no... It started because people that PLAYED the game and have the ability to THIK for THEMSELVES realized that FunCom developed a big fat shiny, really expensive looking TURD.
"small minority of players?!?!?" at this point in the discussion, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that based on your statements and your forum join date, you are someone either employed by FunCom, or are one of those delusional player mods who likes to abuse their powers on the AoC forums.
Is this you Lufkin? HackThorr?
Forget NEW subscribers!!! deal with the fact that you lost like 70% of your EXISTING subscribers!!! Think Im wrong?.... lets wait until the 15th when Funcom announces their Q2 2008 earnings...
How in the WORLD can you blame players for the FAILURE of FunCom?
Are you capable of having one (and I mean JUST ONE) truly individual thought? WE (your so called BAD forum posters) have given REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game.
and all you can say is that it is the players fault?? You sir FAIL>.... and in a big way!No then... if you would like, I would be HAPPY to debate you on why AoC is a good/bad game.
Actually, I hereby CHALLENGE you to a debate on why AoC is a good/bad game Simply post a NEW thread called "Debate with Mscouts on why AoC is a good game." Then ask one of the MMORPG.com mods to see if they can lock it...and only allow you and me to post....
Personally, I think you know you dont have a leg to stand on....
The Challenge is issued..... what say you?
I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You REASONS are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
lol i was thinking the same thing. for a second there i thought he quoted the wrong thread but some times rose colored glasses will do that to you.
90% of the so called "hype" was passed along through forums. 99% of the "don't play this game" shit is passed along through forums. How many people would have actually believed and expected a giant sparkling diamond the day it was released had it not been for forums?
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
wow.... just wow...
here is the REST of the paragraph so you can SEE the context TOOL!
Are you capable of having one (and I mean JUST ONE) truly individual thought? WE (your so called BAD forum posters) have given REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game.
How can you think that a bunch of forum posts could bring down a GOOD game. Now - if it was a BAD game, then yes, exposing the bad game underneath the hype will certanly hurt future sales. Basicaly if FC would put out a solid game, no amount of forum trash talk would be able to hurt them.
What brought AOC down is that they put out a game without content, and the mechanics of the game that had to support that content (which wasnt there) was bugged, untested and rushed in just before release without any beta.
Then comes the lying on one hand and the denial on the other.
About a week or two before release Gaute writes a ncie letter explaining how sieges won't be in beta cause they want to "surprise" us.
Phenomenal release numbers rise and people are let into the severely untested game.
They said quests will be something else - better, more immersive - beyond tortage they became just ordinary "get me 10 badger toenails". Dialogues were a nice fluff thing, but once people realised that dialogues don't actually impact the outcome and you can just press 1 through everything, the ugly side was revealed - marketing hype
Character creation was amazing, but it went through a couple of makeovers during CB, where they made the sliders almost irrelevant. You couldn't make a fat or skinny person - everyone ended up being the same (they did it as a lazy workarround of the huge clipping issues they had - basicaly they solved the clipping by nerfing character generation) - thus another curtain fell - the phenomenal out of this world char gen was all hype, because I still remember an interview just before the launch where Gaute or Erlingsen is basicaly saying something like "you can basicaly model a character after yourself". when they clearly knew it wasnt like that.
Zones were severely instanced, but that wasn't the worst part. They lied in interviews saying that "you can go anywhere your eyes reach" - but then players discover that 3/4 of times the mountains in the background are just an artificial barrier you can't get to. Many buildings in the background you could never reach. Invisible wall were everywhere, and your character would fail moving if the slope was just a bit more sharp.
Not to forget the 1500 (or 15.000 or whatever I'm not sure which big lied out number it was" armor sets - If you re-check the video interview where Erling first said that - they were standing arround a dev, and the dev is showing how they create armor and stuff, and Erling basicaly puts that number into dev's mouth, because he wanted to say something in the lines of "yeah but ..." and he cuts him off and starts the 1500 armour sets mantra. Another lie that got revealed shortly after launch.
When they announced AOC among other things the features were
- Engame sieges
- PvP system with bloodmoney and pvp levels and loot bought for the blood money
- bar room brawls
- unique quest system
Endgame sieges still don't work as they should, pvp system doesn't exist, bar room brawls don't exist, quest system is not that unique once you leave tortage. There was basicaly nothing to do in that beautiful world they created. There was no interactivity.
On top of that, the engine is a resource hog, the minimal spec you can't play on, recomended specs are about 2x lower than in practice for ejoyable gameplay. Basic things that everyone takes for granted and shouldn't be an issue in the game that ambitious - chat system, group interface, quest grouping, guild interface and such, were unintuitive as hell, and bugged in many cases.
