Plain and simple, the game is not what I want(canceled yesterday). Yes, it is a good game. At least far from the bashings of it. But, like WoW, it's just not for me. Think of it as 1 person trying to defend something everyone else on the bandwagon seems to hate. And much of those "bandwagoners" have never really played the game. If 90% of the world HATED burritos, would you NEVER try one? Im just saying at LEAST try it, a lot of people would like it.
This is kinda an oxymoron statement. You are defending the game you quit cause you didn't like it n then tell others to stop bashing it cause you liked it?
If 90% of the world hated burritos that means that they all tried it n hated em...so why waist my time n money on the burrito that has a 90% chance I will dislike it?
...and there were a couple of kids ( I call them kids, but it's subjective at my age) and we started talking about games and they were looking at AOC. We started bouncing around MMO's we had played, and then we got into the nitty gritty of AOC. Medium story made short, I talked them out of buying AOC. I feel I did my good deed for the day.
I Salute you for saving 2 more unsuspecting souls from Failcoms deceit.
I was in there today also preordering War and was talking to the Owner of gamestop. His overview of AoC was that its the worst MMO he has ever seen and he's telling people to wait for War as well. Whats left of my guild in AoC is going to War since they cant take all the problems with AoC anymore.
Guess the hole Funcom dug at launch with its lies is collapsing on them.
your guild will be very very happy in WAR ! i am whats referred to as an Elder tester in the WAR beta , what that means is i ( and many others ) specifically test end game content .
now please read that last line again every one .
Funcom deserves every thing they get and more . they are a shaddy company that sold AOC knowing full well it wasn't good , wasn't even remotely finished and was missing most main selling points for the game .
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.
Tell me this, have you ever read a movie review?
Or recommended/warned people about a restaurant? Looked at hotel reviews when booking a holiday?
Are you telling me these things are bad?
The problem is that you need to have an idea of what you are getting into before you spend your cash - because afterwards if you decide its rubbish, its too late.
I was a supporter of AoC for some time but I can admit that I was wrong. Seems once you reach the level cap it's like hitting a wall. There's literally almost nothing to do. Here's life at 80 in vanguard errr I mean AoC:
1) Log on
2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do? I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough. I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done) Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group"
3) Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst"
*note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group....
4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta
5) camp is taken, move on to the next one
6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up.
A harsh point to be made but it's all too true. There are many things to this game that has so much potential! This game can easily be lumped in with Vanguard as a "salvage project" Yeah, maybe some day AoC will be a good game after they fix performance, gameplay, add content and such. Age of Conan needs a lot of polish. Just like Vanguard, I wanted this game to be great, I wanted to find a new home for the next couple of years and once again I was let down.
One can easily see AoC merging their servers, and going into damage control mode to try and stop the bleeding. My guild was of a respectable size (100+ active players at peak) and as I sadly cancelled my account we were down to 4-5 people. Some went back to EQ, some are giving LotRO a try and several of us are going to give WAR a go when it releases. (lets cross our fingers once again)
As far as the argument "let someone find out for themselves" I totally applaud the OP for steering people away from AoC. I look at it this way, I have a good job so dropping 50.00 on a game isn't a big deal. I buy a game, try it for a bit, if it sucks I move on. That much money might be a lot for someone with a stricter budget. Suppose you can only afford to buy one game every few months and the game you mistakenly choose is a game like AoC. You install the game, log on and play for a few weeks and notice the community rapidly declining. Or the perfomance isn't nearly as good as you had hoped it would be. Now think how all that could have been avoided if someone was kind enough to share their experiences right before purchase.
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.
Ill say this as nicely as I can but who the hell are you to tell anyone not to do something? FC made this bed and now they get to have a nice little dirtnap in it.
And unless the OP is God then the kids still have free will. Well I guess he could be an evil anti-FC jedi using a mind trick but hey, such is life
If he had said he told the kids how its the next best thing since sliced bread would you be as angry or are you a hypocrite when it comes to free thought?
