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Will the release of WAR help or hurt the popularity of the tabletop game?
Teganx
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I never did get into the miniatures but the more exciting I get for WAR the more I want to delve into everything Warhammer related. I picked up the first Gotrek and Felix book about a year ago....I think Ill finally start reading it!
But anyways, like the title says, do you expect an increase or decrease in interest for the miniatures game?
Also...since I have your attention I think Ill mention something that has been driving me NUTS. WAR is the only game on the forums list that uses its acronym. And whats the point of using the acronym and then typing out the entire name in parenthesis next to it. Everquest 2 isnt EQ2 (Everquest 2), WoW isnt WoW (World of Warcraft).
Maybe I'm just neurotic.
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waiting: earthrise
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increase
- the visibility of the Warhammer name due to mmo adverstising
- mmo players buying existing Warhammer books because they are curious about the lore
- mmo players that may actually try the miniatures game, instead of just reading about it
EQ2 fan sites
Good question. I think if the game is a big hit it will help. People like you, and me who never played the TT might want to give it a shot. I dont think it will hurt it either way though. If the game is a dud (not likely) it will just send the TT players back to the TT fulltime and thoes of us that havent played it, may not give it a shot because of the game.
The only way I could see it hurting the table top game is if the people who play the TT get so addicted to WAR that they stop playing the TT.
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I think it will cause an increase.
I used to play a lot of Games Workshop games as a kid and have often thought about playing Warhammer again but haven't got anyone to play with. I'm actually grooming my two sons in to nerds in the hope they will be interested when they get older.
The acronym is because Mythic is trying to play up the actual conflict in the game. Trying to hype it.
Having worked GW retail I can honestly say I don't really think so. At least not here in the states. The tabletop hobby is not cheap, for sure, as 1000 pts of 40K or 1500pts of Fantasy would probably run you around $120 US, plus glue, paint, flock for bases, paint brushes and sealer. As it is things aren't so great economically here so I doubt there will be any noticeable increase.
That and it's a hobby which requires you to sit down and spend time painting lots of little metal and plastic figures. That take time and attention, something that the vast majority of people don't want to put in these days, especially the younger folks. Not flaming young folks (low 20s and under), but it's just what I noticed working there for a year. The minute you tell them you gotta paint it, the majority of folks either say "Aww, man, I gotta paint them?" or "Can I pay someone to paint them?".
So they go buy hero clicks or D&D miniatures, which are prepainted and are games that don't take as long to play.
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I feel pc gamers might take a look at the TT, but not so the other way around, atleast not where I life, talked to some in a TT shop who are fully into TT still and none of them showed excitement about hte upcoming WAR MMO, actualy they said no pc game can match the depth they get from a table top. I must say I do agree with them, till now I have not seen a pc MMO that could stand against the depth of a TT, but I am more of a pc gamer then into TT, I use to enjoy them tho not WAR but a few others but my main hobby/passion is pc games.
I think it'll have no effect because they arn't even the same thing.
Table top is about painting and showing off what you've done and WAR is a mmorpg where you quest.
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I think it will aid the tabletop game, if for no other reason than it will be great advertising for the tabletop game.
You are right they are not the samething but they have a lot of similar appeal. I think WAR will have a positive but small impact on table tops. There will be a number of computer players that will give table top warhammer a try. I do not play warhammer but I have painted the figures and sold a few. I can see the appeal of the table top game.
Dunno but the shares in Games workshop group (GAW) are doing pretty well atm. Might just be because they've been making cuts lately though and have announced going back in the black.
But it could be I guess because a lot of players waiting for WAR have decided to buy a few models and see what the table top games like while they wait for WAR's release?.
1 month chart:
http://www.lse.co.uk/tools/shares/GetGraph.asp?gcode=GAW&mode=ShareCharts&r=0.365390551302612&p=5&ma=9&t=2&comp=
I don't know if it is true but people were saying the sales of Conan books went up at AOC's release so I'd imagine the same type of thing happens with WAR's release.
Well I bet that question was asked when they decided to give out the warhammer name, I think any exposure will be good for warhammer, TT is not something Id get into, but for sure its no more geeky than playing computer games.
and TT is for showing off? Im doing something wrong then I thought PvP was all about showing off
The expierience is so totally different between playing PnP and an MMO that I doubt ANY MMO will hurt tabletop sales. Look at 4th ed DnD, They totally WoWized it, it's a d20 system for killing monsters and getting gold but the expierience of playing it is still very very unlike any videogame.
