Im gonna call it for you right now... same things gonna happen here that has happened in EVERY game the past 15 years of MMO's
everyone is gonna start out making "cool charachters" and playing hybrids and other classes that do cool things. By the time everyone knows the game and it comes time to pvp against others people wil figure out that you can kill MORE people if you have one small unit working together comprised of Healers that heal, support classes that support and tanks that are sturdy.
Remember daoc? everyone ran around in a zerg... healers speced smite, casters speced for aoe and tanks just ran out and died to arrow fire. Once we all learned the game? Every group was 3 healers who healed and 5 tanks for the most part. Remember wow? everyone played a rogue or a hunter and all the healers speced shadow. Casters speced for aoe and everyone ran around in a zerg. what happened once 5v5 arena started? 2 warriors, 2 healers that healed (priest and a paladin) became the "go to " mold for a group and casters speced for single target damage and DOT's So im calling it right now. There are two healers that heal in the game... rune priest and the chaos priest. And there are two heavy tanks.... one in orks and one in Dwarves... and there are also two no frills light tanks.... one in dwarves one in orks. So I think dwarves will be rare in the beginning but everyone will have to reroll to make the best tank and best support class. I think in the end Rune priest will be the best class in the game. because its support only type. it will be like the midgard healer and the holy paladin.
Good predictions, but I think you left out Warrior-Priest. The Warrior-Priest strikes me as the "paladin" of WAR, and we all know that Paladins are the best healers.....
Also in PVE the Ironbreaker will probably be the best Order tank, but I'm not sure how useful it will be in PvP. Warriors with healers worked well in WoW, but those warriors were never Prot. Trust me I played a prot-tank for years and it was never any good in PvP. I think the human Knight has more pvp potential, just for the auras and it seems to have some potential with a 2 hander.
I'll probably either play a hammerer or a Witch Hunter. I'm done with tanking. There is always a demand for dps.
I'm going to go ahead and make the prediction that realms will actually be about equal as far as Order-Destruction goes, but we will see less Dwarves in general (which is a shame because I can't wait to play my Dwarf). Anyways, here is my reasoning: www.warhammeralliance.com just recently took its first overall class poll. The results showed that Destruction would almost certainly have a higher population than order. However, I'm assuming that the active members on those forums only represent the hardcore players who have been watching WAR for quite some time, and when the game launches we will see a lot of players coming in from games like WoW who will want to continue the tradition of being on the "good" side of the conflict.
I plan on playing a Dwarven Ironbreaker. I've always liked dwarves, and I've always liked tanking (especially if pvp-implementation of tanking works as planned). I don't think dwarves will be a minority, but I haven't seen near as much hype about the Ironbreakers.. so there's an added bonus of being a less-popular class.
I haven't seen stats, but from my experience in other MMOs, I'd be willing to bet that the Witch-elf will be among the more popular classes.
I am surprised High Elves has so little hits. I always play HE and I decided to go dwarves this time because I thought HE's would be over used...guess I was wrong.
Being a huge HUGE Warhammer fanatic, I have to give every race and class a try. Especially gobbo's!
I myself was gung-ho Chaos until we found out it was Tzeentch (Boo! Blood for the Blood God!) but I'm anxious to see how the Empire Knight of B.Sun plays.
I have a 2500 pt. Dark Elf army, and also very pumped they put Black Guard into the game but discouraged because I also think its going to be one of the most popular.
Out of all the races though, I can tell I'm going to like the Greenskins already!
Im gonna call it for you right now... same things gonna happen here that has happened in EVERY game the past 15 years of MMO's
everyone is gonna start out making "cool charachters" and playing hybrids and other classes that do cool things. By the time everyone knows the game and it comes time to pvp against others people wil figure out that you can kill MORE people if you have one small unit working together comprised of Healers that heal, support classes that support and tanks that are sturdy.