I was a supporter of AoC for some time but I can admit that I was wrong. Seems once you reach the level cap it's like hitting a wall. There's literally almost nothing to do. Here's life at 80 in vanguard errr I mean AoC: 1) Log on 2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do? I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough. I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done) Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group" 3) Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst" *note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group.... 4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta 5) camp is taken, move on to the next one 6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up.
A harsh point to be made but it's all too true. There are many things to this game that has so much potential! This game can easily be lumped in with Vanguard as a "salvage project" Yeah, maybe some day AoC will be a good game after they fix performance, gameplay, add content and such. Age of Conan needs a lot of polish. Just like Vanguard, I wanted this game to be great, I wanted to find a new home for the next couple of years and once again I was let down. One can easily see AoC merging their servers, and going into damage control mode to try and stop the bleeding. My guild was of a respectable size (100+ active players at peak) and as I sadly cancelled my account we were down to 4-5 people. Some went back to EQ, some are giving LotRO a try and several of us are going to give WAR a go when it releases. (lets cross our fingers once again) As far as the argument "let someone find out for themselves" I totally applaud the OP for steering people away from AoC. I look at it this way, I have a good job so dropping 50.00 on a game isn't a big deal. I buy a game, try it for a bit, if it sucks I move on. That much money might be a lot for someone with a stricter budget. Suppose you can only afford to buy one game every few months and the game you mistakenly choose is a game like AoC. You install the game, log on and play for a few weeks and notice the community rapidly declining. Or the perfomance isn't nearly as good as you had hoped it would be. Now think how all that could have been avoided if someone was kind enough to share their experiences right before purchase.
Couple odd things about this post.
Your guild have 100+ active members, yet you had trouble finding a group. That makes it sound like you're some sort of grouping leper.
"I can't craft epic items because my guild, with 100+ members doesn't have a high enough city. I don't actually want to work on that city becoming high enough myself, I will let my guildmates do that for me, the same ones who don't want to group with me.... I can't figure out why".
You then go on to compare it to Vanguard, but you didn't even get a max level character in Vanguard, so obviously your beef with Vanguard was something different than your beef with AoC, which was high level content.
You've got a lot of max level characters in a lot of games, with closed accounts. Seems like there may be something wrong here, besides the games.
Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, the bell tolls for you.
...and there were a couple of kids ( I call them kids, but it's subjective at my age) and we started talking about games and they were looking at AOC. We started bouncing around MMO's we had played, and then we got into the nitty gritty of AOC. Medium story made short, I talked them out of buying AOC. I feel I did my good deed for the day.
... after I left the store, those two same kids, joking about some old geezer, went back and bought themselves a copy of Age of Conan.
I was a supporter of AoC for some time but I can admit that I was wrong. Seems once you reach the level cap it's like hitting a wall. There's literally almost nothing to do. Here's life at 80 in vanguard errr I mean AoC: 1) Log on 2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do? I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough. I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done) Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group" 3) Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst" *note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group.... 4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta 5) camp is taken, move on to the next one 6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up.
A harsh point to be made but it's all too true. There are many things to this game that has so much potential! This game can easily be lumped in with Vanguard as a "salvage project" Yeah, maybe some day AoC will be a good game after they fix performance, gameplay, add content and such. Age of Conan needs a lot of polish. Just like Vanguard, I wanted this game to be great, I wanted to find a new home for the next couple of years and once again I was let down. One can easily see AoC merging their servers, and going into damage control mode to try and stop the bleeding. My guild was of a respectable size (100+ active players at peak) and as I sadly cancelled my account we were down to 4-5 people. Some went back to EQ, some are giving LotRO a try and several of us are going to give WAR a go when it releases. (lets cross our fingers once again) As far as the argument "let someone find out for themselves" I totally applaud the OP for steering people away from AoC. I look at it this way, I have a good job so dropping 50.00 on a game isn't a big deal. I buy a game, try it for a bit, if it sucks I move on. That much money might be a lot for someone with a stricter budget. Suppose you can only afford to buy one game every few months and the game you mistakenly choose is a game like AoC. You install the game, log on and play for a few weeks and notice the community rapidly declining. Or the perfomance isn't nearly as good as you had hoped it would be. Now think how all that could have been avoided if someone was kind enough to share their experiences right before purchase.
