every beta tester new the game was crap why buy it at release? I remember reading many posts from fanboy testers that praised the game and recommend it to the masses at release.
I'm sure theres a select many of you that are honest beta testers and again I applaud that... unfortunatly i'm asking whether we should blame the not so honest testers.
You still play AoC Xasapis, I remember you being the author of many a fanboish post pre-release, just curious.
I gave credit where credit was due and cleared miscoseptions as much as I was allowed from NDA. The only thing I defended is the right for diversity, which made me positively inclined towards AoC (same thing holds true for WAR, Aion and any new releases). If you check my history under the light of the things that everyone knows now, you'll see what I mean.
Due to work obligations I'm not playing any MMO atm. My limited free time is occuppied by TF2.
Stop backpeddling. Pick an argument and stick to it. First, it was the beta testers, then you said for yourself that the devs don't take the feedback (and only want to release asap for money), and now you're saying we should lay the blame on the "not-so-honest" beta testers.
It doesn't matter if there were people who were only in the beta to play. There were also people who did actually test it and point out a multitude of issues and bugs and problems. These testers even pointed it out on public forums like on MMORPG.com and nobody listened. Hell, I didn't give a rat's ass about AoC and I heard about the issues before launch. It's the developers' fault for not fixing and polishing the game properly before launch.
[edit] But regardless, giving anybody the blame is pointless now. Just unsubscribe from AoC if you're still playing it (stop giving money to the developers who released this MMO before it was ready), completely wipe AoC from your mind and look for something else to play. From what I've heard, Funcom hasn't improved AoC significantly to warrant any mercy or pardon (correct me if I'm wrong).
Thanks for answering my question jplayer01
And if anyone is still thinking of buying this game please just take $50 out of your wallet and wipe your ass with it. You will get the same result as you would have from Funcom.
I wish I'd done that before buying the game on launch.
50 Euros I'll never see again given to a dev which doesn't deserve it.
Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
I could not agree with jplayer more. You did specifically say should we blame them becuase they should have found this crap. If you are going to take aim at a community kparton, especially a community of gamers who obviously enjoy what they are doing and are upset that they were ignored by the devs do not back down from your statements when challenged.
I'm not backing down.
I wonder how many beta testers what you speak of bought the game at release? If every beta tester new the game was crap why buy it at release? I remember reading many posts from fanboy testers that praised the game and recommend it to the masses at release.
I'm sure theres a select many of you that are honest beta testers and again I applaud that... unfortunatly i'm asking whether we should blame the not so honest testers.
Did it every occur to you that testers had limitied access and that Funcom made a lot of promises and lies?
Sieges were supposed to have been tested by a limited group, not the regular testers. Itemization was promised to be added at launch, though it never came. Etc etc..
Stop supposing things you don't know anything about!
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CASUAL CONFESSIONS - Draccan's blog
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Don't take it the wrong way, I asked "should we.." not your to blame.
I'm just prompting a discussion on the ethics of testing and how wayward beta testing has become.
Ethics of testing? How wayward beta testing has become? What does that even mean? Beta testers can't do anything about it if the developer chooses to actively ignore bug reports. They're nothing but volunteers and so have no real influence on the game or its development. Beta testing as a process is fine if it's actually exploited as the valuable resource it is, but in AoC's/Funcom's case, it was nothing but PR, apparently.
Imo, it would be akin to shooting the messenger.
And looking at the first post, it's obvious you were implying that beta testers should be blamed (especially the last sentence). Beta testers != devs.
I could not agree with jplayer more. You did specifically say should we blame them becuase they should have found this crap. If you are going to take aim at a community kparton, especially a community of gamers who obviously enjoy what they are doing and are upset that they were ignored by the devs do not back down from your statements when challenged.
I'm not backing down.
I wonder how many beta testers what you speak of bought the game at release? If every beta tester new the game was crap why buy it at release? I remember reading many posts from fanboy testers that praised the game and recommend it to the masses at release.
I'm sure theres a select many of you that are honest beta testers and again I applaud that... unfortunatly i'm asking whether we should blame the not so honest testers.
Did it every occur to you that testers had limitied access and that Funcom made a lot of promises and lies?
Sieges were supposed to have been tested by a limited group, not the regular testers. Itemization was promised to be added at launch, though it never came. Etc etc..
Stop supposing things you don't know anything about!
well aslong as you all voted with your feet, thats all that matters. Hope you ALL wern't tarded enough to shel out the box fee.