didnt notice there was a second thread about this ..... anyways, i dunno why georgia feels it has to ask for U.S. planes to fly their men back, it sounds like a plan to get us into the conflict and onto Georgia's side, and im a little irked they had the nerve to ask that.
Not much chance of that, Russia closed Georgian airspace 12 hours ago.
thanks for your response baff. i personally think russia wants/wanted this. similar to our president/administration wanted- wants to shape the middle east. i can't trust putin. however, we all have our agendas. i think americas are far more noble than any others, in the long run. of course, im biased. as is the average russian citizen.
If Russia does want this, they are in the perfect position to over throw the Georgian government.
thanks for your response baff. i personally think russia wants/wanted this. US/Georgia attacked the Russians. i can't trust putin. however, we all have our agendas. Yes, everyone knows the Bush administration can be trusted. i think americas are far more noble than any others, in the long run. ROFL!!! of course, im biased. Your incredibly naive. as is the average russian citizen.
I doubt Russia undertook this without having weighed the probable reactions of Georgia's supposed allies: the fact that they're doing this anyway (even in a "measured" way) tells me that they believe the West wont intervene in any significant way. Time will tell if they are right in their assessment.
Well, the Russians do have the historical example of Hungary and Czechoslovokia to measure the west/NATO response, if they decide that they really want Georgia back. It's all about the politics of oil.
Putin still seems to be making a point to get their attention. The Georgians have been talking when they really should have been listening. David and Goliath is such a sweet story, to bad that it has no place in modern geo-politics. David needs a big, bad, brother to defend him, Unfortunately he's an orphan. Oh, he'd get alot of sympathy from the talking heads at the United Nations, and I'm sure the US will issue a statement condemning Russia's actions should they ultimately decide to swallow Georgia up, but don't expect much more. Like a sexy woman, the US likes to lead them on with promises in the dark, but rarely delivers. Putin will take Georgia to school where they will learn the error of their ways.
I still remember a Bush-Gore debate in which Bush responded to a question by saying that he would consult with our friends, the Russians. Gore responded by asking whether the Russians really were our friends, and Bush looked confused. Bush has never really gotten it, he still thinks Islamic fundamentalism is a more serious threat. Bush is another one that has been talking when he should be listening.
american troops are in georgia? georgian troops are in iraq. i see. why wont russia leave georgia alone? besides the our troops and georgie troops element, what other elements are there to this equation? what did georgie do besides seek independence?
First off, this ain't new, man. This has been coming for about six months. Second, the OP is leaving a lot out. Here's the breakdown. It's cause and effect.
Step 1. February this year. Kosovo breaks away from Serbia and gains independence. It can only do this because it has the backing of America. Who is the major objector here, aside from Serbia? Russia, Serbia's big brother in the international scene. Because Russia's voice effectively gets ignored here, they feel the need to reassert their international power. They plan to do this with actions rather than words. Speculation starts here that Russia will give armed backing to the breakaway of ethnic Russian separatist regions that were formerly disputed. There are several such regions, but even now, one name gets dropped as the serious choice. South Ossetia. It's a no-brainer because South Ossetia is within Georgia, and the two nations do not exactly have cordial relations.
Step 2. Fast forward to the present day. Just like people predicted, it happens. South Ossetia begins a major armed uprising. In response, the Georgian government commences military operations against the separatists. And on cue, Russian tanks and air assets move into the area, under the guise of "peacekeeping forces". The Georgians begin to shell South Ossetia. The Russians launch air strikes against civilian targets in Georgia. As far as Russia is concerned, it's now war. They've used that word. The Georgians don't want to use that word because they really have no chance.
Anyhow, I wouldn't worry about this too much, man. Russia's still pretty weak, on the whole. Want to know what should worry you? Fast forward about ten years once China's fifth-generation fighter program is in full production, and they've modernized the rest of their conventional weapons arsenal. They're going to want to strut their stuff at that point in time. That'll probably be a lot more ugly.
@Draenor, you come from a benevolent and giving country. You contributions to charititable causes are immense and world changing. But you don't know when to mind your own business.
Your country was singing a different tune when the Nazi's were knocking at your door, bombing your cities, and preparing to invade your shores.
