What's with all the clickers in the videos?

richmix · August 2008

No, really. I'm curious. I fully expect to see a clicker here and there, but I don't think I've seen a single video where the player wasn't clicking. What gives?

minutemaid · August 2008

I noticed that too.

But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

richmix · August 2008

Originally posted by minutemaid

I noticed that too.
But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

I can assign 20 abilities to keys that can be accessed coneniently no problem. This is with a standard keyboard

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, alt+1, alt+2, alt+3, alt+4, alt+5, alt+6, ctrl+1, ctrl+2, ctrl+3, ctrl+4, Q, E, alt+Q, alt+E, shift+W, shift+S, mouse3, shift+mouse3 (middle mouse), alt+mouse3, ctrl+mouse3... I could go on. And that's with a standard keyboard.

s0ull · August 2008

I think once people get more time with their classes the action will speed up and the need to use hotkeys will too.

minutemaid · August 2008

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by minutemaid

I noticed that too.
But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

I can assign 20 abilities to keys that can be accessed coneniently no problem. This is with a standard keyboard

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, alt+1, alt+2, alt+3, alt+4, alt+5, alt+6, ctrl+1, ctrl+2, ctrl+3, ctrl+4, Q, E, alt+Q, alt+E, shift+W, shift+S, mouse3, shift+mouse3 (middle mouse), alt+mouse3, ctrl+mouse3... I could go on. And that's with a standard keyboard.

i think the problem with that is remembering which skills are assigned where lol

richmix · August 2008

Originally posted by minutemaid

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by minutemaid

I noticed that too.
But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

I can assign 20 abilities to keys that can be accessed coneniently no problem. This is with a standard keyboard

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, alt+1, alt+2, alt+3, alt+4, alt+5, alt+6, ctrl+1, ctrl+2, ctrl+3, ctrl+4, Q, E, alt+Q, alt+E, shift+W, shift+S, mouse3, shift+mouse3 (middle mouse), alt+mouse3, ctrl+mouse3... I could go on. And that's with a standard keyboard.

i think the problem with that is remembering which skills are assigned where lol

Eh, maybe, but when you're using them regularly enough to put them on a hotbar, you learn quick!

SteamRanger · August 2008

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it. There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

Silverthorn8 · August 2008

You will be able to use macro's and I daresay the mod community will make some tasty addons for us.

Geif grid for healers:)

Vindicoth · August 2008

Mythics stance on macros: 1 Key Press, 1 Action.

TheMaelstrom · August 2008

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it? There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

Defensive much? Relax, man. There's nothing wrong with him asking his question.

I've also noticed that in nearly all of the gameplay videos I've watched people are clicking rather than button-mashing. It seemed odd to me as well, but I didn't bother asking in the forum.

The OP never said anything about anyone's method being "right" or anyone else's method being "wrong".

Vindicoth · August 2008

Ahh forgot to post something on topic. Anywyas I'll give my input.

I am a key pusher, I don't click. Only for targetting.

When I was playing some of the Template level 31 characters, I would click only because I had to hover over the ability to see what it did, and I figured I might as well click since I was already hovering to see the tooltip.

That's why I think you are seeing a lot of clickers.

JonnyBigBoss · August 2008

Originally posted by minutemaid

I noticed that too.
But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

You sound like a clicker. I'm in beta and EVERYTHING is macrod.

1-6, S1-6, CTRL1-4, S+F, S+G, S+Z, S+X, S+C, S+V, F, G, Z, X, C, V, etc.

I laugh at clickers. They have no idea how to learn something optimally.

SteamRanger · August 2008

Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it? There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

Defensive much? Relax, man. There's nothing wrong with him asking his question.

I've also noticed that in nearly all of the gameplay videos I've watched people are clicking rather than button-mashing. It seemed odd to me as well, but I didn't bother asking in the forum.

The OP never said anything about anyone's method being "right" or anyone else's method being "wrong".

