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TengwarTengwar Member Posts: 20

Jesus H Tapdancing christ if I had known there were people who took their ethics way too seriously on these boards I would have never made the post.

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  • KabbaxKabbax Member Posts: 278

    Private servers undermine the whole industry. 

    If they are so talented at making a better WoW, why don't they just make their own game without blizzards code?

    Illegal servers have the benefit of not having to be a buisness, they can do things that would upset the majority of the players and not worry about it.

    Not to mention by accessing them, your giving people who have willingly broken the law, a connection to your computer. Would you trust a criminal more then a respectable buisness?

     

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  • saniceksanicek Member UncommonPosts: 368

    That which must not be mentioned has been mentioned.

    Anyway, private servers are not cool, for many reasons. Basically they can't truly be MMO in the usual longevity, stability, working as intendness, building up your char, sense of accomplishment, etc sense. They can provide short term arcade fun factor and I have better things for that.

    As for the poster above me... the last sentence... lol. Tbh, willingly breaking the law on daily basis myself I would trust the other ones doing so much more than any "respectable businesses".

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  • KabbaxKabbax Member Posts: 278

    Its just the premise some people have that i personally don't associate with.

    Anyone can be corrupt, but downloading hacked software, that some hacker cracked, is just asking for problems.

    But i've met cool crack heads, and honest muggers. Anythings possible, just risking more if you associate with them a lot.

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    -Oscar Wilde

  • TengwarTengwar Member Posts: 20

    Your code of ethics is completely bonkers dude. Its probably time for a new one. Those things only go about 100,000 miles anyway.

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    The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    pirate servers are against the rule of this site...if you don't like., find another forum.....simple as that.

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  • TengwarTengwar Member Posts: 20

    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them

    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.

    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?

    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P

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    The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness. -- How do you fight such a savage? -- With heart, faith and skill. In the end there can be only one.

  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657

    Unofficial Servers

    • Discussing or advertising unofficial servers or emulators for MMOs is not permitted on the MMORPG.com forums. These servers are against the Terms of Service of the original game, and violate the intellectual propriety rights of the game's publisher and developer.

    www.mmorpg.com/disclaimers.cfm#conduct

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  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 Member CommonPosts: 1,262
    Originally posted by Tengwar


    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them
    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.
    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?
    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P

     

    Dont worry im on your side, who cares its a free forum!

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Tengwar


    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them
    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.
    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?
    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P



     

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  • OrthedosOrthedos Member Posts: 1,771
    Originally posted by dethgar

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    SWG emulator is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

    { Mod Edit }

  • OrthedosOrthedos Member Posts: 1,771
    Originally posted by Tengwar


    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them
    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.
    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?
    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P

    All wrong.

     

    The owner of this site has clearly stated that private servers are not welcome as subject of discussion here.  This is not an issue of freedom of speech.  You can go to the backyard of your home and recite the words "private servers" till you mouth is dry.  That is freedom of speech.  On these forums you do not have that freedom.  Actually private servers are illegal, and this web owner wants to steer clear of it.  It is not retarded.  Anger against IP (intellectual properties) theft is not retarded.  You sounded very retarded calling people retarded.

    Whose (not who's) rule is this? Why is this rule in place?  Come on, you signed an agreement before you are allowed to post here.  Did you even care to read it?  And you have the nerve to come and shout?  Grow up and gain some braincells.

    Sound like a retard to me.

  • Perilous1Perilous1 Member Posts: 52
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by Tengwar


    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them
    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.
    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?
    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P



     

    The "Logout" button is up at the top right. Feel free to use it.

    I have something in my pants.. Feel free to nuzzle it..

     

    Until a thread is locked by someone of authority here at mmorpg.com people can and will post whatever they like.

    Because you happen to have posted here far more than anyone old enough to have sex should have doesn't give you the right to come down on anyone else like the forum-Nazi you so dearly yearn to be.

    Here is a simple fact to the whole Emu thing.. Creating a backend server that responds to the client is not the least bit illegal so long as the client itself is not modified and no one other than Blizzard profits from use of the client. Its akin to Microsoft freaking out when Internet Explorer is used to browse a private Intranet. It may very well violate the EULA imposed by Blizzard but Blizzard doesn't get to decide what is legal or not. The maximum penalty for violating their EULA is... (wait for it)... having an active account suspended/banned.

    There is plenty of huffing and puffing from software developers over Emulations, and rightly so if they want to protect their bottom line. But that is all it is, alot of hot air. Legally, there is little they can do.

  • KasimirKasimir Member Posts: 197

    Reading his other posts explains a lot. This is one big flipping baby. A big baby that gets hurt and feels injustly accused a LOT. Check his post history... He wont hit puberty until he is 45 years old. Just lock and close.

