For every troll who wants to diss Vanguard or SOE, be my guest. I completely respect everyone's right to an opinion. That being said, my opinion is that Vanguard is the most in-depth PvE game around. Everything about the game is intriguing if you choose to look.
I have played: Meridian 59, UO, AC, AC2, Shadowbane, DaoC, AO, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, AoC, AA, COH/COV, RYL, Horizons, WAR Beta, Planetside, SWG, EVE, DnL, FoM, L2, FFXI, and probably some others that don't come to mind right now. Out of all those games, I have never felt compelled to roll a new character becasuse I wanted to play another one, not because I was bored. In Vanguard, each character and race are so unique that they each have their own set of starting quest lines and geographic areas. Sure, some of the games let you pick from a handful of starting locations but in VG, each race has it's own area with it's own problems that need solving.
I never find myself bored in Vanguard to the point of wanting to play another character... I play another character in order to experience each becuase I like them all so much. Each character's ability sets are unique in that you have to develop a different strategy to play each one which I LOVE. As mentioned before, the thought process that goes into thinking 3 steps ahead of your opponent keeps you on your toes and stops you from button mashing. By the mid 20s you shoulds be starting to time your attacks and abilities in order to have them cool down in time for a super hit to end the fight faster.
All in all, VG is the best bang for gaming buck. At $10 retail (local game store for me) I have definately played my $10 worth and then some. Actually, my local game store ordered 10 CE boxes because apparently the demand was there. I think it's great the game is catching with those who left WoW and AoC.
Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old.
I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it
Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old. I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it I almost cried, I was so excited!
If you created a brand new Station account, you might be able to sell the game and your account. A buyer would have to update their address and enter a new password, but other than that you should be fine to sell it (just don't tell SOE).
I have mixed feelings about VG. I had some problems getting it to run well, but I have got it to run OK.
I do think it suffers not from having too steep sys reqs, but rather poorly optimized code. I think you could get the similar graphics out of a lesser system with a better client. Of course I have nothing to do with Sigil or SOE so what do I know?
But VG is a pretty darn good game overall. The hugeness of the world is a BIG bonus in the fantasy genre - the only other MMO I can think of hand that has such epicness is EVE. And like some others here I also think VG would benefit tremendously from the more EVE-like approach of having one server for everyone to play on. Then they could add that 4th continent .
The crafting and diplomacy might not be perfect, but they are also pretty darn good as well, I think. Very in depth.
However, despite this, I can't bring myself to log into the game! I don't know why - I not only want to like this game, I would say I do like this game. But for some reason I can only spend 30 minutes in it tops before I feel the need to log or else stab out my eyes. It's really weird, and I haven't figured it out yet.
Has anyone else had this feeling about VG or any other game? You basically like the game and see from others postings it's even more of a blast than you've experienced so far ... but at the same time you can't stand playing it?
The problem with Vanguard is it lack a decent centralized population center, the world is freaking epic and threre are just too many cities and towns. I know many people wil object to this but they need to slim Vanguard down to just three major cities to make the server feel more alive.
i would have to agree with this, way to spread out, althought the rifts do help, but still. im only level 24, it's been pretty easy to get in groups, but im a healer. i used advance infomap, tells me where to go for my level. makes it a lot easier to find people.
your probably growing tired of playing games...its happening to me...Vanguard is a great game, but i guess we grow out of the gaming thing eventually...
your probably growing tired of playing games...its happening to me...Vanguard is a great game, but i guess we grow out of the gaming thing eventually...
he probably is, cant blame him, mmo's are aways the samething. go here do this task, collect rewrard, go here do this, collect this, and finally i have a task for you, collect uber reward, pvp. i wish someone would come up with some new idea for mmo's. or at least put some oblivion type quest in there, like sneak in this guys room at night and murder him then get out undetected or go to this place and steal the book then plant it in someone elses place to frame them for the crime. come on DEVS, stop recycling the same crap in mmo's.
Originally posted by medafor he probably is, cant blame him, mmo's are aways the samething. go here do this task, collect rewrard, go here do this, collect this, and finally i have a task for you, collect uber reward, pvp. i wish someone would come up with some new idea for mmo's. or at least put some oblivion type quest in there, like sneak in this guys room at night and murder him then get out undetected or go to this place and steal the book then plant it in someone elses place to frame them for the crime. come on DEVS, stop recycling the same crap in mmo's.
