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Lobotomist
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As I understand (and correct me if im wrong) there will be no official forums for WAR - regretable decision , but lets put that aside and be constructive.
If there is no official forums for WAR - what in your oppinion will be the place to talk constructively about game. Read on good builds , review of classes , strategies , set up events , search and publish guilds - and other CRUCIAL things for every MMO - andeven more so for such strategic and involved game like WAR
This is so important. And i hope it will not become split to many , many questionable forums and sources , like it happened to Guild Wars for example...
It is a huge mistake on part of mythic 
p.s I am not talking about forums where you can complain about the game , hype or flame - we have mmorpg.com for that 
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There will be no official forums, however, http://www.warhammeralliance.com is just as good, they are as close to official as we will get, devs post there and everything.
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WarhammerAlliance is the best one for monitored discussions where the Dev's interact on a constant basis. But I also enjoy War-RvR.com which is more like a hang out and more casual than WarhammerAlliance. THere are also a couple of good guild run sites but I tend to feel more at home in a casual I can mess around & joke environment.
btw I dont think its a regrettable decision. Anything we need to know about patches, upcoming ones, news, server status, etc is always on the Heralds. By allowing the community to build itself it gives people a better chance to have a voice and not be lost in the hordes that would enmasse on official forum board to Zerg complain for Nerfs.
I've also always found the best guides are usually on 3rd party sites where its not a discussion but more like a wiki or tthotbot where its dedicated to being a guide and its chances of being lost amongst the hordes of entries is next to nill.
Well.
There should be one MODERATED forum.
That is not used to bitch about the game, or talk nonsense. But to organise and share strategies
3rd party sites are better for that why should I want to open discuss strageties so the Other side knows what we're up too. Not to mention the threads get LOST over time in a crazy mass. Guides are better for stratedgy.
Besides most official forums are nothing but bitch whine and moan boards when there's a massive community, for small niche communities like LotRo and DDO it seems to be fine since the noise volume is rather low.
btw this is just from my personal experience with forum boards. I like 3rd party sites better. But I digress this is going off topic now which is probably the Intention of your bothering to even POSt that statement in your OP.
It is an excellent decision, and one more MMO companies should make. Official forums cause more issues than they solve, and they don't need to waste resources moderating them. I take it you are not familiar with Mythic and their previous game, DAoC? That game had no "official" forums either. Damn smart move. What they did have, was the "Herald", which was a site that the devs used to communicate exactly what their plans were for the game, patch contents, and even real time server population numbers. Not to mention character and guild info for all servers. I am assuming they will have the same for WAR.
If you want to discuss the game, you don't need official forums. Try the VNboards at http://vnboards.ign.com . They are the "official unofficial" boards for just about every western MMO out there. They were home to the majority of DAoC forum dwellers.
Almost all forums are moderated. If you mean "content controlled" forums where the devs delete posts they don't like, well, you don't really want that, do you?
Warhammer Alliance fits that bill. Their mods run a tight ship. I havnt seen any bitching sessions over there. This forum on the other hand....
Nothing constructive here.
It is an excellent decision, and one more MMO companies should make. Official forums cause more issues than they solve, and they don't need to waste resources moderating them. I take it you are not familiar with Mythic and their previous game, DAoC? That game had no "official" forums either. Damn smart move. What they did have, was the "Herald", which was a site that the devs used to communicate exactly what their plans were for the game, patch contents, and even real time server population numbers. Not to mention character and guild info for all servers. I am assuming they will have the same for WAR.
I agree with LethalBurst.
DAoC never needed official forums, and I never missed them.
The Camelot Herald was THE site to frequent and had tons of info and a Feedback Form, so instead of arguing with a bunch of rabid forum-rats, you could actually type up your feedback in an understandable way you knew that somebody would at least give it a read.
With all the signal-to-noise ratio of official forums, I felt it was actually better to have a direct Feedback Form then trying to get the Dev's attention in a rabble of argumentative posts.
WAR HERALD will be a great site and if you want a forum, it is widely recognized that WARHAMMER ALLIANCE is going to be the site to use. If you haven't registered there yet, then get over there and register -- time's a-wastin'!