Then there is no DX, which isn't a gamebreaking feature, but still, one more lie.
Ontop of all that, after almost 3 months since launch, with all the band-aid paches that introduce a plethora of new bugs, they still don't get off of their high horse and keep thumping their chests about 700k sold boxes - the interview with Erling here on MMORPG.com is an example of either lying on purpose or totaly denial. After all this, they still keep decieving people.
Their forums are heavily censored, and communication with the customers beyond the usual locking threads also non existent. They do not treat their customers as the customers of any company should be treated. I have the money, you want my money, so you need to offer me a quality product coupled with quality and kind service.
All of that is the reason they failed, and they are losing customers. No amount of forum trash talk could even come close to all that they did to themselves. Quit blaming unsatisfied customers for the bad handling of a bad product.
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
Right, the reason AoC is doing poorly is not Funcom's fault. I mean, even though they released it too early, missing promised content, lying to the playerbase, shady advertising, incompotent GM's and forum mods...its the players fault. Cause you know, the players, man, they have it totally in for AoC. I mean even if they want to have fun playing a game, they still want to bring it down. They have complete control over AoC, whereas Funcom has zero.
90% of the so called "hype" was passed along through forums. 99% of the "don't play this game" shit is passed along through forums. How many people would have actually believed and expected a giant sparkling diamond the day it was released had it not been for forums?
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Guns don't kill people. Guys that come home early from work and find their wives in bed with another man kill people.
This thread is actually quite funny. One of the classic AoC apologist arguments has been that "90% of the game population never reads the forums and is having a great time in the game."
If that's true, then how can the forums possibly destroy the game? At worst, the forums would be responsible for 10% of the population disappearing. Actually, more like 5% since the forums are mostly split between fanbois and haters.
So which is it? Nobody reads the forums, or the forums are to blame for the game's failure?
My vote is that Funcom is responsible, thanks to having released a game where not one but several key systems were never even beta tested prior to launch.
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
Right, the reason AoC is doing poorly is not Funcom's fault. I mean, even though they released it too early, missing promised content, lying to the playerbase, shady advertising, incompotent GM's and forum mods...its the players fault. Cause you know, the players, man, they have it totally in for AoC. I mean even if they want to have fun playing a game, they still want to bring it down. They have complete control over AoC, whereas Funcom has zero.
Who is talking about players fault, is that what you make of my reply?
Anyway the game has issue's thing is I would like to see constructive post about it, unfortunaly we keep seeing the same crap post after post "Shady practice, lied to I mean seriously I hope that some people put as much effort against things that really mean something instead of bashing something that is meant for entertainment., atleast some are capeble to cosntructively write about the issue see few reply's up.
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
Holy crap lol this post is just too funny in so many ways.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Originally posted by Reklaw I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You reasons are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
Holy crap lol this post is just too funny in so many ways.
Absolutely ridiculous. How can you think that a bunch of forum posts could bring down a GOOD game. Now - if it was a BAD game, then yes, exposing the bad game underneath the hype will certanly hurt future sales. Basicaly if FC would put out a solid game, no amount of forum trash talk would be able to hurt them. What brought AOC down is that they put out a game without content, and the mechanics of the game that had to support that content (which wasnt there) was bugged, untested and rushed in just before release without any beta. Then comes the lying on one hand and the denial on the other. About a week or two before release Gaute writes a ncie letter explaining how sieges won't be in beta cause they want to "surprise" us. Phenomenal release numbers rise and people are let into the severely untested game. They said quests will be something else - better, more immersive - beyond tortage they became just ordinary "get me 10 badger toenails". Dialogues were a nice fluff thing, but once people realised that dialogues don't actually impact the outcome and you can just press 1 through everything, the ugly side was revealed - marketing hype Character creation was amazing, but it went through a couple of makeovers during CB, where they made the sliders almost irrelevant. You couldn't make a fat or skinny person - everyone ended up being the same (they did it as a lazy workarround of the huge clipping issues they had - basicaly they solved the clipping by nerfing character generation) - thus another curtain fell - the phenomenal out of this world char gen was all hype, because I still remember an interview just before the launch where Gaute or Erlingsen is basicaly saying something like "you can basicaly model a character after yourself". when they clearly knew it wasnt like that. Zones were severely instanced, but that wasn't the worst part. They lied in interviews saying that "you can go anywhere your eyes reach" - but then players discover that 3/4 of times the mountains in the background are just an artificial barrier you can't get to. Many buildings in the background you could never reach. Invisible wall were