forums are used to express opinions, i'd like to see what people actually beleive, but most people see cute screenshots and say "holy hell this game is gonna be teh kingz mein, i haz pre-ordered it"
A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't. We could be we can't.
But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs. How much would it cost to try it? The price of two dinners? It's new, many people playing say it's great? So what not just try it and then judge? I mean really.
Ya, I have to keep myself from replying to this thread with my opinions because of the NDA. I can't wait until it is lifted.
A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't. We could be we can't. But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs. How much would it cost to try it? The price of two dinners? It's new, many people playing say it's great? So what not just try it and then judge? I mean really.
GreenChaos, be fair.
I am pretty sure that it was you who told me "it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs" before when I had issues playing AoC. In fact, your entire post seems pulled out of the AoC forums a bit before and after its release.
The OP has very valid points about such things as the classes and the skirmishes, I absolutely see it for myself. I don't believe there is any real meaningful variety in the classes, and the skirmishes look exactly like WoW battlegrounds. All with slightly better graphics, but still.
There might be other aspects that still tip the scale in favor of WAR, and the points may not be as severe or detrimental, but I'm watching from the sidelines this time around.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
if only man, i heard they pay well - but no i just honestly dont see WAR being a good game
No WAR is not good game. WAR is great game!!!
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration ______\m/_____ LordOfDarkDesire
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
True but they'll still troll it anyway.
let um , i could care less ...
while they are here complaining im usually playing WAR and having a fooking blast
Originally posted by tr289 i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
Wellll, petaining to the OP, hes talking about completely revamping the original D&D inspired rules for an mmorpg. Um, incase you dont really notice bro, we like it that way, i like doing quests with a traditional healer, tank, dps group. As for the classes comments, how else are you gonna make a class? your talking about wanting all hybrids which in my experience *cough* EQ ranger *cough* lol just kidding, ranja fan myself =P, still in my experience suck in the end game. Nothing wrong with his post its actually very nice to see input but to be so ignorant and leftist about it is just plain wrong =(
MMORPGs have a base system, when your doing a series like Warhammer you need the traditional system to get the full experience. Healer is needed, tanks keeps agro off those squishies, dps deals the damage, CC is needed for adds, i mean come on what do you want man!?
There is nothing trollish about the OP, Yeah. Right. Whatever. He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
I assume the two points are:
a) the games gonna be a grind
b) the classes arent really unique
Well, since grind simply means an activity which is boring and not entertaining - but required to do certain other things.. its mostly down to opinion - and lets see, hmm is the final game out yet.. err.. no. This is what we mean when we say troll.
However, WAR does offer more choice that other MMO's. You can RvR or PvE in whatever distribution you wish. Games until now have REQUIRED PvE before you can access the PvP content.
The classes are more unique and interesting than many other MMO's out there. Perhaps you think theyre not revolutionary enough. Possibly, but right now whats important is a game comparable to WoW with decent RvR - and the classes are certainly a big step up from that.
As for class balance.. lets wait and see shall we?
You see.. the troll accusations are valid. The 'points' raised by the OP are really not worth highlighting AS ISSUES until after release (or OB).. if they are simply concerns.. then why not put them across as concerns. The OP seems pretty certain of things nobody except the devs can be certain of.. hence..
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
Here is a fanboi brain programming:
1) Search for "WAR is going to be GREAT" and variations.
SO what does it for you to post this? if you enjoy WoW and not interested in War then just keep playing it, do you get paid if this come true? or you just here posting about how bad every game beside WoW is and get your post counts up? that would be truly sad and you need to take a break from fourms and MMO's since your sense of accomplishments is getting out of hand o.o
Forums are for debating not for praising, that you can do in church.
every MMO has some type of grind. If there were no type of grind in an MMO what would keep a player playing all the time? players are always grinding for one reason or another....gear, lvl, money(farm) etc...
there will always be a FOTM when it comes to classes and builds and that will probably change as classes are being balanced out or when a player finds that one class that they really enjoy even though it ay not be as powerful as the next one. One more thing until you actually play the game I don't see how you can say "with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough*" .