Couple odd things about this post.
Your guild have 100+ active members, yet you had trouble finding a group. That makes it sound like you're some sort of grouping leper.
"I can't craft epic items because my guild, with 100+ members doesn't have a high enough city. I don't actually want to work on that city becoming high enough myself, I will let my guildmates do that for me, the same ones who don't want to group with me.... I can't figure out why".
You then go on to compare it to Vanguard, but you didn't even get a max level character in Vanguard, so obviously your beef with Vanguard was something different than your beef with AoC, which was high level content.
You've got a lot of max level characters in a lot of games, with closed accounts. Seems like there may be something wrong here, besides the games.
Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, the bell tolls for you.
Couple of odds things with this reply.
100+ guild members at peak, I stated we were down to 4-5 before I cancelled. Back when AoC was booming I had no problem at all getting groups and finding things to do. I was discussing the current state of the game sorry if it was a bit confusing. In regards to our city, we were working towards our tier 2 city as the server's "wheels fell off the bus" We lost all our architects and left us only able to craft level 75 items. I didn't feel I should live a life of solo gathering the massive amount of materials for a tier 2 city when the game should be about fighting and adventuring.
I made similarities to the fail of vanguard to the impending doom of age of conan not some grudge about one game or the other. Anyone who put a lot of faith into VG or AoC can see the obvious direction both games started out at and where they headed. I didn't reach the max level in vanguard simply because the state of the game was so poor I couldn't motivate myself to continue any more. At the time I left VG the endgame content was virtually nonexistant and thus pointless to continue to the level cap. For an approximate timeline of when I bailed on Vanguard it was a week or two before they took all of Sigil's devs into the parking lot and fired everyone. Anyone who played at that time can see where I'm coming from.
I've got a lot of max characters in a lot of games because you're looking at several years of MMO experience. If you look at the list of titles in my sig and have played any of those then you'd understand. Some games I played for a year or two and some get burned out after a few months due to lack of content.
The flaws in AoC are blantantly obvious. If the game had anything going for it there wouldn't be a massive decline of its population. If you read something with your mind already made up then I guess you're going to see what you want to see. I guess that's what's odd about my post.
I ve said it before, there is nothing wrong with telling people your opinions on a product. Especially if people ask. I would go out of my way if someone was in the store looking at it and talking amongst their friends, and they re talking about wether to get it or not. I would chime in and say how i feel about it. That includes any product i feel positive, or negative about.
...and there were a couple of kids ( I call them kids, but it's subjective at my age) and we started talking about games and they were looking at AOC. We started bouncing around MMO's we had played, and then we got into the nitty gritty of AOC. Medium story made short, I talked them out of buying AOC. I feel I did my good deed for the day.
... after I left the store, those two same kids, joking about some old geezer, went back and bought themselves a copy of Age of Conan.
.......and then a few weeks later thought to themselves "Damn! I should have listened to that guy because everything he said was true! I guess I wasted my money"
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.
I understand your metaphor perfectly but I think if you are a no life loser then your ex should warn every girl you try to date about you and the lesson here is if you have a girlfriend get a job and for petes sakes! do things with her!
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.
That's like saying if you knew your friend's plane was going to blow up, let him find out for himself instead of telling him. Or don't tell your friends about the bad dinning experience you had at some restaurant, let them find out for themselves. Works both ways now don't it. It's human nature to boycott or tell everyone you know close to you about the experiences you had. He just saved some "kid's" "hard earned" money from being wasted. He should be given the key to the city.
Maybe you need to wake up and realize the reason you have no players around is because the game is total crap and flawed in so many ways. Stop accepting crap!
