People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. » WRONG People who like the game DO visit forums, but you need to understand that those of us who enjoy the game kinda get tired of these wanna be gamers to alway's bash anything slightly positive, and often due to their lack of experiance they will resort to sad words like calling others who might enjoy the game fanboys, which only PROOFS the lack of experiance these people have with games in this genre. And sorry but each time someone makes a positive post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only accepted on forums like this when you bash a game cause lets face it by the looks of forums like this it looks as if it's better to bash a game then actualy enjoy it.
People who like the game DON'T visit THESE forums, but you need to understand that those of you who enjoy the game and are on these forums, I believe you are in denial. It's a simple concept. If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
And sorry but each time someone makes a negative post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only rejected on forums like this because then you are just a flaming troll rather than a person with an opinion.
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. » WRONG People who like the game DO visit forums, but you need to understand that those of us who enjoy the game kinda get tired of these wanna be gamers to alway's bash anything slightly positive, and often due to their lack of experiance they will resort to sad words like calling others who might enjoy the game fanboys, which only PROOFS the lack of experiance these people have with games in this genre. And sorry but each time someone makes a positive post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only accepted on forums like this when you bash a game cause lets face it by the looks of forums like this it looks as if it's better to bash a game then actualy enjoy it.
People who like the game DON'T visit THESE forums, but you need to understand that those of you who enjoy the game and are on these forums, I believe you are in denial. It's a simple concept. If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
And sorry but each time someone makes a negative post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only rejected on forums like this because then you are just a flaming troll rather than a person with an opinion.
If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
Not really, you just need to use a bit of common sense. Whilst it is possible to browse forums & even make posts throughout the day while you are at work, it obviously isn't possible to play the actual game all day because a) it probably would not be installed & b) you would almost certainly get fired.
Nice try at trying to twist someone else's words though, shame it failed miserably.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
People who like the game DON'T visit THESE forums, but you need to understand that those of you who enjoy the game and are on these forums, I believe you are in denial. It's a simple concept. If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous. And sorry but each time someone makes a negative post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only rejected on forums like this because then you are just a flaming troll rather than a person with an opinion.
So if someone enjoy's a game he should not visit forums but devote all his time towards playing that game?. Seems you really lack any form of experiance. But then again many people have such a narrowminded view that your comment didn't really suprise me.
Originally posted by LondonMagus If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
Not really, you just need to use a bit of common sense. Whilst it is possible to browse forums & even make posts throughout the day while you are at work, it obviously isn't possible to play the actual game all day because a) it probably would not be installed & b) you would almost certainly get fired. Nice try at trying to twist someone else's words though, shame it failed miserably.
Read "the game forums". So yes, people browse forums, but not these. I have never, ever in my life visited mmorpg.com when I was happy playing an MMO. That is reason enough for me to place MY OPINION on these boards regarding MY EXPERIENCE with this topic. And I enjoyed my little play on words, it wasn't meant to twist his, but only show the other side and why both posting positively and negatively on these boards gets you labeled as a troll or a fanboy. There is no middle ground!
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
"People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. " statement comes from a basic marketing rule, however it does not imply the whole story behind it.
In marketing, there is a rule for word of mouth:
- For every 10 complaining customers spreading words about how dissatisfied they were with a product, there will be only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word.
That is one of the basic mottos of marketing. It demonstrates the situation. For all products this can be said, but of course for one particular product the average might be different.
For example, for automobiles the ratio might be Negative : Positive = 5 : 1.
For services, this ratio becomes more and more important. Have a look at movies for example, word of mouth is very important for movies. MMOs are also services, so I can clearly state that "For every 20 (or more) complaining customers spreading the hate (=hateboi), you will have only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word (=fanboi)."
Hateboi : Fanboi ~ 20 : 1 for a typical MMO.
However, if the service is really above expectations and there can be only few negative implications, then the Hateboi : Fanboi ratio decreases. For example WoW has an average Hateboi : Fanboi ratio of 5 : 1 probably.
In either case, an INTELLIGENT customer neither listens to the hatebois nor fanbois, but filters this information for his own choices.
