Continuing to compare this game to the likes of Dark and Light , Wish, Auto Assault, Earth & Beyond, Face of Mankind, Fury, Horizons: Empire of Istaria, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Is off base, and is in need of some perspective.
All of those MMOs you have listed also had a bunch of "strong supporters" of the their own specific game that they felt was a great game and yet you classify these games as failures.
And yet you accept these MMOs as failures and these supporters of those games woud think differently.
So basically what you are saying, just because you "feel" that AoC isn't like Vanguard, it should not be classified in the above quoted games you have mentioned? Do you see any form of hypocrisy in that? Just because you see the game as a failure and another game as a success does not mean you are right. Sorry to tell you that.
AoC is mirroring Vanguard EXACTLY from how the company is handling bugs, performance issues, etc. If people do not like AoC then that isn't your problem. You need to get over it. If these types of posts bothers you then you need to just simply ignore these types of posts. If you feel that people are topic hijacking your thread, then report them.
You know people are responding to you like this because of the way you are handling yourself. Its like a popcorn eating drama for a lot of people. Don't give them the opportunity to point and laugh at you. Just ignore them because right now you are like honey to a hive of bees for them right now because you have put yourself in that situation.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Continuing to compare this game to the likes of Dark and Light , Wish, Auto Assault, Earth & Beyond, Face of Mankind, Fury, Horizons: Empire of Istaria, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Is off base, and is in need of some perspective.
All of those MMOs you have listed also had a bunch of "strong supporters" of the their own specific game that they felt was a great game and yet you classify these games as failures.
And yet you accept these MMOs as failures and these supporters of those games woud think differently.
So basically what you are saying, just because you "feel" that AoC isn't like Vanguard, it should not be classified in the above quoted games you have mentioned? Do you see any form of hypocrisy in that? Just because you see the game as a failure and another game as a success does not mean you are right. Sorry to tell you that.
AoC is mirroring Vanguard EXACTLY from how the company is handling bugs, performance issues, etc. If people do not like AoC then that isn't your problem. You need to get over it. If these types of posts bothers you then you need to just simply ignore these types of posts. If you feel that people are topic hijacking your thread, then report them.
You know people are responding to you like this because of the way you are handling yourself. Its like a popcorn eating drama for a lot of people. Don't give them the opportunity to point and laugh at you. Just ignore them because right now you are like honey to a hive of bees for them right now because you have put yourself in that situation.
This is a BS justification, I'd buy it if you said the same thing to haters. However, we both know that's not the case. He's reacting this way, for the same reason others are reacting in the same manner. They can't handle a differing point of view, their opinions are absolute and bullet proof. It's this mentality that drags every discussion into the gutter.
He's said quite of few things that I agree with, I've seen him attacked for those opinions as a fanboi. I didn't see you coming to defend his right to express his opinion, or thrash people for being harsh under those circumstances.If people who dislike the game have a right to be jerks, those who enjoy the game or disagree should be allowed the same luxury.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
that message was the way he handles the haters, Malickiebloo (nice name btw)
He opens up with how other games sucks and then says how haters have no right to classify AoC in that list. That, in itself, is a contradiction of sorts.
The morale of the story is this:
Don't respond to haters the way Bloodworth does. They love that. Its like Bees to Honey. Other fans of this game handles themeselves much better.
Yeah, fight for the game you like...there is nothing wrong with that, but, don't stoop to their lvl to fight back. If you fight shit with shit you still come out smelling like shit (damn....thats a nice saying....Im sure I didnt make that up ...more like a subsconscious thing lol).
I love certain MMOs too. Hell everyone here does otherwise they would not be waisting their time posting here. But there is a difference between actling like an adult in a situation of disagreements and actling like a child.