And I'll ask again, why does it matter? The question itself implies that there's something wrong with it. Defensive? Maybe, but it gets tiresome seeing all the armchair experts coming on to forums poo-pooing the way others play and trying to convince them that that way is something short of their "leetness". There's nothing wrong with clicking buttons on the taskbar. If there were, then why have it there in the first place?

Added: For evidence of my point, take a gander at the post above this one.

Shadow786 · August 2008

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it? There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

It does actually, hardcore raiding in world warcraft especially as a healer, you need to be quick. I played a priest and i had Flash Heal, Greater Heal, Renew and Heal. They were all hotkeyed as well as different ranks because :

A) 5 Second Rule - Finish casting a spell your mana regen takes a huge hit and takes 5 seconds to return back to normal you want to stay out the FSR as long as possible without hindering your healing on your target.

Different Ranks - Why waste 800 mana on a flash heal when a Greater Heal a lower rank costing say 600 mana can heal the same amount, which you should be casting and stopping so you dont overheal and get into the FSR

If you had all these on your hot bar id like to see you quickly try and shield, renew (relevent rank as max rank renew costs 700 IIRC and they also stack with other priests) a Main tank at the same maintaining a Stop and start go with a Greater Heal

//\//\oo · August 2008

What concerns me is if the game's PvP is so slow paced that clickers can stand a chance, although some of the more mindless classes in WoW, AoC and EQ2 could get away with it pretty easily (warlock, ToS and fury respectively).

SteamRanger · August 2008

Originally posted by Shadow786

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it? There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

It does actually, hardcore raiding in world warcraft especially as a healer, you need to be quick. I played a priest and i had Flash Heal, Greater Heal, Renew and Heal. They were all hotkeyed as well as different ranks because :

A) 5 Second Rule - Finish casting a spell your mana regen takes a huge hit and takes 5 seconds to return back to normal you want to stay out the FSR as long as possible without hindering your healing on your target.

Different Ranks - Why waste 800 mana on a flash heal when a Greater Heal a lower rank costing say 600 mana can heal the same amount, which you should be casting and stopping so you dont overheal and get into the FSR

If you had all these on your hot bar id like to see you quickly try and shield, renew (relevent rank as max rank renew costs 700 IIRC and they also stack with other priests) a Main tank at the same maintaining a Stop and start go with a Greater Heal

Great. How does all your expertise apply to Warhammer: Age of Reckoning? Have you even played the game yet?

Techleo · August 2008

Wasn't much reason to Macro for a White Lion or a Sword Master. I did have target pet and heal pet bound to 1 and 2 though. I mean tracking down a pet with a mouse is a pain in the arse. I had my combat skills simplified enough on the taskbar that I didn't need them bound. Stances, Initial strike, parry, strike. Thats how I use my attacks. Debuffs and buffs on the end.

Something to remember if your a clicker is, when a skill which takes 2 or 3 seconds to fire is down to one second, fire off two instant skills. They smash into 1 attack. Which lets them all recharge at one time

I cant tell you have many battles I watched as people clicked off one attack as a time and waited for there skill to pop up saying there ready. The skills can be fire BEFORE that. You just need perfect timing

//\//\oo · August 2008

Originally posted by Techleo

Wasn't much reason to Macro for a White Lion or a Sword Master. I did have target pet and heal pet bound to 1 and 2 though. I mean tracking down a pet with a mouse is a pain in the arse. I had my combat skills simplified enough on the taskbar that I didn't need them bound. Stances, Initial strike, parry, strike. Thats how I use my attacks. Debuffs and buffs on the end.
Something to remember if your a clicker is, when a skill which takes 2 or 3 seconds to fire is down to one second, fire off two instant skills. They smash into 1 attack. Which lets them all recharge at one time
I cant tell you have many battles I watched as people clicked off one attack as a time and waited for there skill to pop up saying there ready. The skills can be fire BEFORE that. You just need perfect timing

Wow, thanks for that tidbit. Reassuring to say the least

Lobotomist · August 2008

You guys dont really get it , do you ?