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Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
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I don't know where the numbers come from, but it makes sense to me Xtort. I can think of all the things I have bought online. For example newegg.com. I've purchased 10-20 things on there. All of which I was satisfied with and I never left a positive comment on their website. On the flip-side I recently saw The Dark Knight and I am telling everyone I know to go see it because I thought it was a great movie. So yea, I agree with the idea, although skeptical of the actual numbers (unless they are just used for example.)
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
Originally posted by LondonMagus If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
Not really, you just need to use a bit of common sense. Whilst it is possible to browse forums & even make posts throughout the day while you are at work, it obviously isn't possible to play the actual game all day because a) it probably would not be installed & b) you would almost certainly get fired. Nice try at trying to twist someone else's words though, shame it failed miserably.
Read "the game forums". So yes, people browse forums, but not these. I have never, ever in my life visited mmorpg.com when I was happy playing an MMO. That is reason enough for me to place MY OPINION on these boards regarding MY EXPERIENCE with this topic. And I enjoyed my little play on words, it wasn't meant to twist his, but only show the other side and why both posting positively and negatively on these boards gets you labeled as a troll or a fanboy. There is no middle ground!
Fine so you haven't ever visited these boards whilst you were happy playing an MMO, but it would be a very dull world if everyone was the same & since other people do not necessarily share your motivations, the whole basis of your argument is flawed.
Personally I like to play Devil's Advocate in arguments, which is why I play a Demonologist.
As for the last point about there being no middle ground, I disagree entirely. In my opinion the whole 'Hateboi Vs Fanboi' thing pretty bizarre, it's a game not a religion & whilst I currently enjoy playing AoC, I have no loyalty to it whatsoever & would happily switch games if something better came along.
This isn't a poor reflection on AoC as I would say the same about anything, since MMO games are a pastime & nothing else. Maybe people that think of themselves as 'Hardcore' feel differently & are only capable of fanatical love or hate, but for the 'Casual' people who now form the majority of players & who are the real target audience for the game developers, such extremes just seem silly.
Just my opinions of course.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
yes, people browse forums, but not these. I have never, ever in my life visited mmorpg.com when I was happy playing an MMO. That is reason enough for me to place MY OPINION on these boards regarding MY EXPERIENCE with this topic. And I enjoyed my little play on words, it wasn't meant to twist his, but only show the other side and why both posting positively and negatively on these boards gets you labeled as a troll or a fanboy. There is no middle ground!
I agree there doesnt seem to be a middle ground for the labelling
I'm always visiting forums
I sometimes dont visit these specific forums as much as fansite forums
(good example would be I prefer the Guild Wars Riverside forums)
- depends on the information being discussed, altho I doubt AOC fans will find much info here
I do follow the AOC forum more than any other on mmorpg.com
I dont hate AOC but I no longer sub - I will even defend Funcom if I see a statement being twisted too much (which is why I agree with your statement about labelling here)
Ive been accused of being both a troll and a fan (depending what I say)
"People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. " statement comes from a basic marketing rule, however it does not imply the whole story behind it. In marketing, there is a rule for word of mouth: - For every 10 complaining customers spreading words about how dissatisfied they were with a product, there will be only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word. That is one of the basic mottos of marketing. It demonstrates the situation. For all products this can be said, but of course for one particular product the average might be different. For example, for automobiles the ratio might be Negative : Positive = 5 : 1. For services, this ratio becomes more and more important. Have a look at movies for example, word of mouth is very important for movies. MMOs are also services, so I can clearly state that "For every 20 (or more) complaining customers spreading the hate (=hateboi), you will have only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word (=fanboi)." Hateboi : Fanboi ~ 20 : 1 for a typical MMO. However, if the service is really above expectations and there can be only few negative implications, then the Hateboi : Fanboi ratio decreases. For example WoW has an average Hateboi : Fanboi ratio of 5 : 1 probably. In either case, an INTELLIGENT customer neither listens to the hatebois nor fanbois, but filters this information for his own choices.
Discriminating viewers of forum content also know that some individuals rip on a game (or anything else) as a cheap and faclie way to appear tough and sophisticated.