I agree whole-heartedly. I think WoW set back the development of better games though, by introducing so many people to the same old, same old...It'll take a while longer for people to get out of that rut.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Your probably right about me being tired of MMOs. It comes in spurts anymore it seems. Even with my current MMO of choice, LOTRO, I sometimes have a hard time logging in. I wouldn't say games in general, though. I still enjoy a good strategy sim like SimCity or Civilization. And I just can't shake the Team Fortress 2 bug, the last couple days I've even been enjoying Counter Strike.
I think a lot of my love/hate for MMOs started with WoW. I've been a CRPG lover for years (Battletech: Crescent Hawks' Inception was my first, BG2 was my favorite) and the hardest thing for me to adjust to was ... other people. The very thing that made MMOs so magical was also their downfall for me. Little to no storyline, endless grinding and Chuck Norris spam = recipe for my scorn. All a brother wants is a little immersion, lol. But still I soldier on!
Eventually I'll make some real life friends and give up MMOs for good. The one thing I will truly miss, though, is exploration. I guess I should just get back into EVE - for some reason all the RL chatter doesn't break the immersion for me in that game, not sure why. But those endless braindead missions, oh god.
Customization is soon to be fixed... I.E. a month or so from now.
And with traveling, use the riftways to go between continents. Go to the Hubs of the opposing continents, then walk, or hire a flying mount from there. In my eyes there are TOO many ways to get around, but I still use them anyways. In all honesty, distance is a VERY small problem in Vanguard."
Customise how? I am glad to hear that they are working on it, but I hope it's not just looks.
I know about the riftways. But unfortunately, some starter areas are still pretty far away from the hubs. I meant having an actual portal in the starting areas so that friends can join each other straight away if they choose different races. I also don't see how a cheap, low level horse route system would hurt the game.
I agree with the poster above who said that VG's engine seems to be not terribly stream-lined. The graphics are pretty but, the system performance overall is not great for the way the game looks. LotRO is a beautiful game and has a very well-coded engine overall. It performs really well on low-end systems. Though my comp is 3 years old, I can still run VG. I lag a lot in Khal, and my framerates in more populated areas tend to be poor, such as in busy dungeons. I am still really glad that it runs on my comp though.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old. I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it I almost cried, I was so excited!
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs. you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
Gays - what?? Did I miss something?
Also I agree with the ubahnecro at least on the point of system reqs for WoW, which I would bet hard cash is the biggest reason for it having such wide adoption. Being able to play that game relatively well on sub-par machines widens its audience considerably. And both PC and Mac versions come on the same disc and getting it to run in Linux is pretty simple with WINE (there was rumored to have been a native Linux client in beta). I once had WoW running on a 800mhz P3 with only 256mb PC133 RAM and a 64mb MX440. It didn't run great, but it was very playable. And people wonder why it is the 800lbs gorilla of MMOs.
Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old. I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it I almost cried, I was so excited!
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
I have 4 computers, 2 of which has 2GB RAM. I installed Vanguard on the other computer and it was running at 10 FPS, 3 minutes later it forced my computer to just reboot all of a sudden and then I had to spend almost an hour fixing random errors.
Please do not tell me what this game needs, I am not computer-illiterate.
There are many other games installed on my systems and they have absolutely no trouble running. WoW runs at 20+ FPS outdoors on a system with 512MB PC2700 RAM and a 128 MB PCI Graphics Card. It has a Celeron Processor... The Hard Drive is 5400 RPMs.
Accessibility is key to success. How many people complained when they found out that Windows Vista would make them have to upgrade various components to run on their current systems, or buy a new computer? Vanguard is not as important as my Operating system. SOE/Sigil failed horribly with their system requirements, especially considering what they listed on the box.
As far as telling me I shouldn't be playing RPMs in general. The only MMOs I cannot play on these systems are Vanguard and Age of Conan. Age of Conan is somewhat acceptable seeing as how it was released in the middle of 2008. Vanguard was released in early 2007, has had various performance patches, and still cannot run on a system purchased < 1 year before its release. WoW plays on legacy systems (no, I'm not asking for that, just making a point). EQ, Lineage II, WoW, EQII, FFXI, etc. I can play all these games with more than acceptable performance without putting the settings down to "Very High Performance". I can play all of those except EQII maxxed out on my system, with no lag whatsoever.