Remember daoc? everyone ran around in a zerg... healers speced smite, casters speced for aoe and tanks just ran out and died to arrow fire. Once we all learned the game? Every group was 3 healers who healed and 5 tanks for the most part. Remember wow? everyone played a rogue or a hunter and all the healers speced shadow. Casters speced for aoe and everyone ran around in a zerg. what happened once 5v5 arena started? 2 warriors, 2 healers that healed (priest and a paladin) became the "go to " mold for a group and casters speced for single target damage and DOT's So im calling it right now. There are two healers that heal in the game... rune priest and the chaos priest. And there are two heavy tanks.... one in orks and one in Dwarves... and there are also two no frills light tanks.... one in dwarves one in orks. So I think dwarves will be rare in the beginning but everyone will have to reroll to make the best tank and best support class. I think in the end Rune priest will be the best class in the game. because its support only type. it will be like the midgard healer and the holy paladin.
it is true in MMO's that players that specialize in certain areas do better overall in the PvE aspect of the game. For example, WoW's PvE basically had priests speccing holy (healing) warrior speccing tank, etc.
However, this is not necessarily true for PvP.
I remember in DAOC alot of healers that did specialize smite, but they did fairly well in PvP. PvP is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Zergs did well in DAOC regardless if they all had 3 healers and 5 tanks. Besides having someone to mezz and heal, It all really came down to coordination upon the team's part.
Arguably, hybrids do very well in PvP situations. Priests that specialized in the offensive spec, Shadow, did VERY well in WoW PvP (ask me since I played one). Clerics that specialized in smite actually pwned quite a bit. Thanes, Reavers (my favorite class) Vampiirs and other "hybrids" of DAOC also did well for themselves in PvP and were accepted into PvP groups. By this philosopy, someone would pick wizard over theurgist because wizzy does more damage with their spells, but If anyone played DAOC.... theurgs rocked in PvP.
Overall, it really comes down to player skill and group coordination.
Only the most hardcore guild based gaming requires players to cut down and specialize. Thank God. The game would become VERY boring and not to mention a real slap in the face to developers if the players stopped playing these classes all because they need the "Best" pure tank. Im sure Dark Elf Blackguards, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc would ALL have abilities that the Ironbreaker would envy, and vice versa.
it is true in MMO's that players that specialize in certain areas do better overall in the PvE aspect of the game. For example, WoW's PvE basically had priests speccing holy (healing) warrior speccing tank, etc. However, this is not necessarily true for PvP. I remember in DAOC alot of healers that did specialize smite, but they did fairly well in PvP. PvP is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Zergs did well in DAOC regardless if they all had 3 healers and 5 tanks. Besides having someone to mezz and heal, It all really came down to coordination upon the team's part. Arguably, hybrids do very well in PvP situations. Priests that specialized in the offensive spec, Shadow, did VERY well in WoW PvP (ask me since I played one). Clerics that specialized in smite actually pwned quite a bit. Thanes, Reavers (my favorite class) Vampiirs and other "hybrids" of DAOC also did well for themselves in PvP and were accepted into PvP groups. By this philosopy, someone would pick wizard over theurgist because wizzy does more damage with their spells, but If anyone played DAOC.... theurgs rocked in PvP. Overall, it really comes down to player skill and group coordination. Only the most hardcore guild based gaming requires players to cut down and specialize. Thank God. The game would become VERY boring and not to mention a real slap in the face to developers if the players stopped playing these classes all because they need the "Best" pure tank. Im sure Dark Elf Blackguards, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc would ALL have abilities that the Ironbreaker would envy, and vice versa.
Did you realy play daoc? your best group in the EU servers was a warrior speced to block and parry, a healer that was speced to.... heal, another 2 healers speced to heal and buff, 3 light tanks speced to hit hard, and a melee hybrid speced to hit hard. basic classes played basic way work well for pvp. thats why 8 players destroyed zergs.
My wow group was 2 offensive warriors 2 healing priest and a healing paladin.
when we did roaming pvp it was THREE warriors a priest and a druid.
so anyway. Everyone "says" they are going to play chaos, but seriously nobody wants to play a class thats not powerful. chaos melee is not very good and very hard to play....and its offensive caster is nothing to write home about.
best classes?