As I said, if he posts something and someone attacks him by going off topic, don't fight back to that level...you just loose all credibility. Just report them. Topic Hijacking is a reportable offense. Ignore them and report them. It's that easy. If he were to do that, then he wouldnt have to listen to this all the time.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
that message was the way he handles the haters, Malickiebloo (nice name btw) He opens up with how other games sucks and then says how haters have no right to classify AoC in that list. That, in itself, is a contradiction of sorts. The morale of the story is this: Don't respond to haters the way Bloodworth does. They love that. Its like Bees to Honey. Other fans of this game handles themeselves much better. Yeah, fight for the game you like...there is nothing wrong with that, but, don't stoop to their lvl to fight back. If you fight shit with shit you still come out smelling like shit (damn....thats a nice saying....Im sure I didnt make that up ...more like a subsconscious thing lol). I love certain MMOs too. Hell everyone here does otherwise they would not be waisting their time posting here. But there is a difference between actling like an adult in a situation of disagreements and actling like a child. As I said, if he posts something and someone attacks him by going off topic, don't fight back to that level...you just loose all credibility. Just report them. Topic Hijacking is a reportable offense. Ignore them and report them. It's that easy. If he were to do that, then he wouldnt have to listen to this all the time.
That was the point of my first paragraph, all involved are the cause. I may have sounded a little harsh on you, but you do realize you were basically doing what you were saying not to do ? The guy obviously has the same problem those he has a problem with have. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
As for my name I know it sucks, was supposed to be my SWG name in full, however before hitting submit I didn't realize the 'D' was cut off. If you know a way to get it changed ....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Long: It's getting sad, as the hardcore fans are trying to hide the failure of this company with 6 week old news. Remember when they announced the pvp patch was coming out? Then it got pushed back, again and again. I suppose if they keep dangling that carrot eventually they will be correct. I'm guessing we are too demanding to have asked for fixes for months now, including duping. I'm thinking that if someone considers four months to be an unacceptable timeframe for gamebreaking fixes, they clearly don't live in reality. Either that or a paid shill. I can still remember all the paid for "Focus Groups" that nvidia had on the anandtech.com forums touting all that was nVidia and running a steady stream of lies against ATI. Then you get amazing community interface with a guy who says, "Ya, thats pretty much right." After the hardcore fan gives some vague idea of timelines for fixes. Short: The dangling carrot premise doesn't work when everyone can see the sad withered bit of orange pulp you are so proud of.
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their official timelines.
To illustrate why that's about as unprofessional as you can get... try this...
Next time your boss, or anyone you're professionally accountable to (as FC is accountable to their paying customers and their investors), asks you when a project or some other task you're working on is going to be complete... give them a date.. then miss it. Give them another date... then miss it. Then give up on giving dates and just start saying "I'll be done when it's done". Do this for 3 or 4 months.
Then get back to us and let us know just how "okay" they were with that. Let us know how much faith they have in anything you tell them at that point. Hell... let us know if they haven't already fired you for incompetence by then.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their estimates.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
Which leaves me with only one conclusion. There's something seriously wrong with either the PVP patch or another aspect related to it.They've announcd they have a fix for gems and duping. What issue is it that is holding this update back ? That's the communication I seek.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their estimates.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
Which leaves me with only one conclusion. There's something seriously wrong with either the PVP patch or another aspect related to it.They've announcd they have a fix for gems and duping. What issue is it that is holding this update back ? That's the communication I seek.
My personal hunch?
The game is a mess of spaghetti-like code, riddled with band-aids barely keeping it together (which might explain why each patch seems to break more than it fixes... the dependencies aren't well enough covered... if even well enough known).
Think of some of the glitches that have snuck in... One that comes to mind is when the tool-tips from Anarchy Online, talking about nanos, etc, would show up when you moused-over the stats in AoC. In months of developing and, presumably, spot-checking their own code, no one noticed that? I mean, shoot... I'm just a measley HTML/CSS coder, but even I spot-check my work to make sure what I'm coding is actually doing what I want it to.
I think they were in a rush to get the thing out the door (which they obviously ran short on time for, based on the amount of missing content)... and now they're dealing with the mess they left in their wake.
Again... my guess.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Mrbloodworth the game is in a very sad shape and not getting any better no matter what any of the Dev's say and when current or real numbers are put out to stock holders. Game Over
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Are baseless hate and baseless fanboyism equally ridiculous?
To be fair i think its time let the AoC section go for me, i must say it was funny while i didnt have anything else to do , there will always be people that will not understand why and how AoC is a sinking ship and if they are having fun with it and blindly believe this company is gonna turn it around with "its on TestLive" then good luck to them, after playing WAR for an hour or so on a friends account it made me gain hope again in this genre and maybe ill have a chance of playing a fresh MMO in a few days.