everywhere, and your character would fail moving if the slope was just a bit more sharp. Not to forget the 1500 (or 15.000 or whatever I'm not sure which big lied out number it was" armor sets - If you re-check the video interview where Erling first said that - they were standing arround a dev, and the dev is showing how they create armor and stuff, and Erling basicaly puts that number into dev's mouth, because he wanted to say something in the lines of "yeah but ..." and he cuts him off and starts the 1500 armour sets mantra. Another lie that got revealed shortly after launch. When they announced AOC among other things the features were - Engame sieges - PvP system with bloodmoney and pvp levels and loot bought for the blood money - bar room brawls - unique quest system Endgame sieges still don't work as they should, pvp system doesn't exist, bar room brawls don't exist, quest system is not that unique once you leave tortage. There was basicaly nothing to do in that beautiful world they created. There was no interactivity. On top of that, the engine is a resource hog, the minimal spec you can't play on, recomended specs are about 2x lower than in practice for ejoyable gameplay. Basic things that everyone takes for granted and shouldn't be an issue in the game that ambitious - chat system, group interface, quest grouping, guild interface and such, were unintuitive as hell, and bugged in many cases. Then there is no DX, which isn't a gamebreaking feature, but still, one more lie. Ontop of all that, after almost 3 months since launch, with all the band-aid paches that introduce a plethora of new bugs, they still don't get off of their high horse and keep thumping their chests about 700k sold boxes - the interview with Erling here on MMORPG.com is an example of either lying on purpose or totaly denial. After all this, they still keep decieving people. Their forums are heavily censored, and communication with the customers beyond the usual locking threads also non existent. They do not treat their customers as the customers of any company should be treated. I have the money, you want my money, so you need to offer me a quality product coupled with quality and kind service. All of that is the reason they failed, and they are losing customers. No amount of forum trash talk could even come close to all that they did to themselves. Quit blaming unsatisfied customers for the bad handling of a bad product.
Okay, since I'm not going to waste my time re-articulating what someone else posted, heres the quote for you. Since Moodah took the time out to post this very long but *constructive* post, these are most of the reasons that mscouts77 is referencing to.
I will say that there was one unique thing about AoC's quests: I have never played any other game where I had to go around cutting the testicles off heyenas.
Okay, since I'm not going to waste my time re-articulating what someone else posted, heres the quote for you. Since Moodah took the time out to post this very long but *constructive* post, these are most of the reasons that mscouts77 is referencing to. Have a nice day.
Exactly. Moodah hit the nail right there.
The OP and several others in this topic really made me laugh. As how incredibly NAIVE can people be?
Just think about the amount of trashtalk World of Warcraft has received during the years! Did it hurt the game? NO! Why? Because it's a good solid game.
Just think about the amount of trashtalk EVE Online received about the T2 BPO scandal 2 years ago, that even made it into the headlines of big newspapers! Did it hurt the game? NO! Why? Subscription numbers keep rising. Because it's a good solid game.
Funcom is to blame and ONLY one to blame for the failure of THEIR game Age of Conan! Not the deceived and ripped off customers!
but will ruin this game is the xfire population I treat like a saint
I have seen numerous players dissuaded to play a game because of one persons "review" of it. If someone doesn't like that game, fine. You are more then welcome to your opinion. But do not start imposing that opinion on other people.
Yea, we wouldnt want people to express their opinions now would we.
What about the positive spin of the devs.. and the fans like Avery. DO they not have an effect also?
My point is people have extremely critical views. 1 person says the game sucks ass and do not play. That person posts on the forums. 100 people read his review, and believe what he says.
That doesn't make any sense. So any game can be 'destroyed' by forums, and WoW, LOTRO, Eve, etc just got lucky, and poor AoC got the short straw? Because we all now no one posts shit about Blizzard!
Hey I'm gonna make a post that Halo 3, GTA IV and Rock Band suck ass, 100 people will believe me and post too, and in about 1 month sales of those games will be a big fat zero. LOL.
I understand where you are coming from. But you have to understand that the whole "funcom sucks" started within a week of release because a very small minority of vocal players (via the forums) spoke out saying how bad the game sucks. While the vast majority of players actaully enjoyed the game. Thus keeping AoC from gaining any new subscribers. And you cannot compare a console game to an mmorpg. At all.
The notion that forums killed this game is totally unfounded given that even the highest view counts on this forum are only a couple of thousand and the game was supposted to have 700,000 subs at launch.
The forums ARE a transmission of word of mouth, which does filter through, but forum posters cannot sink a good game however hard they try. WoW is a perfect example of that, it attracts enormous amounts of hate but is a good game, and I think even the haters of WoW will admit that they hate "parts" of it, but overall they understand that as a game, it's at least not a total con.
AOC is different - it IS a total con, it's a non-game with no content, no stats, no support and no fixes, dressed up in pretty graphics and marketing hype.
AOC is dead because the game is bad, and people know it. The forums merely put more precision to the words of customers who already smell failure in the air.
