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Unmovable seige weapons??

You've got to be kidding me.

DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.

How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?

There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

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  • SoludeSolude Member UncommonPosts: 691

    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.

  • AzrileAzrile Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

  • Zayne3145Zayne3145 Member Posts: 1,448

    NDA = No Dynamic Artillery? 

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  • MitnalMitnal Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)

  • Lonesamurai1Lonesamurai1 Member Posts: 1,210
    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    imageimage

  • PapaLazarouPapaLazarou Member Posts: 502
    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

  • MitnalMitnal Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

     

    pretty sure they are if they dont push it back now from the release date

  • verndvernd Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

    ahahahahahaha good one man, no really

    actually if you're uber-casual guy that never touches new content until it has been out for a couple months I could see you actually believing what you posted.

  • polygon22polygon22 Member Posts: 14
    Originally posted by vernd

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

    ahahahahahaha good one man, no really

    actually if you're uber-casual guy that never touches new content until it has been out for a couple months I could see you actually believing what you posted.

     

    U do relaise wotlk is releasing in december, and blizzard sont hide behind an NDA.  You can call wows siege wepaons crap, then you may as well call daoc siege and pvp crap because sige wepaons are dynamic in wow.  So lets see now the praised best rvrpvp game on this site is now crap?  Bloody hypocrites on this site, now that war has been played and tested by thousands of peopel and the revies especially on warhammer alliance arnt good, the fanbois try to twist it like they did with Aoc.  Fact is war so called pvp game, si nothing compared to Daoc made over 6 years ago, and war is supposed to be a next gen improvment on Daoc?  LOL go play Daco and then u will se waht sieging and pvp actually is, and not some so called overhyped game like war.  Funny thing is Blizzard are actually implemnting the sige properly.  Its funny how these so called mmo companies like Failcom and mythic with years and years of exp in the mmo market hype and dont even improve on their older games, yet a company like Blizzard new to the mmo market is going to destoy both of them, with Failcom already dead in the water, and Warhammer found to be the overhyped crap it is.

     

    Daoc sige and PVP is far more advanced at this stage than anything war has to offer.  Dont belive go play it and see.

  • RaztorRaztor Member Posts: 670
    Originally posted by vernd

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

    ahahahahahaha good one man, no really

    actually if you're uber-casual guy that never touches new content until it has been out for a couple months I could see you actually believing what you posted.

     

    You were indeed right for things such as BWL door not opening and C'thun summoning the arms inside walls, which affected 0.001% of their player base. Which is why they now do full raid testing before they release them, which means the very best raiding teams can kill them quite fast, but for the vast vast majority it means very finely tunned and balanced raids bosses.

     

    Blizzard is pretty much the only company that doesn't bother with NDA's as people trust them and know they always deliver excellent games. Why would game companies have NDA's up until 1 or 2 week before release anyway unless they don't trust their product?

  • chrislekochrisleko Member Posts: 200

    I don't really see how you can call Blizzard New to the MMO market.  They have funding which outclasses all other companies (based off their sheer amount of subs).  Also your post makes little to no sense.  Please, type coherent sentences.

    I also fail to see where people aren't talking about how good WAR is.  I think many of the people's posts you see are the "haters" who disliked the preview weekend, because the people who are playing it, enjoy it.  As far as the preview weekend went, it was pretty successful.

    Using an NDA isn't "hiding" by the way, it's a legal manuver to keep people from stealing your IP before it's patented.

  • polygon22polygon22 Member Posts: 14
    Originally posted by chrisleko


    I don't really see how you can call Blizzard New to the MMO market.  They have funding which outclasses all other companies (based off their sheer amount of subs).  Also your post makes little to no sense.  Please, type coherent sentences.
    I also fail to see where people aren't talking about how good WAR is.  I think many of the people's posts you see are the "haters" who disliked the preview weekend, because the people who are playing it, enjoy it.  As far as the preview weekend went, it was pretty successful.
    Using an NDA isn't "hiding" by the way, it's a legal manuver to keep people from stealing your IP before it's patented.

     

    Yes blizzard are new to the mmo market compared to mythic and Failcom.  It dosnt matter how much money they had, they could have wiasted all the money if they didnt use it proper.  You think Blizzard sucess is somehow magic?  They probably spent years in R&D before they even decided to make wow.  Yes you can have money and hype a game up and waiste all your money liek Failcom did. 

    So everyone that has a negative view is now a hater?  No wounder the Aoc closed beta failed, maybe if they didnt listen to the fanbois all day it might have ben better.  Aoc preview was sucessful, and hey guess what it flopped big time.   There is so much you can hide around hype and spin.

  • memoirmemoir Member Posts: 142
    Originally posted by chrisleko


    ????
    Using an NDA isn't "hiding" by the way, it's a legal manuver to keep people from stealing your IP before it's patented.



     

    Nice one.

    So I guess Mythic is afraid that their keeps/capitol system is copied three weeks before launch?