1) sorc (Calamity)
2) Blackork 2h(brawling)
3)Hammerer 2h
4)Ironbreaker grudge
5) Britemage incineration
6) Zelot single target
7) Rune priest single target
8) Sword master 2h Khaine spec with a little hoeth
it is true in MMO's that players that specialize in certain areas do better overall in the PvE aspect of the game. For example, WoW's PvE basically had priests speccing holy (healing) warrior speccing tank, etc. However, this is not necessarily true for PvP. I remember in DAOC alot of healers that did specialize smite, but they did fairly well in PvP. PvP is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Zergs did well in DAOC regardless if they all had 3 healers and 5 tanks. Besides having someone to mezz and heal, It all really came down to coordination upon the team's part. Arguably, hybrids do very well in PvP situations. Priests that specialized in the offensive spec, Shadow, did VERY well in WoW PvP (ask me since I played one). Clerics that specialized in smite actually pwned quite a bit. Thanes, Reavers (my favorite class) Vampiirs and other "hybrids" of DAOC also did well for themselves in PvP and were accepted into PvP groups. By this philosopy, someone would pick wizard over theurgist because wizzy does more damage with their spells, but If anyone played DAOC.... theurgs rocked in PvP. Overall, it really comes down to player skill and group coordination. Only the most hardcore guild based gaming requires players to cut down and specialize. Thank God. The game would become VERY boring and not to mention a real slap in the face to developers if the players stopped playing these classes all because they need the "Best" pure tank. Im sure Dark Elf Blackguards, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc would ALL have abilities that the Ironbreaker would envy, and vice versa.
Did you realy play daoc? your best group in the EU servers was a warrior speced to block and parry, a healer that was speced to.... heal, another 2 healers speced to heal and buff, 3 light tanks speced to hit hard, and a melee hybrid speced to hit hard. basic classes played basic way work well for pvp. thats why 8 players destroyed zergs.
I dont know what time period you played DAOC in, but I played it during its first 3 years. First of all, your leaving out a mezzer. I remember every zerg group that I was with having someone to CC. You would also have casters that could snare, and a popular build for Albion was the wizard specced ice for his PBAOE ring attack, which WRECKED.
I dont know what exactly your talking about, but there definitly was no "best" zerg group, at least from when I was playing. Perhaps you may be talking about DAOC in its later years when its more consolidated guild vs guild....but from when I was playing, this stuff was bogus. Casters were actually considered, if any, more important than tanks, considering the wide range of abilities availible to them. In fact, warriors specced to block and parry were near useless considering that players would simply ignore them and go for ranged casters anyway. Oh, and what about stealthers? Stealthers were invaluable for their ability to jump on casters and interrupt them.
My wow group was 2 offensive warriors 2 healing priest and a healing paladin. when we did roaming pvp it was THREE warriors a priest and a druid. I havent been playing WoW lately, again I played it for maybe the first two years or so before I quit out of utter boredom, so I cant even comment on the arena.When I was playing, When I was playing the WoW groups were definitly a bit more varied. I usually ran with a bunch of warlocks and shadow priests and would utterly destroy people in roaming PvP. But then there were different builds. I dont really understand these absolutes that you give out; there are many different examples of different classed groups doing just as well in PvP. PvE, I could say, would have such defined roles. You usually need a tank, a healer, and a nuker, at least. But PvP....its much less defined.
so anyway. Everyone "says" they are going to play chaos, but seriously nobody wants to play a class thats not powerful. chaos melee is not very good and very hard to play....and its offensive caster is nothing to write home about.
best classes? 1) sorc (Calamity) 2) Blackork 2h(brawling) 3)Hammerer 2h 4)Ironbreaker grudge 5) Britemage incineration 6) Zelot single target 7) Rune priest single target 8) Sword master 2h Khaine spec with a little hoeth 9) shadow warrior skirmish 10) Warrior Priest 2h wrarth
Sorry to pick on your post (lol) but I just had to comment here as well. How can youmake such predictions when the game hasnt even come out? Plus WAR's PvP dynamics are probably going to be so much more complicated than just "Who can tank the most". You forget that there are also tactics, morale abilities and renknown abilities that affect the outcome of the battles as well. These predictions are bogus.