Don't blame anyone but Funcom for this game dying so fast. They failed at everything, and tried to pull a fast one on their customers by lying through their teeth and holding on as long as they could squeeze a few more pennies out.
But ladies and gentlemen, this is the internet. Freedom of speech and all that. Information. We can share it, and people find out about what happened. Perhaps not today, but definitely tomorrow
Anyone who works at Funcom might consider looking for options at this point.
I understand where you are coming from. But you have to understand that the whole "funcom sucks" started within a week of release because a very small minority of vocal players (via the forums) spoke out saying how bad the game sucks. While the vast majority of players actaully enjoyed the game. Thus keeping AoC from gaining any new subscribers. And you cannot compare a console game to an mmorpg. At all.
LMAO! Sevensodd. Who are you? A secret Funcom employee trying to damage control with this?
Or are you really that dumb and utterly NAIVE and really believe everything you say?
It's STATISTICALLY KNOWN that only about 5% to 10% of the total MMORPG playerbase reads forums, yet alone post in them.
So if everyone that actually reads these forums all stopped playing or even didn't buy Age of Conan, because of the ranting. Then from the 700.000 copies sold there would still be around 600.000-650.000 people playing the game.
Funcom wouldn't have had any need to keep lying and deceiving their customers on forums, videos and articles with lies and false promisses.
Funcom wouldn't have had any need to act like NAZI's on their own forums.
Funcom Employees wouldn't have any need posting here and other public forums to do damage control.
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TRUE FACT is that people find out THEMSELVES IN THE GAME how incredibly broken and crap the game is after Tortage and draw their OWN conclusions from that and then hit the Cancel button on the Account page. They don't need the forums for that!
And next to that Funcom is busy themselves BANNING innocent people left and right for no reason nor any reason given to speed up the process. Or you want to tell me this is the fault of the Forums too?
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Like I said before. There are numerous other MMORPG's out there, and some real big ones, that have and still receive a LOT of trashtalk all over during the years and they are still going strong, without suffering from it!
Why? Because those MMORPG's are actually GOOD and SOLID games. Any person with some form of IQ and Intelligence can make out the TRUE trolls and the People that Complain in a constructive manner.
All the MMORPG's that received a lot of Trashtalk and actually died later on (like Auto Assault, Acheron's Call 2, Hellgate: London, Fury, etc) were simply NOT good and utter CRAP!
It is survival of the fittest. It has always been this way and always will be. Not only in gaming land, but in EVERY form of Bussiness!
You either come up with a GOOD and SOLID product or you just simply go Bankrupt and DIE! Simple as that!
EDIT: And oh... Even our infamous AoC fanboy AmazingAvery is smart enough not to post in this topic. Says enough really.
Oh and guess what. I am still playing EverQuest II and enjoying it a lot, while I read and post a lot on various gaming forums!
If there is one company that has been bashed all over an trashed into the stone age, then it's SOE (mostly due to the NGE fiasco).
To the OP are you that naive to belive gamers are all mindless zombies.
i would like you do do me a favour .
Go to off topic and start a post asking what all the gamers on this site actualy do for a living.
you may be supprised, take the results of this and think to your self could these people actualy do the jobs and careers they do if they were swayed as easly by forum posts.
its pretty insulting actualy to the gaming public to come out with such a rash statment as yours.
Funcom messed up people actualy thought about it and did not like, so they left and many dug there heals in and tried to change some thing what was not right.
so am i to take it gandhi was a whiner and a noob and should have kept his mouth shut because he belived there was an injustic.
The saying "You can't have your Cake & Eat it Too" might sound like gibberish but the concept is generally well understood. In my opinion, claiming that forums destroyed this game seem to fall into that category.
Previously, a common response to the amount of negative comments about the game on various forums was that most players don't visit forums so they aren't generally representative. I actually still agree with this comment, but only from a statistical point of view rather than attempting to spuriously claim that the majority of players that don't visit forums must therefore be happy with the game.
There is a valid argument that people are more likely to post if they are unhappy, but that only potentially explains why forums often seem much more negative & has no effect on those that don't use them. The people that don't use forums remain an unknown quantity, for good or bad.
The statements, "Most Players Don't use Forums" & "Forums Destroyed the Game" are contradictory because in order to destroy the game you would need to affect all players, not just those that use forums.
One ongoing source of damaging comments that does affect all players is the OOC channel within the game, but that is much more representative & almost impossible for Funcom to moderate.