    NDA means: we are hiding the bugs. Only nearest fans can see them.

    One of the reasons btw why most MMORPG's don't deliver anymore. Fan boys are playing instead of testing.

  • memoirmemoir Member Posts: 142
    Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    Come On : the siege eqpt in the keeps are all into fixed positions.

     

    One is just above the main gate everyone knocks on (chest like). You can find ALL info on the web.

    2 minutes later the door breaks open and you have the big mayhem on to the stairs.

    You kill the Boss and all NPC's disappear: Keep conquered. Next.

    No collapsable walls either. To see a collapse of walls: you'll have to visit the open world fortresses within WotLK Lake Wintergrasp (pity for the war fans).

    That's it : 5 keep copies in a row.

    BTW !!!!  it were exactly these "exciting keeps" that replaced 4 whole capitols in WAR.

    Talking of short cuts !!!!!!

  • polygon22polygon22 Member Posts: 14
    Originally posted by memoir

    Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    Come On : the siege eqpt in the keeps are all into fixed positions.

     

    One is just about the main gate everyone knocks on. You can find ALL into the web.

    2 minutes later the door breaks open and you have the big mayhem on to the stairs.

    You kill the Boss and all NPC's disappear: Keep conquered. Next.

    No collapsable walls either. To see a collapse of walls: you'll have to visit the open world fortresses within WotLK Lake Wintergrasp (pity for the war fans).

    That's it : 5 keep copies in a row.

    BTW !!!!  it were exactly these "exciting keeps" that replaced 4 whole capitols in WAR.

    Talking of short cuts !!!!!!

     

    Wtf no collapsable walls?  Are you seriuos?  Mythic really have taken a backward step from Daoc.  They knew they were in the shitter with the release so close, so they cut classes and have cut corners in the rvr side.  Anyone and i mean anyone that has played Daoc pvp  really cannot belive this is a step forward from Daoc or even a step forward from wows Lake wintergrasp.  This game is a step backward from Daoc, it just makes me wounder why everyone that hyped for war dosnt go play Daoc?  Becuase if anything that game should be hyped up, and not this sorry excuse for a sucessor to Daoc.

  • CereoCereo Member Posts: 551

    DAoC has been out for what, 6-7 years? And WoW's expansion isn't out yet but it has been talking about seige warfare since it was released in 2004.

    "You've got to be kidding me?" - No, I'm not kidding you. It's perfectly reasonable for it not to be added yet since there are probably lots of bugs and things to work out first, unless it says on the box that is has movable seige warfare, I don't see a problem. WoW came out 4 years ago and DAoC came out before that, I don't hear you saying this same thing about WoW for the last 4 years.

    And yes, to say Blizzard is "new" to the MMO market is technically correct but hardly an argument. They ran Battlenet for a very long time, they have a history of making some of the best selling games of all time, and they are hardly new to the GAMING market... in fact they are now the biggest gaming company in the world. Please, there's the door, take your misguided hate elsewhere.

    And I am not a fanboy of WAR and some people make good arguments why it has its problems, but this is NOT one of them.

  • MitnalMitnal Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by memoir

    Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    Come On : the siege eqpt in the keeps are all into fixed positions.

     

    One is just above the main gate everyone knocks on (chest like). You can find ALL info on the web.

    2 minutes later the door breaks open and you have the big mayhem on to the stairs.

    You kill the Boss and all NPC's disappear: Keep conquered. Next.

    No collapsable walls either. To see a collapse of walls: you'll have to visit the open world fortresses within WotLK Lake Wintergrasp (pity for the war fans).

    That's it : 5 keep copies in a row.

    BTW !!!!  it were exactly these "exciting keeps" that replaced 4 whole capitols in WAR.

    Talking of short cuts !!!!!!

     

    there's more to it in the tier 3 and tier 4 fella, moveable towers anyone???

  • memoirmemoir Member Posts: 142
    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by memoir

    Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    Come On : the siege eqpt in the keeps are all into fixed positions.

     

    One is just above the main gate everyone knocks on (chest like). You can find ALL info on the web.

    2 minutes later the door breaks open and you have the big mayhem on to the stairs.

    You kill the Boss and all NPC's disappear: Keep conquered. Next.

    No collapsable walls either. To see a collapse of walls: you'll have to visit the open world fortresses within WotLK Lake Wintergrasp (pity for the war fans).

    That's it : 5 keep copies in a row.

    BTW !!!!  it were exactly these "exciting keeps" that replaced 4 whole capitols in WAR.

    Talking of short cuts !!!!!!

     

    there's more to it in the tier 3 and tier 4 fella, moveable towers anyone???

    This IS tier 3 and 4. Talking of the keeps here.

     

  • MitnalMitnal Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by memoir

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by memoir

    Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

    Originally posted by Azrile

    Originally posted by Solude


    Siege weapons are in the part of the game still under NDA.  Can't discuss it.