The amount of Nukes either side has is also irrelevant. Any nuclear exchange would be bad as both sides would need to resort to a full strike doing nothing but ensuring the death of our species...have you forgotten your history already? We have already covered this ground for 50 years of nuclear stalemate with the soviets. Even if the U.S. launched ZERO weapons and took a full strike from the Russians the fallout would kill just about everyone on the globe. We already know that.
The Russians will get their way in this matter. There is really nothing anyone can do otherwise. U.S. forces are bogged down on two fronts and the Europeans are not going to do anything.
@Draenor, you come from a benevolent and giving country. You contributions to charititable causes are immense and world changing. But you don't know when to mind your own business.
Your country was singing a different tune when the Nazi's were knocking at your door, bombing your cities, and preparing to invade your shores.
The amount of Nukes either side has is also irrelevant. Any nuclear exchange would be bad as both sides would need to resort to a full strike doing nothing but ensuring the death of our species...have you forgotten your history already? We have already covered this ground for 50 years of nuclear stalemate with the soviets. Even if the U.S. launched ZERO weapons and took a full strike from the Russians the fallout would kill just about everyone on the globe. We already know that.
The Russians will get their way in this matter. There is really nothing anyone can do otherwise. U.S. forces are bogged down on two fronts and the Europeans are not going to do anything.
My country was begging your country when we were about to be invaded.
Which is why we feel completely differently about the Canadians than we do about you, since unlike you, they not only showed up to help in our defence, but they volunteered.
I don't know of any evidence ot suggest that the nuclear devastaion of one country would end thew world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are both very lively cities and the fallout from Chernobyl didn't kill me.
The amount of nukes is very important. Also the location fo those nukes. The ability to launch a sneak attack or first strike and disable all your enemies nukes is very relevent.
Surely you remember the Cuban missile crisis. Short range missiles give you less time to respond after detection.
The more nukes you have the harder it is to get them all in a pre-emptive strike. Britain and France for example would only require a couple of well placed torpedoes to be rendered incapable of retaliation.
Currently the U.S. has broken it's nuclear obligations and has been develeoping new types of warheads and a strategic missile defence. The stalemate of which you talk is something you no longer respect, and the Russians would be fools not to redress the imbalance.
I concur that Russia has effective free reign in this area. They are the power in this region.
The amount of nukes is very important. Also the location fo those nukes. The ability to launch a sneak attack or first strike and disable all your enemies nukes is very relevent.
exactly. which is why the united states will never be faced head on or attacked openly(well never say never but..)
im not saying we cant be hit. i dont knwo that. but we cannot be prevented from counter attacks and any nuclear attack toward the u.s. will bring the pain down on whoever does it, and they know it. not going to happen.
thanks for your response baff. i personally think russia wants/wanted this. US/Georgia attacked the Russians. i can't trust putin. however, we all have our agendas. Yes, everyone knows the Bush administration can be trusted. i think americas are far more noble than any others, in the long run. ROFL!!! of course, im biased. Your incredibly naive. as is the average russian citizen.
That doesn't make you any less naive.
thanks for your input. i shall add naive and biased when i talk about world events next time.
i prefer not to think of myself as naive however. i prefer to think that men/nations of power..the men ruling them-are just the same as me...
do you pedestal people of great power and influence?
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Not much chance of that, Russia closed Georgian airspace 12 hours ago.
They will be taking the train.
If Russia does want this, they are in the perfect position to over throw the Georgian government.
Time will tell.
That doesn't make you any less naive.
Well, the Russians do have the historical example of Hungary and Czechoslovokia to measure the west/NATO response, if they decide that they really want Georgia back. It's all about the politics of oil.
Putin still seems to be making a point to get their attention. The Georgians have been talking when they really should have been listening. David and Goliath is such a sweet story, to bad that it has no place in modern geo-politics. David needs a big, bad, brother to defend him, Unfortunately he's an orphan. Oh, he'd get alot of sympathy from the talking heads at the United Nations, and I'm sure the US will issue a statement condemning Russia's actions should they ultimately decide to swallow Georgia up, but don't expect much more. Like a sexy woman, the US likes to lead them on with promises in the dark, but rarely delivers. Putin will take Georgia to school where they will learn the error of their ways.
I still remember a Bush-Gore debate in which Bush responded to a question by saying that he would consult with our friends, the Russians. Gore responded by asking whether the Russians really were our friends, and Bush looked confused. Bush has never really gotten it, he still thinks Islamic fundamentalism is a more serious threat. Bush is another one that has been talking when he should be listening.