...I'm having a blast as a beta tester and can'twait for NDA to be lifted so we can put alot of the trash talking to rest.
Warning: I am Dissing WAR I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash wow in this thread but i just forsee WAR being a big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other. Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the squig herder is against a shaman for dps it's obvious the shaman will be played more often "well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes" Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the marauder and the shaman but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat Now to compare it to everyone's favorite ashtray WoW, people complain about battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground mixed with an fps kind of landscape so it's like runescape+gunz. I dunno about all of you but i really do just see this game being another pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3. So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
You desperatly want to be right about something dont you? just once. lol
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash WAR in this thread but WOW is big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, all gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other.
Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the warlock is against a mage for pvp it's obvious the warlock will be played more often
"well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes"
Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the shaman and the warlock but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat
Now to compare it to everyone's favorite yet to be released game WAR, people complain about paltry 4 battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground except there is much more PvP, world objectives sieges, PvP quests and just a ton more to do in PvP.
I dunno about all of you but i really do just see WOW is a pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how WOW stole ideas and became succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3.
So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
if only man, i heard they pay well - but no i just honestly dont see WAR being a good game
who cares what you think, i think war will be great and more fun than any other mmo out right now...once again im glad me liking a game annoys you so much..war will be great with you or without.
I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is. Here are some of the things you can put on the scale: Things other MMO's have already done:
PvP Ranks (WoW to name one) PvP Experience City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago) Level-based progression (most MMO's) Talent Trees (Many MMO's) Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games) RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW. WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.) Questing (most MMO's)
So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR. Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea. I'll give you that. But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion. What WAR doesn't have:
Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO) Player Housing Player Cities Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway) Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.) Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)
Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint? I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out. But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
gardening lol, why would anyone want to do gardening in an mmo.
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
my post was not specifically directed at the OP . it was directed at trolls in general .
lol i hope he doesnt work for any companies (for their sake) it was hard to read the mess he wrote. the kid rly has no idea what hes talking about Pepsi Pwnz God....too much pepsi to the brain perhaps?
i've been brainwashed by coca cola more so than pepsi..pepsi is a poor mans coca cola
Warning: I am Dissing WAR I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash wow in this thread but i just forsee WAR being a big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other. Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the squig herder is against a shaman for dps it's obvious the shaman will be played more often "well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes" Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the marauder and the shaman but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat Now to compare it to everyone's favorite ashtray WoW, people complain about battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground mixed with an fps kind of landscape so it's like runescape+gunz. I dunno about all of you but i really do just see this game being another pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3. So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
If you see WAR as a grind, you simply must not enjoy PvP since the game is built ground up with PvP in mind, just like the classes have been built with PvP in mind.
In other words, you failz teh fread har har WoW speeeek iz cool bahhhh.... bahhhhh....
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Warning: I am Dissing WAR I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash wow in this thread but i just forsee WAR being a big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other. Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the squig herder is against a shaman for dps it's obvious the shaman will be played more often "well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes" Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the marauder and the shaman but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat Now to compare it to everyone's favorite ashtray WoW, people complain about battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground mixed with an fps kind of landscape so it's like runescape+gunz. I dunno about all of you but i really do just see this game being another pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3. So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
I highly doubt you were in beta. Its all a matter of opinion but I disagree with the grind statement. This is the first mmo I played that I did not feel the feeling of grind whatsoever. Why? Because if you want to strictly level through PVP when you are bored of PVE you can, and when you are tired of PVP and want to strictly level through PVE you can. So you can juggle between PVE and PVP when your in the mood for whichever one or mix both. Most mmos only give you the option of PVE for leveling.