In my opinion of course.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
The saying "You can't have your Cake & Eat it Too" might sound like gibberish but the concept is generally well understood. In my opinion, claiming that forums destroyed this game seem to fall into that category. Previously, a common response to the amount of negative comments about the game on various forums was that most players don't visit forums so they aren't generally representative. I actually still agree with this comment, but only from a statistical point of view rather than attempting to spuriously claim that the majority of players that don't visit forums must therefore be happy with the game. There is a valid argument that people are more likely to post if they are unhappy, but that only potentially explains why forums often seem much more negative & has no effect on those that don't use them. The people that don't use forums remain an unknown quantity, for good or bad. The statements, "Most Players Don't use Forums" & "Forums Destroyed the Game" are contradictory because in order to destroy the game you would need to affect all players, not just those that use forums. One ongoing source of damaging comments that does affect all players is the OOC channel within the game, but that is much more representative & almost impossible for Funcom to moderate. In my opinion of course.
I live for forums but I am one of those few that no matter what game i happen to be playing I will frequent the forum be it good bad or socialising.
But forums generally can destroy a game, and the majority of those that are happy with a game are playing those that arent will make it known especially when a company has poor customer service they get no answers from the company they turn to the playerbase, when those answers from the company still arent forthcoming the posts become more abusive to the point of game cancelation and warning everyone off it.
AOC's crummy launch and overworked CS did absolutely nothing for it other than provide prospective players with a tirade of hatred, poor CS reports and bad reviews to read through so forum's have indirectly killed the game but at the heart of it it was a launch of a game in a early beta state with many missing "on the box" features and a drasticly overworked customer services team that was the undoing.
If a game is really bad..most people will talk bad stuff about it in forums, if ppl get scammed and lied to, they are gonna be mad..and talk bat things about funcom...the game fails becauuse it sucks really bad...its a shame a company has the balls to bring out to public a game like aoc..and brags about it, making a huge hype about it...
There are bad games out every day..yet nobody talks bad about them..they just suck...the problem with aoc is funcom overhyped aoc, told us the game had epic content, huge world etc and when the game is out we find out they lied to us..its not a huge world, it has no content, its full of loading screens everywere, its overinstanced to the bone...
If funcom had told us the truth about the game..there would not be so many people bashing it on the forums..and thats a fact...people are mad with funcom..
In my personnal case i wish funcom goes down really deep, i hope all those liers and scammers are fired and never get a job making games ever again...
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Blame it on me. I single handedly destroyed this game. Muhahaha
Seriously OP, if a game is good, people are too busy playing it, not posting on forums.
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no... It started because people that PLAYED the game and have the ability to THIK for THEMSELVES realized that FunCom developed a big fat shiny, really expensive looking TURD.
"small minority of players?!?!?" at this point in the discussion, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that based on your statements and your forum join date, you are someone either employed by FunCom, or are one of those delusional player mods who likes to abuse their powers on the AoC forums.
Is this you Lufkin? HackThorr?
Forget NEW subscribers!!! deal with the fact that you lost like 70% of your EXISTING subscribers!!! Think Im wrong?.... lets wait until the 15th when Funcom announces their Q2 2008 earnings...
How in the WORLD can you blame players for the FAILURE of FunCom?
Are you capable of having one (and I mean JUST ONE) truly individual thought? WE (your so called BAD forum posters) have given REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game.
and all you can say is that it is the players fault?? You sir FAIL>.... and in a big way!No then... if you would like, I would be HAPPY to debate you on why AoC is a good/bad game.
Actually, I hereby CHALLENGE you to a debate on why AoC is a good/bad game Simply post a NEW thread called "Debate with Mscouts on why AoC is a good game." Then ask one of the MMORPG.com mods to see if they can lock it...and only allow you and me to post....
Personally, I think you know you dont have a leg to stand on....
The Challenge is issued..... what say you?
I really laughed out loud when I saw this, really it amazes me how people THINK, or actualy seem not able to THINK.
You REASONS are so incredible funny it is hard to believe that people put no shame into posting BS like that. But then again I am sure some other indviduals might feel the same way like you do, kinda the reason why we see these games being dumpdown, cause obviously many complainers have simply NO CLUE what so ever about what they spit onto forums.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
lol i was thinking the same thing. for a second there i thought he quoted the wrong thread but some times rose colored glasses will do that to you.
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you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
wow.... just wow...
here is the REST of the paragraph so you can SEE the context TOOL!
Are you capable of having one (and I mean JUST ONE) truly individual thought? WE (your so called BAD forum posters) have given REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game.
go back to school TOOL
Absolutely ridiculous.
How can you think that a bunch of forum posts could bring down a GOOD game. Now - if it was a BAD game, then yes, exposing the bad game underneath the hype will certanly hurt future sales. Basicaly if FC would put out a solid game, no amount of forum trash talk would be able to hurt them.