Forums are mainly used for whining (trolls) and occassionally used for praising (fanbois). I think its true that MOST people enjoy the game play it. and people who don't stop playing and go and whine on the forums. obviously thats not true for everyone (hence the most, I know one of you retards is gona miss that most!).
Forums are mainly used for whining (trolls) and occassionally used for praising (fanbois). I think its true that MOST people enjoy the game play it. and people who don't stop playing and go and whine on the forums. obviously thats not true for everyone (hence the most, I know one of you retards is gona miss that most!).
Unprovable statement. The retention numbers are closely guarded secret. Most polls and XFire Tracking I have seen for AoC have 50% plus quitting before the free month ran out. Does that mean it's an actual number no, but it does hint towards that "MOST" people are not enjoying the game.
Unfortunately I cannot say that as fact, the same as you cannot say the opposite. Hopefully Funcom will give some sort of retention statement in its 2nd Quarter Profit Statement which I believe is due the first week of August.
Just thought I'd add this Thread from the AoC forums. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=146396 I don't know how long it will last before being deleted but the example of whole guilds collapsing should be a big warning sign.
Age of Conan is a great game, its not even been officaly released for 3 months yet.
Its a great game and funcom is very known for adding many new things to its games as the games progress,
Most of the people who are playing the game are having to much fun to bother with coming to forums to post. You really need to get past the newb area, Over level 20 before you can really say much about the game and then you really need to play to level 50 atleast before saying its crap or its good
most of the comments i ve read about conan on here have been fair.
there 3 facts about this game
1/there are some great ideas in it . it looks impressive and the gameplay has some very good innovations in it
2/in its present form it is a pay to play beta . the game is bugged to hell yes but the biggest problem is the game engine . i m told the bugs are relativly easy to fix which is what funcom are doing now . the game engine will be a lot harder to sort out
3/ the high system specs needed to run it well mean a lot of people are seeing funcoms required specs and are finding its impossible to play ( although i ve tried it on a machine i have thars somewhere in the middle of required and recomended and i did nt find it acceptable even at the lower details) so you really do need a beast of a machine to play it ( of course depending on whats personally acceptable to you).
i m not sure if the rumours about funcom being in trouble financially are true i certainly think they know the product is substandard and thats why they are endvouring to get as much capitol back from game sales and the 2.99 download for the client .
one thing i m certain of conan will be around for a few years even if funcom does go broke (i m sure some ofther company will take it on ). level of subs will proberbly be around those of vanguard or maybe lord of the rings if its lucky .
the games essentially a moderate success . its done well in sales but that does nt appear to be translated into subscriptions . once again a game released too early and with specs that were not in reach of the average home pc (which is what it needs to be able to play on to be a success as an mmo)
Another thing, anyone who trys to compare a game that's just released not even 3 months ago. to games such as Wow that's been out for years.
Are total freaken idiots.
I Bet allot of you didn't know WOW had a very bad start and allot of people hated it as well. but now years later its had many patches to fix problems it had at release and its had expansion.
Funcom is very good with their games. They have keep anarchy-Online gone for years since 01. its got allot of content and allot of other things and many expansions.
I can tell you form experience Funcom will do the same with AOC.
Anyone who thinks a MMORPG game is going to be released and run like one that's been around for years needs to turn off their computer and stop playing online.
Another thing, anyone who trys to compare a game that's just released not even 3 months ago. to games such as Wow that's been out for years. Are total freaken idiots.
I Bet allot of you didn't know WOW had a very bad start and allot of people hated it as well. but now years later its had many patches to fix problems it had at release and its had expansion. Funcom is very good with their games. They have keep anarchy-Online gone for years since 01. its got allot of content and allot of other things and many expansions. I can tell you form experience Funcom will do the same with AOC.
Anyone who thinks a MMORPG game is going to be released and run like one that's been around for years needs to turn off their computer and stop playing online.
So you're comparing Blizzards FIRST attempt at an mmo to Funcoms SECOND attempt?
You also fail to mention all of the beta bugs that're STILL in Anarchy Online. Funcom just adds content on top of old bugs in hopes that people will forget about them.
You know, kinda like how they're going to add the legendary sieges and stuff, when their core game isn't even working correctly.