Warning: I am Dissing WAR I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash wow in this thread but i just forsee WAR being a big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, beta gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other. Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the squig herder is against a shaman for dps it's obvious the shaman will be played more often "well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes" Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the marauder and the shaman but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat Now to compare it to everyone's favorite ashtray WoW, people complain about battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground mixed with an fps kind of landscape so it's like runescape+gunz. I dunno about all of you but i really do just see this game being another pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3. So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
You have researched this game quite a bit and your conclusions are that its going to be "pretty bad".
Interesting I have been following this game for over a year now, watched as many podcasts and done as much reading about the game as I could.
I didn't reach that conclusion at all. Matter of fact I was pretty excited about the whole thing. ^^
Personally..I have played Wow and cancelled it a couple months later, just to get that out of the way.
Guild Wars was fun for awhile, but the "template of the week" thinking pretty much drove me away....if I wanted a math game I would play one. Plus the insta-click the map for travel thing was immersion breaking for me ..GW is cancelled.
EQII wasn't that great at the start...but its better now than it was. That account is cancelled too.
But back to War ..that "pretty bad game".
As for your pairing up of certain classes against certain other classes.......how do you know what each one plays like? Have you been in beta? How do you know that a squig herder wouldn't hold his own against a Warhammer shaman?
Perhaps you have some latent psychic abilities? hehehe
Oh and last but not least...I can say I am in closed beta for War.....and I can say that everything you have posted is largely assumption and not fact.
But your loss if you choose not to buy the game or play. Noone is forcing you to do so.
Originally posted by Tawn47 I assume the two points are:
Alright, let me tell you what I have already taken away from your quoted statement:
1) You have no idea what the OP said, because you didn't read it.
2) You are going to hazard a few guesses, which implies that you and/or others have common concerns that have been brought up before, which further implies a legitimate debate over them.
3) You decided, lemming-like, to follow 14 pages of spam and call the OP a troll despite #1 and #2.
I have to say that this floored me, I should be used to it by now, but it is still shocking to see this kind of behavior repeated SO SOON after the last disaster.
But it didn't end there...
The OP seems pretty certain of things nobody except the devs can be certain of.. hence.. TROLL.
What are any of us doing here if we aren't supposed to speculate about the game? No, seriously, explain that one to me please.
There are tons of discussions on this board speculating about this and that, and some even over things that wound up being cut out later. The only difference I can see is that other discussions assume a more positive fate of the game.
Until this is explained, I don't think we can have a real discussion about the game.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
Alright, let me tell you what I have already taken away from your quoted statement:
1) You have no idea what the OP said, because you didn't read it.
2) You are going to hazard a few guesses, which implies that you and/or others have common concerns that have been brought up before, which further implies a legitimate debate over them.
3) You decided, lemming-like, to follow 14 pages of spam and call the OP a troll despite #1 and #2.
I have to say that this floored me, I should be used to it by now, but it is still shocking to see this kind of behavior repeated SO SOON after the last disaster.
But it didn't end there...
The OP seems pretty certain of things nobody except the devs can be certain of.. hence..
TROLL.
What are any of us doing here if we aren't supposed to speculate about the game? No, seriously, explain that one to me please.
There are tons of discussions on this board speculating about this and that, and some even over things that wound up being cut out later. The only difference I can see is that other discussions assume a more positive fate of the game.
Until this is explained, I don't think we can have a real discussion about the game.
I said that the OP seems 'pretty certain'. If he had expressed his comments as mere speculation or concerns - I wouldnt have had a problem. The OP trashed the game as if he knew what he was talking about.
The original post was designed to piss people off, not have a dicussion about why or how he thinks the game might have problems. Thats why he does not specify the source of problems or try to pin point how WAR could resolve said difficulties.
That makes him a troll. Not because he expressed a negative view - but because there was never any intention to have a reasonable discussion.
Oh and your initial points:
1) & 2) Clearly you dont have a good grasp of our conversation. Firstly, the initial post is not well written and unclear - and there are arguably more than 2 points he raises. What I am guessing / assuming is which 2 points YOU are referring to. Not him, you. For you to then extrpolate my use of the word 'assume' and take it to mean that I didnt read the first post.. I mean.. really.. use your head.. focus.