First off, I do not play anymore. Secondly, it is NOT total crap. It is a decent game. I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what. But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game. And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be a FACT. There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION. And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION. I found a hair in a burger king burger once. Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No. Same concept.
You might have if you paid 50 bucks for the burger and they expected you to pay a monthly fee afterwards, and honestly if you don't even play the game why do you care if someone states their opinion about it?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
With the quality of AoC the game should be free with maybe and thats a big maybe a small $5-$10 a month fee at most. The way it stands now at $50 it should come packaged with a jar of vasoline.
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.
Do you really think everyone is that stupid. If one girl does this and no other then she is probably a little nutty, if you have multiple women doing this then there is probably something wrong with you.
This sort of stuff happens all the time. Making up people's minds for them indeed.
Well I am off to practice my powers of mind control.
I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
well as i see it i would rather not play a mmo where they just try to take your money i go for the free ones that just try to get your money with item malls and sometimes they do lucky them huh!!
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This policy is almost the exact same for Gamestop and EBgames on software. Btw I'm not some huge fan of Age of Conan and really hate the way it's being run. And to the OP, the guy's yout alked to very well could of thought you were annoying, and left the store to go buy it somewere else. You don't know how many times I am in gamestop and some loser feels his need to talk to me about a game he hates that I am looking at. Either way, does it matter? The game is a niche game, let it be that. But to all those fools saying they took back their copy, comon and be for real.
the OP should be a traveling cigarette salesman, thats the same type of shady attitude
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
1) Log on 2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do? I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough. I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done) Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group" 3) Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst" *note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group.... 4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta 5) camp is taken, move on to the next one 6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up
Well my experience is a bit different.
1. Log ON
2. I load in Kashetta and while Iam still thinking what will I do some starting to beat me up while my "protection" is still on. I hover over the protection buff and see 9 seconds to go, I buff my self and start gaining some distance and as soon as the buff is off I beat the crap out of him.
3. Now checking my guild window to see there are 34 members online, I ask in guild chat whats up and members are responding we are in Epic Kashetta now grinding and protection our spawn as we get attacked by other groups every now and then.
4. I joined them and do some grind there for like 20 minutes ( got lucky with 1 epic too ) then one of the members suggest lets go to normal Kashetta and grind that camp for gems so we do it.
Once we port there few more members wanna join and asking in what instance are we .. checking the instance window I see 5 instances we told them come to Balder and lets make 3 groups.
5. Around 1.5h pass since I log in its 17:30 GMT and people are getting raid for our Black Citadel Raid.
The raid is over within 2h and around 10 members were put out of rotation so I ask them what are you guys up to, the raid is over ... they responded we are fighting with few russian guilds at city in kashetta, all of our raid moves there and what we see is almost 2 full raids of russian guild against several other guilds and us. After around 45 minutes of fighting there is like 28 members online we still have 1 raid group goin on but russians are logging off.
Well thats above average day in AoC.
Average day:
1. Raid either BRC or vistrix
2. Some group farming in epic or normal kashetta
3. 2 days per week we dont raid but are doing boosting groups .. 1 boosting group of lvl 60 and 70 and another 12 man raid for protection.
4. At least 3 to 5 mini games to boost up our guild points. ( 3 to 5 for me )
5. Some open world PvP group vs group or raid vs raid.
But as some mention AoC is quite boring because there is not much you can do the only thing beside raiding is the content you create for your self.
We wanna do sieging but its borked, we wanna get pvp XP points but they are not implemented, we wanna have PvP weapons/armors but there are ingame yet etc...
If you are in casual guild or solo there is really nothing to do to be worth while once you reach level 80 until they provide some decent end game content ( raiding is far from enough ) players will leave the game.
AoC is worth all the money if you dont mind qutting the game once you reach max level, you have great combat system, quests are good and funny, you have great graphics etc .. ( keep in mind the game will crash from time to time, there are few annoying bugs and if you cant stand that do not buy it ).
p.s. I feel sorry for WAR couse the same ex AoC fans that were bashing WAR few months ago and now are speaking like WAR is 2nd comming ... wait 2 months after WAR is released and just keep track what will they do.
