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DF Fans.. Saw the video.. If THIS is really what you drool over.../moved

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  • TechleoTechleo Member Posts: 1,984

    Wow great replies! Hope we all find our niche... Moderation.. I almost forgot what it sounded like

  • originaleggoriginalegg Member Posts: 1,099
    Originally posted by OutlawVR

    Originally posted by ronan32

    Originally posted by OutlawVR


    heh, I feel sorry for all these hardcore naysayers. They are unable to let themselves enjoy darkfall, no matter how awesome it gets. I pretty much creamed my pants watching the high def version.

     

    you obviously cream your pants pre-maturely..that video stank..it was obviously a staged video and it still looked crap.

     

    It obviously was staged? Kinda like how df was obviously vaproware and had nothing to show for it?



     

    This.

    Ronan is new to the troll game from what i see.  give him time, he will get better.

    Anyways...what was shaping up to be a terrible year for the MMO genre looks like it will have an amazing ending with DF and WAR.  Even TCoS has a developer now and last i checked was still slated for q3 2008, so probably q4. 

    Congrats on retaking this forum fans...cya in game (hopefully in beta!!!)

  • Bruticus_XIBruticus_XI Member Posts: 827
    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by OutlawVR

    Originally posted by ronan32

    Originally posted by OutlawVR


    heh, I feel sorry for all these hardcore naysayers. They are unable to let themselves enjoy darkfall, no matter how awesome it gets. I pretty much creamed my pants watching the high def version.

     

    you obviously cream your pants pre-maturely..that video stank..it was obviously a staged video and it still looked crap.

     

    It obviously was staged? Kinda like how df was obviously vaproware and had nothing to show for it?



     

    This.

    Ronan is new to the troll game from what i see.  give him time, he will get better.

    Anyways...what was shaping up to be a terrible year for the MMO genre looks like it will have an amazing ending with DF and WAR.  Even TCoS has a developer now and last i checked was still slated for q3 2008, so probably q4. 

    Congrats on retaking this forum fans...cya in game (hopefully in beta!!!)

    You and your fanboy buddies need to riot and demand developer podcasts that show what they're working on, that show all the things they promised, and that show...well, a game, not just movie-type fighting. THAT will convince 99% of the people who didn't like this trailer (including me). Then we can more accurately judge if we'll like the game or not...if they deliver things smoothly/completely.

  • MortisRexMortisRex Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Originally posted by Isane




     
    The Developers of WAR will not be happy , these froumns are going to get worse as all the paid troll start to roll in. Time to go somewhere to talk about the game this place is not the plac3e to be anymore :)



     

    I'll ask you the same question as I ask every ill-informed  conspiracy theorist: Who is paying the "paid troll"? What company is willing to jeopardize it's public trading standing and face millions of dollars in SEC fines to engage in this activity. Just give me one name. Heck, don't give it to me... Give it to the Securities and Exchange Commission. If you're going to make such ludricous claims, at least offer 1 tiny bit of concrete evidence. No? Didn't think so. What's really disturbing is that you think people need to be paid to offer criticism.

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by daarco


    I dont get it? You seems to hate Darkfall and everything it stands for! But at same time you talk very warmly about AC. But if there is similaritys..why dont you hate AC as well??
    But i like this post. Maybe i will try AC.



     

    Sorry but i say learn how to read you totally misunderstood him.

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • daarcodaarco Member UncommonPosts: 4,276
    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by daarco


    I dont get it? You seems to hate Darkfall and everything it stands for! But at same time you talk very warmly about AC. But if there is similaritys..why dont you hate AC as well??
    But i like this post. Maybe i will try AC.



     

    Sorry but i say learn how to read you totally misunderstood him.



     

    I did??

    First i though he was sarcastic or something, but 70% of the OPs post is about how good AC is.