3) I gave my reasons and I havent read through the majority of the middle of this thread. I doubt you have either and it seems to me that you are the one who is acting in a lemming-like way, assuming that anyone who uses the word troll is using it illegitimately.
I know the phrase gets chucked around a lot on these forums.. but is there ever, in your opinion, a situation where the term troll can be used correctly and accurately?
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A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't. We could be we can't.
But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs. How much would it cost to try it? The price of two dinners? It's new, many people playing say it's great? So what not just try it and then judge? I mean really.
Ya, I have to keep myself from replying to this thread with my opinions because of the NDA. I can't wait until it is lifted.
Empire, Dwarf, Elf
I am pretty sure that it was you who told me "it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs" before when I had issues playing AoC. In fact, your entire post seems pulled out of the AoC forums a bit before and after its release.
The OP has very valid points about such things as the classes and the skirmishes, I absolutely see it for myself. I don't believe there is any real meaningful variety in the classes, and the skirmishes look exactly like WoW battlegrounds. All with slightly better graphics, but still.
There might be other aspects that still tip the scale in favor of WAR, and the points may not be as severe or detrimental, but I'm watching from the sidelines this time around.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
No WAR is not good game. WAR is great game!!!
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
______\m/_____
LordOfDarkDesire
i always kinda laugh to myself when i see most of the troll posts . not only will these same trolls be playing WAR once it's released , they will be enjoying it too .
True but they'll still troll it anyway.
True but they'll still troll it anyway.
let um , i could care less ...
while they are here complaining im usually playing WAR and having a fooking blast
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
Wellll, petaining to the OP, hes talking about completely revamping the original D&D inspired rules for an mmorpg. Um, incase you dont really notice bro, we like it that way, i like doing quests with a traditional healer, tank, dps group. As for the classes comments, how else are you gonna make a class? your talking about wanting all hybrids which in my experience *cough* EQ ranger *cough* lol just kidding, ranja fan myself =P, still in my experience suck in the end game. Nothing wrong with his post its actually very nice to see input but to be so ignorant and leftist about it is just plain wrong =(
MMORPGs have a base system, when your doing a series like Warhammer you need the traditional system to get the full experience. Healer is needed, tanks keeps agro off those squishies, dps deals the damage, CC is needed for adds, i mean come on what do you want man!?
I assume the two points are:
a) the games gonna be a grind
b) the classes arent really unique
Well, since grind simply means an activity which is boring and not entertaining - but required to do certain other things.. its mostly down to opinion - and lets see, hmm is the final game out yet.. err.. no. This is what we mean when we say troll.
However, WAR does offer more choice that other MMO's. You can RvR or PvE in whatever distribution you wish. Games until now have REQUIRED PvE before you can access the PvP content.
The classes are more unique and interesting than many other MMO's out there. Perhaps you think theyre not revolutionary enough. Possibly, but right now whats important is a game comparable to WoW with decent RvR - and the classes are certainly a big step up from that.
As for class balance.. lets wait and see shall we?
You see.. the troll accusations are valid. The 'points' raised by the OP are really not worth highlighting AS ISSUES until after release (or OB).. if they are simply concerns.. then why not put them across as concerns. The OP seems pretty certain of things nobody except the devs can be certain of.. hence..
TROLL.
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
Here is a fanboi brain programming:
1) Search for "WAR is going to be GREAT" and variations.
2) If yes, say similar.
3) If no, search for "WOW"
4) If yes, say "TROLL"
Forums are for debating not for praising, that you can do in church.
every MMO has some type of grind. If there were no type of grind in an MMO what would keep a player playing all the time? players are always grinding for one reason or another....gear, lvl, money(farm) etc...
there will always be a FOTM when it comes to classes and builds and that will probably change as classes are being balanced out or when a player finds that one class that they really enjoy even though it ay not be as powerful as the next one. One more thing until you actually play the game I don't see how you can say "with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough*" .
