if you join any corp (and I've been in 4) more players than not have at least 2 accounts, including myself.
It really depends on the area. 0.0 players are usually the die hard fans and have more than one account. The pvp crowd is, sadly, in the minority nowadays. The usual empire carebear usually quits after a few months and will never have more than his one account.
Originally posted by gatheris the subscription numbers are misleading though most players have more than one account - alot of them have more than that
i don't play anymore - the game took up way too much of my free time (well, all of it actually) and i thought of myself as a pretty casual player - but even i had at least three separate accounts (not including alts) and had as many as 5 at one time
Actually per CCP most players in EVE only have 1 account. There are a large number with 2 accounts and smaller numbers with 3+ accounts... much like just about any other mature MMORPG on the market. People are just a lot more open about having multiple accounts in EVE because it's not seen as a "bad" thing by other players in the game like it is in so many other MMORPG's.
Most holders of multiple accounts are the PVP crowd, either 0.0 based or pirates/mercs etc. CCP is very open about stats. Suggest people bother going and reading their blogs rather than just wagging wild guesses.
Originally posted by Kyleran My personal experience tells me different. Maybe if you count all the players who join for a trial (or are new ) and quit this is true, but if you join any corp (and I've been in 4) more players than not have at least 2 accounts, including myself.
As to joining 'any' corp... I've been in more than 4 and I will say that in highsec corps/alliances most folks typically only have 1... a large chunk of 0.0 folks, and mercs, have more than 1. I personally have 2... one was my wife's till she quit or I'd still probably only have 1
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most players have more than one account - alot of them have more than that
i don't play anymore - the game took up way too much of my free time (well, all of it actually) and i thought of myself as a pretty casual player - but even i had at least three separate accounts (not including alts) and had as many as 5 at one time
Actually per CCP most players in EVE only have 1 account. There are a large number with 2 accounts and smaller numbers with 3+ accounts... much like just about any other mature MMORPG on the market. People are just a lot more open about having multiple accounts in EVE because it's not seen as a "bad" thing by other players in the game like it is in so many other MMORPG's.
Most holders of multiple accounts are the PVP crowd, either 0.0 based or pirates/mercs etc. CCP is very open about stats. Suggest people bother going and reading their blogs rather than just wagging wild guesses.
As to joining 'any' corp... I've been in more than 4 and I will say that in highsec corps/alliances most folks typically only have 1... a large chunk of 0.0 folks, and mercs, have more than 1.
Perhaps some of us don't take what CCP says at face value?
I am going by my personal experience, and yes, most people in the corps I've belonged to have multiple accounts. I'm in a well organized empire based corp now and trust me.... more than 19% of our members have them... why? not sure.... just what I'm observing.
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Originally posted by Kyleran I'm in a well organized empire based corp now and trust me.... more than 19% of our members have them... why? not sure.... just what I'm observing.
Why: Because it's a "well organized" corp. You could translate "well organized" into "hard core" or "dedicated"... as we said. The more dedicated core players of EVE often have more than one account. The AVERAGE players do not. CCP has no reason to lie or fake numbers... if you choose not to believe publicly released information that's up to you. but you're basing your 'facts' on 1 person's experiences. Hell I did a poll a while back both here and on CCP's forums to find out the account layout of people dedicated enough to be posting on forums and even in THAT over 60% of the responses were that people only had 1 account.
Oh.. btw... CCP rarely includes trial accounts in any stats... when they do they caveat them as 'trial/temp accounts'. Even when they release subscription numbers they specifically break out the trial accounts as a separate figure.
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CCP claims are complete bull - 19% - that has got to be a joke
on top of my vast personal experience - the only players i ever dealt with that did not have more than one account were noobs and they were constantly encouraged to fix that lil' problem - CCP encourages the practice by offering a special subscription rate at least once a year specifically for players to create 2nd, 3rd and 4th and....accounts
just can't remember what the marketing program is called at the moment
CCP claims are complete bull - 19% - that has got to be a joke on top of my vast personal experience - the only players i ever dealt with that did not have more than one account were noobs and they were constantly encouraged to fix that lil' problem - CCP encourages the practice by offering a special subscription rate at least once a year specifically for players to create 2nd, 3rd and 4th and....accounts just can't remember what the marketing program is called at the moment
Right, so i presume you have some proof to back that "vast experience" up. Or are you just presenting your own opinions based on what you have encountered so far in EvE as the actual truth? Cos if that is the case id tell you to take "your vast experience" and shove it.
CCP claims are complete bull - 19% - that has got to be a joke on top of my vast personal experience - the only players i ever dealt with that did not have more than one account were noobs and they were constantly encouraged to fix that lil' problem - CCP encourages the practice by offering a special subscription rate at least once a year specifically for players to create 2nd, 3rd and 4th and....accounts just can't remember what the marketing program is called at the moment
The program is called 'The Power Of Two'.
