It seems there is still a lot of angst for SOE and EQ2 after all this time. As for Daniel's original post, maybe a fresh look IS what's needed.
I've been a veteran of EQ2, and before it, EQ1 for a total of over 9 years. I'm very glad that the early days of EQ2 are gone as it was essentially the same game as EQ1 with some minor alterations and fresh make up. EQ1 was way too much work, and early EQ2 wasn't really any better. Yes some of the devs have made really big changes that often had more negative impact than positive. Yes, the original classes were more unique with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses.
If you really want to blame anyone for the watering down of the classes, blame the PvP kiddy core as it was cappitulation to that crowd that created the blandishments (ie it wasn't "fair" that some classes did better in PvP than others, yadda yadda).
SOE caters to a wide age group range in it's games; from those that shouldn't be playing it at all (but their parents still let them) to some people in their retirement years. So there are always going to be people that aren't satisfied with the game and the changes made to it. That's the same with any game (if you liked the way things were done in eq1, it IS still running). I'm betting the current player demographics suggest an older player base that doesn't have time to spend 12+ hours on a single raid, or interest in endlessly grinding away on the same critters. I certainly am not interested in either of those things, and many of the people I play with appreciate being able to do a tour of Deathfist Citadel etc in a couple of hours with 4 people instead of 2 full groups in 6+ hours. They have jobs, kids, relationships, other things that take their time besides just sitting in front of a computer all day and night.
2 instrumental devs to note are Rothgar and Domino. Together they have shown a dedication to the game and players to create a great experience. Because of their efforts, I have decided to return as a subscribing member after over 2 years (essentially) of absence.
The game now is significantly different enough from the original that a fresh (and therefore largely unbiased) viewpoint could be exactly what is necessary in reviewing the current EQ2. Some of you may feel that this EQ2 is more like WoW, and others, like me, will feel that the game finally recognizes a segment of the player base that has limited time and want a game that's fun and relaxing, and not yet another thing to labor at.
It seems there is still a lot of angst for SOE and EQ2 after all this time. As for Daniel's original post, maybe a fresh look IS what's needed. I've been a veteran of EQ2, and before it, EQ1 for a total of over 9 years. I'm very glad that the early days of EQ2 are gone as it was essentially the same game as EQ1 with some minor alterations and fresh make up. EQ1 was way too much work, and early EQ2 wasn't really any better. Yes some of the devs have made really big changes that often had more negative impact than positive. Yes, the original classes were more unique with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses. If you really want to blame anyone for the watering down of the classes, blame the PvP kiddy core as it was cappitulation to that crowd that created the blandishments (ie it wasn't "fair" that some classes did better in PvP than others, yadda yadda). SOE caters to a wide age group range in it's games; from those that shouldn't be playing it at all (but their parents still let them) to some people in their retirement years. So there are always going to be people that aren't satisfied with the game and the changes made to it. That's the same with any game (if you liked the way things were done in eq1, it IS still running). I'm betting the current player demographics suggest an older player base that doesn't have time to spend 12+ hours on a single raid, or interest in endlessly grinding away on the same critters. I certainly am not interested in either of those things, and many of the people I play with appreciate being able to do a tour of Deathfist Citadel etc in a couple of hours with 4 people instead of 2 full groups in 6+ hours. They have jobs, kids, relationships, other things that take their time besides just sitting in front of a computer all day and night. 2 instrumental devs to note are Rothgar and Domino. Together they have shown a dedication to the game and players to create a great experience. Because of their efforts, I have decided to return as a subscribing member after over 2 years (essentially) of absence. The game now is significantly different enough from the original that a fresh (and therefore largely unbiased) viewpoint could be exactly what is necessary in reviewing the current EQ2. Some of you may feel that this EQ2 is more like WoW, and others, like me, will feel that the game finally recognizes a segment of the player base that has limited time and want a game that's fun and relaxing, and not yet another thing to labor at.
Very well said. And about that troll's comparison of EQ2 to WoW. LOL! EQ2 offers so so much more and so so much more depth in gameplay, features, housing, guild features, classes, etc then WoW.