I picture this whole situation as we beating down this dead donkey he is laying on the ground and a couple of guys are still trying to ride it shouting "stop beating it, its gonna stand up, its gonna turn into a unicorn".
Ima stay in this section till either WAR releases or I see news that Funcom got bought out by SOE. Then, I will rejoice, because there is justice in the world against poorly managed businesses.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
Mrbloodworth the game is in a very sad shape and not getting any better no matter what any of the Dev's say and when current or real numbers are put out to stock holders. Game Over
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Your not going to convince these drama queens and these trolls, no matter how hard you try, they are going to find something to cry about. I for one agree with you. This is the way I look at it, I still subscribe to this game. I still actively play it. I see the changes taking place and the issues being fixed or that have been fixed.
All these people that are bashing and trashing and whining and crying a game that they aren't playing.
Imo the day they cancelled their account, is the same day that they no longer have any say about this game or the company anymore.
Why? because they cancelled their accounts and so therefore they have absolutely NO CLUE about the status of this game or the issues that have been or will be corrected. The only facts they go by are the facts that they feed each other.. and thats it.
Personally If I worked for Funcom I would restrict them from posting in these forums if they weren't a subscriber to the game, because they have no factual insight other than what they read from the forums.
Mrbloodworth the game is in a very sad shape and not getting any better no matter what any of the Dev's say and when current or real numbers are put out to stock holders. Game Over
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Your not going to convince these drama queens and these trolls, no matter how hard you try, they are going to find something to cry about. I for one agree with you. This is the way I look at it, I still subscribe to this game. I still actively play it. I see the changes taking place and the issues being fixed or that have been fixed.
All these people that are bashing and trashing and whining and crying a game that they aren't playing.
Imo the day they cancelled their account, is the same day that they no longer have any say about this game or the company anymore.
Why? because they cancelled their accounts and so therefore they have absolutely NO CLUE about the status of this game or the issues that have been or will be corrected. The only facts they go by are the facts that they feed each other.. and thats it.
Personally If I worked for Funcom I would restrict them from posting in these forums if they weren't a subscriber to the game, because they have no factual insight other than what they read from the forums.
Happily these forums are not owned by Failcom so their censorship cannot dictate what any of us write about their shit game.
The easy argument is this. What have you done for me in 4 months. There hasn't been a substantial patch yet. They break as many things as they fix, and their two big 'fixes', they took the easy way to fix the obvious problem, but broke an imbalanced a ton of other things ( female swing speed, gem stacking). The absolute only thing they do is keep talking about how great things will be in the future.
As far as the pvp patch.. it's just laughable. First, the game was built to be a pvp game, yet they still don't even have the details of the system fleshed out, let alone implmented. These are obviously devs without a lot of industry experience because the things they've been trying, have already been tried in other games. It's like the devs create a system, implement it on the test server, and it takes the players 5 mins to show you why it is going to be exploited, because it's exactly the same thing other games tried and changed. it shows they weren't even close to having a pvp system designed at launch, and their inexperienced devs are fumbling through months and months of reinventing a square wheel. Seriously, it would have taken a developer an hour to read the history of UO and to save funcom 4 months of wasted development of a pvp system that is doomed to fail. UO has solved the problem.. yet instead of learning from them, funcom is learning the same lesson for the past 4 months.
And again.. has the game gotten better or worse in 4 months? Why do you think Funcom will suddenlty get their act together in the next 4 months when they have a much smaller staff.
They can't handle a differing point of view, their opinions are absolute and bullet proof. It's this mentality that drags every discussion into the gutter.
Woh! Thats not true of me at all. I clearly stated what gets my goat.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
They can't handle a differing point of view, their opinions are absolute and bullet proof. It's this mentality that drags every discussion into the gutter.
Woh! Thats not true of me at all. I clearly stated what gets my goat.
The flip issue could be why do people like yourself go out of their way to distort the complete failings of a company like Funcom? If you are against people on a so called crusade to diminish the views of the company, why such efforts to protect them?
