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  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128
    Originally posted by miagisan


    so say you spent ummm $20,000 to produce software and such in a lab.....supposed to be the next big thing in whatever. After selling about $10,000 worth of product, suddenly in dwindles to nothing, or such a low income you basically sell 1 item every month. You are in the red. Next thing you know, you are surfing the net and see your software free and cracked. You are no longer making substantial income and you have not made back what you invested. You would not be happy.
     
    Actually...never mind....i see you are still a college student. I was the same way. I am a geologist, i work with the petroleum industry. I graduated thinking i was going to save the world, pro bono, etc. 2 years in, marriage, mortgage, kid, i am looking for the highest bidder to pay me in my field. College/High school students have a great view of the world, i was the same. But reality will sink in. You will be looking for the highest pay when you get out...i have no doubts about that.

    While were making up imaginary scenarios with no basis in reality.

    How about when you want to goto work and your pig just doesnt run fast enough.

    Im really sorry to hear that your jaded and miserable, but sadly those qualities dont make your arguement any more valid. Perhaps this very problems explains why you cant see what im saying. I dont expect the goverment to enforce outdated laws, to protect my outdated methods.

    This is similar to the old mail order porn sellers who used to put ads in the back of PC gaming magazines. That market died as the internet took over and porn was free.

    What did the porn industry do? They started finding ways to make money, fully accepting that every picture they put on the internet would be stolen and probably resold on another dozen sites. How often do you hear porn sides asking the government to go after the thousands of sites that steal their content...

    why cant we all be as resiliant and creative as the porn industry?

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  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 Member CommonPosts: 1,262
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Originally posted by miagisan


    i am sure if you were a musician who's life and income depended on the sale of your music you would think differently

     

    Too bad one of the most famous Punk Bands Pennywise, put out their latest albums for free to download  simply because you dont need to sell albums, the money is made in touring. If your greedy you try to sell thousands of CD's .real muscians dont need to. they make more than an average living off touring.

     

    -Jive

    Real musicians...right......real musicians would do it for the love of the music according to you..they are not in it for the money....REAL musicians would not charge you a cover charge, ticket prices, or sales. All their music should be free.

     

    Why are you contradicting yourself?

     

    You just said we shouldnt pirate music and movies!?!! and now your saying that everything they do should be free???

     

    Whats wrong with you?!!?!

     

    -Jive

    you are saying that REAL musicians wouldn't charge for their music....well then software developers, inventors, etc shouldn't charge for their products.

     

    Ha except for luckily enough for me, I said "simply because you dont need to sell albums,".

     

    Your argument is also bunked because Softeware develoeprs do what?



    Develop software. Thats their only means of income. With musicians there main source of income is in touring, so they dont "Need" to sell CD's its just extra profit.

     

    If you havent noticed many bands give out free songs on their myspace and whole albums to listen to.

     

    Pirating isnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

     

    The only people I feel bad for is the Porn industry. All those poor out of work men and women.

     

    -Jive

  • GishgeronGishgeron Member Posts: 1,287
    Originally posted by miagisan


    and you said their latest album is being distributed for free.....what about all their other albums? I am sure they could afford to throw 1 bone to the public for free since they are "the most famous punk band ever", 1 album will not break their income...but what if every album they sell in the future is free.....either willingly or against their wishes....think they would still do it?

     

    First, album sales are a very TINY portion of a professional musicians wallet.  A touring performer makes almost every dime he pockets off of tickets to a show.  They draw very little from CD sales, the producer usually gets the largest cut of that...as they usually eat the production cost.  So, really, distributing free isn't costing the band anything. 

     

    Second, after reading your posts....you have no clue what a real musician is.  A person who really loves music is going to want to do nothing but play it all day.  In order for such a deep love to survive...the host of it kinda needs to pay his bills and get food.  TRUE musicians absolutely MUST find a way to make money at it....else they get stuck in a factory trying to make ends meet WHILE providing us with new tracks. 

    These guys have no other way to make money....and STILL be able to play.  I have been there, done that.  You shouldn't ever look down on a group of talent musicians for wanting to get paid.

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  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,402

    I know for a fact how easy it is to pirate bot video games and music.. since i know how to do both, but despite knowing that, i still plan on going into the game industry, and i am working on graduating so i can get started.

     

    Correct me if i am wrong but musicians are artists.. and they are about entertainment not money, and while they make a massive amount of money they make their music all the same. I personally love video games, i want to create them, and i know i will lose a lot of money to piracy when that day comes, that doesnt change the fact that i still plan on doing it.

    Music makes money through videos, concerts, cell phone ring tones that cost 5-10bucks a pop for a single song, video games like rock band and guitar hero,  losing the little money they do through music downloads.

     

    Same with the game industry, they will make a lot moremoney with constant gaming updates like downloadable content, and going the route of MMOs with subscriptions. I personally dont believe in anti piracy programs because they only screw over the real customers, as pirates werent going to buy the game anyway, and they are smart enough to get around the anti pirate programs, as well, introducing ridiculous things like, you only can install a game 3 times is another example of the real customer is screwed.

     

    Stealing is stealing, fine, but it doesnt affect the artist or the creator as much as it hurts the publisher.

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  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811

    That the musicians are not greedy and can live from touring doesn't give you the right to have a CD of their music in your house for free. Sorry, but if you like their work you got to pay for it. They had the talent to create something you can't, that has a value.