And if your Vast Personall Experience just means the peopel you have met in Eve then id have to say your opinion isant worth much. Provide statistical data if you want to fight the data CCP has released as thats a lot more solid than your personal opinion.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I've been playing off and on for two years and I'd say from the folks I've run into it's been 50/50. But I haven't met even 1/16th of the population I bet so...
I don't see how it matters in reference to the OP though. Someone's having a second, third or fourth account is still a second, third or fourth target to shoot at which is better than one.
I said it above and I'll repeat it again, EVE-Online is the ONLY (non-free) MMO that is increasing in subs accepting World of Warcraft. 0 other MMO's can claim that, at least based on the numbers that are publically available.
the weird thing i noticed about eve while i was playing is that every time i logged in there was between 28-30k people on , every single time i logged in, it never seemed to go up or down much but stayed within that margin.
cute and predictable - i love it "vast personal experience" is always a button but, 2 years worth is pretty decent to get a feel for this sort of thing don't ya think?
Thing is that there are 2 things that make me disagree with you.
1. I only have your word for it that your opinions are fairly unbiased and you have played eve for 2 years.
2. I have played EvE from when it was just a few months old and Ive not even gotten to know more than a fraction of its population, so how would you who has played for just 2 years know what percentage of EvE's population has more than 1 account?
I myself feel that about 4/10 of the people I've gotten to know well enough in EvE have more than one account [mainly a hauling alt], tho i did know a industrial corp once with 12 active members in it and only one human running things [ ], now he achieved a lot in EvE. Back on topic tho I've probably not even got to know 1% of EvE's population yet.
Oh and most of those i 'know' are empire industrialists and mission runners.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
No doubt in the 2 years gatheris has played he has kept a running total of all the players who have and don't have multiple accounts.
Otherwise, no matter how long he has played all he has is an impression of how many do and don't. That impression may be colored by many things that have nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
So, nice try, but statistics > personal impressions every time.
i quit last month because of war...but the population at eve is definitely increasing..and the game itself is great. i would def take the time and do the trial
Originally posted by Xtromass ^ topic. Is the population slightly increasing, booming, slightly decreasing or failing?Just interested in this since I hear eve is 1 server only, and I am excited while downloading the demo
Originally posted by cosy Originally posted by Xtromass ^ topic. Is the population slightly increasing, booming, slightly decreasing or failing?Just interested in this since I hear eve is 1 server only, and I am excited while downloading the demo
Interesting site... I prefer www.mmorpgchart.com though. He covers a lot more titles and is generally one of the most accurate sources of data you can get for sub numbers... but it's still not perfect... and he can be a bit slow to update the site sometimes.
I haven't even bothered to look at numbers in ages... was shocked to find that EVE is now the 7th largest MMORPG... Pretty stunning... Also interesting is that of the 6 that have more subs only 2 of them are as old as/older than EVE... and it's the only one it's age (or older) that is still growing in subs rather than declining.
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Having 2+ accounts gives a false image regarding the number of persons playing the game, but that does not bring down the subscriptions.
For my self I have 3+ accounts, it's still only me, but I am generating a revenue for 3+ people, not one.
The only impact I can think of is that when I quit the game, subs will go down by 3, not just one. If that was an issue (players with a lot of accounts quiting) my guess is we would see big fluctuations in subscriber numbers.
Well, CCP doesn't seem very credible to me in regard to what information they publish about the state of their game, including subscriber numbers. They seem to contradict themselves a lot in interviews/statements.
However, the number of active accounts appears to be increasing in a way that I don't think can be just explained by individuals getting 2nd, 3rd or whatnot number of additional accounts. At any rate, even the most conservative guesser will agree that the game is at least not in decline at this time.
Well, CCP doesn't seem very credible to me in regard to what information they publish about the state of their game, including subscriber numbers. They seem to contradict themselves a lot in interviews/statements. However, the number of active accounts appears to be increasing in a way that I don't think can be just explained by individuals getting 2nd, 3rd or whatnot number of additional accounts. At any rate, even the most conservative guesser will agree that the game is at least not in decline at this time. (edited for mistype)
I have to admit id like to hear more about this as ive always found there numbers to be accurate.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Well, CCP doesn't seem very credible to me in regard to what information they publish about the state of their game, including subscriber numbers. They seem to contradict themselves a lot in interviews/statements.(edited for mistype)
I have to admit id like to hear more about this as ive always found there numbers to be accurate.
I don't have the habit of keeping notes on where or when I read, hear or see something, so I certainly can't link or name you any specific sources. This is just an impression that I got over time. And that is why I formulated the above as opinion, not as provable fact.