You admit to the games shortcomings, so why not leave it at that? Is it really neccesary to post six week old information as basis for Funcom communicating to the player base? You still never addressed my comments on the listing of DirectX 10 as a blatant lie. It's a complete misrepresentation of the game to advertise features they know will not be in the game. Then you can look at interviews saying that people that liked Tortage may not like the game afterwards. Whether or not they cause another misrepresentation of the game as a whole, that is not listed on the box. I couldn't say they lied, because they are more or less suggesting how the game will play out and it's an opinion if you enjoy that or not.
I don't think a company should be penalized based on if you enjoy the game or not, but they most definately be held accountable to clear promises of features. They lied about the features included in the game on release. That is a fact I will stand behind.
Why? because they cancelled their accounts and so therefore they have absolutely NO CLUE about the status of this game or the issues that have been or will be corrected. The only facts they go by are the facts that they feed each other.. and thats it. First: Wrong. There are people active in these forums who are still subbed and playing and reporting current information.
Second: All one has to do is read/hear/watch their interviews and what they promise is coming up to know what still *isn't* in the game. It's not exactly difficult to deduce that what was supposed to be in at launch still isn't when they're discussing them in the future tense.
So, for the specific issues that people have brought up time and again, no, you do not have to be subbed to the game. All you have to do is follow the news.. which certain members of these forums are only too gracious to provide. You seem to make the same assumption that FC makes... That no one's actually paying attention to what they say or do; an assumption which, of course, is wrong.
Personally If I worked for Funcom I would restrict them from posting in these forums if they weren't a subscriber to the game, because they have no factual insight other than what they read from the forums.
If you worked for Funcom you couldn't touch these forums. Their ban/lock/delete-happy mods have no jurisdiction here. But, that's a very revealing statement. You don't like what people have to say, so you want to silence them. Go go censorship.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Long: It's getting sad, as the hardcore fans are trying to hide the failure of this company with 6 week old news. Remember when they announced the pvp patch was coming out? Then it got pushed back, again and again. I suppose if they keep dangling that carrot eventually they will be correct. I'm guessing we are too demanding to have asked for fixes for months now, including duping. I'm thinking that if someone considers four months to be an unacceptable timeframe for gamebreaking fixes, they clearly don't live in reality. Either that or a paid shill. I can still remember all the paid for "Focus Groups" that nvidia had on the anandtech.com forums touting all that was nVidia and running a steady stream of lies against ATI. Then you get amazing community interface with a guy who says, "Ya, thats pretty much right." After the hardcore fan gives some vague idea of timelines for fixes. Short: The dangling carrot premise doesn't work when everyone can see the sad withered bit of orange pulp you are so proud of.
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Nope, they just count on the money from ones like you.
Ima stay in this section till either WAR releases or I see news that Funcom got bought out by SOE. Then, I will rejoice, because there is justice in the world against poorly managed businesses.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
There is no way SOE could make this crap suck any worse. When your already at the bottom you can only go up.
Ima stay in this section till either WAR releases or I see news that Funcom got bought out by SOE. Then, I will rejoice, because there is justice in the world against poorly managed businesses.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
There is no way SOE could make this crap suck any worse. When your already at the bottom you can only go up.
Failcom has my vote for worst developer ever.
Hey hey now, dont forget about Farlan and the D&L fiasco, Funcom is really second to their true incompetence.
AoC will fail, and soon the day comes when everyone (even the fanbois) will know this fact. You are free to give me a cookie with strawberries on top, the day you see that I was indeed correct.
Have a great day! And get real, before God makes you!
GRR ,lame SOE comments seem to make nonsense of nonsense once again.
So much talk of failure ,yet the developer at least tries to keep communication open to it's player base.The Flamers are a non factor,because they are here just to bitch,no matter what the developer could possibly say,they won't accept it.People should keep an open mind,instead of a stubborn biased attitude.
As far as failure goes,they are trying at least ,just as Vanguard did and IMO they will probably succeed.I look no further than the biggest rape game out there >>>WOW and compare time frames.
