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Will Cryptic deliver?
Narshe
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I was one of the many following STO's development for a number of years, being active on a few fan forums, getting really into it.. then Perpetual threw out the first ingame screenshot, and I cried. I will be honest and say that I've never played any of Cryptic's MMOs yet, but based on fan and game reviews, it seems like a really good company focused on fun gameplay. I have to say, the ingame screenshots they have posted on the new sto website look really great and polished already, and at least in my opinion, infinitely better than any of the ones Perpetual gave us. It looks like they're heading in the right direction... but I would like to know what peoples opinions are. Do you think Cryptic will deliver a quality MMO to both MMO and Star Trek fans, or focus more on "fun" gameplay instead of immersing the player in the science and lore of ST? Do you have faith in Cryptic?
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
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It's an amazingly complex and deep IP. And the fans will never be happy because their expectations will be in the clouds. I don't envy Cryptic's task.
I think Cryptic will deliver a fun game with a Star Trek feel. I don't think it will immerse anyone in the tech and lore of Star Trek but I do think they will deliver a fun game. I do not think it will immerse you for years of play, especially seeing them developing for consoles as well.
I have to disagree with you on that last part. Just because it is also being developed for consoles does not shorten it's lifespan. In fact with as advanced as consoles have become (Huge hard drives, ability to connect to the Internet, mouse and keyboard attachments) the console is almost as viable as the PC (notice I said almost).
Cryptic will be able to release expansioin for the pc as well as the consoles and I am betting you won't be able to tell a difference between the two if those console users are using a mouse/keyboard combo.
I have faith they'll deliver a fun MMO. I don't think it will be the type of MMO I'd like them to develope, but none-the-less I'm sure I'll play at launch and probably until the servers shut down because I'm a Star Trek geek. Of course I said I'd play SWG until the servers shut down too...that didn't happen.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
This is my biggest sci-fi following. More so then Star Wars.
So if they don't make a complete pile of trash, I will be getting this.
Only Cryptic game Ive ever played was CoX, and it sucked bad IMO. I just hope they come up with a better quest system than that.
I do believe they will do a good job though. (Mainly because its my only hope for a good Sci-fi MMO so I have no choice but to believe)
Just dont suck is all I ask
This is a little bit too much, too soon. I mean, seriously, you start casting doubt on a game less than 24 hours after it has been announced? For the faint of heart, YES this has just been announced.
So! Your review of the distant future summarized: blah blah blah blah blah...
This is not perpetual, this *certainly* isn't bioware, mythic, blizzard...
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This is a little bit too much, too soon. I mean, seriously, you start casting doubt on a game less than 24 hours after it has been announced? For the faint of heart, YES this has just been announced.
So! Your review of the distant future summarized: blah blah blah blah blah...
This is not perpetual, this *certainly* isn't bioware, mythic, blizzard...
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You obviously misunderstood a simple post. Where did I cast doubt or give a review of the future? I was just asking what people think of Cryptic.
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Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
Just having the website up they are already better than Perpetual was though.
i hope cryptic can deliver, but it seems like the success rate for MMORPGS is fairly low. i wish cryptic luck.
even devs and studios with established records can turn out the occassional bad game.
Which mmo Have they not been successful with ?? City of heroes was Very successful it just died down (but allot of people still play it) now but at release it was game of the year
i have high hopes for their up coming mmo's CO for one will be amazing if they do what they have promised and with COH already under their belt all they can possible do is improve it.
STO well thats along way away yet so time will tell.
MMO's iv played etc:
Currently playing:
.Lotro
Retired From best to worst:
.CoX, SWG, AoC, WoW, Eve online, R.O.S.E online, Kal Online, Runescape, Other F2P mmo's
Waiting for:
.SGW
.Champions Online
.DCUO
.Star Wars TOR
I'm not expecting a lot, to be honest. Going to show us a demo of gameplay on Aug 10, just a few months after getting the IP? City of Heroes didn't have a lot of depth to it, and if it's already at the stage where they can show us actual gameplay...
I have a nasty feeling that they're under the gun to have this thing released in time for the coming movie. And we know how well that always works out (points at the SWG Veterans forum).
Remember they bought all the code and rights from the other company too...
Which mmo Have they not been successful with ?? City of heroes was Very successful it just died down (but allot of people still play it) now but at release it was game of the year
i have high hopes for their up coming mmo's CO for one will be amazing if they do what they have promised and with COH already under their belt all they can possible do is improve it.
