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strangely enough, the game is getting buggier closer to launch
DataDay
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Yes i said it. I love the game.
However, i have a faint taste of AoC in my mouth after seeing each patch make the game more buggy, lower fps, as well as graphical issues. I have no doubt that Mythic is a much better company that can actually deliver on fixing these issues, however I am a bit worried.
Games shouldnt get worse the closer they get to launch, they should get better. The first PW seems more stable than this second one. Now mobs are becoming unkillable due to a bug (more common than before), pathing is still having issues, graphical issues galore. Some how one of my boot graphics showed up as dwarf boots, meaning my feet were in a different place than where they should be on my body, and legs became then invisible with magical floating boots.
Great game though. Just want everyone to know that its not all perfect though. Closer it gets to launch the more bugs I am seeing pop up. There have been some nice interface changes though.
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I agree that the game appears more buggy. I think the reason for this in part is the server load is heavy. almost always at high or full for the servers i am on. Wait till tomorrow when all pre-orders flood the game servers.
Did you even play PW? In PW mobs didn't move hardly at ALL. Keep lords were next to impossible to kill because they'd keep warping and resetting.
A few unkillable mobs is an improvement to what we had in PW.
Keybindings don't go awol when you relog (well, except auto-run) either.
I've not got stuck in an animation yet (like laying down after a knockdown).
Only thing I've seen yet is CTDs (rare).
So I have to say you're not right on this one. If you think this is remotely like AoC then I have to wonder if you even played AoC.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Not even close to as buggy as the first preview. They have made alot of improvements since then.
I don't have much experience in the game so far, but from playing both preview weekends, I think the game has progressed along nicely. I have very few complaints about the current state of the game.
So far my biggest problems have been doing the Chapter 1 Dark Elf Public Quest, where sometimes the mobs become unattackable, but they still attack you. Very annoying glitch that happens sometimes, but most of the time you can get through that part fine.
Since that's my biggest complaint so far, I'd say this game is definitely fun and playable as far as my experiences go
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Seen a few mobs unattackable, but pathing seems much better than before. Playing a Dwarf now and that area seems pretty stable, no problems with graphics. I have a ATI X1950 pro, don't know if that makes any difference.
I'm just surprised that after all this time I still constantly run into the target not attackable or target is retreating bug.
I've also notice, that now, you can't talk to a few of the greensking starting NPCs, including a questgiver and the career trainer.
The big one for me though is unattackable mobs, especially in PQs, this needs to get fixed quick!
The only thing I'm noticing is some crazy mob pathing issues. But other than that the game is way more stable for me than it has been in the past.
Yea, that has to be the biggest glaring bug yet.
The unattackable mobs will make many people quit the game on release if they are still as rampant as they are.
In one of the ork pqs every single mob there becomes unattackable at one point or another. Making the PQ takes 3x as long as it should.
So far the only real major problem i've had was lots of bugged out mobs on one of the PQ's which made it pretty much undoable. It's not really a big surprise that they break stuff while trying to fix other things thats how betas are. I don't really care much about stuff like sound and shit like that. The combat takes some getting used to but after awhile it doesn't seem as bad as it did at first to me anyway.
I've beta tested alot of MMO's lately and so far this one seems like it's in the best shape from what I've seen of it. That doesn't say a whole lot when your comparing it to failures like Vanguard Tabula Rasa and AoC but hey.
I have played a bit of CB, then PW now This PW. Not casually i might add. The first PW performed much better. Thats a fact. First PW ran great, though mobs didnt always attack you if you were ranged, at least they were killable. Performance was smoother as well. Right now npc pathing is bad, they might attack you properly this time, but then they get in this stuck mode where you cant hurt them but they can hurt you. Thats a worse problem than the first PW where the mobs just didnt attack but could be attacked.
What i am getting from you though is a sense of elitism that allows you to have a closed mind and snobbish attitude towards anyone. "i have to wonder if you even...ect"
I played AoC for 3 1/2 months, more that most, mainly because i ran a large pvp guild. The decision was pretty much unanimous, the game was getting worse instead of better, and everyone left.
You would have to be blind if you do not see some of the bugs popping up as WAR gets closer to launch. Again its a great game, but I am not ashamed to say it as it is.
I'm going to go ahead and venture a guess to say that when they fixed the mob pathing issues they created this problem with mobs resetting or getting stuck. To say they are going backwards and it's getting buggier is just retarded.
Its not "retarded" as you so put it. If you have been paying attention with what was happening in AoC, they would attempt to fix one thing and break to other things in its place. Now i am not directly saying AoC=WAR or that they can be comparable, however my point was that its reminding me of those bad experiences.
No one is stating that they are going backwards directly, however the was a big performance loss from last PW and this one, as well as new and old bugs resurfacing. Pointing this out as the game nears launch is not bashing the game but stating a simple non biased observation.
It is strange, since early beta's are usually the buggiest moment in a game, and once the polish cycle goes into play bugs for the most part dissapear, especially the graphical and npc behavioral ones. But I am starting to notice Mythic adding more and making more changes as the game nears launch, which is perhaps the reason for the bugs.
My guess is, is that they are rushing it a bit, trying to get in as much as they can for launch. This in turn would logically create more bugs.