And there can be instances when a player simply cannot upgrade their system acceptably and is force to buy a new system. I'll leave it to you to figure it out, you're the computer genious!!!
i just came back to vanguard recently after quiting a month after the launch of death. i love it now. the only things i dont like is yeah the animal races are tailless. they destroyed character customization ( which i hear is being put back in soon), and most quest lines in starting areas are broken.
i have a 2 gigs of ram and my game runs splendidly. i never crash and i got most settings on high. i think they've done a lot of good things for this game since sigil burned to the ground. i play on seradon as well and theres people everywhere! it actually makes me lag going into certain areas of town where most the people are gathered around like the broker and trainers. people are so so. ive met a lot of really cool people and the usual jerk wads.
Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old. I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it I almost cried, I was so excited!
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
I have 4 computers, 2 of which has 2GB RAM. I installed Vanguard on the other computer and it was running at 10 FPS, 3 minutes later it forced my computer to just reboot all of a sudden and then I had to spend almost an hour fixing random errors.
I have 3 computer, one of which has 3GB ram and can't run it.
The one I am using now has 4GB and can run it pretty good.
The other is a laptop. With M8600GT 512MB and 4GB. It can run the game with 40-50 fps on balanced.
I don't know what your hardware is, but as you said it was <2 years it sounds to me that you have it running on an integrated card. Or are running it a resolution way to high for the graphic card to be able to perform descently.
I'm just guessing ofcourse. What hardware are you actually using?
Please do not tell me what this game needs, I am not computer-illiterate.
There are many other games installed on my systems and they have absolutely no trouble running. WoW runs at 20+ FPS outdoors on a system with 512MB PC2700 RAM and a 128 MB PCI Graphics Card. It has a Celeron Processor... The Hard Drive is 5400 RPMs.
That is not 10 year old hardware. I had the same performance, slightly worse, on a cumputer running 768MB, Geforce3 and a Duron 1200MHz. A newer one with 1GB, ATI 9000M (not shure 9200M) 64MB, Intel 2.0GHz with slightly better performance. But anyway neither can be used as a reason to as why Vanguard would run descently on them.
Accessibility is key to success. How many people complained when they found out that Windows Vista would make them have to upgrade various components to run on their current systems, or buy a new computer? Vanguard is not as important as my Operating system. SOE/Sigil failed horribly with their system requirements, especially considering what they listed on the box.
A game less important then the OS. Why?
As far as telling me I shouldn't be playing RPMs in general. The only MMOs I cannot play on these systems are Vanguard and Age of Conan. Age of Conan is somewhat acceptable seeing as how it was released in the middle of 2008. Vanguard was released in early 2007, has had various performance patches, and still cannot run on a system purchased < 1 year before its release. WoW plays on legacy systems (no, I'm not asking for that, just making a point). EQ, Lineage II, WoW, EQII, FFXI, etc. I can play all these games with more than acceptable performance without putting the settings down to "Very High Performance". I can play all of those except EQII maxxed out on my system, with no lag whatsoever.
I have way better performance in Vanguard then in EQ2. Both on the the comparabel balanced to highest settings, not tested the lowest ones. It is 15-20fps compared to 40-60fps. Even Age of Conan ran better.
And there can be instances when a player simply cannot upgrade their system acceptably and is force to buy a new system. I'll leave it to you to figure it out, you're the computer genious!!!
What would be interesting to know if you don't want to answer the green text is what hardware you actually have as it seem to me that you actually would have hardware that would run the game.
Well I played Vanguard last year. Actually bought a new computer in anticipation of the game. So I never had any problems with running the game. Was a EQ1 addict a long time ago. If you think the worlds are empty now, you should have seen it before they combined servers down to 4. It was sort of cool for awhile because you could really get immersed into exploring. But was annoying because I could never do dungeons since no one to group with. It's a very easy game to solo with most chars in the outside world. Was in a guild so that helped in later levels. Thought the harvesting/crafting sphere was great - much better than EQ1. Never really liked Diplomacy, was boring and really didn't help anything. The outside world was well done, but I was very disappointed with the graphic design of the dungeons. Again my main comparison is EQ1, but I remember being amazed by the detail in EQ1 dungeons. And the endgame was non existent. I got to lvl 50 and then nothing to do. No real point for exp since no AA pathway. I was used to a raiding PVE guild on EQ1. There was about 2 high lvl areas. And the game then got very monotonous - kill 300 mobs for whatever. The best part was probaly the long quest for a shadowmount/unicorn.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while.
The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive.
Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition.
I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund.
I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while.