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I disagree with you, I think the choice they made was fine. They ran DAoC this way without any real forums and it did well. It saves them the headaches of monitoring a playpen for all the crybaby's. This way they don't lose sight of the vision they had for this game and start to make a game for all the whiners, similar to what happened to Blizzard's WoW. It was ruined from all the cries.
I can only fully agree with you. Having no official forum is a huge stratetic mistake indeed. Look at what "good" it did for Vanguard. That VG had no official forum did more bad than good. I vividly recall when everyone claimed to prevent flamewars, and it just more fanned the flames. Its the usual mix of a split up playerbase, rumor spreading and information chaos which the lack of an official forum creates. A pity.
For me it is a gesture of respect towards the customers to run an official forum, moderated and managed by the game publisher, and the lack of it has "we dont care where you get your info" written all over it.
But hey, there is hope SOE will buy it in half a year and we get official forums then! lol ok ok, sorry for the sarcasm, just kidding!
Thank god there are no official forums. Just look at WoW's, they are filled with garbage.
Warhammer Alliance is a great site. I use it everyday/
I used the IGN forums for Dark Age of Camelot
I will probably use a mix of Warhammer Alliance and IGN for WAR
www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/
vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/p1
Mark Jacobs has made posts to both boards
EQ2 fan sites
Warhammer Alliance forums.
About the moderation... whatever the webmasters will think it's appropiate. And no complaining. It's a private web so they can ban you for nothing. This is the beauty of not having official forums.
Official Forums - Moderators can ban you for anything they please lock any threat they please and we're paying for the treatment they give us.
Atleast by using 3rd parties we're not paying for the abuse.
Official Forums - Moderators can ban you for anything they please lock any threat they please and we're paying for the treatment they give us.
Atleast by using 3rd parties we're not paying for the abuse.
I'd expect something more from Mythic.
Keep in mind that Official forums cannot be sold to IGE and IGE has a very solid track record of buying up popular websites.
Honestly I don't think the private sites are any more mature or controlled than official sites. Whining happens everywhere and I've seen to many private sites turn into "fan only" sites where anything said that goes against the grain is censored. Then again some official forums have been known to do the same thing.
I have to concur that warcry, ignvault, etc. are better places for guides and walkthrough style content. I was also a part of the original DAoC crowd and never missed not having official game forums. I'm perfectly happy to have a venue like MMORPG.com to use for discussion of the relative merits of a game. It keeps the devs clear of having to respond to the loudest whiners. In my estimation the whiners usually only have a personal play style preference in mind, and don't care one bit about the well being of the entire customer base. I've seen it here with people saying that an MMO can't be successful unless their favorite "feature x" is implemented. Checking off feature boxes to make sure all games have identical feature lists do not make a successful MMO, fun game play makes a successful MMO.
To those players who say a game has to be crafting and player economy based to be fun, I personally think you're wrong. I've played plenty of RTS and FPS games that didn't have crafting or player economies, and I've had a blast doing so. To those players that say a game has to have FPS style combat to be successful, well that's the buzz word they used for AoC, Planetside, and Tabula Raisa, and it didn't work too well for them. Features and play style mechanics are only part of the story, proper implementation of well conceived product is what is truely key to providing fun gameplay. There is no feature list or game mechanic that guarantees success, they are merely indicators of whether you might possibly enjoy the type of game they are making.
The type of game for WAR is an MMORPG, and It meets those criteria. It's massively multiplayer in execution, and it's role playing based. It also has a PvP and RvR focus. It's not an FPS, its not a RTS, and if those feature sets are what you require to enjoy it, then it's not the game for you. It doesn't focus on having a player driven economy, it doesn't focus on an expansive crafting mechanic. If you need those to have fun, try Vanguard, LotRO, or Everquest II. It focuses on fun combat, both PvE and PvP. If that's not your cup of tea, then you won't enjoy WAR.
I hope this helps.
You would? Well, then you don't really know Mythic. They've never had official forums.
i'm glad they don't that way crybabies don't ruin the game.and also as others have said they have never had official forums why start now?