This is how I perceive it. Your mileage may naturally differ, of course.
Most of what people call 'carebear' accounts are alt accounts. Very little of Eve is 0.0 PvP but it's what is called 'main' accounts. Due to lag, blob and other game mechanics that are just plain broke, little goes on in the 0.0 sec parts of the game. Add to that huge costs related to T2 in fittings and related product, PvP in Eve is essential fighting only and nuisance combat with ships people can afford to lose. The original mantra. If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. People can't afford to lose it so they don't, or they do in situations where they can't possibly lose, ie: blobs.
Eve Pop? Unchanged much. People train dormant characters for 6 months to a year. Few leave the game. The 42K you see are scattered over a massive game world that takes hours and days to navigate and encountering 400 or 1% at any time is an insured lag locked screen. Pop is not really a usefull bit of information in Eve. Knowing the local system pops means more. What I am sure of is, there are too many people in Eve. The game can't handle them. Most of the content they have shelled out over the last while is pointless because people reduce their screen to slightly above DOS just to keep from being locked out of RT events.
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It really depends on the area. 0.0 players are usually the die hard fans and have more than one account. The pvp crowd is, sadly, in the minority nowadays. The usual empire carebear usually quits after a few months and will never have more than his one account.
Actually per CCP most players in EVE only have 1 account. There are a large number with 2 accounts and smaller numbers with 3+ accounts... much like just about any other mature MMORPG on the market. People are just a lot more open about having multiple accounts in EVE because it's not seen as a "bad" thing by other players in the game like it is in so many other MMORPG's.
Most holders of multiple accounts are the PVP crowd, either 0.0 based or pirates/mercs etc. CCP is very open about stats. Suggest people bother going and reading their blogs rather than just wagging wild guesses.
As to joining 'any' corp... I've been in more than 4 and I will say that in highsec corps/alliances most folks typically only have 1... a large chunk of 0.0 folks, and mercs, have more than 1. I personally have 2... one was my wife's till she quit or I'd still probably only have 1
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Actually per CCP most players in EVE only have 1 account. There are a large number with 2 accounts and smaller numbers with 3+ accounts... much like just about any other mature MMORPG on the market. People are just a lot more open about having multiple accounts in EVE because it's not seen as a "bad" thing by other players in the game like it is in so many other MMORPG's.
Most holders of multiple accounts are the PVP crowd, either 0.0 based or pirates/mercs etc. CCP is very open about stats. Suggest people bother going and reading their blogs rather than just wagging wild guesses.
As to joining 'any' corp... I've been in more than 4 and I will say that in highsec corps/alliances most folks typically only have 1... a large chunk of 0.0 folks, and mercs, have more than 1.
Perhaps some of us don't take what CCP says at face value?
I am going by my personal experience, and yes, most people in the corps I've belonged to have multiple accounts. I'm in a well organized empire based corp now and trust me.... more than 19% of our members have them... why? not sure.... just what I'm observing.
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Why: Because it's a "well organized" corp. You could translate "well organized" into "hard core" or "dedicated"... as we said. The more dedicated core players of EVE often have more than one account. The AVERAGE players do not. CCP has no reason to lie or fake numbers... if you choose not to believe publicly released information that's up to you. but you're basing your 'facts' on 1 person's experiences. Hell I did a poll a while back both here and on CCP's forums to find out the account layout of people dedicated enough to be posting on forums and even in THAT over 60% of the responses were that people only had 1 account.
Oh.. btw... CCP rarely includes trial accounts in any stats... when they do they caveat them as 'trial/temp accounts'. Even when they release subscription numbers they specifically break out the trial accounts as a separate figure.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
CCP claims are complete bull - 19% - that has got to be a joke
on top of my vast personal experience - the only players i ever dealt with that did not have more than one account were noobs and they were constantly encouraged to fix that lil' problem - CCP encourages the practice by offering a special subscription rate at least once a year specifically for players to create 2nd, 3rd and 4th and....accounts
just can't remember what the marketing program is called at the moment
Right, so i presume you have some proof to back that "vast experience" up. Or are you just presenting your own opinions based on what you have encountered so far in EvE as the actual truth? Cos if that is the case id tell you to take "your vast experience" and shove it.
The program is called 'The Power Of Two'.
And if your Vast Personall Experience just means the peopel you have met in Eve then id have to say your opinion isant worth much. Provide statistical data if you want to fight the data CCP has released as thats a lot more solid than your personal opinion.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
cute and predictable - i love it
"vast personal experience" is always a button
but, 2 years worth is pretty decent to get a feel for this sort of thing don't ya think?
I've been playing off and on for two years and I'd say from the folks I've run into it's been 50/50. But I haven't met even 1/16th of the population I bet so...
