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Bruceybaby
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I was scammed for a lot of isk from Goonfleet. A lot of isk to ME that is.
What i don't understand is how people can be so insensitive - especially since Goonfleet is meant to be the best corp out there and should be upholding some kind of standard. Even worse, after visiting their 'scam' forum, I see that it is common place for them to scam noobs.... they seem to get more of a kick out of scamming than playing the actual game.
We are effectively paying real money for everything we do in the game, so scamming someone is just as bad as scamming someone in real life and you can go to prison for stuff like that. Unfortunately, however, scamming isn't illegal in EVE for some reason.
It's just pure evil. Despite it being little money to them (and big money to me), they still steal, seemingly just for the purpose of making others feel bad. I just can't comprehend the kind of people that would do this. I only gave them my money because of what i thought was a good reputation and because I didn't think someone could be that deceitful, especially to a relatively new character such as myself. Moreover, I left the WoW community specifically for the reason that it was full of 15 yr old assholes and had read that the EVE community was a lot more mature and hardcore in terms of gaming.
What's even worse, is that after having watched videos of goonfleet on youtube, I had such profound respect for them. In my 10 years of playing MMOs, i've never come across such a big/organized group of players. This incident has really broken me, especially since I was befriended before the scam took place.
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That really sucks! I'm really sorry that happened to you.
Please take heart though, there are many, many more good players than the few bad apples you ran across. It may be hard right now, but you need to pick yourself up, start over if you need to, and don't let these turds get to you.
Good luck!
I am assuming the scam you are talking about is paying them ISK as part of the Recruitment process.
If so then You should have read about their corp more. They do not recruit. They only accept memebers that have been apart of their community for 3 to 6 months and that someone in the corp knows or will sponser.
It sucks. I am a new player but I joined EvE University and they are a great help in not only learning the ropes of EvE but letting us new players know about scams like these.
Sooner or Later
i was in recruitment channel posting my skill points when I was convo'd by one of your members.
There was no recruitment fee.
He asked me for millions of isk for a 'docking charge', which I thought was needed to transport myself to a Player owned station (yours). I had no idea.
Thanks for being so understanding eschiava, i've had a really bad day
I dont know how much u lost but this could be a useful lesson for the future; after all what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Most of us also been scammed several times in my lifetime but have also understood the worst way to handle the situation it is to get pissed off too long.
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Firebrawn. You were mis-led, Goons have the worst reputation across all games they infest and near as I can tell, scamming noobs in recruitment channel is actually sort of a hazing ritual, everyone has to do it sometime to advance in their ranks.
This doesn't mean they aren't great fighters, they most certainly are, but in the category of nice guys, definitely sitting at the bottom, right below pond scum.
Actually, they don't even consider this a scam, because if you look at the "description field" about their alliance (goonfleet or goonswarm, can't recall) it states only one thing. A short sentence that says "Goonfleet does not open recruit" So they figure its your own fault if you get scammed. And CCP will do nothing, because you are correct, scamming is legal in EVE.
There's a whole bunch of other scams in EVE, and you got nailed by only one of them. It was an expensive lession, and like another poster said, join EVE University and they'll quickly educate you on the many scams being run in EVE. They won't charge you anything to join and their assistance is freely given.
I know it hurts, but now you can look at the bright side, you have a goal, to take down Goons wherever you may find them. BOB is the largest alliance out there current at war with the Goons, ultimately I recommend you make your way to one of their many allied corps and join in the fight. One day you can take pleasure getting the final kill mail on a Goonfleet ship.
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Come now, i find op`s post midly amusing. To think goons are a honorable bunch when all of Eve-O forums scream of their scams - just lol. and this thread should be stickied to make sure that other "naive" players as the OP dont get in his shoes.
I'm not from Goons and I don't scam people (atleast haven't though about it).
Thank you Kyleran, that's the most useful thing i've heard all day, thank you
Bob, who scammed a titan.
Yep, totally worth trying to get in there. I really don't know which alliance to detest more. Scamming, metagaming smacktards like bob, or scamming, smacking metagamers like goons.
Scamming is a part of eve, you will have to do your research and trust absolutely nobody, especially not if they can get your money. Paranoia is a good thing. Get a small or medium sized friendly corp. As a rule of thumb, the less you hear from them on the forums chestbeating, the better they are as a place to be in. Good corps give you stuff, not take it from you.
HAHAHAHA owned. Q_Q more.
It's one of the interesting aspects of EvE, the fact that people can get away with doing things like that. Adds a whole new level of financial risk and more risk usually = more exciting.
The OP now can brag about how he got scammed by Goon to all his in-game buddies and future corpies, and the event will eventually be recalled fondly as part of his birth pains.
If they didn't use any exploits and just played on your lack of understanding of the game.. I support it.. sort of.
I like MMOs that let players run the game. If people aren't abusing game mechanics then they should be left alone. First they say scamming isn't allowed because it hurts the person, the PvP isn't allowed because the loser... loses?
So yeah, sucks to be you, but thats how most games are, and I hope they keep them that way. if you understand what I'm saying.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I'm not sure if your aware of him, but look up a player named Dentara Rast. He pulled off the largest scam in eve history.
This is an absolute part of the game and a huge appeal to it for some people. It's about as real as real gets.
Sorry to hear about so bad this hurt you but like someone else said, "if it doesn't kill you, it will only make you stronger".
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You trusted a goon :cripes:
LoL - Goons and standards in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Anyone in the know should of told you that Goons are jetsam and flotsam of the EVE universe. Hell BoB isn't that much better either.
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Too bad you got scammed, but it's your fault. Learn from it and move on.
Possibly consider joining those who scam. I've made over 2 billion on scamming alone (although I quit the game a few months ago because of lack of pvpers).
Heh, I wouldn't put it past a goon to come to this forum, and state he was scammed, and try and get some kind person to donate a return, as it were......
But you have had plenty of good advice thus far, so Ill just narrow down the EIB scam, heh....
1) Player Cally starts the EVE Investment Bank in early 2006
2) A lot of drama goes on in the mean time with people sticking up for the EIB and others calling it a scam
3) Cally's owner decides it's been long enough and cleans out the bank, netting around 700bil in ISK and another 100bil in assets
That's really all the high points.
Ciao
*EDIT - I do not condone RMT, but at the time, that was about $120,000.00 USD =P
Seriously though, I don't play Eve, but I just want to point out you shouldn't really whine much over this, it's just a game after all, with that said scamming is something that happens in all MMO's and quite common in fact, there is always people out there who want to make extra few bucks withshady ways and you just got be wary of them, this is a good lesson for you I think and same applies to Real Life, don't trust your goods to people you don't know and even then there is always a chance your friends/family could betray you.
bummer
if the thought of having to make the effort to stop yourself being scamed if future bothers you, then eve is not the game for you.
here is an interesting artiical on the goons, history etc.
www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons
when it all settled down, didn't it turn out that dentie-fresh had only actually gotten about 60b in cash+assets?
anywho -- GHSC - guiding hand social club. look 'em up.
honestly, i don't know if this is a real thread, or another of those feaux-threads, like that one by that dude that claims to have been playing eve for like a hundred years and dude confuses all sorts of common terms.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
In my time playing MMOs (admitedly not all that long) EVE is by far the game that 'breaks the 4th wall' the most, if you know what i mean.
You mean the stage wall? By making RL refrences? Thats the only 4th wall i can think of. Even then EvE dont do that.