  • DorundainDorundain Member Posts: 10
    Originally posted by RedMorgan


    Actually, I was volunteering on Darkfall's staff ages ago (i've long since quit) and I can tell you for a fact that paid employees of competitors do troll the forum.  One of the moderators even caught a FunCom employee posting from work (Oops, forgot to hide that IP) and FunCom later publicly apologized for it on their forums.  He certainly wasn't the only or the last competitor to do so.
    So there's your concrete evidence. 

     

    Hehe, I remember that. That was hilarious.

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  • claudiofmclaudiofm Member Posts: 81
    Originally posted by zaxtor99


    DF fans, I saw all 6 videos launched today on YouTube in high quality.. still downloading the torrent video....
    But if this seriously makes you excited and drool... then I hate to say this... but there is already a game that looks as good or better, with probably 10 times the content out. Full PvP, looting, skills, great crafting and loot, etc.
    I will admit that I didn't think the video would come out today. Figured it would be a couple more weeks. However, as I suspected they didn't show nearly as much single player 3rd person perspective game play as I would have hoped for. I understand why they showed it the way that they did. Makes it look more exciting and dramatic to show it in the fashion that they did.
    I will almost guarantee you fans though that a 9 year old PvP game that exists right now is better, smoother, and already out. Simply log onto the Darktide server of Asheron's Call right now and get just as good of graphics with TONS of content, smooth gameplay, tons of skills you can completely vary your avatar with and change individually with use and experience earned. Sure, there isn't a lot of players now, but in two months after Darkfall launches, when it launches, there will probably not be many players there either.. if it lasts that long. If it launches and cannot support all the players or is very bug ridden, then most of the people who try it will eventually get frustrated and leave. And there may not be as many players buying this game as you think.
    I can say after watching these videos that I am extremely confident that Asherons Call is a better game, with just as good of graphics as Darkfall will ever be. And it is going to be going on its 10th year in November people.
    I will admit that I was wrong about Darkfall not launching soon. I admit that I now think it has a good chance of launching within the next six months or so. I certainly have concerns which I think are legitimate that it will have many bugs, lag, and other problems that may be very slow for such a small team to fix when it does launch however. And that alone could be the death of Darkfall. Time will tell.
    I'm being serious guys and gals. If you are truly excited about this game, all of you log into the Darktide server of Asherons call and fight each other and run around and kill mobs and do quests. The quests in AC actually are MUCH deeper then the WoW type quests as well, they actually have tons of lore and purpose to them, and most are intelligently done. The PvP is some of the most fun PvP ever cone in an mmo imo, maybe only giving Dark Age of Camelot credit for more fun PvP. Death has tough consequences in Asherons Call. Items drop on your corpse, yes even items that are equipped can be lost, and the higher your level, the higher the item loss suffered, forcing you to always carry "death items" as insurance that you don't drop your most prized equipment should you die!
    I suggest you play or try Asherons Call until this game releases and see what you think. There is a 14 day free trial that you can play NOW!
    14 day free trial of Asherons Call
    Atleast try it if you have never tried good ol' AC and if you are truly excited about Darkfall. And then in the scenario where Darkfall fails to launch for a few months and/or fails to run as smoothly as you would hope it will, you'll atleast have a solid 9 year old PvP game with tons of content that has been added monthly to fall back on.
    Granted AC doesn't have the ship combat, but I betcha AC has tons of good stuff that Darfall will fall short of as well.
    Whatever you do, enjoy what you play.
    Yes I will try Darkfall when it's available. But I bet you anything right now that it's player based review on this website and many other websites will not be nearly as good as the reviews and scores that already exist for this old school mmo that I firmly believe is one of the best PvP mmos ever made. Trust me when I say it deserves atleast a chance from everyone who loves PvP in their online gaming.
    Take care. And have fun with whatever you choose to play.


    - Zaxx
     

     

    Asherons Call?