If we talk about a dumbed down MMO into the extreme with very limited features, then it's WoW.
And don't start me on Age of Conan. As that will turn out into the biggest laugh of all time. Well it already is.
To the negativists out there. Just admit it that EverQuest II is stil the best MMO out there. It offers the most content, most features, most of everything what is out there in it's genre.
EverQuest 2 is a great game! Cheers
Sorry to disappoint you, but the subscriber number tells another story.
I played this game since beta, and I can tell you that now is a totally different game than it used to be.
I respect your opinion and you are one of the few that enjoy the game as it is.......but you are not so many unfortunately.
Yes EQ2 has lots of content, but quantity doesn't equal quality.
If you read my previous post you will understand that I am against those yearly expansion which add only badly bump mapped new zones and washed up content..........all in the name of quantity.
That is what ruined EQ2 IMO.
SoE needs to stop this and enrich the huge world already has.
It needs to add more details to the world, more armor models, better questing, fix the raiding and the itemisation, making it again a group oriented game and dropping that LoN shit.
If they keep going on the ultra-casual route, this game will not last long trust me, look at SWG NGE.....they never learn..........
Yes i kept paying for it, the game was FUN they it slowly went down the hill in so many aspects.
In what part of my post did you read i didnt have fun in the first years? Why i kept playing? I came from EQ1 and the Everquest series still is the most rich in fantasy and roleplay elements. Sadly SOE isnt living up to the name of the game for the past 1,5 years at least.
1 class? Because i never felt the need to play another, leveled alts to levels 15-20 but that's it. Im always on the melee side of things (it is my playstyle) and Zerker was my choice of character since the beginning - a plate wearer with good DPS and chance to be a Tank. Im not going to repeat myself in how the game leaned towards 1 build only for Zerkers and Guardians - the tank only part and Guardians are THE tanks in end-game period.
Yes i was there for 4 years, in between my job, marriage and kid, i was there not as an "Elitish Hardcore player" like someone here pointed out, but as a serious casual player who sadly saw EQ2 becoming less and less rich in content, less and less caring about player base.
No, being tired of a game is what happens when *you* played it for four years with only one toon and one profession. You played the game from one dimension, and now you want them to *fix* it? You want them to somehow find it in their hearts to make you the uber class again so you don't have to re-roll a different class? Seems to me your problem is based in your own laziness. You will not see me support SOE often, but that post was awful. Then, you kept paying for it?
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
Wait a minute, the EverQuest II correspondent is just starting the game and has not even subscribed yet?
I just don't understand the logic there.
I'm coming from another game. I haven't had a chance yet to buy the game and upgrade my trial.
I'm curious how you got the position with no practical experience with the game? Perhaps I just don't understand what your position is meant to do and previous experience just isn't a requirement.
My original article(my "portfolio") was an article about World of Warcraft, the MMO I currectly subscribe to. It was the base for me being "hired."
When asked what game I wished to write for, I informed the Correspondent Coordinator that I wanted a new experience, something that gives me a chance to enjoy something other than WoW.
He told me that EQ2 needed someone, so I jumped at the opportunity. I don't think I got the position on my knowledge of the game as much as my writing skill. Or maybe no one else wanted the job.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.
LMAO!
EverQuest2 (together with EverQuest1) are still one of the few more hardcore fantasygames left within the MMO genre!
EverQuest2 is so so much better than WoW. Now that's what I call a soulless game. Or did you find the TBC expansion in WoW a great expansion? Don't make me laugh!
EverQuest2 offers tons more content and features and gameplay than WoW will ever have.
With the upcoming second expansion (wich took Blizzard again over 2 years) they are going to add the same ol' crap to the game AGAIN! Except for some new heroic class (Wich will start causing an outrage within PVP crybabies for sure. So I forsee the massive nerfbat swinging that direction soon after launch, dumbing it down to just another class).
