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Either Blizzard really likes warhammer.....
Axum
Member Posts: 891
Or they just REALLY like their ideas...
"New Calendar feature: Players will be able to access the new Calendar feature by clicking on the new icon located in the top right corner of their mini map. The calendar will track in game events, allow raid scheduling, and more."
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Odds are a user-made mod had that functionality to begin with, then Bliz said "that's a good idea, we should steal it!" and suddenly it appears in the game without giving credit to the people that actually made it and rendering the user-accessible tools required for it inoperable.
Cause, you know, that's how Blizzard's been "innovating" with their UI since release.
Without Warhammer, there would never have been a Warcraft. Why would Blizzard not continue their "flattery through imitation" now?
Odds are a user-made mod had that functionality to begin with, then Bliz said "that's a good idea, we should steal it!" and suddenly it appears in the game without giving credit to the people that actually made it and rendering the user-accessible tools required for it inoperable.
Cause, you know, that's how Blizzard's been "innovating" with their UI since release.
Yeah, silly blizzard, just stealing other people's ideas...
...oh wait, it was a major innovation to create a UI framework that could be modified in way that were absolutely unheard of in an MMO before. As in, people as still coming up with new and creative ways to work with it. It was revolutionary. It is still unequaled, even in WAR. Sorry you're so bitter about life to accept that.
And the mod was called "group calendar". As is the case with many software / technology companies, user innovations which are both outstanding and so widely used that they become a de facto "standard" are usually incorporated into the official product.
Sad, bitter and nasty people here.
Oh and BTW, WAR still blows
Odds are a user-made mod had that functionality to begin with, then Bliz said "that's a good idea, we should steal it!" and suddenly it appears in the game without giving credit to the people that actually made it and rendering the user-accessible tools required for it inoperable.
Cause, you know, that's how Blizzard's been "innovating" with their UI since release.
http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=1675
While Blizzard may have taken the idea; calendars have been around for a long time, surely they shouldn't be treated as criminals; they saw people using a particular addon and decided to add it as a feature to the game. Lots of developers do this, valve has added maps members of the community have made plenty of times: its to improve the game without making members of the game's community have to download or go searching for such things.
...without Tolkien, there wouldn't be any modern fantasy of any kind. I guess everybody's a thief then. And while we're at it, without European folk legends there wouldn't be LOTR, so i guess he's a dirty thief too. Nope, nothing at all good about him, or Warhammer, or Warcraft. Just copies.
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I can see how it could go either way,
its just every day i see blizzard has added a feature that has been already announced in WAR.
xD
well anywho
i shall be playing WOTLK and WAR
Without trees there wouldn't be any oxygen for Tolkien to breath so he could write the series and create high fantasy....so there!
Q _ Q
what if WAR is copying WoW i mean in WAR there is more then 1 race!! and OMG WAR ALSO HAS HEALTH POINTS AND RAIDS
IT ALSO HAS PVP OMG THE CONSPIRACYS!?!?!
what if WAR is copying WoW i mean in WAR there is more then 1 race!! and OMG WAR ALSO HAS HEALTH POINTS AND RAIDS
IT ALSO HAS PVP OMG THE CONSPIRACYS!?!?!
This is so full of phail i am not going to even try to explain their history to you
...without Tolkien, there wouldn't be any modern fantasy of any kind.
STFU.
UTTER rubbish, Tolkiens role in high fantasy can't be ignored but anyone that knows even a little about literature knows that plenty of writers wrote fantasy with very little influence from Tolkien. Some books, like Gormenghast (published before LoTR) are considered to be just as big and even better by some.
There was fantasy before Tolkien and there would have been fantasy without him.
You mean a community full of people who over use "lol" and "STFU"?
...without Tolkien, there wouldn't be any modern fantasy of any kind. I guess everybody's a thief then. And while we're at it, without European folk legends there wouldn't be LOTR, so i guess he's a dirty thief too. Nope, nothing at all good about him, or Warhammer, or Warcraft. Just copies.
STFU.
I'm sorry, does truth bother you? Warcraft is so blatantly copied from Warhammer it's pathetic. Anyone with eyeballs and two working brain cells has realized that from the beginning. So the only one who needs to STFU is, oh I don't know, you?
Thanks for demonstrating ignorance by completely dodging the point. Lets rephrase what you just barfed out onto the internet:
Warhammer (the MMO) is so blatantly copied from Warcraft its pathetic. Anybody with eyeballs and two working brain cells has realized that from the beginning.
...and Warhammer itself (the original tabletop game) simply marries a wargame with a fantasy setting, which is pretty much derived from fantasy archetypes with a few twists of its own...just as any fantasy setting is.
We were talking about the calendar system, and WoW copying WAR (lol). Obviously, this is not true...so...
...seriously, STFU. I see WAR will be filled with as many snotty kids as WoW, which bodes well for the future of its community.
I see where you are coming from...
But you need to also look at this from a business standpoint.
Because blizzard is first, and always, a business before a game developer.
If Competitor A, has a product, and he is the only one with that product, which receives minimal complaints from its customers, than it is doing just fine.
But then Competitor B comes along addressing those minimal issues, and even adding things which the customers yearned for from the beginning.
If Competitor A=Warcraft
and B=Warhammer
then we can see it this way
Blizzard is trying to minimize the number of subscriptions they will lose, by adding similar, to identical components of their less developed competitor (Mythic). If this game is nearly bug-less, has ten times much more content, and every feature the other game has to offer, than why would i even consider the other product?