Let me start by saying ,there is a very old game out there that just completed an extensive graphic update.The game name slips me,i am sure many know of it,as it is a free to play game.I actually played it,but my memory does not serve me well right now.My point is that,if a game that has probably 1/20th the cash flow Blizzard does ,can upgrade there game,why the heck can't Blizzard?i mean they got the constant cash flowing in,and since so many think Blizzard is so great? where is the effort?I mean that shows no respect to there player base what so ever,it is more so a slap in the face.Here we will take your money and give you nothing,but wait no we will give you an expansion pack,that way we can rape you for more money ..lol.
This is the most embraced developer right now in the market,one that pushed an incomplete game into Christmas sales,one that does not upgrade there horrible models/graphics[more than enough years to do so ],yet people ridicule new efforts like Vanguard/AOC for being incomplete...RFLMAO.
If anyone has not noticed WOW's game mechanics/graphics/models are SO OUTDATED that it would take a bunch of bumbling idiots to mess up that game or create bugs.If this is the type of gaming we want,then lets go back to playing on the original nintendo or SEGA system.
AOC tries and may have failed in some areas,but they are not giving up and continue to try,can't ask for anything more.My point is that ALL the developers are screwing over there paying customers in one fashion or another,there is no ONE developer be it SOE/SIGIL/FUNCOM/BLIZZARD/Square ENIX,they are all SNEAKY and trying there best to rape us for as little as they can get away with.
Just choose a game that DOES meet your fancy and try to enjoy what they do offer,and hope it gets better,if not then move onto another game,or meet me in unrealtournament for some beatdown .
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
ehm Blizzard makes enjoyable games, Funcom does not.. thats the short version. And if you dont believe me, then 10 million people cant be wrong against +-150k playing AoC... the facts are hard to realise I know.. its hard!
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All of those MMOs you have listed also had a bunch of "strong supporters" of the their own specific game that they felt was a great game and yet you classify these games as failures.
And yet you accept these MMOs as failures and these supporters of those games woud think differently.
So basically what you are saying, just because you "feel" that AoC isn't like Vanguard, it should not be classified in the above quoted games you have mentioned? Do you see any form of hypocrisy in that? Just because you see the game as a failure and another game as a success does not mean you are right. Sorry to tell you that.
AoC is mirroring Vanguard EXACTLY from how the company is handling bugs, performance issues, etc. If people do not like AoC then that isn't your problem. You need to get over it. If these types of posts bothers you then you need to just simply ignore these types of posts. If you feel that people are topic hijacking your thread, then report them.
You know people are responding to you like this because of the way you are handling yourself. Its like a popcorn eating drama for a lot of people. Don't give them the opportunity to point and laugh at you. Just ignore them because right now you are like honey to a hive of bees for them right now because you have put yourself in that situation.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
All of those MMOs you have listed also had a bunch of "strong supporters" of the their own specific game that they felt was a great game and yet you classify these games as failures.
And yet you accept these MMOs as failures and these supporters of those games woud think differently.
So basically what you are saying, just because you "feel" that AoC isn't like Vanguard, it should not be classified in the above quoted games you have mentioned? Do you see any form of hypocrisy in that? Just because you see the game as a failure and another game as a success does not mean you are right. Sorry to tell you that.
AoC is mirroring Vanguard EXACTLY from how the company is handling bugs, performance issues, etc. If people do not like AoC then that isn't your problem. You need to get over it. If these types of posts bothers you then you need to just simply ignore these types of posts. If you feel that people are topic hijacking your thread, then report them.
You know people are responding to you like this because of the way you are handling yourself. Its like a popcorn eating drama for a lot of people. Don't give them the opportunity to point and laugh at you. Just ignore them because right now you are like honey to a hive of bees for them right now because you have put yourself in that situation.
This is a BS justification, I'd buy it if you said the same thing to haters. However, we both know that's not the case. He's reacting this way, for the same reason others are reacting in the same manner. They can't handle a differing point of view, their opinions are absolute and bullet proof. It's this mentality that drags every discussion into the gutter.
He's said quite of few things that I agree with, I've seen him attacked for those opinions as a fanboi. I didn't see you coming to defend his right to express his opinion, or thrash people for being harsh under those circumstances.If people who dislike the game have a right to be jerks, those who enjoy the game or disagree should be allowed the same luxury.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
that message was the way he handles the haters, Malickiebloo (nice name btw)
He opens up with how other games sucks and then says how haters have no right to classify AoC in that list. That, in itself, is a contradiction of sorts.