What brought AOC down is that they put out a game without content, and the mechanics of the game that had to support that content (which wasnt there) was bugged, untested and rushed in just before release without any beta.
Then comes the lying on one hand and the denial on the other.
About a week or two before release Gaute writes a ncie letter explaining how sieges won't be in beta cause they want to "surprise" us.
Phenomenal release numbers rise and people are let into the severely untested game.
They said quests will be something else - better, more immersive - beyond tortage they became just ordinary "get me 10 badger toenails". Dialogues were a nice fluff thing, but once people realised that dialogues don't actually impact the outcome and you can just press 1 through everything, the ugly side was revealed - marketing hype
Character creation was amazing, but it went through a couple of makeovers during CB, where they made the sliders almost irrelevant. You couldn't make a fat or skinny person - everyone ended up being the same (they did it as a lazy workarround of the huge clipping issues they had - basicaly they solved the clipping by nerfing character generation) - thus another curtain fell - the phenomenal out of this world char gen was all hype, because I still remember an interview just before the launch where Gaute or Erlingsen is basicaly saying something like "you can basicaly model a character after yourself". when they clearly knew it wasnt like that.
Zones were severely instanced, but that wasn't the worst part. They lied in interviews saying that "you can go anywhere your eyes reach" - but then players discover that 3/4 of times the mountains in the background are just an artificial barrier you can't get to. Many buildings in the background you could never reach. Invisible wall were everywhere, and your character would fail moving if the slope was just a bit more sharp.
Not to forget the 1500 (or 15.000 or whatever I'm not sure which big lied out number it was" armor sets - If you re-check the video interview where Erling first said that - they were standing arround a dev, and the dev is showing how they create armor and stuff, and Erling basicaly puts that number into dev's mouth, because he wanted to say something in the lines of "yeah but ..." and he cuts him off and starts the 1500 armour sets mantra. Another lie that got revealed shortly after launch.
When they announced AOC among other things the features were
- Engame sieges
- PvP system with bloodmoney and pvp levels and loot bought for the blood money
- bar room brawls
- unique quest system
Endgame sieges still don't work as they should, pvp system doesn't exist, bar room brawls don't exist, quest system is not that unique once you leave tortage. There was basicaly nothing to do in that beautiful world they created. There was no interactivity.
On top of that, the engine is a resource hog, the minimal spec you can't play on, recomended specs are about 2x lower than in practice for ejoyable gameplay. Basic things that everyone takes for granted and shouldn't be an issue in the game that ambitious - chat system, group interface, quest grouping, guild interface and such, were unintuitive as hell, and bugged in many cases.
Then there is no DX, which isn't a gamebreaking feature, but still, one more lie.
Ontop of all that, after almost 3 months since launch, with all the band-aid paches that introduce a plethora of new bugs, they still don't get off of their high horse and keep thumping their chests about 700k sold boxes - the interview with Erling here on MMORPG.com is an example of either lying on purpose or totaly denial. After all this, they still keep decieving people.
Their forums are heavily censored, and communication with the customers beyond the usual locking threads also non existent. They do not treat their customers as the customers of any company should be treated. I have the money, you want my money, so you need to offer me a quality product coupled with quality and kind service.
All of that is the reason they failed, and they are losing customers. No amount of forum trash talk could even come close to all that they did to themselves. Quit blaming unsatisfied customers for the bad handling of a bad product.
Right, the reason AoC is doing poorly is not Funcom's fault. I mean, even though they released it too early, missing promised content, lying to the playerbase, shady advertising, incompotent GM's and forum mods...its the players fault. Cause you know, the players, man, they have it totally in for AoC. I mean even if they want to have fun playing a game, they still want to bring it down. They have complete control over AoC, whereas Funcom has zero.
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Guns don't kill people. Guys that come home early from work and find their wives in bed with another man kill people.Gamer Plus+
This thread is actually quite funny. One of the classic AoC apologist arguments has been that "90% of the game population never reads the forums and is having a great time in the game."
If that's true, then how can the forums possibly destroy the game? At worst, the forums would be responsible for 10% of the population disappearing. Actually, more like 5% since the forums are mostly split between fanbois and haters.
So which is it? Nobody reads the forums, or the forums are to blame for the game's failure?
My vote is that Funcom is responsible, thanks to having released a game where not one but several key systems were never even beta tested prior to launch.
Right, the reason AoC is doing poorly is not Funcom's fault. I mean, even though they released it too early, missing promised content, lying to the playerbase, shady advertising, incompotent GM's and forum mods...its the players fault. Cause you know, the players, man, they have it totally in for AoC. I mean even if they want to have fun playing a game, they still want to bring it down. They have complete control over AoC, whereas Funcom has zero.
Who is talking about players fault, is that what you make of my reply?