Just mentioning this off-the-cuff but a lot of time people have issues like this it is due to over-heating. I would check my temps on this if you haven't already.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while. The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive. Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition. I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund. I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
Wouldn't really help you anyway... Quad core would not be much faster then the 3.0ghz cpu. Since most games are single threaded and multicores tend to drop the cpu clock down to like 2.4-2.6 you will loose performance although in reality it might be a bit faster cause the OS does some multithreading and the cpu even through running at a slower clock does many instructions faster. Just don't expect a big diff.
Now the graphics card 7300gt is definitely junk and should be tossed. The other computer also has a pretty much bottom of the line graphics card that sells for around $40-50.
I would expect however that the second system should play it so I'm surprised it doesn't work at all. In any event getting a slightly better graphics card ins the $100-200 price range would make either of the systems you have listed play VG.
I'd think both of these systems would need new vid cards to really support vista and modern games... Which is after all the standard today and has been for a couple years....
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while. The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive. Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition. I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund. I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
I'm not shure about the 7300GT. But I assume is it withing the same performance range as the 2600HD card or slower and the ATI budget series up until 4850 has not been that good. The 2600HD card should at least give you 20fps at 1280x1024 out in the open. Both are budget cards and even if the 9600 is one it should give you good performance.
But you wont play it if you can't dualbox it. Aren't that a bit out of the league when comparing and saying people wont upgrade their computer as compared to running WoW? I mean to me that sounds as you are safe guarding yourself from hearing motivations that you can play VG.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while. The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive. Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition. I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund. I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
yeah man, forget the quad and get yourself a core 2 duo E8500, they cheap right now with the E8600 just released. Get a 9800GTX+ for $200. Make sure you got a powersupply over 550 watts and you are golden. check out the guru3D forums, they will help ya out a bit.
About your old systems, you can't expect any game to run well on that crap except maybe WoW on medium settings.
This probably the best optimized game out there right now for performance and intense graphics. The biggest problem with vanguard are all the little bugs. Like alot of the newbie quest lines requring a GM to come fix to be able to continue. That can be insanely frustrating for a new player and most would just give up in disgust.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while. The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive. Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition. I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund. I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
yeah man, forget the quad and get yourself a core 2 duo E8500, they cheap right now with the E8600 just released. Get a 9800GTX+ for $200. Make sure you got a powersupply over 550 watts and you are golden. check out the guru3D forums, they will help ya out a bit.
About your old systems, you can't expect any game to run well on that crap except maybe WoW on medium settings.
This probably the best optimized game out there right now for performance and intense graphics. The biggest problem with vanguard are all the little bugs. Like alot of the newbie quest lines requring a GM to come fix to be able to continue. That can be insanely frustrating for a new player and most would just give up in disgust.
I will check this game out in another 6mo or so and see how the population and performance of the client is doing. Why do people keep saying that this is one of the best optimized games out there? Everything seems optimized when you throw $$$ and hardware at it.
I wouldn't necessarily classify my sytems as crap. I mean, I can run pretty much any other game on them (except Age of Conan), and Vanguard isn't necessarily "modern" seeing as how it's almost 2 years old and not much older than half of my systems ( < 1 year older).
I will get the quad-core system because gaming isn't the only thing I do in my life and it will benefit other things that I do on my system. Plus, it will delay the time I'd have to upgrade yet again.
In any case my new system should be here tomorrow.
<snip> In any case, we play on Seradon and the first two dungeons had TOO many people in them. I could of gotten in 3 parties for a level 10-15 dungeon instantly but a couple were too full for me and my friends. <snip>
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
<snip> In any case, we play on Seradon and the first two dungeons had TOO many people in them. I could of gotten in 3 parties for a level 10-15 dungeon instantly but a couple were too full for me and my friends. <snip>
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
<snip> In any case, we play on Seradon and the first two dungeons had TOO many people in them. I could of gotten in 3 parties for a level 10-15 dungeon instantly but a couple were too full for me and my friends. <snip>
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
depends on where you are. If you are on thestra then you could do the riftseekers but the first real popular dungeon is KE. 13 is maybe a tad bit low but thats the first real dungeon. Of course there are many many other dungeon. Vestels has a nice spider cave dungeon that is pretty cool. You can solo most of it but there is a wing of it that is good for a small group. Basically grab a partner and you are good. There is a nice quest storyline in vestals to go along with it.