So that is why it is not ludicrous to consider Blizzard "Borrowing" or "Becoming inspired" by some of Mythic's ideas.
*edited for spelling*
Never did like WoW, but nothing wrong with borrowing ideas from other games. Hell, thats what made WoW such a huge success.
You mean a community full of people who over use "lol" and "STFU"?
Yes, because those acronyms aren't common at all. Nope. Not at all. Especially not on the internet.
Whats with all the hate towards Blizzard? Who gives a shit who copied who, the main point is they made a bloody fun game.
Blizzard imo is the greatest game company to date and not just for WoW:
Diablo series
Warcraft series
Starcraft series
They have provided hours and hours of entertainment for millions of gamers all around the world because of the quality they put into all their games. Some of you should show a little more respect to a company that has done nothing but great things for the gaming industry.
I am certainly no WoW fanboi, but I am a Blizzard fanboi, they may be a money-hungry company (like which aren't?) but the quality they put into all their games is almost unrivalled.
So yeah!
O_o o_O
well, i really don't know how you got into talking about that i was just responding to your "(lol)" when talking about WAR stealing from WoW.
i am not being ignorant so much as trying to explain the reasoning behind it not being a laughable thing.
And frankly, i have already stated that i agree with the fact that they could have gotten the idea from one of the addons the community made.
I am not fanboying, per say, as much as you think i am.
Like i have stated before, i am playing WoW and WAR,
and blizzard IS the best mmo "Company" on the market at the moment.
...without Tolkien, there wouldn't be any modern fantasy of any kind.
STFU.
UTTER rubbish, Tolkiens role in high fantasy can't be ignored but anyone that knows even a little about literature knows that plenty of writers wrote fantasy with very little influence from Tolkien. Some books, like Gormenghast (published before LoTR) are considered to be just as big and even better by some.
There was fantasy before Tolkien and there would have been fantasy without him.
I never heard of the Gormenghast Ill have to check it out but The Hobbit was published in 1937.
Odds are a user-made mod had that functionality to begin with, then Bliz said "that's a good idea, we should steal it!" and suddenly it appears in the game without giving credit to the people that actually made it and rendering the user-accessible tools required for it inoperable.
Cause, you know, that's how Blizzard's been "innovating" with their UI since release.
Yeah, silly blizzard, just stealing other people's ideas...
...oh wait, it was a major innovation to create a UI framework that could be modified in way that were absolutely unheard of in an MMO before. As in, people as still coming up with new and creative ways to work with it. It was revolutionary. It is still unequaled, even in WAR. Sorry you're so bitter about life to accept that.
And the mod was called "group calendar". As is the case with many software / technology companies, user innovations which are both outstanding and so widely used that they become a de facto "standard" are usually incorporated into the official product.
Sad, bitter and nasty people here.
Oh and BTW, WAR still blows
Blizzard/WoW fanbois always give me a good chuckle.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
Odds are a user-made mod had that functionality to begin with, then Bliz said "that's a good idea, we should steal it!" and suddenly it appears in the game without giving credit to the people that actually made it and rendering the user-accessible tools required for it inoperable.
Cause, you know, that's how Blizzard's been "innovating" with their UI since release.
Yeah, silly blizzard, just stealing other people's ideas...
...oh wait, it was a major innovation to create a UI framework that could be modified in way that were absolutely unheard of in an MMO before. As in, people as still coming up with new and creative ways to work with it. It was revolutionary. It is still unequaled, even in WAR. Sorry you're so bitter about life to accept that.
And the mod was called "group calendar". As is the case with many software / technology companies, user innovations which are both outstanding and so widely used that they become a de facto "standard" are usually incorporated into the official product.
Sad, bitter and nasty people here.
Oh and BTW, WAR still blows
So their innovation was to let people mess with their UI and create whatever they wanted so they could then steal it and add it to the game and not get sued for it?
Yeah, that sounds like Blizz.
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!
You mean a community full of people who over use "lol" and "STFU"?
Yes, because those acronyms aren't common at all. Nope. Not at all. Especially not on the internet.
I didn't ask if they are common.
So other than shooting your mouth of about a subject you have a limited view over, over use of Internet slang in every post you make and out of place sarcasm, do you have anything to add?
I don't think a simple Calender feature will be the holding strength WoW needs for subs.
People thinking they are "stealing" ideas from the warhammer game need to get over the fact that blizzard isn't that desperate.
I'm sure Blizzard hasn't underestimated the fanbase of Warhammer, but I don't think they would even have to sink that low for subs.
Truth is, this was a third party mod for WoW, long before it was planned to be put into the game.
There could be many reasons why they added this in, but judging by this thread, I can tell that no matter what I say, my point won't come across because all the war fanbois are just looking for a way to bash Blizzard more.
Groovy.
Gormenghast and LOTR both view war in different but interesting ways, Aragorn's and LOTR (for the most part) view is like that of a general where as the Gormenghast books are very much the view of war from the lowest foot soldier covered in mud and gore. The detail in the Gormenghast books is just amazing.
While The Hobbit was published in '37 and Titus Groan (the first Gormenghast book) in '46 there are many people writing fantasy before The Hobbit (and Titus Groan came before LOTR). Robert E Howard being one of them, with Kull and Conan in print off the top of my head in about '29.
While things might have looked different now without Tolkien and LOTR to say that there would be no fantasy is just plain silly.