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Hero System?

 

What's the Hero system? Wikipedia lists Bioware's "untitled MMOs" as using it...or seems too - the article is kind of poorly worded.

and has since been licensed by other companies such as BioWare Austin and Stray Bullet Games for their own (as yet unnamed) MMO projects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroEngine

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Tzimiscechi


     
    What's the Hero system? Wikipedia lists Bioware's "untitled MMOs" as using it...or seems too - the article is kind of poorly worded.
    and has since been licensed by other companies such as BioWare Austin and Stray Bullet Games for their own (as yet unnamed) MMO projects.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroEngine

    Isn't it the engine chronicles of spellborn's devs built? I could be way off but I know it was developed by a relatively unknown company for a game supposed to release in the last few years.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • Homeslice513Homeslice513 Member UncommonPosts: 180

    It is the Hero's Engine that was built by Simutronics.

    Not sure I say they are unknown but due to the fact they are a MUD maker and making a graphical MMO now they are not as known.

    Hero's Journey wasn't really supposed to be out years ago but they should have been in beta by now. They put too much time in to engine licensing so I think development really slowed on the game. Who knows when that game will come out now though.

    I would not be surprised if KOTRO came out first.

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  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

    The Hero Platform is a licensed MMO platform competing with Big World.  The license fee goes for $1 million.

    I have seen at conventions and it does looked polished.  However the fault that it has is the lack of any prior titles.  So it is a new system waiting to be proven.

    And that is why...

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Homeslice513


    It is the Hero's Engine that was built by Simutronics.
    Not sure I say they are unknown but due to the fact they are a MUD maker and making a graphical MMO now they are not as known.
    Hero's Journey wasn't really supposed to be out years ago but they should have been in beta by now. They put too much time in to engine licensing so I think development really slowed on the game. Who knows when that game will come out now though.
    I would not be surprised if KOTRO came out first.

    Yep sorry about that, Hero's Journey was the game , It looked like COS which is where my confusion came from .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • PapaLazarouPapaLazarou Member Posts: 502

    The problem with that engine is it's built to be instanced and not to be one big seemless world so you just know that if they are making KOTOR Online then it'll be something more like Guild Wars where you meet in towns or AOC where you hit a loading screen every 10 steps. You just know that this is being developed for console aswel so that means it'll be dumbed down and further backs up the claim of lots of instancing.

    So it kills my hype for the game, specially seeing how shit Lucas Arts have gone over the years and how Bioware games have gone down hill with the mediocre Mass Effect and Jade Empire.

  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426

    http://www.heroengine.com/

     

    All the sales information you could ever hope to get on the Hero Engine. :)  It's far more powerful as a collaborative tool than as a graphics engine, I think.  But of course, I've never worked with it before, so I really don't know.

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  • Foxman13Foxman13 Member Posts: 22
    Originally posted by PapaLazarou


    The problem with that engine is it's built to be instanced and not to be one big seemless world so you just know that if they are making KOTOR Online then it'll be something more like Guild Wars where you meet in towns or AOC where you hit a loading screen every 10 steps. You just know that this is being developed for console aswel so that means it'll be dumbed down and further backs up the claim of lots of instancing.
    So it kills my hype for the game, specially seeing how shit Lucas Arts have gone over the years and how Bioware games have gone down hill with the mediocre Mass Effect and Jade Empire.

     

    Actually, this engine supports everything from completely instanced to full wide-open, seamless world. It is up to the developer on how they wish to implement their game world.

  • PapaLazarouPapaLazarou Member Posts: 502
    Originally posted by Foxman13

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou


    The problem with that engine is it's built to be instanced and not to be one big seemless world so you just know that if they are making KOTOR Online then it'll be something more like Guild Wars where you meet in towns or AOC where you hit a loading screen every 10 steps. You just know that this is being developed for console aswel so that means it'll be dumbed down and further backs up the claim of lots of instancing.
    So it kills my hype for the game, specially seeing how shit Lucas Arts have gone over the years and how Bioware games have gone down hill with the mediocre Mass Effect and Jade Empire.

     

    Actually, this engine supports everything from completely instanced to full wide-open, seamless world. It is up to the developer on how they wish to implement their game world.



    All Bioware are going to do is make it all zoned or instanced so they can make eacha rea more detailed than if it was seemless and I've seen nothing from this engine where developers ahve wanted to create big open worlds with no loading times.

    It's a killer for me because I want a online world and not a but of levels and as soon as I hit a loading time to enter a building or to load up a new zone I just quit the game because thats then not a mmorpg.