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  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 Member CommonPosts: 1,262
    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar

    { Mod Edit }



     

    SWG emulator is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

    { Mod Edit }

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Kabbax


    Private servers undermine the whole industry. 
    If they are so talented at making a better WoW, why don't they just make their own game without blizzards code?
    Illegal servers have the benefit of not having to be a buisness, they can do things that would upset the majority of the players and not worry about it.
    Not to mention by accessing them, your giving people who have willingly broken the law, a connection to your computer. Would you trust a criminal more then a respectable buisness?
     

     

    just curious...

    ultima online has a problem with private servers?

     

    just curious, due to the righteous indignation.  i mean, i'm sure that everyone who goes to a private server is also promoting terrorism, communists, the fifth reich, al jazeera, hari krishna and also putting a bunch of people working on movies out of work (the type that don't get a commission/royalties, the ones that just get a normal paycheck and after the movie is created, they don't see a cent more).

     

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by Tengwar


    I wasnt promoting any certain one, just sharing my experiences with them
    Apparently thats anger overload for this community.  Which is retarded.
    Who's rule is this? Why is this rule in place? For what purpose does this rule of being unable to SPEAK of this serve?
    Sounds like a bunch of crap to me :P

    All wrong.

     

    The owner of this site has clearly stated that private servers are not welcome as subject of discussion here.  This is not an issue of freedom of speech.  You can go to the backyard of your home and recite the words "private servers" till you mouth is dry.  That is freedom of speech.  On these forums you do not have that freedom.  Actually private servers are illegal, and this web owner wants to steer clear of it.  It is not retarded.  Anger against IP (intellectual properties) theft is not retarded.  You sounded very retarded calling people retarded.

    Whose (not who's) rule is this? Why is this rule in place?  Come on, you signed an agreement before you are allowed to post here.  Did you even care to read it?  And you have the nerve to come and shout?  Grow up and gain some braincells.

    Sound like a retard to me.

     

    nerd rage is illegal.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar

    { Mod Edit }



     

    SWG emulator is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

    { Mod Edit }

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

    SWG, WoW, etc. did not give out their code to the public, so your analogy is fundamentally flawed. Come back when they publically declare their intellectual property abandonware and hand out the source code.

     

  • Perilous1Perilous1 Member Posts: 52
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar

    { Mod Edit }



     

    SWG emulator is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

    { Mod Edit }

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

    SWG, WoW, etc. did not give out their code to the public, so your analogy is fundamentally flawed. Come back when they publically declare their intellectual property abandonware and hand out the source code.

     

    Their code is not being altered. That is what you clearly cannot seem to grasp. Emu teams recreate backend servers entirely from scratch. Typically, the clients are not altered in any way and it's the client itself that is the gameworld that the player sees and interacts with.

     

    Emulations are not illegal and therefore restricting discussion of them has no basis. But, as I mentioned before if/when this thread gets locked then we can all move on. In the meantime, what gets discussed (allowed or not) isn't anyone's damn business. Stop trying to police forums you have no authority in.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Perilous1

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar


    Most servers aren't cracked versions of the developers server software, but rather pure 100% emulation. Meaning the client can recognize and take commands from it.
     
    I personally support the swgemu.com project because it brings back an old game that was taken from us, and surprisingly its more stable than the server software SOE used. In the case of active games though, I don't see the point. The people I know that play Ragnarok private servers usually do it for socializing and epeen purposes. Most emulated servers are a horrible shell of the true game that kids who can't get their parents to fork up for it play and pretend its significant.



     

    SWGemu is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

    SWG, WoW, etc. did not give out their code to the public, so your analogy is fundamentally flawed. Come back when they publically declare their intellectual property abandonware and hand out the source code.

     

    Their code is not being altered. That is what you clearly cannot seem to grasp. Emu teams recreate backend servers entirely from scratch. Typically, the clients are not altered in any way and it's the client itself that is the gameworld that the player sees and interacts with.

     

    Emulations are not illegal and therefore restricting discussion of them has no basis. But, as I mentioned before if/when this thread gets locked then we can all move on. In the meantime, what gets discussed (allowed or not) isn't anyone's damn business. Stop trying to police forums you have no authority in.



     

    I have the same authority as anyone else. You are posting in flagrant disregard for this sites rules. Don't like the rules, don't post. How hard is that? What, you can't pull off the teenage rebellion schtick in real life, so you try to play it here?

  • Perilous1Perilous1 Member Posts: 52
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by Perilous1

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar


    Most servers aren't cracked versions of the developers server software, but rather pure 100% emulation. Meaning the client can recognize and take commands from it.
     
    I personally support the swgemu.com project because it brings back an old game that was taken from us, and surprisingly its more stable than the server software SOE used. In the case of active games though, I don't see the point. The people I know that play Ragnarok private servers usually do it for socializing and epeen purposes. Most emulated servers are a horrible shell of the true game that kids who can't get their parents to fork up for it play and pretend its significant.



