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pineapples
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I think it's a little funny.
Back in the days of the PE version, there was a great deal of debate going on. Everyone felt it was reasonable to demand, demand, demand. Even if the production team hinted at anything, the forum trolls were all over it with guns blazing.
And now? What?
Read the game description folks. This game is basically the same thing that PE was making, except it's everything you all argued against. In this game, your entire crew is NPC-based. There's no "player crews", and even if there's interiors, it's going to be lots of fun walking around your ship alone.
So then what else? Coming from a company which has made nothing but the opposite of "sandbox" games, which is what everyone is demanding. Oh, and using the "Cryptic Engine" which will no doubt have that comic-book, cartoony edge that I know makes me giddy and excited 
.
Face it, folks. You harassed PE to the point of collapse and now Cryptic is giving you the game you pretty much didn't want. Hilarious!
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i actually totally agree with your assement Pineapples.
I am not really happy aboujt it, but i think most of the major dev houses are stuck in a rut/mind set of levels/grind/quest/etc.
I just do not see the point in ranting and posting about how nothing has changed with this game. I will lurk and see if you and i are wrong (i doubt it), and what hits the servers will interesting enough to pay for both the inital box and then the monthy fees.
With Respect
Seloth
I think...
That you think, that this is a bit more than just a "little" funny. If in fact what you say is true I will be Passing on this MMORPG.
Seems like a financial deathwish. I mean come on, I know devs kinda do their own thing but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that ST fans aren't going to accept anything dumbed down or compromised.
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Actually I will accept whatever they put out for at least a month. Ans, I bet 75% of the people who start playing at release will find it fun and keep playing.
Fun......theres a concept. People seem to be so focused on what they want in the game, what they "demand" be in the game, they give no consideration to waiting and actually giving the game a shot.
Just because you have experience playing games doesn't mean you know what everyone else wants in a game. Personally I want a fun, enjoyable game and I'm willing to give them a shot at making one. They are the devs after all.
Seems like a financial deathwish. I mean come on, I know devs kinda do their own thing but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that ST fans aren't going to accept anything dumbed down or compromised.
I'm forced to agree here...I know I won't be investing in this game unless it has the features I want in a STAR TREK mmorpg. I will give Cryptic a chance, but I am very unforgiving since SOE Raped, Robbed, and Murdered SWG. I won't just take what they give me anymore! From now on, they are gonna have to earn my business!
Seems like a financial deathwish. I mean come on, I know devs kinda do their own thing but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that ST fans aren't going to accept anything dumbed down or compromised.
I'm forced to agree here...I know I won't be investing in this game unless it has the features I want in a STAR TREK mmorpg. I will give Cryptic a chance, but I am very unforgiving since SOE Raped, Robbed, and Murdered SWG. I won't just take what they give me anymore! From now on, they are gonna have to earn my business!
Agreed
I was not cornholed as others with the SWG fiasco as (bad) as others. Even tried the NGE (10 months after its launch) and had some fun for a short while til it became very boring fast. I empathize and synpothize with those that were lied to and mislead. I as an MMO consumer no longer accept crappy MMOs or unethical behavior by the producing company just because it is an IP that I like.
If cryptic makes a run of the mill game and there is truely nothing that makes it special over the orcs and wizards out there, I will just continue with EVE. For all of EVE's drawbacks it is a different game than the rest.
Sandbox rules!!!...
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I don't see what's funny. It's not like the community is holding Cryptic to another standard than PE ?Just see the 100 billion captain thread at the official forum. Features matters and if STO turns out to be the same as what PE fronted, I will not buy it.
So far the features presented is somewhat vague and not really clear. At least they have an official forum not run by fanboys.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Well everyone wants to be a captain. So they gonna get it.
A boring ship filled with an NPC crew with you as captain on the helm.
And as they have made City of Heroes, you can already start imagining how the (away)mission system is going to look like.
And then there is indeed the Cryptic Engine (see the screenshots) and we are faced with Cartoonish graphics. Not something I look forward to in experiencing the vast, immersive and detailed Star Trek Universe as a cartoon
Ahh well. After PE fiasco I already gave up on a good Star Trek MMO.
Wow, you're good. You surmised all of this from one very vague overview of the game? You must have psychic powers or something or work for Cryptic as they have given zero details about the game yet to the general public. I was very down on PE's version of this game and I can tell right away from just the overview that this game is going to be very different. I am still skeptical like I am about all new MMOs so I will wait for more info before I make any psychophantic rants like yours. Why don't you just chill a little and see what this new version is all about before you condemn it.