    Asherons call video pvp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52uxMkEYVAE

     

    when speaking without knowing

    Darkfall is played in first person, not person 3

    Learn first

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by claudiofm

    Originally posted by zaxtor99


    DF fans, I saw all 6 videos launched today on YouTube in high quality.. still downloading the torrent video....
    But if this seriously makes you excited and drool... then I hate to say this... but there is already a game that looks as good or better, with probably 10 times the content out. Full PvP, looting, skills, great crafting and loot, etc.
    I will admit that I didn't think the video would come out today. Figured it would be a couple more weeks. However, as I suspected they didn't show nearly as much single player 3rd person perspective game play as I would have hoped for. I understand why they showed it the way that they did. Makes it look more exciting and dramatic to show it in the fashion that they did.
    I will almost guarantee you fans though that a 9 year old PvP game that exists right now is better, smoother, and already out. Simply log onto the Darktide server of Asheron's Call right now and get just as good of graphics with TONS of content, smooth gameplay, tons of skills you can completely vary your avatar with and change individually with use and experience earned. Sure, there isn't a lot of players now, but in two months after Darkfall launches, when it launches, there will probably not be many players there either.. if it lasts that long. If it launches and cannot support all the players or is very bug ridden, then most of the people who try it will eventually get frustrated and leave. And there may not be as many players buying this game as you think.
    I can say after watching these videos that I am extremely confident that Asherons Call is a better game, with just as good of graphics as Darkfall will ever be. And it is going to be going on its 10th year in November people.
    I will admit that I was wrong about Darkfall not launching soon. I admit that I now think it has a good chance of launching within the next six months or so. I certainly have concerns which I think are legitimate that it will have many bugs, lag, and other problems that may be very slow for such a small team to fix when it does launch however. And that alone could be the death of Darkfall. Time will tell.
    I'm being serious guys and gals. If you are truly excited about this game, all of you log into the Darktide server of Asherons call and fight each other and run around and kill mobs and do quests. The quests in AC actually are MUCH deeper then the WoW type quests as well, they actually have tons of lore and purpose to them, and most are intelligently done. The PvP is some of the most fun PvP ever cone in an mmo imo, maybe only giving Dark Age of Camelot credit for more fun PvP. Death has tough consequences in Asherons Call. Items drop on your corpse, yes even items that are equipped can be lost, and the higher your level, the higher the item loss suffered, forcing you to always carry "death items" as insurance that you don't drop your most prized equipment should you die!
    I suggest you play or try Asherons Call until this game releases and see what you think. There is a 14 day free trial that you can play NOW!
    14 day free trial of Asherons Call
    Atleast try it if you have never tried good ol' AC and if you are truly excited about Darkfall. And then in the scenario where Darkfall fails to launch for a few months and/or fails to run as smoothly as you would hope it will, you'll atleast have a solid 9 year old PvP game with tons of content that has been added monthly to fall back on.
    Granted AC doesn't have the ship combat, but I betcha AC has tons of good stuff that Darfall will fall short of as well.
    Whatever you do, enjoy what you play.
    Yes I will try Darkfall when it's available. But I bet you anything right now that it's player based review on this website and many other websites will not be nearly as good as the reviews and scores that already exist for this old school mmo that I firmly believe is one of the best PvP mmos ever made. Trust me when I say it deserves atleast a chance from everyone who loves PvP in their online gaming.
    Take care. And have fun with whatever you choose to play.


    - Zaxx
     

     

    Asherons Call?

    Asherons call video pvp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52uxMkEYVAE

     

    when speaking without knowing

    Darkfall is played in first person, not person 3

    Learn first



     

    close third for meele

  • BrahmdBrahmd Member Posts: 24

    If DF is what they claim to be. Perma-death, everything is player made. FFA pvp. You are going to have griefers, exploiters, the economy is going to go no where, and it will fall to the way side just like Fury.

  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454
    Originally posted by Brahmd


    If DF is what they claim to be. Perma-death, everything is player made. FFA pvp. You are going to have griefers, exploiters, the economy is going to go no where, and it will fall to the way side just like Fury.