When I wrote about it few days ago , i got flamed....

Word is : GLOBAL COOLDOWN

After EVERY skill you use there is a period of 1.2 seconds all skills are grayed out. Now this is prety much standard in most of MMOs.

Problem is following - when you press next skill before global cooldown is over nothing happens - EXCEPT THE ANNOYING CLICK !

Now this would be ok in PVE situation , but when you are circle strafing that annoying player that is bashing your face - YOU KIND FIND IT KIND OF HARD TO LOOK AT TOOLBAR THE SAME TIME TO SEE IF SKILLS REFRESHED FROM COOLDOWN!

So you , them ... hell everyone - is just clicking , bashing that skill - in hope it will activate, cause looking at skill bar and evading enemy attacks is well ..waste of precious moments.

Now here comes bad GUI design.

Instead making that CLICKED skill that is greyed out due to cooldown , executes after. Mythic decided to instead reward you with message "Skill not ready yet"

Expect to see those babies million times , and hear click click click.

But not all is lost

Mythic LISTENS !

So let your demand be heared. And they will fix it...

Until than

Click , click , click

sanicek · August 2008

I share OPs curiosity, what is the crowd that gets into beta, I would expect... I don't know, more skill? Though I have seen a couple of great videos where the players weren't clicking (usually decimating outnumbering forces), majority is just minimal movement clickers. Once you get the feeling and skill in WoW, you have it in WAR, LOTRO, AOC, wherever...

//\//\oo · August 2008

Originally posted by Lobotomist

You guys dont really get it , do you ?

When I wrote about it few days ago , i got flamed....

Word is : GLOBAL COOLDOWN

After EVERY skill you use there is a period of 1.2 seconds all skills are grayed out. Now this is prety much standard in most of MMOs.
Problem is following - when you press next skill before global cooldown is over nothing happens - EXCEPT THE ANNOYING CLICK !
Now this would be ok in PVE situation , but when you are circle strafing that annoying player that is bashing your face - YOU KIND FIND IT KIND OF HARD TO LOOK AT TOOLBAR THE SAME TIME TO SEE IF SKILLS REFRESHED FROM COOLDOWN!
So you , them ... hell everyone - is just clicking , bashing that skill - in hope it will activate, cause looking at skill bar and evading enemy attacks is well ..waste of precious moments.

Now here comes bad GUI design.
Instead making that CLICKED skill that is greyed out due to cooldown , executes after. Mythic decided to instead reward you with message "Skill not ready yet"
Expect to see those babies million times , and hear click click click.

But not all is lost
Mythic LISTENS !
So let your demand be heared. And they will fix it...
Until than
Click , click , click

So it really is GLOBAL then? That's kind of lame, even in WoW they had a subset of the skills that did not trigger it. I don't know about the rest of you people, but I think that there is a little more room for interactivity than that.

Even if everything triggers it, I can still see how keybinding would be beneficial especially when there are more than 20 skills to click and you are moving during combat. You're entirely right about that clicking nose though it annoyed the hell out of me in the beta videos.

Thenarius · August 2008

Originally posted by minutemaid

I noticed that too.
But if you check out www.wardb.com and check out each career's Actions, tactics and moral abilities, you'll see that there's a HELLA LOT of skills to be used. And yeah, each one is useful, so there aren't any abilities which you can just leave in your skill book to be used later (as all the skills help in RvR).

Given that you've got to have at least 20 actions on your hotbars (not including moral abilities and tactics), i think you can't really avoid clicking. This isn't WoW where you've got, for example, a shadow priest, who just needs 4 skills on his hot bar (mind flay, mind blast, shield and manaburn) and so can keyboard press them with ease.

WAR brings on the tactical warfare!!!

Mind Blast, Mind Flay, SW:P, SW:D, Vampiric Touch, Mind Control, Psychic Scream, PW:S, Silence(&Focus Silence), Vampiric Embrace, Inner Fire, Shadowfiend, Shadowform, ProM, Flash Heal, Renew, PvP Trinket, BM Trinket, IF DP Macro, Dispel, Mass Dispel. Maybe i forgot a few, but all these are binded on my keyboard and are needed if you wanna break 1700, especially as a Shadow Priest.