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For every troll who wants to diss Vanguard or SOE, be my guest. I completely respect everyone's right to an opinion. That being said, my opinion is that Vanguard is the most in-depth PvE game around. Everything about the game is intriguing if you choose to look.
I have played: Meridian 59, UO, AC, AC2, Shadowbane, DaoC, AO, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, AoC, AA, COH/COV, RYL, Horizons, WAR Beta, Planetside, SWG, EVE, DnL, FoM, L2, FFXI, and probably some others that don't come to mind right now. Out of all those games, I have never felt compelled to roll a new character becasuse I wanted to play another one, not because I was bored. In Vanguard, each character and race are so unique that they each have their own set of starting quest lines and geographic areas. Sure, some of the games let you pick from a handful of starting locations but in VG, each race has it's own area with it's own problems that need solving.
I never find myself bored in Vanguard to the point of wanting to play another character... I play another character in order to experience each becuase I like them all so much. Each character's ability sets are unique in that you have to develop a different strategy to play each one which I LOVE. As mentioned before, the thought process that goes into thinking 3 steps ahead of your opponent keeps you on your toes and stops you from button mashing. By the mid 20s you shoulds be starting to time your attacks and abilities in order to have them cool down in time for a super hit to end the fight faster.
All in all, VG is the best bang for gaming buck. At $10 retail (local game store for me) I have definately played my $10 worth and then some. Actually, my local game store ordered 10 CE boxes because apparently the demand was there. I think it's great the game is catching with those who left WoW and AoC.
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Half the people who left WoW won't even be able to think about running this game. That is my biggest gripe about Vanguard and many other modern MMOs - especially those who use FPS game engines (which is most of them). The system requirements are too high to the point that they make it impossible for a large portion of players to play the game. WoW has shown that there is a very large, no... HUGE MMO playerbase, but WoW will always rule the MMO industry because I can play it on a 10 year old computer while I can't even play Vanguard on a computer that is < 2 years old.
I brought the game for 20 bucks yesterday, and had to uninstall it
I almost cried, I was so excited!
If you created a brand new Station account, you might be able to sell the game and your account. A buyer would have to update their address and enter a new password, but other than that you should be fine to sell it (just don't tell SOE).
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I have mixed feelings about VG. I had some problems getting it to run well, but I have got it to run OK.
I do think it suffers not from having too steep sys reqs, but rather poorly optimized code. I think you could get the similar graphics out of a lesser system with a better client. Of course I have nothing to do with Sigil or SOE so what do I know?
But VG is a pretty darn good game overall. The hugeness of the world is a BIG bonus in the fantasy genre - the only other MMO I can think of hand that has such epicness is EVE. And like some others here I also think VG would benefit tremendously from the more EVE-like approach of having one server for everyone to play on. Then they could add that 4th continent
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The crafting and diplomacy might not be perfect, but they are also pretty darn good as well, I think. Very in depth.
However, despite this, I can't bring myself to log into the game! I don't know why - I not only want to like this game, I would say I do like this game. But for some reason I can only spend 30 minutes in it tops before I feel the need to log or else stab out my eyes. It's really weird, and I haven't figured it out yet.
Has anyone else had this feeling about VG or any other game? You basically like the game and see from others postings it's even more of a blast than you've experienced so far ... but at the same time you can't stand playing it?
i would have to agree with this, way to spread out, althought the rifts do help, but still. im only level 24, it's been pretty easy to get in groups, but im a healer. i used advance infomap, tells me where to go for my level. makes it a lot easier to find people.
your probably growing tired of playing games...its happening to me...Vanguard is a great game, but i guess we grow out of the gaming thing eventually...
he probably is, cant blame him, mmo's are aways the samething. go here do this task, collect rewrard, go here do this, collect this, and finally i have a task for you, collect uber reward, pvp. i wish someone would come up with some new idea for mmo's. or at least put some oblivion type quest in there, like sneak in this guys room at night and murder him then get out undetected or go to this place and steal the book then plant it in someone elses place to frame them for the crime. come on DEVS, stop recycling the same crap in mmo's.
I agree whole-heartedly. I think WoW set back the development of better games though, by introducing so many people to the same old, same old...It'll take a while longer for people to get out of that rut.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Your probably right about me being tired of MMOs. It comes in spurts anymore it seems. Even with my current MMO of choice, LOTRO, I sometimes have a hard time logging in. I wouldn't say games in general, though. I still enjoy a good strategy sim like SimCity or Civilization. And I just can't shake the Team Fortress 2 bug, the last couple days I've even been enjoying Counter Strike.