You need opinions on both sides of the fence....If all teh naysayers go away and all you get is "gee this game is the greatest game ever there isnt a single thing wrong with it" then you are misleading people and not telling the truth.......IF there was a product on the market that you bought and it was bad wouldnt you want people to let you know about it???.....Do you jsut want "everything is beautiful" posts then when you discover they arent you feel betrayed??? Dont you think its fair for players that have played to level 80 to let lower level players know what the y can expect??
Another thing, anyone who trys to compare a game that's just released not even 3 months ago. to games such as Wow that's been out for years. Are total freaken idiots.
I Bet allot of you didn't know WOW had a very bad start and allot of people hated it as well. but now years later its had many patches to fix problems it had at release and its had expansion. Funcom is very good with their games. They have keep anarchy-Online gone for years since 01. its got allot of content and allot of other things and many expansions. I can tell you form experience Funcom will do the same with AOC.
Anyone who thinks a MMORPG game is going to be released and run like one that's been around for years needs to turn off their computer and stop playing online.
Word to the wise - Don't call people "freaken idiots" if you type like a 3rd grader with dyslexia.
Vanguard Age of Connan What will be next????? Look up beating a dead horse Thread for the Hint.
Vanguard actually > AoC right now. I'm a pvp'er, but decided to try the game during SOE's veterans return thing, and I must say, it has very good pve. I was way more into the storyline, even without voice-overs.
Evidently, the people who like the game don't buy Funcom stock. After rising to $55 a share on fanboi hype for AoC, it has now fallen back down to around $24 a share.
I think that's more telling than who posts on a forum and who does not.
Actually no, its just FC fault for hyping features that werent there and misleading customers. Add to that releasing to early and making people pay for beta and you ave the holy trnity of how to get marked as a very bad company.
Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums or visit sites.
Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised. The advertising is what made them want to buy it in the first place.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually no, its just FC fault for hyping features that werent there and misleading customers. Add to that releasing to early and making people pay for beta and you ave the holy trnity of how to get marked as a very bad company.
Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually no, its just FC fault for hyping features that werent there and misleading customers. Add to that releasing to early and making people pay for beta and you ave the holy trnity of how to get marked as a very bad company.
Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
Oh come on. Now that's being disingenuous and really grasping at thin air. You're seriously using semantics to argue the case for FC?
If I see a game box and it says "enhanced for DX10" I'm going to assume - and I'm sure most anyone else is - that DX10 is supported. Why the hell would they enhance the game for something that isn't supported? Is there a * anywhere noted with "DX10 not yet supported"? Not that I recall from looking at the box. That's just a ridiculous and really weak counter-argument.
If one has to invoke semantics and hide behind something on par with "the meaning of the word 'is" to pose a defense, there really isn't a defense to be made at all. It boils down to them advertising something on the box that then wasn't delivered on.
And, *knowing* the circumstances behind it, it really makes that a very weak rebuttal.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually no, its just FC fault for hyping features that werent there and misleading customers. Add to that releasing to early and making people pay for beta and you ave the holy trnity of how to get marked as a very bad company.
Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
Oh come on. Now that's being disingenuous and really grasping at thin air. You're using semantics to argue the case for FC?
If I see a game box and it says "enhanced for DX10" I'm going to assume - and I'm sure most anyone else is - that DX10 is supported. Why the hell would they enhance the game for something that isn't supported? That's just a ridiculous and really weak counter-argument.
If one has to go to those lengths to pose a defense, there really isn't a defense to be made at all.
That's not my argument , It's yours. If your taking them to court over what it says on the box , You're setting up that argument . Especially considering this is software that the user knows will evolve . The only piece of evidence here your taking into account is that box , So it's exact wording will be the most important aspect of your case, You don't think it would be used against you at the same time?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. » RIGHT
People who like the game DON'T visit THESE forums, but you need to understand that those of you who enjoy the game and are on these forums, I believe you are in denial. It's a simple concept. If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
And sorry but each time someone makes a negative post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only rejected on forums like this because then you are just a flaming troll rather than a person with an opinion.