I'm not an WoW fanboy, I play UA+SP at ~1950, yes, I'm not ZOMG GLADIATOR PRO, I'm the average PvPer, but I can tell you need to know what to do vs that combo in higher ratings and adapt if RNG fucks you up, which, IMO, requies some brain cells.

Noggin · August 2008

I'm a clicker and this causes me one complaint about the UI.

The Tooltips on the action bar are on mouse over. I would really appreciate a Tooltip anchor for abilities, it exists for players / mobs and it just gets in my way.

Clickers unite!

zindel · August 2008

Originally posted by //\//\oo
What concerns me is if the game's PvP is so slow paced that clickers can stand a chance, although some of the more mindless classes in WoW, AoC and EQ2 could get away with it pretty easily (warlock, ToS and fury respectively).

Regardless of the games pace, why does it bother you if clickers stand a chance against you? Why do you assume that clickers are inferior to button mashing?

This is like the ridiculous arguments cross platform FPS have with KBM VS controllers. Yeah I'm sure just about everyone in here (including myself at one time) would argue how superior KBM is. Yet, I've witnessed some of the most hardcore FPS guys get wasted by controller users...it all comes down to what you used to and what is comfortable.

Anyways, back to clickers vs button mashers, You'd be very surprised just how quickly a clicker can get execute abilities if they're used to it (especially if they are twitchy FPS players). I'm from the old school of UO when we used to have 40+ casting icons stacked at the bottom of your screen and there were no hotkeys and have got to the point where I don't need to take my eyes off the action to look at the hotbar, the same way button mashers don't need to look at the keyboard to see what where alt-4 or ctrl-6 are.

I personally use a combination of both, just because I can, and would rather click on less used skills than have to tweak my fingers for button combinations.

TheMaelstrom · August 2008

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Why does this matter to you? If you want to memorize and use hotkeys, no one's stopping you or even asking why you do it? There are a lot of different kinds of people with different playstyles and different goals. You just do your thing and let others do as well. There is no "right" way to play a game.

Defensive much? Relax, man. There's nothing wrong with him asking his question.

I've also noticed that in nearly all of the gameplay videos I've watched people are clicking rather than button-mashing. It seemed odd to me as well, but I didn't bother asking in the forum.

The OP never said anything about anyone's method being "right" or anyone else's method being "wrong".

And I'll ask again, why does it matter? The question itself implies that there's something wrong with it. Defensive? Maybe, but it gets tiresome seeing all the armchair experts coming on to forums poo-pooing the way others play and trying to convince them that that way is something short of their "leetness". There's nothing wrong with clicking buttons on the taskbar. If there were, then why have it there in the first place?

Added: For evidence of my point, take a gander at the post above this one.

I don't think the question itself implies there's anything wrong with clicking. Perhaps he hasn't had the chance to play in the beta or the preview weekend, and he was wondering if hot-keys were somehow not as viable as clicking in WAR for one reason or another.

Regardless, people who jump to conclusions about the intent of a question need to just not respond at all. If you think the OP is being insincere, than don't feed the troll, right? If he IS being sincere, then let someone who won't automatically ASSUME he's trolling answer him. No harm done to anyone there.

To get back on topic:

To the OP:

I find it easier to hotkey most of my PvE skills on one bar, and my PvP ones on another. In most PvE fights it won't do you much good to run around. You can stay stationary and press hotkeys to your heart's content.

In really crazy RvR fights where you're strafing like a mad-man and trying to kill other players, my coordination leaves something to be desired, so I often find myself clicking instead of button-pressing. As WAR is the first game that's really caught my interest with RvR, I will probably end up re-mapping a lot of keys to make strafing and still attacking w/ hotkeys easier for me.

In the end, to each their own.

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