I don't see how it matters in reference to the OP though. Someone's having a second, third or fourth account is still a second, third or fourth target to shoot at which is better than one.
I said it above and I'll repeat it again, EVE-Online is the ONLY (non-free) MMO that is increasing in subs accepting World of Warcraft. 0 other MMO's can claim that, at least based on the numbers that are publically available.
the weird thing i noticed about eve while i was playing is that every time i logged in there was between 28-30k people on , every single time i logged in, it never seemed to go up or down much but stayed within that margin.
playing eq2 and two worlds
oh yeah - it is definitely a good game
too good in fact - it is why i have to stear clear of it - the only MMORPG i've played that i can't keep a lid on
Thing is that there are 2 things that make me disagree with you.
1. I only have your word for it that your opinions are fairly unbiased and you have played eve for 2 years.
2. I have played EvE from when it was just a few months old and Ive not even gotten to know more than a fraction of its population, so how would you who has played for just 2 years know what percentage of EvE's population has more than 1 account?
I myself feel that about 4/10 of the people I've gotten to know well enough in EvE have more than one account [mainly a hauling alt], tho i did know a industrial corp once with 12 active members in it and only one human running things [
], now he achieved a lot in EvE. Back on topic tho I've probably not even got to know 1% of EvE's population yet.
Oh and most of those i 'know' are empire industrialists and mission runners.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
No doubt in the 2 years gatheris has played he has kept a running total of all the players who have and don't have multiple accounts.
Otherwise, no matter how long he has played all he has is an impression of how many do and don't. That impression may be colored by many things that have nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
So, nice try, but statistics > personal impressions every time.
i quit last month because of war...but the population at eve is definitely increasing..and the game itself is great. i would def take the time and do the trial
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server population http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility
http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/10.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y
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game whit 1 server only = the best choice
server population http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility
http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/10.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y
Interesting site... I prefer www.mmorpgchart.com though. He covers a lot more titles and is generally one of the most accurate sources of data you can get for sub numbers... but it's still not perfect... and he can be a bit slow to update the site sometimes.
I haven't even bothered to look at numbers in ages... was shocked to find that EVE is now the 7th largest MMORPG... Pretty stunning... Also interesting is that of the 6 that have more subs only 2 of them are as old as/older than EVE... and it's the only one it's age (or older) that is still growing in subs rather than declining.
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Hard to say when so many ppl have 2+ accounts for alts, and also people making accounts/characters just to sell them...
Having 2+ accounts gives a false image regarding the number of persons playing the game, but that does not bring down the subscriptions.
For my self I have 3+ accounts, it's still only me, but I am generating a revenue for 3+ people, not one.
The only impact I can think of is that when I quit the game, subs will go down by 3, not just one. If that was an issue (players with a lot of accounts quiting) my guess is we would see big fluctuations in subscriber numbers.
Well, CCP doesn't seem very credible to me in regard to what information they publish about the state of their game, including subscriber numbers. They seem to contradict themselves a lot in interviews/statements.
However, the number of active accounts appears to be increasing in a way that I don't think can be just explained by individuals getting 2nd, 3rd or whatnot number of additional accounts. At any rate, even the most conservative guesser will agree that the game is at least not in decline at this time.
(edited for mistype)
I have to admit id like to hear more about this as ive always found there numbers to be accurate.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I have to admit id like to hear more about this as ive always found there numbers to be accurate.
Conspiracy theory at best.
I don't have the habit of keeping notes on where or when I read, hear or see something, so I certainly can't link or name you any specific sources. This is just an impression that I got over time. And that is why I formulated the above as opinion, not as provable fact.
This is how I perceive it. Your mileage may naturally differ, of course.
Most of what people call 'carebear' accounts are alt accounts. Very little of Eve is 0.0 PvP but it's what is called 'main' accounts. Due to lag, blob and other game mechanics that are just plain broke, little goes on in the 0.0 sec parts of the game. Add to that huge costs related to T2 in fittings and related product, PvP in Eve is essential fighting only and nuisance combat with ships people can afford to lose. The original mantra. If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. People can't afford to lose it so they don't, or they do in situations where they can't possibly lose, ie: blobs.
Eve Pop? Unchanged much. People train dormant characters for 6 months to a year. Few leave the game. The 42K you see are scattered over a massive game world that takes hours and days to navigate and encountering 400 or 1% at any time is an insured lag locked screen. Pop is not really a usefull bit of information in Eve. Knowing the local system pops means more. What I am sure of is, there are too many people in Eve. The game can't handle them. Most of the content they have shelled out over the last while is pointless because people reduce their screen to slightly above DOS just to keep from being locked out of RT events.
Population? Why?
I think that there are constant battles going on in 0.0 space.
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