Recently I've gone to Hammerwiki and read up about the lore, I might buy books too because I'm interested in it now. However, I don't think I'll try the tabletop game. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not terribly interesting to me. Frankly I didn't even know much about Warhammer until the MMO, which means I'm definetely a PC gamer, not a TT player hehe. Never know though. Overall I think WAR will increase interest in the lore, but maybe not the TT per sé.
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I think it will stay more or less the same.
What it will do however, is attract people to the MMO business (judging from the warhammer players in my neighbourhood)
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I have to agree with many others in this thread, book stores will see a increase in Warhammer Fantasy Books.
http://www.fantasistent.com/FESTORE/BOOKS/FICTION/BLACK_LIBRARY/WHF/WarhammerFic.php
If you are going to RP this game as well, its always best to catch up with the TONS on LORE information that is out there.
At this point we can only specualte how popular this game will be and how it will affect the tabletop game and the online game as well.
At this point, I am very pleased on how much time and effort mythic/ea has put into this online game. I dont mean to sound like a plant/fanboy from mythic/ea, but I think we are all going to enjoy this game!
All I know is that W:AR is going to seriously cut on my painting/playing time, as the 40K 5th edition boxed set comes out a mere 12 days before the game goes live, so instead of assembling and/or painting those models I'm going to be running around in the CB.
The minatures will stay huge, it has kept Games Workshop going for over 25 years and made it into a successful UK compnay.
The fantasy roleplay also has had a re-launch recently, although I still have my 1st edition hardback copy of the rules, it has had some rule changes but I always like warhammer over d&d no matter what edition.
I think mythic is calling it WAR (warhammer online) as this is the 2nd attempt at a warhammer MMO, in 2004 the 1st developers of Warhammer online closed down shop just before opening beta as they had taken a lot of money from Sega and did very little with it.
So mythic and Games Workshop want to make sure that people understand that this is a very different game to back then. (ie the devs aren't going to steal all the money this time.)
I know how you feel :-)
I've got lots of miniatures left to paint, and I don't foresee painting them anytime soon with WAR being inc.
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You got part of the Table top part right. It's also about testing your tactical skills/knowledge within the systems against your opponent. In a manner it is like chess. Depending on the scenario you are fighting it has objectives just as you would in a quest.
I can say with a great deal of certainty that the WAR MMO is not more entertaining for me than Table Top, and I begame an MMO gamer realtively the same time I got into TT (within a few months). The main reason being if some a person across the table from me acted/spoke like some folks on forums and in games did, I'd give them a front row seat of 8 years Army training.
Or just a hammer to the forehead. Ahh, the good old days when we played "ironman" TT. If your mini died, it got Da Hamma!
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Chavez y Chavez
You would think this would help the Table Top out. I mean if you're going to play WAR don't you want to find out its roots and such? People will start to dig around and see whats going on. I also believe this will give more identity to the IP in general. There are a few more Warhammer titles coming out soon, such as Dawn of War2, and the other MMO. OF course this is if the game is successful and goes main stream and starts taping into the WoW well.
I can't see this hurting the Table top seeing as 90% of the WAR population probably never heard of the table top game. Ask a WoW player if he knows what TFT is and you'll get a ?.
I found my copy of Trollslayer that Mythic gave me a couple years ago. I'm going to read it once I finish my current book.
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I used to play WAR 40k like 5 years ago and with WAR coming out I think I might get back into it, so I say it will help the pop of the TT. With that being said I remember for me at least wasnt the easyest to find players to play against with the TT so future game matches was always the case so I dont think the MMO will hurt the TT at all only help, WARGGGGG, ;p
It cannot help but increase it.
The games do not compete - at all. What WAR will do is bring increased visibility to Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000, sort of.
Some people may just buy some miniatures for aesthetic purposes, maybe to model them after their in-game character, without regard for the games they are used in.
Really, the biggest winner in this deal may be Games Workshop. They are essentially being paid to advertise their business by licensing their IP, then EA will advertise the game at their expense, and ultimately some of the players will pour hundreds, maybe even thousands, into miniatures, when previously they did not even know about it.
Games Workshop really has risked nothing, been paid to do it, and will almost certainly have a massive increase in business, and I say good on them.
I think WAR has already started to help TT and books of Warhammer. As I've seen a few people say, they've been reading up on the lore and such and even buying some of the books. Additionally, I never took much of an interest in TT games before I began to pay more attention to WAR.... Yada yada yada, I've ended up buying 40k miniatures and my dad has been assembling/painting Warhammer minis... Unfortunately, I know of no one else who has any interest in the TT around where I live.