     

    ah..  Ok..  I didn't realize Funcom hadn't released that yet :)  oh wait, this is Mythic.

     

    Trust me on this...  as I'm under theNDA and can;t say much...  but its only polishing and for the surprise, and its fun!

    Come On : the siege eqpt in the keeps are all into fixed positions.

     

    One is just above the main gate everyone knocks on (chest like). You can find ALL info on the web.

    2 minutes later the door breaks open and you have the big mayhem on to the stairs.

    You kill the Boss and all NPC's disappear: Keep conquered. Next.

    No collapsable walls either. To see a collapse of walls: you'll have to visit the open world fortresses within WotLK Lake Wintergrasp (pity for the war fans).

    That's it : 5 keep copies in a row.

    BTW !!!!  it were exactly these "exciting keeps" that replaced 4 whole capitols in WAR.

    Talking of short cuts !!!!!!

     

    there's more to it in the tier 3 and tier 4 fella, moveable towers anyone???

    This IS tier 3 and 4. Talking of the keeps here.

     

     

    pretty sure it isnt, actually im positive

  • verndvernd Member Posts: 600
    Originally posted by Raztor

    Originally posted by vernd

    Originally posted by PapaLazarou

    Originally posted by Mitnal

    Originally posted by Azrile


    You've got to be kidding me.
    DAoC had them...  WOW has them in Lake Wintergrasp.... yet the big RvR/Seiging game doesn't have them.
    How could Mythic actually move backwards when compared to DAoC?
    There are just so many limitations in combat in Warhammer...    winning is going to be all about the zergfest.  No strategy at all.

     

    LOL??? at the wow post, a little birdie said to me that the siege weps in wow are obesely boring and stupid, oh and wait bugged!!!! how can blizz do this!!! they are another failcom!!!!!

     

    that and you get banned in lake for pvping GG BLIZZZZZ

     

    (im the little birdie because of the certain BEt@)



     

    Yeh and Blizzard arn't releasing the expansion in its current state, there are tons of bugs and graphical glitches but as we've seen in the past Blizzard never released a broken product.

    ahahahahahaha good one man, no really

    actually if you're uber-casual guy that never touches new content until it has been out for a couple months I could see you actually believing what you posted.

     

    You were indeed right for things such as BWL door not opening and C'thun summoning the arms inside walls, which affected 0.001% of their player base. Which is why they now do full raid testing before they release them, which means the very best raiding teams can kill them quite fast, but for the vast vast majority it means very finely tunned and balanced raids bosses.

     

    Blizzard is pretty much the only company that doesn't bother with NDA's as people trust them and know they always deliver excellent games. Why would game companies have NDA's up until 1 or 2 week before release anyway unless they don't trust their product?

    Bullshit man, they don't bother with NDA because they have a billion players that want to hear about it and there's hundreds of websites out there that post database information. It's impossible for them to maintain an NDA unless testing is kept completely internal.

  • CereoCereo Member Posts: 551
    Originally posted by polygon22

    Originally posted by chrisleko


    I don't really see how you can call Blizzard New to the MMO market.  They have funding which outclasses all other companies (based off their sheer amount of subs).  Also your post makes little to no sense.  Please, type coherent sentences.
    I also fail to see where people aren't talking about how good WAR is.  I think many of the people's posts you see are the "haters" who disliked the preview weekend, because the people who are playing it, enjoy it.  As far as the preview weekend went, it was pretty successful.
    Using an NDA isn't "hiding" by the way, it's a legal manuver to keep people from stealing your IP before it's patented.

     

    Yes blizzard are new to the mmo market compared to mythic and Failcom.  It dosnt matter how much money they had, they could have wiasted all the money if they didnt use it proper.  You think Blizzard sucess is somehow magic?  They probably spent years in R&D before they even decided to make wow.  Yes you can have money and hype a game up and waiste all your money liek Failcom did. 

    So everyone that has a negative view is now a hater?  No wounder the Aoc closed beta failed, maybe if they didnt listen to the fanbois all day it might have ben better.  Aoc preview was sucessful, and hey guess what it flopped big time.   There is so much you can hide around hype and spin.

    It's funny, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph, nicely done. You say it doens't matter how much money you have and then right after says they probably spent years in R&D (aka TONS of money), classic!

    Yeah they did spend years in R&D probably and it took them almost 7 years to make the game. Only a very limited few companies can support that kind of money and time frame. Starcraft is still selling better than some of the games on the market, most companies don't have that luxury.

     

    You're not a hater because you have a negative view, that's fine. You're a hater because your view has no logic, facts, or a fair assessment.  Its all "blah blah ... failcom!!! .... blah blah ... WoW!! ... blah". Now if you said the game has some bugs, people are CTDing, or its just not fun to you, then that's fair arguments. To say it doesn't have something in the game that YOU think should be there and back that up with why it will fail because Funcom did (in your mind it did... to them they sold 1.2 million copies and still has plenty of people playing it), then you are just a hater.

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