I think a lot of my love/hate for MMOs started with WoW. I've been a CRPG lover for years (Battletech: Crescent Hawks' Inception was my first, BG2 was my favorite) and the hardest thing for me to adjust to was ... other people. The very thing that made MMOs so magical was also their downfall for me. Little to no storyline, endless grinding and Chuck Norris spam = recipe for my scorn. All a brother wants is a little immersion, lol. But still I soldier on!
Eventually I'll make some real life friends and give up MMOs for good. The one thing I will truly miss, though, is exploration. I guess I should just get back into EVE - for some reason all the RL chatter doesn't break the immersion for me in that game, not sure why. But those endless braindead missions, oh god.
"I disagree with both of these points.
Customization is soon to be fixed... I.E. a month or so from now.
And with traveling, use the riftways to go between continents. Go to the Hubs of the opposing continents, then walk, or hire a flying mount from there. In my eyes there are TOO many ways to get around, but I still use them anyways. In all honesty, distance is a VERY small problem in Vanguard."
Customise how? I am glad to hear that they are working on it, but I hope it's not just looks.
I know about the riftways. But unfortunately, some starter areas are still pretty far away from the hubs. I meant having an actual portal in the starting areas so that friends can join each other straight away if they choose different races. I also don't see how a cheap, low level horse route system would hurt the game.
I agree with the poster above who said that VG's engine seems to be not terribly stream-lined. The graphics are pretty but, the system performance overall is not great for the way the game looks. LotRO is a beautiful game and has a very well-coded engine overall. It performs really well on low-end systems. Though my comp is 3 years old, I can still run VG. I lag a lot in Khal, and my framerates in more populated areas tend to be poor, such as in busy dungeons. I am still really glad that it runs on my comp though.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
Gays - what?? Did I miss something?
Also I agree with the ubahnecro at least on the point of system reqs for WoW, which I would bet hard cash is the biggest reason for it having such wide adoption. Being able to play that game relatively well on sub-par machines widens its audience considerably. And both PC and Mac versions come on the same disc and getting it to run in Linux is pretty simple with WINE (there was rumored to have been a native Linux client in beta). I once had WoW running on a 800mhz P3 with only 256mb PC133 RAM and a 64mb MX440. It didn't run great, but it was very playable. And people wonder why it is the 800lbs gorilla of MMOs.
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
I have 4 computers, 2 of which has 2GB RAM. I installed Vanguard on the other computer and it was running at 10 FPS, 3 minutes later it forced my computer to just reboot all of a sudden and then I had to spend almost an hour fixing random errors.
Please do not tell me what this game needs, I am not computer-illiterate.
There are many other games installed on my systems and they have absolutely no trouble running. WoW runs at 20+ FPS outdoors on a system with 512MB PC2700 RAM and a 128 MB PCI Graphics Card. It has a Celeron Processor... The Hard Drive is 5400 RPMs.
Accessibility is key to success. How many people complained when they found out that Windows Vista would make them have to upgrade various components to run on their current systems, or buy a new computer? Vanguard is not as important as my Operating system. SOE/Sigil failed horribly with their system requirements, especially considering what they listed on the box.
As far as telling me I shouldn't be playing RPMs in general. The only MMOs I cannot play on these systems are Vanguard and Age of Conan. Age of Conan is somewhat acceptable seeing as how it was released in the middle of 2008. Vanguard was released in early 2007, has had various performance patches, and still cannot run on a system purchased < 1 year before its release. WoW plays on legacy systems (no, I'm not asking for that, just making a point). EQ, Lineage II, WoW, EQII, FFXI, etc. I can play all these games with more than acceptable performance without putting the settings down to "Very High Performance". I can play all of those except EQII maxxed out on my system, with no lag whatsoever.
And there can be instances when a player simply cannot upgrade their system acceptably and is force to buy a new system. I'll leave it to you to figure it out, you're the computer genious!!!
i just came back to vanguard recently after quiting a month after the launch of death. i love it now. the only things i dont like is yeah the animal races are tailless. they destroyed character customization ( which i hear is being put back in soon), and most quest lines in starting areas are broken.
i have a 2 gigs of ram and my game runs splendidly. i never crash and i got most settings on high. i think they've done a lot of good things for this game since sigil burned to the ground. i play on seradon as well and theres people everywhere! it actually makes me lag going into certain areas of town where most the people are gathered around like the broker and trainers. people are so so. ive met a lot of really cool people and the usual jerk wads.
glad i returned
im playing on a 2 year old computer as well. the only thing ive upgraded was the ram to 2 gigs and honestly that is ALL you need to run this game effectively.
if you are complaining about not being able to play gays and dont have 2 gigs.
you shouldnt be playing online games and ESPECIALLY mmos in general.