I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.
Since when did Best Buy allow returns of opened software?
Who knows, possibly around the time companies started printing lies on the box. If they receive enough complaints and the customer can prove that the product was misrepresented by the developer or just downright not functional, they will often make exceptions. Its all in how you approach the clerk at the return desk. Apparently many made a big enough stink about it to get them to cave for this particular game.
You have to remember that Best buy is not run by fanboys or funcom employees, they are run by rational adults that know whether its worth it to piss off customers and lose business by not allowing a return on a bad product. Its possible the manager and employees gave it a try and realized it was bad as well.
As for me, I'm not quite so good at bartering with the clerks, so I just chalked up my purchase of the game as a loss. I wish I had the money back, I could have used it to buy something that was good, but oh well. At least others seem to be having some success.
While I didn't get clarification from the clerk, I highly doubt it was a full refund. It was most likely just store credit.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
A person should not automatically adopt another's opinion, good or bad.
That said, a person should still take advice. If you hear lots of varied opinions on a product, make your own choice. If you hear an overwhelmingly positive sea of opinions about it, that's a pretty safe bet. If you hear an overwhelmingly negative sea of opinions about it, it is usually a good idea to stay away.
Yes, there is always that tiny chance that AoC is a great game that is simply surrounded by bad press. Yes, it may just be that you have to try it for yourself to realize that all those angry bloggers were wrong.
But that's such a small chance. It's just so much more likely that it is a terrible game, and that even if you LOVE it, it will be shut down so that Funcom can work on their latest "project"
Hmm.. I wonder was it this easy for charles manson..
I'm one of those "strangers" who don't really care who spends money on what (unless they are buying one of my hookers).. So why would I waste time trying to "convince" someone why not to play a game?
I'm sure if they really wanted to play it, they would have just took the plunge and bought it anyway.. So obviously they were already little weary from the start..
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This is kinda an oxymoron statement. You are defending the game you quit cause you didn't like it n then tell others to stop bashing it cause you liked it?
If 90% of the world hated burritos that means that they all tried it n hated em...so why waist my time n money on the burrito that has a 90% chance I will dislike it?
I Salute you for saving 2 more unsuspecting souls from Failcoms deceit.
I was in there today also preordering War and was talking to the Owner of gamestop. His overview of AoC was that its the worst MMO he has ever seen and he's telling people to wait for War as well. Whats left of my guild in AoC is going to War since they cant take all the problems with AoC anymore.
Guess the hole Funcom dug at launch with its lies is collapsing on them.
your guild will be very very happy in WAR ! i am whats referred to as an Elder tester in the WAR beta , what that means is i ( and many others ) specifically test end game content .
now please read that last line again every one .
Funcom deserves every thing they get and more . they are a shaddy company that sold AOC knowing full well it wasn't good , wasn't even remotely finished and was missing most main selling points for the game .
Tell me this, have you ever read a movie review?
Or recommended/warned people about a restaurant? Looked at hotel reviews when booking a holiday?
Are you telling me these things are bad?
The problem is that you need to have an idea of what you are getting into before you spend your cash - because afterwards if you decide its rubbish, its too late.
I was a supporter of AoC for some time but I can admit that I was wrong. Seems once you reach the level cap it's like hitting a wall. There's literally almost nothing to do. Here's life at 80 in vanguard errr I mean AoC:
1) Log on
2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do? I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough. I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done) Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group"
3) Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst"
*note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group....
4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta
5) camp is taken, move on to the next one
6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up.
A harsh point to be made but it's all too true. There are many things to this game that has so much potential! This game can easily be lumped in with Vanguard as a "salvage project" Yeah, maybe some day AoC will be a good game after they fix performance, gameplay, add content and such. Age of Conan needs a lot of polish. Just like Vanguard, I wanted this game to be great, I wanted to find a new home for the next couple of years and once again I was let down.