     

    There is no perma death in Darkfall, even the most hardcore PVP fans would probably agree thats taking it a bit too far.  Life as a griefer won't be as easy as you think it is.  Eve has a similar ruleset and it has best economy of any game.

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by Brahmd


    If DF is what they claim to be. Perma-death, everything is player made. FFA pvp. You are going to have griefers, exploiters, the economy is going to go no where, and it will fall to the way side just like Fury.



     

    Yea definitely no perma death.  Was never even hinted at won't be happening.

    Griefers will find themselves outcasted and/or can be dealt with through pvp, while in past games they could hide behind game mechanics.

    Exploiters...what game doesnt have them?

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • Pekish79Pekish79 Member Posts: 91

    The thing that bother me the most is when people say "we want to see more we want to see it all, all mechanism all that there is to see°

    more or less like people that read builds before to even have a game...

    I mean is a game not a run for life i rather would like that they dont show too much so we dont need to run and we can find it out actually playing (That is the fun part too often ruined and spoiled by everybody that look for solution/answer on the forums)

     

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291
    Originally posted by Pekish79


    The thing that bother me the most is when people say "we want to see more we want to see it all, all mechanism all that there is to see°
    more or less like people that read builds before to even have a game...
    I mean is a game not a run for life i rather would like that they dont show too much so we dont need to run and we can find it out actually playing (That is the fun part too often ruined and spoiled by everybody that look for solution/answer on the forums)
     



     

    What is cool is that DF devs have stated that they will not be releasing a spell list for all of its 500ish spells.  They say some fansites will probably come up with it eventually, but they want to keep it part of the experience, which is AMAZING.  

    Since anyone can train any skill at any time, there is no gimping your character.

    Gamers making games for gamers....the result....DARKFALL

    Its success....still unknown!

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by daarco


    I dont get it? You seems to hate Darkfall and everything it stands for! But at same time you talk very warmly about AC. But if there is similaritys..why dont you hate AC as well??
    But i like this post. Maybe i will try AC.



     

    maybe he doesn't hate AC because AC is an actual game and he may have been playing AC for years, instead of only looking at a url describing AC?