  • Fed1Fed1 Member Posts: 167

    "Choose a heavily instanced style of game, or a seamless world, or some mixture in between, HeroEngine is designed to handle it all!"

     

     

    http://www.heroengine.com/serversys.asp

     

  • Foxman13Foxman13 Member Posts: 22
    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Foxman13

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou


    The problem with that engine is it's built to be instanced and not to be one big seemless world so you just know that if they are making KOTOR Online then it'll be something more like Guild Wars where you meet in towns or AOC where you hit a loading screen every 10 steps. You just know that this is being developed for console aswel so that means it'll be dumbed down and further backs up the claim of lots of instancing.
    So it kills my hype for the game, specially seeing how shit Lucas Arts have gone over the years and how Bioware games have gone down hill with the mediocre Mass Effect and Jade Empire.

     

    Actually, this engine supports everything from completely instanced to full wide-open, seamless world. It is up to the developer on how they wish to implement their game world.



    All Bioware are going to do is make it all zoned or instanced so they can make eacha rea more detailed than if it was seemless and I've seen nothing from this engine where developers ahve wanted to create big open worlds with no loading times.

    It's a killer for me because I want a online world and not a but of levels and as soon as I hit a loading time to enter a building or to load up a new zone I just quit the game because thats then not a mmorpg.



     

    Well, now all you are doing is pessimistic speculation. Nobody knows how Bioware will implement their game world.

    Go to this link: heroengine.com/serversys.asp

    Read the second paragraph under Area Systems.

  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426
    Originally posted by Foxman13

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Foxman13

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou


    The problem with that engine is it's built to be instanced and not to be one big seemless world so you just know that if they are making KOTOR Online then it'll be something more like Guild Wars where you meet in towns or AOC where you hit a loading screen every 10 steps. You just know that this is being developed for console aswel so that means it'll be dumbed down and further backs up the claim of lots of instancing.
    So it kills my hype for the game, specially seeing how shit Lucas Arts have gone over the years and how Bioware games have gone down hill with the mediocre Mass Effect and Jade Empire.

     

    Actually, this engine supports everything from completely instanced to full wide-open, seamless world. It is up to the developer on how they wish to implement their game world.



    All Bioware are going to do is make it all zoned or instanced so they can make eacha rea more detailed than if it was seemless and I've seen nothing from this engine where developers ahve wanted to create big open worlds with no loading times.

    It's a killer for me because I want a online world and not a but of levels and as soon as I hit a loading time to enter a building or to load up a new zone I just quit the game because thats then not a mmorpg.



     

    Well, now all you are doing is pessimistic speculation. Nobody knows how Bioware will implement their game world.

    Go to this link: heroengine.com/serversys.asp

    Read the second paragraph under Area Systems.

     

    To be fair, Jason, all we HAVE is speculation at this point, on every aspect of the game(s) Bioware is producing.  HeroEngine does appear to be very scalable, although it sounds like you already know.  If so, just a couple of questions on it:

     

    - If it can truly be a seamless world, are you given total flexibility on load balancing across multiple hardware platforms?

    - How easy is the 3D engine to work with in terms of supplying your own skeletal structures and/or textures/models?  Is there something built-in or are assets expected to be completely designed outside Hero?

    - How fast does the networking engine seem compared to other established MMOs?  I guess I'm thinking SWG specifically right now - minor goofiness in the way packets are handled/transmitted/received, worked ok for pre-CU but trashes the current ground game.  And do you have any control over it?

     

    Thanks!

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  • Foxman13Foxman13 Member Posts: 22

    I agree on the speculation point.

    While I  can't answer any specific questions. I can say that the HeroEngine was designed from the ground-up to be a MMORPG platform. Of all the benefits it provides, the quality of it is the best one. I truly believe, since Simutronics set out creating the platform for their own game, they care about the platform tremendously, so that alone sets HeroEngine apart from its competitors.

  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426

    Too marketing-y.  Quality is such a broad term...  But thanks for responding.   I wasn't aware there were any real competitors, figured there were other single-/multi-player engines that were adapted for MMOs but no direct competition.

    There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum

  • TzimiscechiTzimiscechi Member Posts: 230

     

  • the_lizardthe_lizard Member Posts: 120
    Originally posted by Fed1


    "Choose a heavily instanced style of game, or a seamless world, or some mixture in between, HeroEngine is designed to handle it all!"
     
     
    http://www.heroengine.com/serversys.asp
     

     

    Not only that, but it does it damn fast. If they decided to do a seamless world it would be far bigger that what swg has now.

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