The morale of the story is this:
Don't respond to haters the way Bloodworth does. They love that. Its like Bees to Honey. Other fans of this game handles themeselves much better.
Yeah, fight for the game you like...there is nothing wrong with that, but, don't stoop to their lvl to fight back. If you fight shit with shit you still come out smelling like shit (damn....thats a nice saying....Im sure I didnt make that up ...more like a subsconscious thing lol).
I love certain MMOs too. Hell everyone here does otherwise they would not be waisting their time posting here. But there is a difference between actling like an adult in a situation of disagreements and actling like a child.
As I said, if he posts something and someone attacks him by going off topic, don't fight back to that level...you just loose all credibility. Just report them. Topic Hijacking is a reportable offense. Ignore them and report them. It's that easy. If he were to do that, then he wouldnt have to listen to this all the time.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That was the point of my first paragraph, all involved are the cause. I may have sounded a little harsh on you, but you do realize you were basically doing what you were saying not to do ? The guy obviously has the same problem those he has a problem with have. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
As for my name I know it sucks, was supposed to be my SWG name in full, however before hitting submit I didn't realize the 'D' was cut off. If you know a way to get it changed
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
lol i didnt think your name sucks. I thought it was awesome lol I didnt say that to mean I hated your name
More thoughtout than mine is lol.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I'd still change it if it was easy, not worth the effort though lol .I do think it rolls off the tongue nicley
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their official timelines.
To illustrate why that's about as unprofessional as you can get... try this...
Next time your boss, or anyone you're professionally accountable to (as FC is accountable to their paying customers and their investors), asks you when a project or some other task you're working on is going to be complete... give them a date.. then miss it. Give them another date... then miss it. Then give up on giving dates and just start saying "I'll be done when it's done". Do this for 3 or 4 months.
Then get back to us and let us know just how "okay" they were with that. Let us know how much faith they have in anything you tell them at that point. Hell... let us know if they haven't already fired you for incompetence by then.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their estimates.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
Which leaves me with only one conclusion. There's something seriously wrong with either the PVP patch or another aspect related to it.They've announcd they have a fix for gems and duping. What issue is it that is holding this update back ? That's the communication I seek.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Your sarcasm isn't warranted.
The PvP "patch" was supposed to be a *feature* included at launch... A launch they had, what.. 5 years to develop and prepare for?
It wasn't in at launch.
They have subsequently said it would be "patched in"... and have missed those dates as well.
4 months since launch, and it still isn't in.
It's to the point they've given up on trying to give deadlines, since they obviously can't meet them, and are now relying on vague terms like "soon" and "in the foreseeable future" as their estimates.
So seriously... give it up with the "oh you people want them to rush it" thing. They lost any right to that claim months ago.
Which leaves me with only one conclusion. There's something seriously wrong with either the PVP patch or another aspect related to it.They've announcd they have a fix for gems and duping. What issue is it that is holding this update back ? That's the communication I seek.
My personal hunch?
The game is a mess of spaghetti-like code, riddled with band-aids barely keeping it together (which might explain why each patch seems to break more than it fixes... the dependencies aren't well enough covered... if even well enough known).
Think of some of the glitches that have snuck in... One that comes to mind is when the tool-tips from Anarchy Online, talking about nanos, etc, would show up when you moused-over the stats in AoC. In months of developing and, presumably, spot-checking their own code, no one noticed that? I mean, shoot... I'm just a measley HTML/CSS coder, but even I spot-check my work to make sure what I'm coding is actually doing what I want it to.
I think they were in a rush to get the thing out the door (which they obviously ran short on time for, based on the amount of missing content)... and now they're dealing with the mess they left in their wake.
Again... my guess.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Are baseless hate and baseless fanboyism equally ridiculous?
Fungerer som det skal
To be fair i think its time let the AoC section go for me, i must say it was funny while i didnt have anything else to do , there will always be people that will not understand why and how AoC is a sinking ship and if they are having fun with it and blindly believe this company is gonna turn it around with "its on TestLive" then good luck to them, after playing WAR for an hour or so on a friends account it made me gain hope again in this genre and maybe ill have a chance of playing a fresh MMO in a few days.