One can easily see AoC merging their servers, and going into damage control mode to try and stop the bleeding. My guild was of a respectable size (100+ active players at peak) and as I sadly cancelled my account we were down to 4-5 people. Some went back to EQ, some are giving LotRO a try and several of us are going to give WAR a go when it releases. (lets cross our fingers once again)
As far as the argument "let someone find out for themselves" I totally applaud the OP for steering people away from AoC. I look at it this way, I have a good job so dropping 50.00 on a game isn't a big deal. I buy a game, try it for a bit, if it sucks I move on. That much money might be a lot for someone with a stricter budget. Suppose you can only afford to buy one game every few months and the game you mistakenly choose is a game like AoC. You install the game, log on and play for a few weeks and notice the community rapidly declining. Or the perfomance isn't nearly as good as you had hoped it would be. Now think how all that could have been avoided if someone was kind enough to share their experiences right before purchase.
Ill say this as nicely as I can but who the hell are you to tell anyone not to do something? FC made this bed and now they get to have a nice little dirtnap in it.
And unless the OP is God then the kids still have free will. Well I guess he could be an evil anti-FC jedi using a mind trick but hey, such is life
If he had said he told the kids how its the next best thing since sliced bread would you be as angry or are you a hypocrite when it comes to free thought?
Fungerer som det skal
Couple odd things about this post.
Your guild have 100+ active members, yet you had trouble finding a group. That makes it sound like you're some sort of grouping leper.
"I can't craft epic items because my guild, with 100+ members doesn't have a high enough city. I don't actually want to work on that city becoming high enough myself, I will let my guildmates do that for me, the same ones who don't want to group with me.... I can't figure out why".
You then go on to compare it to Vanguard, but you didn't even get a max level character in Vanguard, so obviously your beef with Vanguard was something different than your beef with AoC, which was high level content.
You've got a lot of max level characters in a lot of games, with closed accounts. Seems like there may be something wrong here, besides the games.
Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, the bell tolls for you.
... after I left the store, those two same kids, joking about some old geezer, went back and bought themselves a copy of Age of Conan.
Couple odd things about this post.
Your guild have 100+ active members, yet you had trouble finding a group. That makes it sound like you're some sort of grouping leper.
"I can't craft epic items because my guild, with 100+ members doesn't have a high enough city. I don't actually want to work on that city becoming high enough myself, I will let my guildmates do that for me, the same ones who don't want to group with me.... I can't figure out why".
You then go on to compare it to Vanguard, but you didn't even get a max level character in Vanguard, so obviously your beef with Vanguard was something different than your beef with AoC, which was high level content.
You've got a lot of max level characters in a lot of games, with closed accounts. Seems like there may be something wrong here, besides the games.
Don't ask for whom the bell tolls, the bell tolls for you.
Couple of odds things with this reply.
100+ guild members at peak, I stated we were down to 4-5 before I cancelled. Back when AoC was booming I had no problem at all getting groups and finding things to do. I was discussing the current state of the game sorry if it was a bit confusing. In regards to our city, we were working towards our tier 2 city as the server's "wheels fell off the bus" We lost all our architects and left us only able to craft level 75 items. I didn't feel I should live a life of solo gathering the massive amount of materials for a tier 2 city when the game should be about fighting and adventuring.
I made similarities to the fail of vanguard to the impending doom of age of conan not some grudge about one game or the other. Anyone who put a lot of faith into VG or AoC can see the obvious direction both games started out at and where they headed. I didn't reach the max level in vanguard simply because the state of the game was so poor I couldn't motivate myself to continue any more. At the time I left VG the endgame content was virtually nonexistant and thus pointless to continue to the level cap. For an approximate timeline of when I bailed on Vanguard it was a week or two before they took all of Sigil's devs into the parking lot and fired everyone. Anyone who played at that time can see where I'm coming from.
I've got a lot of max characters in a lot of games because you're looking at several years of MMO experience. If you look at the list of titles in my sig and have played any of those then you'd understand. Some games I played for a year or two and some get burned out after a few months due to lack of content.