I have 4 computers, 2 of which has 2GB RAM. I installed Vanguard on the other computer and it was running at 10 FPS, 3 minutes later it forced my computer to just reboot all of a sudden and then I had to spend almost an hour fixing random errors.
I have 3 computer, one of which has 3GB ram and can't run it.
The one I am using now has 4GB and can run it pretty good.
The other is a laptop. With M8600GT 512MB and 4GB. It can run the game with 40-50 fps on balanced.
I don't know what your hardware is, but as you said it was <2 years it sounds to me that you have it running on an integrated card. Or are running it a resolution way to high for the graphic card to be able to perform descently.
I'm just guessing ofcourse. What hardware are you actually using?
Please do not tell me what this game needs, I am not computer-illiterate.
There are many other games installed on my systems and they have absolutely no trouble running. WoW runs at 20+ FPS outdoors on a system with 512MB PC2700 RAM and a 128 MB PCI Graphics Card. It has a Celeron Processor... The Hard Drive is 5400 RPMs.
That is not 10 year old hardware. I had the same performance, slightly worse, on a cumputer running 768MB, Geforce3 and a Duron 1200MHz. A newer one with 1GB, ATI 9000M (not shure 9200M) 64MB, Intel 2.0GHz with slightly better performance. But anyway neither can be used as a reason to as why Vanguard would run descently on them.
Accessibility is key to success. How many people complained when they found out that Windows Vista would make them have to upgrade various components to run on their current systems, or buy a new computer? Vanguard is not as important as my Operating system. SOE/Sigil failed horribly with their system requirements, especially considering what they listed on the box.
A game less important then the OS. Why?
As far as telling me I shouldn't be playing RPMs in general. The only MMOs I cannot play on these systems are Vanguard and Age of Conan. Age of Conan is somewhat acceptable seeing as how it was released in the middle of 2008. Vanguard was released in early 2007, has had various performance patches, and still cannot run on a system purchased < 1 year before its release. WoW plays on legacy systems (no, I'm not asking for that, just making a point). EQ, Lineage II, WoW, EQII, FFXI, etc. I can play all these games with more than acceptable performance without putting the settings down to "Very High Performance". I can play all of those except EQII maxxed out on my system, with no lag whatsoever.
I have way better performance in Vanguard then in EQ2. Both on the the comparabel balanced to highest settings, not tested the lowest ones. It is 15-20fps compared to 40-60fps. Even Age of Conan ran better.
And there can be instances when a player simply cannot upgrade their system acceptably and is force to buy a new system. I'll leave it to you to figure it out, you're the computer genious!!!
What would be interesting to know if you don't want to answer the green text is what hardware you actually have as it seem to me that you actually would have hardware that would run the game.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Well I played Vanguard last year. Actually bought a new computer in anticipation of the game. So I never had any problems with running the game. Was a EQ1 addict a long time ago. If you think the worlds are empty now, you should have seen it before they combined servers down to 4. It was sort of cool for awhile because you could really get immersed into exploring. But was annoying because I could never do dungeons since no one to group with. It's a very easy game to solo with most chars in the outside world. Was in a guild so that helped in later levels. Thought the harvesting/crafting sphere was great - much better than EQ1. Never really liked Diplomacy, was boring and really didn't help anything. The outside world was well done, but I was very disappointed with the graphic design of the dungeons. Again my main comparison is EQ1, but I remember being amazed by the detail in EQ1 dungeons. And the endgame was non existent. I got to lvl 50 and then nothing to do. No real point for exp since no AA pathway. I was used to a raiding PVE guild on EQ1. There was about 2 high lvl areas. And the game then got very monotonous - kill 300 mobs for whatever. The best part was probaly the long quest for a shadowmount/unicorn.
One of my systems has a 3.0+ GHz Processor and a 7300 GT Video Card with a 7200 RPM Drive, 2GB RAM and it shuts down after the game has been running for a while.
The other computer has a 2.8 GHz processor and I upgraded the Power Supply to a 450 Watt and the Graphics Card to an ATI HD2600 Pro and Vanguard is unplayable on it. 2GB RAM and a 7200 RPM Hard Drive.