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by claudiofm

    Originally posted by zaxtor99


    DF fans, I saw all 6 videos launched today on YouTube in high quality.. still downloading the torrent video....
    But if this seriously makes you excited and drool... then I hate to say this... but there is already a game that looks as good or better, with probably 10 times the content out. Full PvP, looting, skills, great crafting and loot, etc.
    I will admit that I didn't think the video would come out today. Figured it would be a couple more weeks. However, as I suspected they didn't show nearly as much single player 3rd person perspective game play as I would have hoped for. I understand why they showed it the way that they did. Makes it look more exciting and dramatic to show it in the fashion that they did.
    I will almost guarantee you fans though that a 9 year old PvP game that exists right now is better, smoother, and already out. Simply log onto the Darktide server of Asheron's Call right now and get just as good of graphics with TONS of content, smooth gameplay, tons of skills you can completely vary your avatar with and change individually with use and experience earned. Sure, there isn't a lot of players now, but in two months after Darkfall launches, when it launches, there will probably not be many players there either.. if it lasts that long. If it launches and cannot support all the players or is very bug ridden, then most of the people who try it will eventually get frustrated and leave. And there may not be as many players buying this game as you think.
    I can say after watching these videos that I am extremely confident that Asherons Call is a better game, with just as good of graphics as Darkfall will ever be. And it is going to be going on its 10th year in November people.
    I will admit that I was wrong about Darkfall not launching soon. I admit that I now think it has a good chance of launching within the next six months or so. I certainly have concerns which I think are legitimate that it will have many bugs, lag, and other problems that may be very slow for such a small team to fix when it does launch however. And that alone could be the death of Darkfall. Time will tell.
    I'm being serious guys and gals. If you are truly excited about this game, all of you log into the Darktide server of Asherons call and fight each other and run around and kill mobs and do quests. The quests in AC actually are MUCH deeper then the WoW type quests as well, they actually have tons of lore and purpose to them, and most are intelligently done. The PvP is some of the most fun PvP ever cone in an mmo imo, maybe only giving Dark Age of Camelot credit for more fun PvP. Death has tough consequences in Asherons Call. Items drop on your corpse, yes even items that are equipped can be lost, and the higher your level, the higher the item loss suffered, forcing you to always carry "death items" as insurance that you don't drop your most prized equipment should you die!
    I suggest you play or try Asherons Call until this game releases and see what you think. There is a 14 day free trial that you can play NOW!
    14 day free trial of Asherons Call
    Atleast try it if you have never tried good ol' AC and if you are truly excited about Darkfall. And then in the scenario where Darkfall fails to launch for a few months and/or fails to run as smoothly as you would hope it will, you'll atleast have a solid 9 year old PvP game with tons of content that has been added monthly to fall back on.
    Granted AC doesn't have the ship combat, but I betcha AC has tons of good stuff that Darfall will fall short of as well.
    Whatever you do, enjoy what you play.
    Yes I will try Darkfall when it's available. But I bet you anything right now that it's player based review on this website and many other websites will not be nearly as good as the reviews and scores that already exist for this old school mmo that I firmly believe is one of the best PvP mmos ever made. Trust me when I say it deserves atleast a chance from everyone who loves PvP in their online gaming.
    Take care. And have fun with whatever you choose to play.


    - Zaxx
     

     

    Asherons Call?

    Asherons call video pvp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52uxMkEYVAE

     

    when speaking without knowing

    Darkfall is played in first person, not person 3

    Learn first



     

     

    what part of the darkfall video was in 1st person?

    looked like god's eye and 3rd person and camera angles going all over the world, in that "totally ingame" footage vid.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291

    Damian,

    Why do you continue to post in this forum if all you want to do is troll?  Here, from the sticky.....

    "Before you post here, take a few seconds and think of what your purpose is with it.

    Are you actually intrested to see this game get released? If not, why are you here?

    If you have negative comments, please try to elaborate in such manor that we can provide you with a answer."

    Sounds like you need to figure it out.

    Also, there were plenty of first person shots in the video, although it was primarily shot from a 3rd party perspective in order to show the battles and possibilies of this game because it has been awhile since the community has seen all these possibilities put together in one game.  The archer in the tree scene, people using the cannons, all had first person perspective...but i guess you missed that.  It was 100% ingame footage, if you really cant see that, well then i guess that proves you are just a troll, or cant read.

    ~~
    Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009

    Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296

    "The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester

    "If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos

  • BrenelaelBrenelael Member UncommonPosts: 3,821
    Originally posted by imbant


    Damian,
    Why do you continue to post in this forum if all you want to do is troll?  Here, from the sticky.....
    "Before you post here, take a few seconds and think of what your purpose is with it.

    Are you actually intrested to see this game get released? If not, why are you here?

    If you have negative comments, please try to elaborate in such manor that we can provide you with a answer."
    Sounds like you need to figure it out.
    Also, there were plenty of first person shots in the video, although it was primarily shot from a 3rd party perspective in order to show the battles and possibilies of this game because it has been awhile since the community has seen all these possibilities put together in one game.  The archer in the tree scene, people using the cannons, all had first person perspective...but i guess you missed that.  It was 100% ingame footage, if you really cant see that, well then i guess that proves you are just a troll, or cant read.

    Well since Zaxx (The OP) already apologized for this thread and other comments in this forum he made about the video this whole thread is pretty much a moot point now. He already admitted that he jumped to his conclusions he made in this thread based on only viewing the low quality YouTube trailer and later recanted. So using this thread as a vehicle for trolling this forum is kinda dumb as the OP himself doesn't believe the things he posted here anymore. Let this thread die please.