The flaws in AoC are blantantly obvious. If the game had anything going for it there wouldn't be a massive decline of its population. If you read something with your mind already made up then I guess you're going to see what you want to see. I guess that's what's odd about my post.
Lets look at what is true.
People thinks the game is in between awesome and totally crap.
For me it is totally mind boggling that some people think this game is good. I will leave it at that.
All I would like to say is, open your eyes, listen to others, but choose wisely in what you believe to be true.
I ve said it before, there is nothing wrong with telling people your opinions on a product. Especially if people ask. I would go out of my way if someone was in the store looking at it and talking amongst their friends, and they re talking about wether to get it or not. I would chime in and say how i feel about it. That includes any product i feel positive, or negative about.
... after I left the store, those two same kids, joking about some old geezer, went back and bought themselves a copy of Age of Conan.
.......and then a few weeks later thought to themselves "Damn! I should have listened to that guy because everything he said was true! I guess I wasted my money"
caveat emptor
If someone just fell off a high bridge with no guard rail, and two more were looking over the edge, would you not tell them to stay back !!!!
Same thing, but Funcom is much worse
WAR??.... that's all i need to know about your tastes....
stay
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you smell like boredom...
..Cake..
I understand your metaphor perfectly but I think if you are a no life loser then your ex should warn every girl you try to date about you and the lesson here is if you have a girlfriend get a job and for petes sakes! do things with her!
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
That's like saying if you knew your friend's plane was going to blow up, let him find out for himself instead of telling him. Or don't tell your friends about the bad dinning experience you had at some restaurant, let them find out for themselves. Works both ways now don't it. It's human nature to boycott or tell everyone you know close to you about the experiences you had. He just saved some "kid's" "hard earned" money from being wasted. He should be given the key to the city.
Maybe you need to wake up and realize the reason you have no players around is because the game is total crap and flawed in so many ways. Stop accepting crap!
First off, I do not play anymore. Secondly, it is NOT total crap. It is a decent game. I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what. But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game. And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be a FACT. There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION. And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION. I found a hair in a burger king burger once. Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No. Same concept.
You might have if you paid 50 bucks for the burger and they expected you to pay a monthly fee afterwards, and honestly if you don't even play the game why do you care if someone states their opinion about it?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
With the quality of AoC the game should be free with maybe and thats a big maybe a small $5-$10 a month fee at most. The way it stands now at $50 it should come packaged with a jar of vasoline.
Do you really think everyone is that stupid. If one girl does this and no other then she is probably a little nutty, if you have multiple women doing this then there is probably something wrong with you.
This sort of stuff happens all the time. Making up people's minds for them indeed.
Well I am off to practice my powers of mind control.
I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
well as i see it i would rather not play a mmo where they just try to take your money i go for the free ones that just try to get your money with item malls and sometimes they do lucky them huh!!
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All I can say is:
Exceptions
The following items are not returnable:
Any
merchandise missing the original Universal Product Code (UPC) cannot be returned. If the item is damaged or defective, please see details below.
Taken directly from www.bestbuy.com/site//olspage.jsp
This policy is almost the exact same for Gamestop and EBgames on software. Btw I'm not some huge fan of Age of Conan and really hate the way it's being run. And to the OP, the guy's yout alked to very well could of thought you were annoying, and left the store to go buy it somewere else. You don't know how many times I am in gamestop and some loser feels his need to talk to me about a game he hates that I am looking at. Either way, does it matter? The game is a niche game, let it be that. But to all those fools saying they took back their copy, comon and be for real.
the OP should be a traveling cigarette salesman, thats the same type of shady attitude
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Well my experience is a bit different.
1. Log ON
2. I load in Kashetta and while Iam still thinking what will I do some starting to beat me up while my "protection" is still on. I hover over the protection buff and see 9 seconds to go, I buff my self and start gaining some distance and as soon as the buff is off I beat the crap out of him.