Originally posted by Ghost12 Sorry to pick on your post (lol) but I just had to comment here as well. How can youmake such predictions when the game hasnt even come out? Plus WAR's PvP dynamics are probably going to be so much more complicated than just "Who can tank the most". You forget that there are also tactics, morale abilities and renknown abilities that affect the outcome of the battles as well. These predictions are bogus.
Ive played the game
I speak to players
I talk to someone who speaks to Adam. Im a journalist... I network thats what I do.
But I have to walk that fine line of NDA... off the record comments.. and fan talk.
the above is "fan talk" with me as a fan, you can read other players feedback who are playing to get their take as well.
I said undecided Order, however I'm most likely gonna go dwarf (ironbreaker).
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
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Well i was hoping to get at least 30 000 vote's by now D=
It would be insain to base the population on 250 votes.
+ all the players will be spreading on diffrent servers.
Good predictions, but I think you left out Warrior-Priest. The Warrior-Priest strikes me as the "paladin" of WAR, and we all know that Paladins are the best healers.....
Also in PVE the Ironbreaker will probably be the best Order tank, but I'm not sure how useful it will be in PvP. Warriors with healers worked well in WoW, but those warriors were never Prot. Trust me I played a prot-tank for years and it was never any good in PvP. I think the human Knight has more pvp potential, just for the auras and it seems to have some potential with a 2 hander.
I'll probably either play a hammerer or a Witch Hunter. I'm done with tanking. There is always a demand for dps.
I'm going to go ahead and make the prediction that realms will actually be about equal as far as Order-Destruction goes, but we will see less Dwarves in general (which is a shame because I can't wait to play my Dwarf). Anyways, here is my reasoning: www.warhammeralliance.com just recently took its first overall class poll. The results showed that Destruction would almost certainly have a higher population than order. However, I'm assuming that the active members on those forums only represent the hardcore players who have been watching WAR for quite some time, and when the game launches we will see a lot of players coming in from games like WoW who will want to continue the tradition of being on the "good" side of the conflict.
I plan on playing a Dwarven Ironbreaker. I've always liked dwarves, and I've always liked tanking (especially if pvp-implementation of tanking works as planned). I don't think dwarves will be a minority, but I haven't seen near as much hype about the Ironbreakers.. so there's an added bonus of being a less-popular class.
I haven't seen stats, but from my experience in other MMOs, I'd be willing to bet that the Witch-elf will be among the more popular classes.
There will be pop caps on Order and Destruction, I dont remember who said it but It was said in one of the podcasts.
Possibly hinting that Mythic knows Destruction is going to outnumber Order
No such thing as luck, just believing in it is what makes it real to you and really...thats all you need.
Im on nobodies' side but my own.
I am surprised High Elves has so little hits. I always play HE and I decided to go dwarves this time because I thought HE's would be over used...guess I was wrong.
Being a huge HUGE Warhammer fanatic, I have to give every race and class a try. Especially gobbo's!
I myself was gung-ho Chaos until we found out it was Tzeentch (Boo! Blood for the Blood God!) but I'm anxious to see how the Empire Knight of B.Sun plays.
I have a 2500 pt. Dark Elf army, and also very pumped they put Black Guard into the game but discouraged because I also think its going to be one of the most popular.
Out of all the races though, I can tell I'm going to like the Greenskins already!
it is true in MMO's that players that specialize in certain areas do better overall in the PvE aspect of the game. For example, WoW's PvE basically had priests speccing holy (healing) warrior speccing tank, etc.
However, this is not necessarily true for PvP.
I remember in DAOC alot of healers that did specialize smite, but they did fairly well in PvP. PvP is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Zergs did well in DAOC regardless if they all had 3 healers and 5 tanks. Besides having someone to mezz and heal, It all really came down to coordination upon the team's part.