I picture this whole situation as we beating down this dead donkey he is laying on the ground and a couple of guys are still trying to ride it shouting "stop beating it, its gonna stand up, its gonna turn into a unicorn".
Ima stay in this section till either WAR releases or I see news that Funcom got bought out by SOE.
Then, I will rejoice, because there is justice in the world against poorly managed businesses.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Your not going to convince these drama queens and these trolls, no matter how hard you try, they are going to find something to cry about. I for one agree with you. This is the way I look at it, I still subscribe to this game. I still actively play it. I see the changes taking place and the issues being fixed or that have been fixed.
All these people that are bashing and trashing and whining and crying a game that they aren't playing.
Imo the day they cancelled their account, is the same day that they no longer have any say about this game or the company anymore.
Why? because they cancelled their accounts and so therefore they have absolutely NO CLUE about the status of this game or the issues that have been or will be corrected. The only facts they go by are the facts that they feed each other.. and thats it.
Personally If I worked for Funcom I would restrict them from posting in these forums if they weren't a subscriber to the game, because they have no factual insight other than what they read from the forums.
Are you a stock holder? And if your ability to enjoy a game is based on the bandwagion, then 415k is your number. Byond that, its irrelevant to you as a player (until such a point that servers are empty, and they are not).
You’re also missing the point of the posting, they HAVE BEEN communicating, maybe not moment by moment like some seem to think they are entitled, but they have been. Twice in fact after live (atleast the lead guy, more on the forums), and even more if you participate on the testlive.
And before someone even says it, im not even subscribed. But this baseless hate is rediciouls. The game has flaws, but comparing it to true disasters, such as dark and light or wish, or true scams, such as Well, Dark and light and others...is a JOKE.
Funcom had a good launch, has been communicating, has a clear path for the game, and is taking time creating things that they adamantly missed getting into launch, such as DX10, that they put off to create the “miracle patch” for performance that went in shortly before live (in open beta).
No one can deny, it was the right choice.
Your not going to convince these drama queens and these trolls, no matter how hard you try, they are going to find something to cry about. I for one agree with you. This is the way I look at it, I still subscribe to this game. I still actively play it. I see the changes taking place and the issues being fixed or that have been fixed.
All these people that are bashing and trashing and whining and crying a game that they aren't playing.
Imo the day they cancelled their account, is the same day that they no longer have any say about this game or the company anymore.
Why? because they cancelled their accounts and so therefore they have absolutely NO CLUE about the status of this game or the issues that have been or will be corrected. The only facts they go by are the facts that they feed each other.. and thats it.
Personally If I worked for Funcom I would restrict them from posting in these forums if they weren't a subscriber to the game, because they have no factual insight other than what they read from the forums.
Happily these forums are not owned by Failcom so their censorship cannot dictate what any of us write about their shit game.
The easy argument is this. What have you done for me in 4 months. There hasn't been a substantial patch yet. They break as many things as they fix, and their two big 'fixes', they took the easy way to fix the obvious problem, but broke an imbalanced a ton of other things ( female swing speed, gem stacking). The absolute only thing they do is keep talking about how great things will be in the future.
As far as the pvp patch.. it's just laughable. First, the game was built to be a pvp game, yet they still don't even have the details of the system fleshed out, let alone implmented. These are obviously devs without a lot of industry experience because the things they've been trying, have already been tried in other games. It's like the devs create a system, implement it on the test server, and it takes the players 5 mins to show you why it is going to be exploited, because it's exactly the same thing other games tried and changed. it shows they weren't even close to having a pvp system designed at launch, and their inexperienced devs are fumbling through months and months of reinventing a square wheel. Seriously, it would have taken a developer an hour to read the history of UO and to save funcom 4 months of wasted development of a pvp system that is doomed to fail. UO has solved the problem.. yet instead of learning from them, funcom is learning the same lesson for the past 4 months.
And again.. has the game gotten better or worse in 4 months? Why do you think Funcom will suddenlty get their act together in the next 4 months when they have a much smaller staff.