Not having official boards will probably end up being a mistake, one of the reasons I think WoW is successful. Anyone could easily bitch on their forums and see what other people think then have devs comment, or even post glitches they find in patches or betas. Forums (as seen here and everywhere) are a vital tool, perhaps even necessary.
thats the nice thing about fan sites though if one does't work for you you can just float on to another one until you find a niche of people that you can communicate with. Official forum boards crams a ton of people together that don't necessarily see eye to eye creating this massive noise level thats just entirely not worth it.
Personally I'd rather my money go to development than forum moderation.
Not having official boards will probably end up being a mistake, one of the reasons I think WoW is successful. Anyone could easily bitch on their forums and see what other people think then have devs comment, or even post glitches they find in patches or betas. Forums (as seen here and everywhere) are a vital tool, perhaps even necessary.
WoW is not popular or successful at all because of their forums infact most people here bitch about their forums being full of nothing but bitching. The dev's dont' comment there that much its mostly forum mods who say they've spoken too devs. Infact I rarely hear any ooh omg yes sweet a dev replied to me comments when it comes to WoW there's 10 million people I hardly doubt they want to bother or really care what most people say on their forum boards. In the beginning they did and it fucked the balance to hell adn back several times.
WoW's success came from the fact it was an easy game to jump into, because its a Blizzard game, because its in the Warcraft world, and again a Blizzard game (the name aloen got it its first million), and it was a well polished game something that was RARE and IS RARE still to this day to see out of an MMO. It has nothing to do with forum boards.
DAoC proved you don't need official forum boards to have a cohesive community, Vanguard proved that trying to use unofficial boards as a controllable marketing tool as ultimate failure. The huge difference here is Mythic doesn't use unofficial boards as controllable marketing tools you can say what you want as long as your not a complete asshat.
I'd agree with the assement that it "COULD' be a mistake for WAR if Mythic wasn't already completely familiar with how to have NO official forum boards. If they were noobs trying it I'd be skeptical at best.
You would? Well, then you don't really know Mythic. They've never had official forums.
I mean if they had, I'd expect they'd moderate them better than how the other guy said.
Someone may have already commented on this particular post, but have you honestly seen a forum that doesn't contain bitches and grypes about games or nonsense talk?
I would say that after the blunder that is and continues to be AOC forums, Mythic has done well not to include an official one of their own. Moderated or not....I think official game forums tend to reflect badly on the game itself. In example, look at the WoW forums...look at the AOC forums....many posters on MMORPG have made a multitude of comments in regards to their dislike of the game solely on material they found within their forums (whether it be lack of moderation, service, respect and/or maturity).
I'm sure Mythic is thankful the forums lie in more of an unofficial capacity. A newsletter is all you need to be abreast of any breaking information. I have found many websites (unofficial) that often included the strats, information, quest assistance that many have come to expect from game forums. There should be no need for Mythic to include one of their own...just because....
To be honest, I will probably stick here, because one thing I find about alliance and vn boards. There is still biast there about negative postings. Here at least we can actually say what we want as long as we follow the rules and they are pretty simple rules. With that new correspondent program, hopfully we will have a good correspondent for this game that will start talks about strategies.
Personally I just like the total freedom allowed here, sorry to burst the fans of other forums, but I see nothing on those two forums that don't show biast to the developers because they "visit" there. No thnx, I will stick here and help make conversations about the game when we are finally allowed too.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I'm not sure what planet your onw MMORPG.com is unreliable for actual creditable first hand information the only thing its good for is speaking OPINIONS not facts but OPINIONS. And to be honest if your not of the opinion that FFA, skill based, and sandbox are the ultimate in gaming your pretty much a minority (enjoys being the minority rails constantly against people who believe ganking and sandbox are awsome).
You might be smoking crack or have just never said anything that a mod completely disagree'd with they are far from properly moderated and far from freedom of speech hell they shut down threads sometimes that weren't even flames yet leave up x billion posts of repeat threads & flame wars not to mention if you get on 1 mod's bad side because they have a personal vendetta against you your screwed for life. They'll use giving examples as a reason to ban you and claim you were 'flaming'.