So please stop your failed troll attempts. You didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to do with EverQuest2. So be it. But don't start being moronic here in trying to prevent players from trying the game! It's just silly and really sad.
Right now, my observation is that the people who are decrying this game are a loud minority. True, I haven't experienced everything there is in Everquest 2, and it will be some time before I do, but even being in the game for a short time, I can tell a difference between this game and WoW.
Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
Right now, my observation is that the people who are decrying this game are a loud minority. True, I haven't experienced everything there is in Everquest 2, and it will be some time before I do, but even being in the game for a short time, I can tell a difference between this game and WoW.
Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
And that says it all my friend and makes a complete fool out of those crying trolls!
A newbie in EverQuest2 already sees the differences between WoW and EverQuest 2, while the so proclaimed old vets that are bashing here don't! Says enough to me how sad you little trolls are.
Miustus, you go play and enjoy the game! Find things out yourself, write about it and draw your own conclusions with your own experience! Ignore the trolls.
Originally posted by Miustus I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
It will be hard to understand unless you have been on the ride for a while and have something invested in the game. Most the the serious damage has already been done and if you weren't around it may go unnoticed or show up as things that just don't make much sense. Once you get through a few of the changes you will start to see some of the reasons.
For example listen to how people talk about the old game compared to each of the expansions. The consistancy is all over the map as the game has inconsistent design direction and cohesion. I know I'll get flamed for that, but the whole process is one of to many cooks in the kitchen. There are/were a great group of devs who want to make a great game but are hampered by terrible time tables, unethical employees and all of them tend to get cut off at the knees by people trying to squeeze extra money out of the players/game.
Either send me a mail here, or email me at empireof1 at mchsi dot com if you want to express your issues with the game. I want to read what you have to say for an upcoming article. End quote
Good luck, enjoyed the read.
Also took heart to send an email of my view, I hope it is informative.
Safe Travels in lands unfamiliar and may the storm father grant you clear sky.
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com. “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.
LMAO!
EverQuest2 (together with EverQuest1) are still one of the few more hardcore fantasygames left within the MMO genre!
EverQuest2 is so so much better than WoW. Now that's what I call a soulless game. Or did you find the TBC expansion in WoW a great expansion? Don't make me laugh!
EverQuest2 offers tons more content and features and gameplay than WoW will ever have.
With the upcoming second expansion (wich took Blizzard again over 2 years) they are going to add the same ol' crap to the game AGAIN! Except for some new heroic class (Wich will start causing an outrage within PVP crybabies for sure. So I forsee the massive nerfbat swinging that direction soon after launch, dumbing it down to just another class).
So please stop your failed troll attempts. You didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to do with EverQuest2. So be it. But don't start being moronic here in trying to prevent players from trying the game! It's just silly and really sad.
How is EQ2 anywhere near a "hardcore" game? It is WoW with EQ's lore, a minigame attached to crafting, and less than a tenth of the playerbase. Don't get me wrong, EQ2 is far and away SOE's best game, but it isn't a more hardcore game than WoW.
After trying EQ2 personally I've found the worst flaw with the game is the performance of the game itself or I should say lack therefor of it. The game lacks multi threaded support then furthermore lighting and shadowing are both being rendered on the cpu rather than the gpu further bottlenecking the game turning it into one big slug. When SoE claimed EQ2 was future proofed what they really meant was it's futurama proofed runs like a slurm slug. It doesn't really matter if you have a good computer or not unless you turn down the graphics the game won't run well even on good computers and even then it only runs moderately and that's on windows xp can't imagine how it is on windows vsta.
EQ2 runs fine on most modern systems and ever since they made it large memory aware it runs great on a 64bit OS with 4GB+ ram also.
I used to run it at 1650x1080 with everyone on max without issues, I would turn it down if people were gathering for an epic quest kill in an area I was running around in alot, but otherwise it's a great game.
I used to play it initially at release, being a huge EQ1 fanboi and then left for WoW due to wanting to play with my RL friends. We recently resubscribed and bought the Ruins of Kunark expansion so we'd have all the content released at our fingertips and we were quite happy with most of the changes they had made since we had been away.