Woh! Thats not true of me at all. I clearly stated what gets my goat.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Woh! Thats not true of me at all. I clearly stated what gets my goat.
The flip issue could be why do people like yourself go out of their way to distort the complete failings of a company like Funcom? If you are against people on a so called crusade to diminish the views of the company, why such efforts to protect them?
You admit to the games shortcomings, so why not leave it at that? Is it really neccesary to post six week old information as basis for Funcom communicating to the player base? You still never addressed my comments on the listing of DirectX 10 as a blatant lie. It's a complete misrepresentation of the game to advertise features they know will not be in the game. Then you can look at interviews saying that people that liked Tortage may not like the game afterwards. Whether or not they cause another misrepresentation of the game as a whole, that is not listed on the box. I couldn't say they lied, because they are more or less suggesting how the game will play out and it's an opinion if you enjoy that or not.
I don't think a company should be penalized based on if you enjoy the game or not, but they most definately be held accountable to clear promises of features. They lied about the features included in the game on release. That is a fact I will stand behind.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You are SOOOO Right they should have rushed out the PvP patch ASAP so it too could be exploited to your heart's content..
Thanks be to Crom the developers don't listen to short sighted idiots like you...
Nope, they just count on the money from ones like you.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
There is no way SOE could make this crap suck any worse. When your already at the bottom you can only go up.
Failcom has my vote for worst developer ever.
If they get bought out by SOE I will laugh, the game will hit new levels of suck
There is no way SOE could make this crap suck any worse. When your already at the bottom you can only go up.
Failcom has my vote for worst developer ever.
Hey hey now, dont forget about Farlan and the D&L fiasco, Funcom is really second to their true incompetence.
AoC will fail, and soon the day comes when everyone (even the fanbois) will know this fact. You are free to give me a cookie with strawberries on top, the day you see that I was indeed correct.
Have a great day! And get real, before God makes you!
GRR ,lame SOE comments seem to make nonsense of nonsense once again.
So much talk of failure ,yet the developer at least tries to keep communication open to it's player base.The Flamers are a non factor,because they are here just to bitch,no matter what the developer could possibly say,they won't accept it.People should keep an open mind,instead of a stubborn biased attitude.
As far as failure goes,they are trying at least ,just as Vanguard did and IMO they will probably succeed.I look no further than the biggest rape game out there >>>WOW and compare time frames.
Let me start by saying ,there is a very old game out there that just completed an extensive graphic update.The game name slips me,i am sure many know of it,as it is a free to play game.I actually played it,but my memory does not serve me well right now.My point is that,if a game that has probably 1/20th the cash flow Blizzard does ,can upgrade there game,why the heck can't Blizzard?i mean they got the constant cash flowing in,and since so many think Blizzard is so great? where is the effort?I mean that shows no respect to there player base what so ever,it is more so a slap in the face.Here we will take your money and give you nothing,but wait no we will give you an expansion pack,that way we can rape you for more money ..lol.
This is the most embraced developer right now in the market,one that pushed an incomplete game into Christmas sales,one that does not upgrade there horrible models/graphics[more than enough years to do so ],yet people ridicule new efforts like Vanguard/AOC for being incomplete...RFLMAO.
If anyone has not noticed WOW's game mechanics/graphics/models are SO OUTDATED that it would take a bunch of bumbling idiots to mess up that game or create bugs.If this is the type of gaming we want,then lets go back to playing on the original nintendo or SEGA system.
AOC tries and may have failed in some areas,but they are not giving up and continue to try,can't ask for anything more.My point is that ALL the developers are screwing over there paying customers in one fashion or another,there is no ONE developer be it SOE/SIGIL/FUNCOM/BLIZZARD/Square ENIX,they are all SNEAKY and trying there best to rape us for as little as they can get away with.
Just choose a game that DOES meet your fancy and try to enjoy what they do offer,and hope it gets better,if not then move onto another game,or meet me in unrealtournament for some beatdown
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Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
ehm Blizzard makes enjoyable games, Funcom does not.. thats the short version. And if you dont believe me, then 10 million people cant be wrong against +-150k playing AoC... the facts are hard to realise I know.. its hard!