...I'm having a blast as a beta tester and can'twait for NDA to be lifted so we can put alot of the trash talking to rest.
You desperatly want to be right about something dont you? just once. lol
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
*shoots pepsipwnzgod with flintlock pistol* Evil has been cleansed, lets move on people.
Yes childish, but i have childish years left.
Warning: I am Dissing WOW
I honestly forsee this game being very bad, ive researched it quite a bit and i'm sure this forum wouldnt agree with me seeing as im not gonna bash WAR in this thread but WOW is big dissapointment, it's going to be a grind, no lie - dont tell yourself it wont be, all gamers can vouche for it, not only will it be a grind, it'll be a slow grind, with classes overranking each other.
Certain classes as in all games will be played over others, but in a game like this where things like the warlock is against a mage for pvp it's obvious the warlock will be played more often
"well it's all about your play style, that dictates what will be played over other classes"
Not really!! look at other games, one class is always praised over others and with a system with this with so many "unique" classes *cough* old classes being renamed *cough* many gamers will be swayed into playing the highly advertised classes like the shaman and the warlock but in all honesty the game will just be another ticktacktoe grinder ( i dunno if that's a new term it just made sense to me) Tank goes in, dps goes in, healer heals, mob dead, rinse repeat
Now to compare it to everyone's favorite yet to be released game WAR, people complain about paltry 4 battlegrounds in wow, but look at the pvp videos released on WAR it looks exactly like a battleground except there is much more PvP, world objectives sieges, PvP quests and just a ton more to do in PvP.
I dunno about all of you but i really do just see WOW is a pain of a grinder with lack luster quests being shaded by the idea that "lore makes a game" which is utter bull, look how WOW stole ideas and became succesful wow is - the only thing most gamers know about Warcraft lore was obtained from warcraft 1 through 3.
So sure it'll have a ton of subscriptions.. i mean who isnt looking for something good? i'm just saying it wont live as long or as steadily as many other games such as everquest 2 or guild wars for that matter..
flame away
who cares what you think, i think war will be great and more fun than any other mmo out right now...once again im glad me liking a game annoys you so much..war will be great with you or without.
do you even know anything about Warhammer ? you think they have time to go fishing ?? or go and spend time decorating there houses ?? It's war 24/7 if you have spare time you are looking for some one to kill or on the march to go kill some one you think you have the time to go on the lake to fish haha that is so stupid . you have no idea what the world is like in Warhammer go read a book or look on the Game's workshop site and get to know the Warhammer univers
gardening lol, why would anyone want to do gardening in an mmo.
There is nothing trollish about the OP, in fact it doesn't get much more vanilla than that unless you are intentionally trying to suck up and be apologistic to get the points across.
He has two solid points that have yet to be refuted or even marginalized, while there are something like 12 pages of people saying 'troll' over and over and over again. I think it's a little ironic.
my post was not specifically directed at the OP . it was directed at trolls in general .
lol i hope he doesnt work for any companies (for their sake)
it was hard to read the mess he wrote.
the kid rly has no idea what hes talking about
Pepsi Pwnz God....too much pepsi to the brain perhaps?
I play all ghame
i've been brainwashed by coca cola more so than pepsi..pepsi is a poor mans coca cola
If you see WAR as a grind, you simply must not enjoy PvP since the game is built ground up with PvP in mind, just like the classes have been built with PvP in mind.
In other words, you failz teh fread har har WoW speeeek iz cool bahhhh.... bahhhhh....
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I highly doubt you were in beta. Its all a matter of opinion but I disagree with the grind statement. This is the first mmo I played that I did not feel the feeling of grind whatsoever. Why? Because if you want to strictly level through PVP when you are bored of PVE you can, and when you are tired of PVP and want to strictly level through PVE you can. So you can juggle between PVE and PVP when your in the mood for whichever one or mix both. Most mmos only give you the option of PVE for leveling.