     

    Bren

    while(horse==dead)
    {
    beat();
    }

  • daarcodaarco Member UncommonPosts: 4,276
    Originally posted by imbant

    Originally posted by Pekish79


    The thing that bother me the most is when people say "we want to see more we want to see it all, all mechanism all that there is to see°
    more or less like people that read builds before to even have a game...
    I mean is a game not a run for life i rather would like that they dont show too much so we dont need to run and we can find it out actually playing (That is the fun part too often ruined and spoiled by everybody that look for solution/answer on the forums)
     



     

    What is cool is that DF devs have stated that they will not be releasing a spell list for all of its 500ish spells.  They say some fansites will probably come up with it eventually, but they want to keep it part of the experience, which is AMAZING.  

    Since anyone can train any skill at any time, there is no gimping your character.

    Gamers making games for gamers....the result....DARKFALL

    Its success....still unknown!



     

    Also, if you discover a rare spell, you might wanna hold on that one yourself. It could help you to survival in combat, ot help your city to endure sieges.

    Thats another reason why it would be stupid to post everything in a Wiikepedia site.

  • CereoCereo Member Posts: 551

    It's funny, some of you think WAR developers are paying trolls to post here? Are you kidding me? WAR doesn't even probably know Darkfall is coming out and if it does, I can assure you they don't care. I would have to say if anything Darkfall fans are the trolls. If someone has a criticism of the game you call them a troll, laugh at them, tell them to leave, and say they can't comment on a game that isn't out... yet you do the SAME thing. Say it looks great and it WILL be great with no real basis. While that video was cool and I agree "epic"... it was all hype. It didn't show but 10% of what they claim to offer.

    We all want a new sandbox game but don't try to force that desire into a reality from what we have seen about this game so far. Before it was obvious it wasn't a reality yet. Then this video came out which was like a neat movie, but somehow you took that little bit of hope and turned it into a fact this game will launch perfectly without bugs and have everything it is promising, that that is quite a reach.

  • despiseddespised Member Posts: 8

    Darktide is full of Carebears/WoWbies who are 33% level/skill capped and just fight around the only worthwhile hunt in the game.  Turbine would axe the server and start it over if they had any care for a new generation of players.

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495

    OP: you saw video's? and you make all these assumptions on it without even playing/testing the game? Talk about unexperienced, seriously I could understand a topic like this if it was based on actually played facts, but instead like many game basher we see jealousy and unexperienced people come to forums to speak about things they don't know anything about..........yet....except from some video's or interviews.

     

    And again I will not comment on the game that much until I have seen it on my system/screen. Just wondering why so many people already have to make topics like this which obviously don't make much sense at this time of the game.

  • MuggyDMuggyD Member UncommonPosts: 8

    There is no drooling. Most 'fans' are cautiously optimistic. Aventurine are touting a game we all want to play, with the feature set we all want to see but they are a small company and we have only a little information about the game so we all know there is no guarantee.

  • gillvane1gillvane1 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,503
    Originally posted by MuggyD


    There is no drooling. Most 'fans' are cautiously optimistic. Aventurine are touting a game we all want to play, with the feature set we all want to see but they are a small company and we have only a little information about the game so we all know there is no guarantee.


     

    The problem is not that there is no guarantee, the problem is that there is no game. Videos are great. I like to rent them at Blockbuster. But Videos are not games. You can only watch a video, not play it like a game.

  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,574

    I hope DF is released and attracts its target audience of  "hard core pvp'ers" and is successful with its niche market.  Hopefully, those type of players will all be concentrated in DF so they'll leave the "carebear" players to enjoy their games without having to deal with the griefing, ganking pvp douche bags.

    All kidding aside, more quality mmo's, no matter what type they are, is a good thing for all of us.

    Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

    Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

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