Arguably, hybrids do very well in PvP situations. Priests that specialized in the offensive spec, Shadow, did VERY well in WoW PvP (ask me since I played one). Clerics that specialized in smite actually pwned quite a bit. Thanes, Reavers (my favorite class) Vampiirs and other "hybrids" of DAOC also did well for themselves in PvP and were accepted into PvP groups. By this philosopy, someone would pick wizard over theurgist because wizzy does more damage with their spells, but If anyone played DAOC.... theurgs rocked in PvP.
Overall, it really comes down to player skill and group coordination.
Only the most hardcore guild based gaming requires players to cut down and specialize. Thank God. The game would become VERY boring and not to mention a real slap in the face to developers if the players stopped playing these classes all because they need the "Best" pure tank. Im sure Dark Elf Blackguards, Knights of the Blazing Sun, etc would ALL have abilities that the Ironbreaker would envy, and vice versa.
I'm going with being a Dark Elf Disciple, just because I like the idea of a dual wielding healer.
My wow group was 2 offensive warriors 2 healing priest and a healing paladin.
when we did roaming pvp it was THREE warriors a priest and a druid.
so anyway. Everyone "says" they are going to play chaos, but seriously nobody wants to play a class thats not powerful. chaos melee is not very good and very hard to play....and its offensive caster is nothing to write home about.
best classes?
1) sorc (Calamity)
2) Blackork 2h(brawling)
3)Hammerer 2h
4)Ironbreaker grudge
5) Britemage incineration
6) Zelot single target
7) Rune priest single target
8) Sword master 2h Khaine spec with a little hoeth
9) shadow warrior skirmish
10) Warrior Priest 2h wrarth
Well I enjoy his predictions.
If you dont think he's right thats one thing but dont get all annus on him
You can make your own predictions if you want. but if all you can do is discreduit others then your bogus.
Lets see if you got the balls to call the shots and when it all comes true lets see how close to the thruth you were mister PeeWee
Ive played the game
I speak to players
I talk to someone who speaks to Adam. Im a journalist... I network thats what I do.
But I have to walk that fine line of NDA... off the record comments.. and fan talk.
the above is "fan talk" with me as a fan, you can read other players feedback who are playing to get their take as well.
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and that calamity sorc is just plain EVIL
With the new information I bet alot of players will be re-rolling Class.
mabe even Realm?
I'm stuck between Dark Elf Disciple of Khaine and Goblin Shaman...I just can't wait to try them both out!
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
I will play a dwarf for sure. After that I am not decided.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Dark Elf/Witch Elf.
We seem to be an unpopular sort due to most polls I've seen.
Dark Elf seem to be doing fine on this poll.
And since Dark Elf Tanks are odd ones out I bet you will see more Witch Elf.
They probly re-spected the Witch Elf with some options to help them Tank.
As If High elfs are making a come back!!!!
Lol Imperial Humans are the underdogs. Bah!
There is no way that destruction is going to need help ... it's going to be an order side, probaby dwarfs
Finwe on microphones in MMOs: "it'd eliminate l33t speak....But it would bring in ebonics."
Whats up with everyone thinking the Dwarfs will be underpopulated?
This hole planet is turning Girl. Somtimes I wonder about Guy's in this day and age.
To many Wan-to be Girls. Grow some balls , sprout out a stick & Play Dwarfs for gods sake.
I gess your right ,Dwarfs will be underpopulated if your the tipical WAR player.
Go spend 2 houres in the bathroom looking in the mirror.
Tom Girls
at the launch of the game I can see the order side being under-powered
If War Is a Big Hit Post launch (like 4 months after) I dont see Destruction overpowering Order for long.
At the bigining though , it will be Really sad.
Go Dwarfs Go!!!!!!!
I said undecided Order, however I'm most likely gonna go dwarf (ironbreaker).
Pretty much all the WAR naysayers ARE NOT PVP'ers, but rather everquest fairy boys who can't wait for their NEW HAIRSTYLES and DANCES, that they can show off to the opposing faction as they hold hands and sing cumbayah in Dalaran inbetween killing boars and 30 of everything for Nessingwary for the THIRD straight time.
And watch all these numbers mean absolutely nothing. Dwarves will be the least played and my bet is Helf/Emp/Chaos will be at the top.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!