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. » RIGHT
People who like the game DON'T visit THESE forums, but you need to understand that those of you who enjoy the game and are on these forums, I believe you are in denial. It's a simple concept. If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
And sorry but each time someone makes a negative post or wants to share some of his or her opinion it's only rejected on forums like this because then you are just a flaming troll rather than a person with an opinion.
If you LIKE a game, you either play it or browse the game forums. You want to play your game, but keep an eye on other games and people's ideas about the game you yourself like? That just seems ridiculous.
Not really, you just need to use a bit of common sense. Whilst it is possible to browse forums & even make posts throughout the day while you are at work, it obviously isn't possible to play the actual game all day because a) it probably would not be installed & b) you would almost certainly get fired.
Nice try at trying to twist someone else's words though, shame it failed miserably.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
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So if someone enjoy's a game he should not visit forums but devote all his time towards playing that game?. Seems you really lack any form of experiance. But then again many people have such a narrowminded view that your comment didn't really suprise me.
Read "the game forums". So yes, people browse forums, but not these. I have never, ever in my life visited mmorpg.com when I was happy playing an MMO. That is reason enough for me to place MY OPINION on these boards regarding MY EXPERIENCE with this topic. And I enjoyed my little play on words, it wasn't meant to twist his, but only show the other side and why both posting positively and negatively on these boards gets you labeled as a troll or a fanboy. There is no middle ground!
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
"People who like the game don't come to the forums. That's all. " statement comes from a basic marketing rule, however it does not imply the whole story behind it.
In marketing, there is a rule for word of mouth:
- For every 10 complaining customers spreading words about how dissatisfied they were with a product, there will be only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word.
That is one of the basic mottos of marketing. It demonstrates the situation. For all products this can be said, but of course for one particular product the average might be different.
For example, for automobiles the ratio might be Negative : Positive = 5 : 1.
For services, this ratio becomes more and more important. Have a look at movies for example, word of mouth is very important for movies. MMOs are also services, so I can clearly state that "For every 20 (or more) complaining customers spreading the hate (=hateboi), you will have only 1 satisfied customer spreading positive word (=fanboi)."
Hateboi : Fanboi ~ 20 : 1 for a typical MMO.
However, if the service is really above expectations and there can be only few negative implications, then the Hateboi : Fanboi ratio decreases. For example WoW has an average Hateboi : Fanboi ratio of 5 : 1 probably.
In either case, an INTELLIGENT customer neither listens to the hatebois nor fanbois, but filters this information for his own choices.
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I don't know where the numbers come from, but it makes sense to me Xtort. I can think of all the things I have bought online. For example newegg.com. I've purchased 10-20 things on there. All of which I was satisfied with and I never left a positive comment on their website. On the flip-side I recently saw The Dark Knight and I am telling everyone I know to go see it because I thought it was a great movie. So yea, I agree with the idea, although skeptical of the actual numbers (unless they are just used for example.)
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
Read "the game forums". So yes, people browse forums, but not these. I have never, ever in my life visited mmorpg.com when I was happy playing an MMO. That is reason enough for me to place MY OPINION on these boards regarding MY EXPERIENCE with this topic. And I enjoyed my little play on words, it wasn't meant to twist his, but only show the other side and why both posting positively and negatively on these boards gets you labeled as a troll or a fanboy. There is no middle ground!
Fine so you haven't ever visited these boards whilst you were happy playing an MMO, but it would be a very dull world if everyone was the same & since other people do not necessarily share your motivations, the whole basis of your argument is flawed.
Personally I like to play Devil's Advocate in arguments, which is why I play a Demonologist.
As for the last point about there being no middle ground, I disagree entirely. In my opinion the whole 'Hateboi Vs Fanboi' thing pretty bizarre, it's a game not a religion & whilst I currently enjoy playing AoC, I have no loyalty to it whatsoever & would happily switch games if something better came along.
This isn't a poor reflection on AoC as I would say the same about anything, since MMO games are a pastime & nothing else. Maybe people that think of themselves as 'Hardcore' feel differently & are only capable of fanatical love or hate, but for the 'Casual' people who now form the majority of players & who are the real target audience for the game developers, such extremes just seem silly.