Bother running Windows XP Professional Edition.
I have since returned the Power Supply as well as the new Video Card to the store for a refund.
I am ordering a Quad-Core system with 6GB RAM and a 750GB SATA Hard Drive with a 9600 GeForce, but I don't think I will try playing this game, Lol. I like to two box in games with low population, and I'm not buying 2 systems just to play a game.
Just mentioning this off-the-cuff but a lot of time people have issues like this it is due to over-heating. I would check my temps on this if you haven't already.
Wouldn't really help you anyway... Quad core would not be much faster then the 3.0ghz cpu. Since most games are single threaded and multicores tend to drop the cpu clock down to like 2.4-2.6 you will loose performance although in reality it might be a bit faster cause the OS does some multithreading and the cpu even through running at a slower clock does many instructions faster. Just don't expect a big diff.
Now the graphics card 7300gt is definitely junk and should be tossed. The other computer also has a pretty much bottom of the line graphics card that sells for around $40-50.
I would expect however that the second system should play it so I'm surprised it doesn't work at all. In any event getting a slightly better graphics card ins the $100-200 price range would make either of the systems you have listed play VG.
I'd think both of these systems would need new vid cards to really support vista and modern games... Which is after all the standard today and has been for a couple years....
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I'm not shure about the 7300GT. But I assume is it withing the same performance range as the 2600HD card or slower and the ATI budget series up until 4850 has not been that good. The 2600HD card should at least give you 20fps at 1280x1024 out in the open. Both are budget cards and even if the 9600 is one it should give you good performance.
But you wont play it if you can't dualbox it. Aren't that a bit out of the league when comparing and saying people wont upgrade their computer as compared to running WoW? I mean to me that sounds as you are safe guarding yourself from hearing motivations that you can play VG.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
yeah man, forget the quad and get yourself a core 2 duo E8500, they cheap right now with the E8600 just released. Get a 9800GTX+ for $200. Make sure you got a powersupply over 550 watts and you are golden. check out the guru3D forums, they will help ya out a bit.
About your old systems, you can't expect any game to run well on that crap except maybe WoW on medium settings.
This probably the best optimized game out there right now for performance and intense graphics. The biggest problem with vanguard are all the little bugs. Like alot of the newbie quest lines requring a GM to come fix to be able to continue. That can be insanely frustrating for a new player and most would just give up in disgust.
yeah man, forget the quad and get yourself a core 2 duo E8500, they cheap right now with the E8600 just released. Get a 9800GTX+ for $200. Make sure you got a powersupply over 550 watts and you are golden. check out the guru3D forums, they will help ya out a bit.
About your old systems, you can't expect any game to run well on that crap except maybe WoW on medium settings.
This probably the best optimized game out there right now for performance and intense graphics. The biggest problem with vanguard are all the little bugs. Like alot of the newbie quest lines requring a GM to come fix to be able to continue. That can be insanely frustrating for a new player and most would just give up in disgust.
I will check this game out in another 6mo or so and see how the population and performance of the client is doing. Why do people keep saying that this is one of the best optimized games out there? Everything seems optimized when you throw $$$ and hardware at it.
I wouldn't necessarily classify my sytems as crap. I mean, I can run pretty much any other game on them (except Age of Conan), and Vanguard isn't necessarily "modern" seeing as how it's almost 2 years old and not much older than half of my systems ( < 1 year older).
I will get the quad-core system because gaming isn't the only thing I do in my life and it will benefit other things that I do on my system. Plus, it will delay the time I'd have to upgrade yet again.
In any case my new system should be here tomorrow.
Have fun!
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
http://mmostrategyguides.com/dungeon_list_by_level_-_vanguard.html
The giant dungeons are the ones labeled "premier". Alot of the "standard" ones are pretty big too.
I just started Vanguard last week and am currently a level 13 Cleric on Seradon. Where are these classic dungeons that people are talking about? I love to group, that's why I rolled a Cleric!
depends on where you are. If you are on thestra then you could do the riftseekers but the first real popular dungeon is KE. 13 is maybe a tad bit low but thats the first real dungeon. Of course there are many many other dungeon. Vestels has a nice spider cave dungeon that is pretty cool. You can solo most of it but there is a wing of it that is good for a small group. Basically grab a partner and you are good. There is a nice quest storyline in vestals to go along with it.
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