Bren
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"harassed PE to the point of collapse"
Now that's funny. So now that we've killed Perpetual Entertainment, who should we ruin next?
SOE?
I wonder...
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
This is so true, but you won't have to wait long, they will be foaming at the mouth again soon, with every word spoken about this game it is becoming more and more apparent they haven't changed much, regardless of Emmert' making bizarre claims trying to distance it from PE's version.
These forums have became so negative lately that I rarely even post in them anymore. Seems to be a Troll and hater magnet (not just in the STO thread, but EVERY thread). Look at the official forums, you will not find all the "sky is falling, this game is doomed" rants. The community there seems to be very positive and excited about the game, and if people would actually read (I know this is a novel idea) the dev interviews , they would see a dedicated team intent on making a good Star Trek mmo and "not an MMO with a Star Trek skin on it. "
honestly i still see this and think EnB with a Star Trek skin.
Fine with me i Loved EnB.
So im going for that approach.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
I know a lot folks are new here, but a long time a go, in August 2004, on http://boards.startrek.com/community/messages.html?act=SF;f=15 PE had a five developers posting on their "official forums". For a few months, the developers and fans had great communication going and believe it or not, Star Trek Online even had a community manager. Star Trek Online was doing fine. Then, one day the project lead, Glen, told us that he was moving the community away from STO and moving over to God's and Heroes Online.
I have nothing to prove it, but I feel that Glen got fed up with his staff being taken away so they could work on Gods and Heroes and this led to Glen leaving PE. Communications got very quiet for a very long time at PE. Daron Stinnett was announced as the new project lead and everything with regards to STO went downhill from there over a long, painful period of time. Once Glen left, PE never really got involved on their official forums with the community again. Then, once Daron was on board, ST-O.net became the "unofficial source" of all things Star Trek Online. Official quotes would come on out the ST-O.net website before it would appear on the offcial Star Trek Online website. It all got old quick and there was a lot of backlash in the community because of the first "official fan site" of PE's being their official mouth piece instead of their own website.
So, in the beginning there was a lot of great debate and that was because it was encouraged. Glen enjoyed engaging with us. Over time, once Daron came on, discussions were long and vocal amoungst each other without any feedback from PE at all, because the fans didn't matter any more. After all, Daron made a now famous quote saying "We're not making a game for Trekkies".
Hopefully, Cryptic does want to make a game for trekkies.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Ah to hold such power would be glorious. Never again shall our men in uniform go over seas to fight wars. Venomous words and smite shall crush our enemies. Muhahahahahaha
Most businesses fail- that is a fact. PE deserved to be one of their members.
Many reasons can be used for their failure. But to say that the fans/consumer were the problems is plain ridicules.
To name a few problems I saw:
PE never understood the concept of time management. They had poor communication skills. They used their internal resources poorly. Financial and legal problems strung up because they had their thumbs up their..............I will let you finish that sentence.
PS: Any of these problems could kill a company. PE didn't have just one hole in their boat.....they put so many into the haul it was bound to go down.
The fact that people actually agree with you baffles me beyond Warp factor 10, I mean seriously have you even played the game yet?
I'm trying to see where you are coming from but it just seems like you went for surface value and stuck with your opinion and that just mesmerizes me beyond imagining.
Most of the things that people are complaining about are things that these developers say they have set out to accomplish and its when they don't accomplish it that I will complain...but I'm not a guy to complain anyway....I'll just stop playing till I feel like trying the game again.
But seriously your opinion is like a little child denied of what he wants and given what his parents think he needs and instead of accepting it and trying it out to see the outcome you begin to stomp your feet and cry out loud for your neighbours to hear you, agree with you and plead for you........ its sad.
This is not a game.
@Zerox
"Stomp [my] feet and cry out loud"?
Did you even read my post?
Everything I said was merely to point out the humour in the relation between PE's STO and Cryptic's. Not once have I trolled around complaining that we aren't getting the game we "deserve" or it's going to suck, or anything really.
Honestly, whatever game they manage to throw together I'll end up trying out regardless. So from my own personal viewpoint, I could care less at this point and if it turns out great, awesome -- more power to 'em. If not, then I won't cry about it.
But yeah, next time maybe read my post before you label me a whiner. Just a thought.