I'm a fan of a harsh death penalty. It keeps the idiots in check, and I was somewhat sad they went away with the good old fashioned Corpse Run. But they did make it easier for us to get some levels, so all was well.
I've since then stopped playing it and resubscribed to CoX instead, again with the friends.
But EQ2 is a fine game in it's own right. I'm not a SOE fanboy, or even a SOE hater. Atleast they let us play with whoever you want, unlike the other games that carve a great big line between the big continents.
"I couldn't read the rest. You're tired. Find a single player game for two minuntes. Stop giving them "money for 2004" and take a break."
That's what usually happens when people dont have arguments... aint it?
Try more lol
No as much effort was put into that reply as was required, for someone coming into MMOs EQ2 offeres a fantastic ammount of gameplay and fun. And a good community , as far as I am concerned the SP is pretty good SOE overall do a good job. And please a majority of their customer base, no problems here.
I fail to take seriously nost anti SOE posters as they just tend to be bitter and twisted SWG Vets.
The statment if you don't like it ... is a bit of a throw away, but in life you can move on and get the most of life or you can like yourself hold grudges, bitternes. I would recommend moving on it is better for your general being.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
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It seems there is still a lot of angst for SOE and EQ2 after all this time. As for Daniel's original post, maybe a fresh look IS what's needed.
I've been a veteran of EQ2, and before it, EQ1 for a total of over 9 years. I'm very glad that the early days of EQ2 are gone as it was essentially the same game as EQ1 with some minor alterations and fresh make up. EQ1 was way too much work, and early EQ2 wasn't really any better. Yes some of the devs have made really big changes that often had more negative impact than positive. Yes, the original classes were more unique with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses.
If you really want to blame anyone for the watering down of the classes, blame the PvP kiddy core as it was cappitulation to that crowd that created the blandishments (ie it wasn't "fair" that some classes did better in PvP than others, yadda yadda).
SOE caters to a wide age group range in it's games; from those that shouldn't be playing it at all (but their parents still let them) to some people in their retirement years. So there are always going to be people that aren't satisfied with the game and the changes made to it. That's the same with any game (if you liked the way things were done in eq1, it IS still running). I'm betting the current player demographics suggest an older player base that doesn't have time to spend 12+ hours on a single raid, or interest in endlessly grinding away on the same critters. I certainly am not interested in either of those things, and many of the people I play with appreciate being able to do a tour of Deathfist Citadel etc in a couple of hours with 4 people instead of 2 full groups in 6+ hours. They have jobs, kids, relationships, other things that take their time besides just sitting in front of a computer all day and night.
2 instrumental devs to note are Rothgar and Domino. Together they have shown a dedication to the game and players to create a great experience. Because of their efforts, I have decided to return as a subscribing member after over 2 years (essentially) of absence.
The game now is significantly different enough from the original that a fresh (and therefore largely unbiased) viewpoint could be exactly what is necessary in reviewing the current EQ2. Some of you may feel that this EQ2 is more like WoW, and others, like me, will feel that the game finally recognizes a segment of the player base that has limited time and want a game that's fun and relaxing, and not yet another thing to labor at.
Very well said. And about that troll's comparison of EQ2 to WoW. LOL! EQ2 offers so so much more and so so much more depth in gameplay, features, housing, guild features, classes, etc then WoW.
If we talk about a dumbed down MMO into the extreme with very limited features, then it's WoW.
And don't start me on Age of Conan. As that will turn out into the biggest laugh of all time. Well it already is.
Cheers
Sorry to disappoint you, but the subscriber number tells another story.
I played this game since beta, and I can tell you that now is a totally different game than it used to be.
I respect your opinion and you are one of the few that enjoy the game as it is.......but you are not so many unfortunately.
Yes EQ2 has lots of content, but quantity doesn't equal quality.
If you read my previous post you will understand that I am against those yearly expansion which add only badly bump mapped new zones and washed up content..........all in the name of quantity.