     

    SWGemu is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

    SWG, WoW, etc. did not give out their code to the public, so your analogy is fundamentally flawed. Come back when they publically declare their intellectual property abandonware and hand out the source code.

     

    Their code is not being altered. That is what you clearly cannot seem to grasp. Emu teams recreate backend servers entirely from scratch. Typically, the clients are not altered in any way and it's the client itself that is the gameworld that the player sees and interacts with.

     

    Emulations are not illegal and therefore restricting discussion of them has no basis. But, as I mentioned before if/when this thread gets locked then we can all move on. In the meantime, what gets discussed (allowed or not) isn't anyone's damn business. Stop trying to police forums you have no authority in.



     

    I have the same authority as anyone else. You are posting in flagrant disregard for this sites rules. Don't like the rules, don't post. How hard is that? What, you can't pull off the teenage rebellion schtick in real life, so you try to play it here?

    Thank you for making my point for me.. You have the same authority here as the rest of us.. Exactly none.

     

    I don't much like this particular rule, and I will post anyway. It's not for you to point out rules and lash out at others for the content of their posts. When mmorpg.com feels you're worth a crap, they'll hire you. In the meantime, those burgers aren't going to flip themselves, and yes.. I would like fries with that.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Perilous1

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by Perilous1

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by Orthedos

    Originally posted by dethgar


    Most servers aren't cracked versions of the developers server software, but rather pure 100% emulation. Meaning the client can recognize and take commands from it.
     
    I personally support the swgemu.com project because it brings back an old game that was taken from us, and surprisingly its more stable than the server software SOE used. In the case of active games though, I don't see the point. The people I know that play Ragnarok private servers usually do it for socializing and epeen purposes. Most emulated servers are a horrible shell of the true game that kids who can't get their parents to fork up for it play and pretend its significant.



     

    SWGemu is illegal, period.

    Lucas spent a lot of effort creating that world.  He has the sole right to using it.  Creating a game using jedis, the entire SWG world, without his consent is pure robbery.  I do not belief you have grounds to justify SWGemu.  If SWG owner decides not to create his SWG onine in a certain way you like, that does not give you the right to steal the SWG content and make your own game.  Codeset is not the only issue, its the ownership over the SWG world.

    The game SWG is changed in a way different from your apsiriations.  That does not mean its taken away from you.  You never own it.  Lucas provide a game environment (with SoE) and you agree to play in it.  When they change it, you have the right to stay or move.  You are pretending that you own that SWG and that they illegally change it, stealing someone FROM you.  You are stealing from them when you play a private server, not the other way round.

    I still love my first days in SWG, before the CU.  That does not justify me looking for a private server, and that means I do not agree with what you are saying or doing.

     

    Too bad your 100% wrong here.

     

    The short version of Why, How many bands do a cover of a song. Tons. My band can go sit down and cover whatever we want, you know why? Cause we arent making a profit!!!

     

    As long as your not making money off of it your free to write, play, or do what you want with the information people give out to the public.

     

    -Jive

    SWG, WoW, etc. did not give out their code to the public, so your analogy is fundamentally flawed. Come back when they publically declare their intellectual property abandonware and hand out the source code.

     

    Their code is not being altered. That is what you clearly cannot seem to grasp. Emu teams recreate backend servers entirely from scratch. Typically, the clients are not altered in any way and it's the client itself that is the gameworld that the player sees and interacts with.

     

    Emulations are not illegal and therefore restricting discussion of them has no basis. But, as I mentioned before if/when this thread gets locked then we can all move on. In the meantime, what gets discussed (allowed or not) isn't anyone's damn business. Stop trying to police forums you have no authority in.



     

    I have the same authority as anyone else. You are posting in flagrant disregard for this sites rules. Don't like the rules, don't post. How hard is that? What, you can't pull off the teenage rebellion schtick in real life, so you try to play it here?

    Thank you for making my point for me.. You have the same authority here as the rest of us.. Exactly none.

     

    I don't much like this particular rule, and I will post anyway. It's not for you to point out rules and lash out at others for the content of their posts. When mmorpg.com feels you're worth a crap, they'll hire you. In the meantime, those burgers aren't going to flip themselves, and yes.. I would like fries with that.

    Good one. Get the local kindergarteners to help you out with that? For all you know, I could buy and sell you. 'Course, I probably wouldn't make a profit, but oh well.

     

  • VandurielVanduriel Member Posts: 94

    *click*

     

    Thread is going places.

     

    Additionally, "Discussing or advertising unofficial servers or emulators for MMOs is not permitted on the MMORPG.com forums. These servers are against the Terms of Service of the original game, and violate the intellectual propriety rights of the game's publisher and developer." is meant seriously.

    If you really want to discuss this (which, honestly, has been beaten to death in countless threads already), feel free to use PMs. On our public forums, it's a no-no. :)

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