3. Now checking my guild window to see there are 34 members online, I ask in guild chat whats up and members are responding we are in Epic Kashetta now grinding and protection our spawn as we get attacked by other groups every now and then.
4. I joined them and do some grind there for like 20 minutes ( got lucky with 1 epic too ) then one of the members suggest lets go to normal Kashetta and grind that camp for gems so we do it.
Once we port there few more members wanna join and asking in what instance are we .. checking the instance window I see 5 instances we told them come to Balder and lets make 3 groups.
5. Around 1.5h pass since I log in its 17:30 GMT and people are getting raid for our Black Citadel Raid.
The raid is over within 2h and around 10 members were put out of rotation so I ask them what are you guys up to, the raid is over ... they responded we are fighting with few russian guilds at city in kashetta, all of our raid moves there and what we see is almost 2 full raids of russian guild against several other guilds and us. After around 45 minutes of fighting there is like 28 members online we still have 1 raid group goin on but russians are logging off.
Well thats above average day in AoC.
Average day:
1. Raid either BRC or vistrix
2. Some group farming in epic or normal kashetta
3. 2 days per week we dont raid but are doing boosting groups .. 1 boosting group of lvl 60 and 70 and another 12 man raid for protection.
4. At least 3 to 5 mini games to boost up our guild points. ( 3 to 5 for me )
5. Some open world PvP group vs group or raid vs raid.
But as some mention AoC is quite boring because there is not much you can do the only thing beside raiding is the content you create for your self.
We wanna do sieging but its borked, we wanna get pvp XP points but they are not implemented, we wanna have PvP weapons/armors but there are ingame yet etc...
If you are in casual guild or solo there is really nothing to do to be worth while once you reach level 80 until they provide some decent end game content ( raiding is far from enough ) players will leave the game.
AoC is worth all the money if you dont mind qutting the game once you reach max level, you have great combat system, quests are good and funny, you have great graphics etc .. ( keep in mind the game will crash from time to time, there are few annoying bugs and if you cant stand that do not buy it ).
p.s. I feel sorry for WAR couse the same ex AoC fans that were bashing WAR few months ago and now are speaking like WAR is 2nd comming ... wait 2 months after WAR is released and just keep track what will they do.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
Since when did Best Buy allow returns of opened software?
Who knows, possibly around the time companies started printing lies on the box. If they receive enough complaints and the customer can prove that the product was misrepresented by the developer or just downright not functional, they will often make exceptions. Its all in how you approach the clerk at the return desk. Apparently many made a big enough stink about it to get them to cave for this particular game.
You have to remember that Best buy is not run by fanboys or funcom employees, they are run by rational adults that know whether its worth it to piss off customers and lose business by not allowing a return on a bad product. Its possible the manager and employees gave it a try and realized it was bad as well.
As for me, I'm not quite so good at bartering with the clerks, so I just chalked up my purchase of the game as a loss. I wish I had the money back, I could have used it to buy something that was good, but oh well. At least others seem to be having some success.
While I didn't get clarification from the clerk, I highly doubt it was a full refund. It was most likely just store credit.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
A person should not automatically adopt another's opinion, good or bad.
That said, a person should still take advice. If you hear lots of varied opinions on a product, make your own choice. If you hear an overwhelmingly positive sea of opinions about it, that's a pretty safe bet. If you hear an overwhelmingly negative sea of opinions about it, it is usually a good idea to stay away.
Yes, there is always that tiny chance that AoC is a great game that is simply surrounded by bad press. Yes, it may just be that you have to try it for yourself to realize that all those angry bloggers were wrong.
But that's such a small chance. It's just so much more likely that it is a terrible game, and that even if you LOVE it, it will be shut down so that Funcom can work on their latest "project"
Hmm.. I wonder was it this easy for charles manson..
I'm one of those "strangers" who don't really care who spends money on what (unless they are buying one of my hookers).. So why would I waste time trying to "convince" someone why not to play a game?
I'm sure if they really wanted to play it, they would have just took the plunge and bought it anyway.. So obviously they were already little weary from the start..