STO well thats along way away yet so time will tell.
I think what Hadrian means by successful is, good MMORPGS in his opinion. If thats true, I agree with him there aren't many GOOD mmorpgs. But, good is subjective of course. Just for example, I LOVE lotro, and absolutely HATE CoX and there are too many CoXs out there and VERY few lotro. Having this in mind for myself and all my friends who play MMOs the success rate is very low and the chances aren't great. But as Hadrian says, I wish them luck.
PS
It is an entirely DIFFERENT dev team for STO and CoX right? Because personally I dont want anyone who so much as got coffee for the the CoX team anywhere near STO.
/sarcasm
I read that they cant really use code from the other team in a Hailing Frequencies interview with some other dev type people BUT I wonder if thats true? Was Champs Online the BASE for Marvel Online? Was Cryptic already working on a sci-fi game and just switched it? Then again we have all heard rumors of Cryptic getting STO since Perpetual was publicly having trouble. Ill bet they have been working on it alot longer than we might think. Still I share your trepidation.
What do you guys mean there are no good mmo's?
WoW,EQ2,EVE,Lotro,DDO, Cov/coh, DAoC,
Hell even games that started out bad are looking good now, Vanguard and TR are doing ok.
Imo champions online,star trek online will be fun games with dedicated fans i say 100-500k subs and thats enough to make money and keep content rolling.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
QFT! +10
Windows + Console = FAIL!
by "success" i meant met players' and the market's expectations. in my opinion, games such as vanguard, dark & light, horizons/istaria, PotBS, AoC and TR failed to meet their potential.
and i was referring to MMORPGs in general, not to cryptic specifically. (although, i quit CoH after only three weeks.)
Capturing Star Trek in a video game is something many have tried, and no one has truly succeeded. Had I been Cryptic, I'd have passed on the project.
Here's hoping for the best and keeping an open mind, though!
Im not hoping for much, being it a console game port, and judging they took most of what has already been made.
I asume it be a thumped down game, with lots of instances, and evryone as captain where you just have a statistic NPC crew where you can invest skillpoints too.
Well, if you didn't expect so much, maybe you'd be less disappointed?
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The less you expect, the more you'll be surprised. Hopefully, pleasantly so.
In my oppinion, and this is really just my oppinion, Cryptic's design model for STO is inherently flawed and in a bad way.
My train of thought comes from my personal oppinion that fans of this genre (sci-fi) and most especially fans of this specific series, are by their very nature detail oriented. It seems to me that Cryptic is going for the easy way out by making everyone a captain and not allowing for in depth Start Trek universe to take it's own course played out by the players themselves.
We've seen this game before, Star Trek: Starfleet Command (and its' few sequels) are exactly in this veign and were (are) complete junk.
Personaly, this is just another of a long list of crappy game put on this poor fanchise that dates back to the early 80's. It's a shame and unless Cryptic has some sort of huge reversal on how they actually plan to develop this game, I can't see it becoming any better.
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For my humble epionion I hope so I am not really into pvp anymore at all so solo heavy content won't bother me as long as I at some time can control most ships solo and the quests are good and the game is stable they'll have a hard time messing up with me I love COH but there is so little else to do besides grind it get's boring but I have faith since they have so many other things they can do with this universe.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I want it to work so bad, but I can't see it. Star Trek has a strong following with encyclopedic knowledge of the lore, and then a much broader but shallower following who will like the idea of being a captain right away. But that approach is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what ST lore is all about. From the outside, it looks like it's aliens and phasers. But it's actually about something which COULD work as an MMO, but which at first glance seems utterly boring: careers. Seriously - most of Star Trek fiction, and a lot of the two decent shows (NGE, DS9), is all about the career choices and work relationships of the characters. Paragraph after paragraph of complicated soap-opera about difficult life choices. So the hardcore fans would get this, and it could be a fun little game - work your way up the ladder, instead of levels you get promotions, and new challenges, new postings. The casual fan would say, "WTF?" and walk away.
All this blather on my part doesn't even get into the problem most have rightly talked about, which is that ST has very few battles involving multiple ships, mostly it's tentative exploration followed by a snowballing crisis of some sort. A bunch of starships soaring around, or gathered near a planet, is totally not the atmosphere at all. Unless it's somehow very cleverly instanced, or there's some trick up Cryptic's sleeve which noe of us has thought of (fingers crossed), it's going to be a very, very silly game.