Just my opinions of course.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
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I agree there doesnt seem to be a middle ground for the labelling
I'm always visiting forums
I sometimes dont visit these specific forums as much as fansite forums
(good example would be I prefer the Guild Wars Riverside forums)
- depends on the information being discussed, altho I doubt AOC fans will find much info here
I do follow the AOC forum more than any other on mmorpg.com
I dont hate AOC but I no longer sub - I will even defend Funcom if I see a statement being twisted too much (which is why I agree with your statement about labelling here)
Ive been accused of being both a troll and a fan
(depending what I say)
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Discriminating viewers of forum content also know that some individuals rip on a game (or anything else) as a cheap and faclie way to appear tough and sophisticated.
Forums are mainly used for whining (trolls) and occassionally used for praising (fanbois). I think its true that MOST people enjoy the game play it. and people who don't stop playing and go and whine on the forums. obviously thats not true for everyone (hence the most, I know one of you retards is gona miss that most!).
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Unprovable statement. The retention numbers are closely guarded secret. Most polls and XFire Tracking I have seen for AoC have 50% plus quitting before the free month ran out. Does that mean it's an actual number no, but it does hint towards that "MOST" people are not enjoying the game.
Unfortunately I cannot say that as fact, the same as you cannot say the opposite. Hopefully Funcom will give some sort of retention statement in its 2nd Quarter Profit Statement which I believe is due the first week of August.
Just thought I'd add this Thread from the AoC forums. http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=146396 I don't know how long it will last before being deleted but the example of whole guilds collapsing should be a big warning sign.
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uups. i thought this is a forum for mature gamers, but i stepped trough the gates of Kindergarten.
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Age of Conan is a great game, its not even been officaly released for 3 months yet.
Its a great game and funcom is very known for adding many new things to its games as the games progress,
Most of the people who are playing the game are having to much fun to bother with coming to forums to post. You really need to get past the newb area, Over level 20 before you can really say much about the game and then you really need to play to level 50 atleast before saying its crap or its good
most of the comments i ve read about conan on here have been fair.
there 3 facts about this game
1/there are some great ideas in it . it looks impressive and the gameplay has some very good innovations in it
2/in its present form it is a pay to play beta . the game is bugged to hell yes but the biggest problem is the game engine . i m told the bugs are relativly easy to fix which is what funcom are doing now . the game engine will be a lot harder to sort out
3/ the high system specs needed to run it well mean a lot of people are seeing funcoms required specs and are finding its impossible to play ( although i ve tried it on a machine i have thars somewhere in the middle of required and recomended and i did nt find it acceptable even at the lower details) so you really do need a beast of a machine to play it ( of course depending on whats personally acceptable to you).
i m not sure if the rumours about funcom being in trouble financially are true i certainly think they know the product is substandard and thats why they are endvouring to get as much capitol back from game sales and the 2.99 download for the client .
one thing i m certain of conan will be around for a few years even if funcom does go broke (i m sure some ofther company will take it on ). level of subs will proberbly be around those of vanguard or maybe lord of the rings if its lucky .
the games essentially a moderate success . its done well in sales but that does nt appear to be translated into subscriptions . once again a game released too early and with specs that were not in reach of the average home pc (which is what it needs to be able to play on to be a success as an mmo)
nice try but could ve been better
Another thing, anyone who trys to compare a game that's just released not even 3 months ago. to games such as Wow that's been out for years.
Are total freaken idiots.
I Bet allot of you didn't know WOW had a very bad start and allot of people hated it as well. but now years later its had many patches to fix problems it had at release and its had expansion.
Funcom is very good with their games. They have keep anarchy-Online gone for years since 01. its got allot of content and allot of other things and many expansions.
I can tell you form experience Funcom will do the same with AOC.
Anyone who thinks a MMORPG game is going to be released and run like one that's been around for years needs to turn off their computer and stop playing online.
So you're comparing Blizzards FIRST attempt at an mmo to Funcoms SECOND attempt?
You also fail to mention all of the beta bugs that're STILL in Anarchy Online. Funcom just adds content on top of old bugs in hopes that people will forget about them.
You know, kinda like how they're going to add the legendary sieges and stuff, when their core game isn't even working correctly.
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What will be next?????