You have researched this game quite a bit and your conclusions are that its going to be "pretty bad".
Interesting I have been following this game for over a year now, watched as many podcasts and done as much reading about the game as I could.
I didn't reach that conclusion at all. Matter of fact I was pretty excited about the whole thing. ^^
Personally..I have played Wow and cancelled it a couple months later, just to get that out of the way.
Guild Wars was fun for awhile, but the "template of the week" thinking pretty much drove me away....if I wanted a math game I would play one. Plus the insta-click the map for travel thing was immersion breaking for me ..GW is cancelled.
EQII wasn't that great at the start...but its better now than it was. That account is cancelled too.
But back to War ..that "pretty bad game".
As for your pairing up of certain classes against certain other classes.......how do you know what each one plays like? Have you been in beta? How do you know that a squig herder wouldn't hold his own against a Warhammer shaman?
Perhaps you have some latent psychic abilities? hehehe
Oh and last but not least...I can say I am in closed beta for War.....and I can say that everything you have posted is largely assumption and not fact.
But your loss if you choose not to buy the game or play. Noone is forcing you to do so.
Cend
Alright, let me tell you what I have already taken away from your quoted statement:
1) You have no idea what the OP said, because you didn't read it.
2) You are going to hazard a few guesses, which implies that you and/or others have common concerns that have been brought up before, which further implies a legitimate debate over them.
3) You decided, lemming-like, to follow 14 pages of spam and call the OP a troll despite #1 and #2.
I have to say that this floored me, I should be used to it by now, but it is still shocking to see this kind of behavior repeated SO SOON after the last disaster.
But it didn't end there...
What are any of us doing here if we aren't supposed to speculate about the game? No, seriously, explain that one to me please.
There are tons of discussions on this board speculating about this and that, and some even over things that wound up being cut out later. The only difference I can see is that other discussions assume a more positive fate of the game.
Until this is explained, I don't think we can have a real discussion about the game.
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Alright, let me tell you what I have already taken away from your quoted statement:
1) You have no idea what the OP said, because you didn't read it.
2) You are going to hazard a few guesses, which implies that you and/or others have common concerns that have been brought up before, which further implies a legitimate debate over them.
3) You decided, lemming-like, to follow 14 pages of spam and call the OP a troll despite #1 and #2.
I have to say that this floored me, I should be used to it by now, but it is still shocking to see this kind of behavior repeated SO SOON after the last disaster.
But it didn't end there...
What are any of us doing here if we aren't supposed to speculate about the game? No, seriously, explain that one to me please.
There are tons of discussions on this board speculating about this and that, and some even over things that wound up being cut out later. The only difference I can see is that other discussions assume a more positive fate of the game.
Until this is explained, I don't think we can have a real discussion about the game.
I said that the OP seems 'pretty certain'. If he had expressed his comments as mere speculation or concerns - I wouldnt have had a problem. The OP trashed the game as if he knew what he was talking about.
The original post was designed to piss people off, not have a dicussion about why or how he thinks the game might have problems. Thats why he does not specify the source of problems or try to pin point how WAR could resolve said difficulties.
That makes him a troll. Not because he expressed a negative view - but because there was never any intention to have a reasonable discussion.
Oh and your initial points:
1) & 2) Clearly you dont have a good grasp of our conversation. Firstly, the initial post is not well written and unclear - and there are arguably more than 2 points he raises. What I am guessing / assuming is which 2 points YOU are referring to. Not him, you. For you to then extrpolate my use of the word 'assume' and take it to mean that I didnt read the first post.. I mean.. really.. use your head.. focus.
3) I gave my reasons and I havent read through the majority of the middle of this thread. I doubt you have either and it seems to me that you are the one who is acting in a lemming-like way, assuming that anyone who uses the word troll is using it illegitimately.
I know the phrase gets chucked around a lot on these forums.. but is there ever, in your opinion, a situation where the term troll can be used correctly and accurately?