  • ORLYBIRDORLYBIRD Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    The NDA is not legally enforceable.  Illegally downloading music, games, and movies is legally enforceable.



     

    Yes it is

  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515
    Originally posted by Tecknic


    I haven't gotten to play the game, but from the little I've seen, it appears to be rather similar to World of Warcraft (particularly in the play-screen layout and the overall style of gameplay).  Is this observation accurate, Mr. No-Longer-Bound-By-The-Non-Disclosure-Agreement, or is it... not accurate?

     

    To get back on topic.

     

    I didnt realise that WoW hade Realm V Realm Combat and was primarily aimed towards PvP.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • gillvane1gillvane1 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,503
    Originally posted by HYPERI0N

    Originally posted by Tecknic


    I haven't gotten to play the game, but from the little I've seen, it appears to be rather similar to World of Warcraft (particularly in the play-screen layout and the overall style of gameplay).  Is this observation accurate, Mr. No-Longer-Bound-By-The-Non-Disclosure-Agreement, or is it... not accurate?

     

    To get back on topic.

     

    I didnt realise that WoW hade Realm V Realm Combat and was primarily aimed towards PvP.

     

    Although the best way to level is by a combination of PvE and PvP, you  CAN level only through PvP if you want to.

  • VandurielVanduriel Member Posts: 94
    Originally posted by HYPERI0N



    To get back on topic.

     

    Please do what the man said. :)

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    One thing I do not understand about gamers, particularly younger or not so well educated gamers, is their faithfulness to the NDA and their willingness to illegally download music.
     
     
    The NDA is not legally enforceable.  Illegally downloading music, games, and movies is legally enforceable.
     
     
    It just surprises how willingly some people steal and sacrafice their First Amendment rights, often several times in the same day.  (laughs about it in real life)

    It's not illegal everywhere.  In Canada we can still do it, for now hehe *watches that legislation with worry*

     

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    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    The NDA is not legally enforceable, regardless of what you read on the "internets" or in some obscure language you probably cannot understand.

     

     

    The NDA is absolutely, positively, unequovically not enforceable.

     

     

    The company may revoke your BETA access, but you are not breaking the law by breaching the NDA.  Non-disclosures agreements are far too complex and complicated for me to discuss here. 

     

     

    I stand by my statement, from years of gaming, how atonishing and amusing it is for me to see naive people adhere to an NDA while illegally downloading videos, games, and movies.

     

    EDIT:  and right after you hear them say, "I cannot break the NDA," they have some songs in the background on the desktop they are downloading.  The irony is that illegal downloading is fully enforceable in every state, and it often is.  The problem is that it is so widespread.

     

    My point is that people are more willing to give-up their First Amendment right to freedom of speech than restrain themselves from stealing videos, music, games, and movies online.

     (and the moment they say, "sorry, cannot breach NDA," they are often illegally doing something on the internet at the same time. LOL)

    Yes.  It is very funny to ME.  lol.

     

    EDIT 2:  pretend it is enforceable.  Just pretend there is some legal resource.  You have NO IDEA what the costs of litigation would be for something like this.  To "prove" someone breached an NDA, regardless of one's First Amendment right.  Then, you would have to "prove" that the breach resulted in some injury, which I cannot conceive of a method of "showing" that.  I am just shocked by immature adults and young people who adhere to NDA while illegally downloading music, games, and movies.  It cracks me up!  Morever, there is even more (much more) complexity, costs, challenges, and difficulties to enforcing an NDA, even if it were enforceable.  It would have to be some fine print arbitration clause, but that requires a whole additional set of complex rules to even be enforceable.  Moreoever, people under the age of majority cannot legally contract!!

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    One thing I do not understand about gamers, particularly younger or not so well educated gamers, is their faithfulness to the NDA and their willingness to illegally download music.
     
     
    The NDA is not legally enforceable.  Illegally downloading music, games, and movies is legally enforceable.
     
     
    It just surprises how willingly some people steal and sacrafice their First Amendment rights, often several times in the same day.  (laughs about it in real life)



     

    I think you need to understand what the "first ammendment rights' actually are. You are confused with the idea that your first ammendment rights (if you are in the U.S.)  means you can say anything you want anytime you want. That is not the case. It means you can speak out against the government, or express yourself and your opinions without cencorship but there are limits.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    Originally posted by altairzq


    That the musicians are not greedy and can live from touring doesn't give you the right to have a CD of their music in your house for free. Sorry, but if you like their work you got to pay for it. They had the talent to create something you can't, that has a value.



     

    THANK YOU!

    It's like people have made the decision that once a person has made "x" amount of money from their efforts then anyone can go and take their work for free.

     

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  • KabbaxKabbax Member Posts: 278

    1st Amendment :

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

     

    If the Government was developing a video game, i guess they would not be able to have an NDA.

     

     

     

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    Originally posted by Kabbax


    1st Amendment :
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
    If the Government was developing a video game, i guess they would not be able to have an NDA.
     
     
     



     

    Also add this:

    There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in fair political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are also often made between speech and other acts, such as flag desecration, which may have symbolic significance.

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  • TeimanTeiman Member Posts: 1,319

    I don't care if NDA is legal or now.

    I *choose* to follow the NDA, and I don't want to break it.  Is more about ethics than anything else.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    Originally posted by Teiman


    I don't care if NDA is legal or now.
    I *choose* to follow the NDA, and I don't want to break it.  Is more about ethics than anything else.



     

    EXACTLY! thank you!

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