Once again, he's been had by Putin.
First off, this ain't new, man. This has been coming for about six months. Second, the OP is leaving a lot out. Here's the breakdown. It's cause and effect.
Step 1. February this year. Kosovo breaks away from Serbia and gains independence. It can only do this because it has the backing of America. Who is the major objector here, aside from Serbia? Russia, Serbia's big brother in the international scene. Because Russia's voice effectively gets ignored here, they feel the need to reassert their international power. They plan to do this with actions rather than words. Speculation starts here that Russia will give armed backing to the breakaway of ethnic Russian separatist regions that were formerly disputed. There are several such regions, but even now, one name gets dropped as the serious choice. South Ossetia. It's a no-brainer because South Ossetia is within Georgia, and the two nations do not exactly have cordial relations.
Step 2. Fast forward to the present day. Just like people predicted, it happens. South Ossetia begins a major armed uprising. In response, the Georgian government commences military operations against the separatists. And on cue, Russian tanks and air assets move into the area, under the guise of "peacekeeping forces". The Georgians begin to shell South Ossetia. The Russians launch air strikes against civilian targets in Georgia. As far as Russia is concerned, it's now war. They've used that word. The Georgians don't want to use that word because they really have no chance.
Anyhow, I wouldn't worry about this too much, man. Russia's still pretty weak, on the whole. Want to know what should worry you? Fast forward about ten years once China's fifth-generation fighter program is in full production, and they've modernized the rest of their conventional weapons arsenal. They're going to want to strut their stuff at that point in time. That'll probably be a lot more ugly.
Your country was singing a different tune when the Nazi's were knocking at your door, bombing your cities, and preparing to invade your shores.
The amount of Nukes either side has is also irrelevant. Any nuclear exchange would be bad as both sides would need to resort to a full strike doing nothing but ensuring the death of our species...have you forgotten your history already? We have already covered this ground for 50 years of nuclear stalemate with the soviets. Even if the U.S. launched ZERO weapons and took a full strike from the Russians the fallout would kill just about everyone on the globe. We already know that.
The Russians will get their way in this matter. There is really nothing anyone can do otherwise. U.S. forces are bogged down on two fronts and the Europeans are not going to do anything.
Your country was singing a different tune when the Nazi's were knocking at your door, bombing your cities, and preparing to invade your shores.
The amount of Nukes either side has is also irrelevant. Any nuclear exchange would be bad as both sides would need to resort to a full strike doing nothing but ensuring the death of our species...have you forgotten your history already? We have already covered this ground for 50 years of nuclear stalemate with the soviets. Even if the U.S. launched ZERO weapons and took a full strike from the Russians the fallout would kill just about everyone on the globe. We already know that.
The Russians will get their way in this matter. There is really nothing anyone can do otherwise. U.S. forces are bogged down on two fronts and the Europeans are not going to do anything.
My country was begging your country when we were about to be invaded.
Which is why we feel completely differently about the Canadians than we do about you, since unlike you, they not only showed up to help in our defence, but they volunteered.
I don't know of any evidence ot suggest that the nuclear devastaion of one country would end thew world. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are both very lively cities and the fallout from Chernobyl didn't kill me.
The amount of nukes is very important. Also the location fo those nukes. The ability to launch a sneak attack or first strike and disable all your enemies nukes is very relevent.
Surely you remember the Cuban missile crisis. Short range missiles give you less time to respond after detection.
The more nukes you have the harder it is to get them all in a pre-emptive strike. Britain and France for example would only require a couple of well placed torpedoes to be rendered incapable of retaliation.
Currently the U.S. has broken it's nuclear obligations and has been develeoping new types of warheads and a strategic missile defence. The stalemate of which you talk is something you no longer respect, and the Russians would be fools not to redress the imbalance.
I concur that Russia has effective free reign in this area. They are the power in this region.
exactly. which is why the united states will never be faced head on or attacked openly(well never say never but..)
im not saying we cant be hit. i dont knwo that. but we cannot be prevented from counter attacks and any nuclear attack toward the u.s. will bring the pain down on whoever does it, and they know it. not going to happen.
That doesn't make you any less naive.
thanks for your input. i shall add naive and biased when i talk about world events next time.
i prefer not to think of myself as naive however. i prefer to think that men/nations of power..the men ruling them-are just the same as me...
do you pedestal people of great power and influence?
you should not.
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-