That is what ruined EQ2 IMO.
SoE needs to stop this and enrich the huge world already has.
It needs to add more details to the world, more armor models, better questing, fix the raiding and the itemisation, making it again a group oriented game and dropping that LoN shit.
If they keep going on the ultra-casual route, this game will not last long trust me, look at SWG NGE.....they never learn..........
I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I'm coming from another game. I haven't had a chance yet to buy the game and upgrade my trial.
I'm curious how you got the position with no practical experience with the game? Perhaps I just don't understand what your position is meant to do and previous experience just isn't a requirement.
My story is thus:
My original article(my "portfolio") was an article about World of Warcraft, the MMO I currectly subscribe to. It was the base for me being "hired."
When asked what game I wished to write for, I informed the Correspondent Coordinator that I wanted a new experience, something that gives me a chance to enjoy something other than WoW.
He told me that EQ2 needed someone, so I jumped at the opportunity. I don't think I got the position on my knowledge of the game as much as my writing skill. Or maybe no one else wanted the job.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
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Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.
LMAO!
EverQuest2 (together with EverQuest1) are still one of the few more hardcore fantasygames left within the MMO genre!
EverQuest2 is so so much better than WoW. Now that's what I call a soulless game. Or did you find the TBC expansion in WoW a great expansion? Don't make me laugh!
EverQuest2 offers tons more content and features and gameplay than WoW will ever have.
With the upcoming second expansion (wich took Blizzard again over 2 years) they are going to add the same ol' crap to the game AGAIN! Except for some new heroic class (Wich will start causing an outrage within PVP crybabies for sure. So I forsee the massive nerfbat swinging that direction soon after launch, dumbing it down to just another class).
So please stop your failed troll attempts. You didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to do with EverQuest2. So be it. But don't start being moronic here in trying to prevent players from trying the game! It's just silly and really sad.
Right now, my observation is that the people who are decrying this game are a loud minority. True, I haven't experienced everything there is in Everquest 2, and it will be some time before I do, but even being in the game for a short time, I can tell a difference between this game and WoW.
Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out.
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And that says it all my friend and makes a complete fool out of those crying trolls!
A newbie in EverQuest2 already sees the differences between WoW and EverQuest 2, while the so proclaimed old vets that are bashing here don't! Says enough to me how sad you little trolls are.
Miustus, you go play and enjoy the game! Find things out yourself, write about it and draw your own conclusions with your own experience! Ignore the trolls.
Cheers
Not wanting to "troll" or anything, but you hit the nail here.
Endgame is completely different from beginning and middle.
Nevertheless, EQ2 is still rich in content, much richer in factions, lore and fantasy than any mmorpg out there.
You will have fun for sure and perhaps in the endgame you start realizing some serious problems with design and AA faults.
It's not the game's fault, it had and still has potential - even in graphics.
Its the designers fault and lack of fresh ideas that's in stake here.
That and realising that classes need "uniqueness" instead of "likelyness" - one of the major factors that brought down the game.
These arguments are all pointless. People who hate the game are not going to convince those of us who like it to hate it, and vice versa.
Myself; well I enjoy the game despite it's flaws.
I like both WOW and EQ2
I was there at the EQ2 launch (and played EQ1 since 1999)
I didnt stay with EQ2 (or any mmo post EQ1) but I have returned to EQ2 several times
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EQ2 fan sites
It will be hard to understand unless you have been on the ride for a while and have something invested in the game. Most the the serious damage has already been done and if you weren't around it may go unnoticed or show up as things that just don't make much sense. Once you get through a few of the changes you will start to see some of the reasons.
For example listen to how people talk about the old game compared to each of the expansions. The consistancy is all over the map as the game has inconsistent design direction and cohesion. I know I'll get flamed for that, but the whole process is one of to many cooks in the kitchen. There are/were a great group of devs who want to make a great game but are hampered by terrible time tables, unethical employees and all of them tend to get cut off at the knees by people trying to squeeze extra money out of the players/game.
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I do want the "other point of view," however.