Anyway the game has issue's thing is I would like to see constructive post about it, unfortunaly we keep seeing the same crap post after post "Shady practice, lied to I mean seriously I hope that some people put as much effort against things that really mean something instead of bashing something that is meant for entertainment., atleast some are capeble to cosntructively write about the issue see few reply's up.
you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
Holy crap lol this post is just too funny in so many ways.
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you laugh at my reasons?....yet I didnt post any....
L2READ and try to pick up on the CONTEXT of the sentences....
Originally posted by mscouts77 : "REASONS why we dont trust FunCom. We have given REASONS why FunCom is shady. REASONS why FunCom lied. REASONS why FunCom STOLE. REASONS why AoC is a VERY bad game."
Learn to understand what you read !!
Holy crap lol this post is just too funny in so many ways.
most entertainment I've had all night!!!!
Okay, since I'm not going to waste my time re-articulating what someone else posted, heres the quote for you. Since Moodah took the time out to post this very long but *constructive* post, these are most of the reasons that mscouts77 is referencing to.
Have a nice day.
I will say that there was one unique thing about AoC's quests: I have never played any other game where I had to go around cutting the testicles off heyenas.
Exactly. Moodah hit the nail right there.
The OP and several others in this topic really made me laugh. As how incredibly NAIVE can people be?
Just think about the amount of trashtalk World of Warcraft has received during the years! Did it hurt the game? NO! Why? Because it's a good solid game.
Just think about the amount of trashtalk EVE Online received about the T2 BPO scandal 2 years ago, that even made it into the headlines of big newspapers! Did it hurt the game? NO! Why? Subscription numbers keep rising. Because it's a good solid game.
Funcom is to blame and ONLY one to blame for the failure of THEIR game Age of Conan! Not the deceived and ripped off customers!
Have a nice day.
I have seen numerous players dissuaded to play a game because of one persons "review" of it. If someone doesn't like that game, fine. You are more then welcome to your opinion. But do not start imposing that opinion on other people.
Yea, we wouldnt want people to express their opinions now would we.
What about the positive spin of the devs.. and the fans like Avery. DO they not have an effect also?
Face it. The game is a pile of rubbish.
My point is people have extremely critical views. 1 person says the game sucks ass and do not play. That person posts on the forums. 100 people read his review, and believe what he says.
That doesn't make any sense. So any game can be 'destroyed' by forums, and WoW, LOTRO, Eve, etc just got lucky, and poor AoC got the short straw? Because we all now no one posts shit about Blizzard!
Hey I'm gonna make a post that Halo 3, GTA IV and Rock Band suck ass, 100 people will believe me and post too, and in about 1 month sales of those games will be a big fat zero. LOL.
I understand where you are coming from. But you have to understand that the whole "funcom sucks" started within a week of release because a very small minority of vocal players (via the forums) spoke out saying how bad the game sucks. While the vast majority of players actaully enjoyed the game. Thus keeping AoC from gaining any new subscribers. And you cannot compare a console game to an mmorpg. At all.
No, you don't.
The notion that forums killed this game is totally unfounded given that even the highest view counts on this forum are only a couple of thousand and the game was supposted to have 700,000 subs at launch.
The forums ARE a transmission of word of mouth, which does filter through, but forum posters cannot sink a good game however hard they try. WoW is a perfect example of that, it attracts enormous amounts of hate but is a good game, and I think even the haters of WoW will admit that they hate "parts" of it, but overall they understand that as a game, it's at least not a total con.
AOC is different - it IS a total con, it's a non-game with no content, no stats, no support and no fixes, dressed up in pretty graphics and marketing hype.
AOC is dead because the game is bad, and people know it. The forums merely put more precision to the words of customers who already smell failure in the air.
Don't blame anyone but Funcom for this game dying so fast. They failed at everything, and tried to pull a fast one on their customers by lying through their teeth and holding on as long as they could squeeze a few more pennies out.
But ladies and gentlemen, this is the internet. Freedom of speech and all that. Information. We can share it, and people find out about what happened. Perhaps not today, but definitely tomorrow
Anyone who works at Funcom might consider looking for options at this point.
LMAO! Sevensodd. Who are you? A secret Funcom employee trying to damage control with this?
Or are you really that dumb and utterly NAIVE and really believe everything you say?
It's STATISTICALLY KNOWN that only about 5% to 10% of the total MMORPG playerbase reads forums, yet alone post in them.
So if everyone that actually reads these forums all stopped playing or even didn't buy Age of Conan, because of the ranting. Then from the 700.000 copies sold there would still be around 600.000-650.000 people playing the game.
Funcom wouldn't have had any need to keep lying and deceiving their customers on forums, videos and articles with lies and false promisses.