Look up beating a dead horse Thread for the Hint.
You need opinions on both sides of the fence....If all teh naysayers go away and all you get is "gee this game is the greatest game ever there isnt a single thing wrong with it" then you are misleading people and not telling the truth.......IF there was a product on the market that you bought and it was bad wouldnt you want people to let you know about it???.....Do you jsut want "everything is beautiful" posts then when you discover they arent you feel betrayed??? Dont you think its fair for players that have played to level 80 to let lower level players know what the y can expect??
Word to the wise - Don't call people "freaken idiots" if you type like a 3rd grader with dyslexia.
Vanguard actually > AoC right now. I'm a pvp'er, but decided to try the game during SOE's veterans return thing, and I must say, it has very good pve. I was way more into the storyline, even without voice-overs.
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Evidently, the people who like the game don't buy Funcom stock. After rising to $55 a share on fanboi hype for AoC, it has now fallen back down to around $24 a share.
I think that's more telling than who posts on a forum and who does not.
Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums or visit sites.
Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised. The advertising is what made them want to buy it in the first place.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
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Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
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Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
Oh come on. Now that's being disingenuous and really grasping at thin air. You're seriously using semantics to argue the case for FC?
If I see a game box and it says "enhanced for DX10" I'm going to assume - and I'm sure most anyone else is - that DX10 is supported. Why the hell would they enhance the game for something that isn't supported? Is there a * anywhere noted with "DX10 not yet supported"? Not that I recall from looking at the box. That's just a ridiculous and really weak counter-argument.
If one has to invoke semantics and hide behind something on par with "the meaning of the word 'is" to pose a defense, there really isn't a defense to be made at all. It boils down to them advertising something on the box that then wasn't delivered on.
And, *knowing* the circumstances behind it, it really makes that a very weak rebuttal.
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Nope, it's the person who bought it who is the guilty one, cause most of these complainers totally seem to lack any form of taking responsibility upon their own actions,and then feel lost to whine about it on public forums. And geez people still fall for hype, kinda sad, especialy when someone is older then 18 years old, I can understand that certain younger kids might fall for hype, that can happen, but to see that many adults fall for hype does make it abit sad for me cause it's strange to have these type of people actualy into games.
Not if that person made that purchase based on features advertised before the product shipped and then found some of those promised features missing.
That is most certainly the fault of the company for not delivering on what they advertised.
Even someone going into the store and buying the game, sight-unseen, based on what the box advertised just to log in and find those things missing, that's still the company's fault.
You can't say "well it's been all over the forums so there was no excuse"... There are people who don't read forums. Some people will go into a game store, or a Best Buy, or whatever simply looking for something new to play. They see the box, think "Oh hey I love Conan"... look at the box, read the features, etc... and buy it based on that. It's not their fault the game doesn't deliver on what the box advertised.
It comes back to the company advertising a game with features that they then failed to deliver on.
I'm all for personal accountability and taking responsibility... but in a case like this, it's not the customer's responsibility to know that what is printed on a retail box isn't actually in the game. It's the company's responsibility to make sure what's printed on the retail box is actually present in the game.
You have a good point yet there are two small details you left out , The writing on the box does say enhanced for dx10 , Which is a true statement. It doesn't say DX10 Supported however, It also says escalate into MASSIVE seige battles . Which to me says in the future , Seige battles are in the game just not on a MASSIVE scale yet. So it becomes an issue of semantics really , He who's lawyer has a greater grasp on the english language wins hands down.
Oh come on. Now that's being disingenuous and really grasping at thin air. You're using semantics to argue the case for FC?
If I see a game box and it says "enhanced for DX10" I'm going to assume - and I'm sure most anyone else is - that DX10 is supported. Why the hell would they enhance the game for something that isn't supported? That's just a ridiculous and really weak counter-argument.
If one has to go to those lengths to pose a defense, there really isn't a defense to be made at all.
That's not my argument , It's yours. If your taking them to court over what it says on the box , You're setting up that argument . Especially considering this is software that the user knows will evolve . The only piece of evidence here your taking into account is that box , So it's exact wording will be the most important aspect of your case, You don't think it would be used against you at the same time?
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