Either send me a mail here, or email me at empireof1 at mchsi dot com if you want to express your issues with the game. I want to read what you have to say for an upcoming article. End quote
Good luck, enjoyed the read.
Also took heart to send an email of my view, I hope it is informative.
Safe Travels in lands unfamiliar and may the storm father grant you clear sky.
I think it would be better if you started a new article here, more visibily with a proper subject title.
An article about what is the players opinion about the past & present of EQ2 and suggestions to improvements.
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"All the works of man have their origin in creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate imagination." Carl G. Jung.
You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.
Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).
I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.
“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”
Look let's put it nicely.
Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)
I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.
The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.
Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product, is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.
LMAO!
EverQuest2 (together with EverQuest1) are still one of the few more hardcore fantasygames left within the MMO genre!
EverQuest2 is so so much better than WoW. Now that's what I call a soulless game. Or did you find the TBC expansion in WoW a great expansion? Don't make me laugh!
EverQuest2 offers tons more content and features and gameplay than WoW will ever have.
With the upcoming second expansion (wich took Blizzard again over 2 years) they are going to add the same ol' crap to the game AGAIN! Except for some new heroic class (Wich will start causing an outrage within PVP crybabies for sure. So I forsee the massive nerfbat swinging that direction soon after launch, dumbing it down to just another class).
So please stop your failed troll attempts. You didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to do with EverQuest2. So be it. But don't start being moronic here in trying to prevent players from trying the game! It's just silly and really sad.
How is EQ2 anywhere near a "hardcore" game? It is WoW with EQ's lore, a minigame attached to crafting, and less than a tenth of the playerbase. Don't get me wrong, EQ2 is far and away SOE's best game, but it isn't a more hardcore game than WoW.
After trying EQ2 personally I've found the worst flaw with the game is the performance of the game itself or I should say lack therefor of it. The game lacks multi threaded support then furthermore lighting and shadowing are both being rendered on the cpu rather than the gpu further bottlenecking the game turning it into one big slug. When SoE claimed EQ2 was future proofed what they really meant was it's futurama proofed runs like a slurm slug. It doesn't really matter if you have a good computer or not unless you turn down the graphics the game won't run well even on good computers and even then it only runs moderately and that's on windows xp can't imagine how it is on windows vsta.
EQ2 runs fine on most modern systems and ever since they made it large memory aware it runs great on a 64bit OS with 4GB+ ram also.
I used to run it at 1650x1080 with everyone on max without issues, I would turn it down if people were gathering for an epic quest kill in an area I was running around in alot, but otherwise it's a great game.
I used to play it initially at release, being a huge EQ1 fanboi and then left for WoW due to wanting to play with my RL friends. We recently resubscribed and bought the Ruins of Kunark expansion so we'd have all the content released at our fingertips and we were quite happy with most of the changes they had made since we had been away.
I'm a fan of a harsh death penalty. It keeps the idiots in check, and I was somewhat sad they went away with the good old fashioned Corpse Run. But they did make it easier for us to get some levels, so all was well.
I've since then stopped playing it and resubscribed to CoX instead, again with the friends.
But EQ2 is a fine game in it's own right. I'm not a SOE fanboy, or even a SOE hater. Atleast they let us play with whoever you want, unlike the other games that carve a great big line between the big continents.
No as much effort was put into that reply as was required, for someone coming into MMOs EQ2 offeres a fantastic ammount of gameplay and fun. And a good community , as far as I am concerned the SP is pretty good SOE overall do a good job. And please a majority of their customer base, no problems here.
I fail to take seriously nost anti SOE posters as they just tend to be bitter and twisted SWG Vets.
The statment if you don't like it ... is a bit of a throw away, but in life you can move on and get the most of life or you can like yourself hold grudges, bitternes. I would recommend moving on it is better for your general being.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
See now that interests me.
I was a SWG vet. Pre and Post-update. Combat was more interesting pre update, too many Jedis post-update.
But I haven't let that affect my feelings on Everquest 2. It's a completely different animal to me.
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