Funcom wouldn't have had any need to act like NAZI's on their own forums.
Funcom Employees wouldn't have any need posting here and other public forums to do damage control.
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TRUE FACT is that people find out THEMSELVES IN THE GAME how incredibly broken and crap the game is after Tortage and draw their OWN conclusions from that and then hit the Cancel button on the Account page. They don't need the forums for that!
And next to that Funcom is busy themselves BANNING innocent people left and right for no reason nor any reason given to speed up the process. Or you want to tell me this is the fault of the Forums too?
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Like I said before. There are numerous other MMORPG's out there, and some real big ones, that have and still receive a LOT of trashtalk all over during the years and they are still going strong, without suffering from it!
Why? Because those MMORPG's are actually GOOD and SOLID games. Any person with some form of IQ and Intelligence can make out the TRUE trolls and the People that Complain in a constructive manner.
All the MMORPG's that received a lot of Trashtalk and actually died later on (like Auto Assault, Acheron's Call 2, Hellgate: London, Fury, etc) were simply NOT good and utter CRAP!
It is survival of the fittest. It has always been this way and always will be. Not only in gaming land, but in EVERY form of Bussiness!
You either come up with a GOOD and SOLID product or you just simply go Bankrupt and DIE! Simple as that!
EDIT: And oh... Even our infamous AoC fanboy AmazingAvery is smart enough not to post in this topic. Says enough really.
Oh and guess what. I am still playing EverQuest II and enjoying it a lot, while I read and post a lot on various gaming forums!
If there is one company that has been bashed all over an trashed into the stone age, then it's SOE (mostly due to the NGE fiasco).
So do your math and wake up!
Have a nice day.
To the OP are you that naive to belive gamers are all mindless zombies.
i would like you do do me a favour .
Go to off topic and start a post asking what all the gamers on this site actualy do for a living.
you may be supprised, take the results of this and think to your self could these people actualy do the jobs and careers they do if they were swayed as easly by forum posts.
its pretty insulting actualy to the gaming public to come out with such a rash statment as yours.
Funcom messed up people actualy thought about it and did not like, so they left and many dug there heals in and tried to change some thing what was not right.
so am i to take it gandhi was a whiner and a noob and should have kept his mouth shut because he belived there was an injustic.
The saying "You can't have your Cake & Eat it Too" might sound like gibberish but the concept is generally well understood. In my opinion, claiming that forums destroyed this game seem to fall into that category.
Previously, a common response to the amount of negative comments about the game on various forums was that most players don't visit forums so they aren't generally representative. I actually still agree with this comment, but only from a statistical point of view rather than attempting to spuriously claim that the majority of players that don't visit forums must therefore be happy with the game.
There is a valid argument that people are more likely to post if they are unhappy, but that only potentially explains why forums often seem much more negative & has no effect on those that don't use them. The people that don't use forums remain an unknown quantity, for good or bad.
The statements, "Most Players Don't use Forums" & "Forums Destroyed the Game" are contradictory because in order to destroy the game you would need to affect all players, not just those that use forums.
One ongoing source of damaging comments that does affect all players is the OOC channel within the game, but that is much more representative & almost impossible for Funcom to moderate.
In my opinion of course.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
I live for forums but I am one of those few that no matter what game i happen to be playing I will frequent the forum be it good bad or socialising.
But forums generally can destroy a game, and the majority of those that are happy with a game are playing those that arent will make it known especially when a company has poor customer service they get no answers from the company they turn to the playerbase, when those answers from the company still arent forthcoming the posts become more abusive to the point of game cancelation and warning everyone off it.
AOC's crummy launch and overworked CS did absolutely nothing for it other than provide prospective players with a tirade of hatred, poor CS reports and bad reviews to read through so forum's have indirectly killed the game but at the heart of it it was a launch of a game in a early beta state with many missing "on the box" features and a drasticly overworked customer services team that was the undoing.
If a game is really bad..most people will talk bad stuff about it in forums, if ppl get scammed and lied to, they are gonna be mad..and talk bat things about funcom...the game fails becauuse it sucks really bad...its a shame a company has the balls to bring out to public a game like aoc..and brags about it, making a huge hype about it...
There are bad games out every day..yet nobody talks bad about them..they just suck...the problem with aoc is funcom overhyped aoc, told us the game had epic content, huge world etc and when the game is out we find out they lied to us..its not a huge world, it has no content, its full of loading screens everywere, its overinstanced to the bone...
If funcom had told us the truth about the game..there would not be so many people bashing it on the forums..and thats a fact...people are mad with funcom..
In my personnal case i wish funcom goes down really deep, i hope all those liers and scammers are fired and never get a job making games ever again...