I have played a bit of CB, then PW now This PW. Not casually i might add. The first PW performed much better. Thats a fact. First PW ran great, though mobs didnt always attack you if you were ranged, at least they were killable. Performance was smoother as well. Right now npc pathing is bad, they might attack you properly this time, but then they get in this stuck mode where you cant hurt them but they can hurt you. Thats a worse problem than the first PW where the mobs just didnt attack but could be attacked.
What i am getting from you though is a sense of elitism that allows you to have a closed mind and snobbish attitude towards anyone. "i have to wonder if you even...ect"
I played AoC for 3 1/2 months, more that most, mainly because i ran a large pvp guild. The decision was pretty much unanimous, the game was getting worse instead of better, and everyone left.
You would have to be blind if you do not see some of the bugs popping up as WAR gets closer to launch. Again its a great game, but I am not ashamed to say it as it is.
Can t disagree more. I m an elder tester, played pw and now this one. Mobs are pathing rather normal, pets aren t messed up, response times on abilities is near flawless now. I could go on, but the game is WAY better this pw then last and can tell you it s a huge improvement from early beta. This game isn t even close to AOC in terms of well anything. I ll say the opposite, you would have to be bind to think it s getting worse and not better, but to each their own. I know for me and everyone in my guild( 75+) all say it s vastly mproved.
Rabenwolf, I think the opposite but based on just my experience in the game so it's jsut opinion.
The PW+ seems less buggier for me. No CTDs for me (alto some friends had some... nothing like PW).
The path issue is much better. I think the problem with the mobs is the last thing about path problem that they should fix (alto not sure how the pets' pathing is).
The combat seems much more responsiveness and the combat graphics dont suck so much.
I will say they improved the list of things they said but they didnt finish fixing it all. I think they still have to work on them all but there is improvement.
I am not saying you are wrong. I think your opinions are based on your game experience in the game too.
They've probably exaggerated a lot of the more 'serious' bugs, such as monster pathing and such, in order to make them happen more often so they can track it down easier. I've noticed 'target not attackable' a hell of a lot more than I did previous. I've also suffered one server crash with a rollback. It's normal and they probably will cut back once the real open beta starts. We're the guinea pigs who have already seen what the game is capable of, so they probably guess we wouldn't care if we experienced more bugs, as we would simply report them, right?
Honestly, even with all the positives from last PW, I think they shouldn't have had another one this weekend. Just wait until Open Beta Mythic...it'll give you time to make sure you completely destroy the bugs reported from the first PW. The servers will be jampacked during the OB, does two extra days of that really make much of a difference? Especially if the first PW's bugs aren't completely fixed yet. It's improved, but I'd rather them show it to us when it's fixed.
Oh well.
If you had played WAR in CB you would not have made this post. The progress they have made just in a few weeks is remarkable and its not even close to "buggy" compared to what it was a month ago...
Its really damn solid right now and everyone in CB that kept crashing everytime they logged in will tell you that they fixed a hell of alot in a short period of time...way faster then blizzard EVER FIXED ANYTHING EVER!.
Yes, the sky is falling ... Serously, I've been in the PW and PW+ and the game looks great and in good shape, every software has some bugs in the first release .. and honestly I don't see these has a major problem and even less are going to affect the game on release, they can be corrected. If you guys don't want to play it, fair enough.
Yes, the sky is falling ... Serously, I've been in the PW and PW+ and the game looks great and in good shape, every software has some bugs in the first release .. and honestly I don't see these has a major problem and even less are going to affect the game on release, they can be corrected. If you guys don't want to play it, fair enough.
I would appreciate it if you and your fellow "lets assume the worst" group would please read my post all the way through. I pointed out an observation, others have seen it as well. Yet people like you turn it into "oh you dont like the game? gtfo" and "what are you smoking, stop hating on our game", when its not even close to that, yet your failing to read or choosing not to, has lead to the usual fanboy mode responses from you and your fellow " he said something that might be interpreted as negative, in order to make ourselves feel better lets spin his post out of context!!!!"
Clearly i have stated that from PW to PW+. I did not make the statement that CB was better than PW and then PW+, since CB has been going on much longer. I found times when CB was a tad more stable, but thats about it. You ppl need to stop assuming and read + comprehend appropriately.
Finally, like i said, i am not the only one making these observations. There for it isnt just me. You can deny it all you want, but others are finding more problems this time around than before, or if not more, different ones that were not a problem as much as before. Following this, i found similar threads on other WAR forums such as warhammer alliance and tentonhammer.
honestly...other than the pathing errors (target is not attackable) i havent run into much else that is a problem
Yes, the sky is falling ... Serously, I've been in the PW and PW+ and the game looks great and in good shape, every software has some bugs in the first release .. and honestly I don't see these has a major problem and even less are going to affect the game on release, they can be corrected. If you guys don't want to play it, fair enough.
I would appreciate it if you and your fellow "lets assume the worst" group would please read my post all the way through. I pointed out an observation, others have seen it as well. Yet people like you turn it into "oh you dont like the game? gtfo" and "what are you smoking, stop hating on our game", when its not even close to that, yet your failing to read or choosing not to, has lead to the usual fanboy mode responses from you and your fellow " he said something that might be interpreted as negative, in order to make ourselves feel better lets spin his post out of context!!!!"
Clearly i have stated that from PW to PW+. I did not make the statement that CB was better than PW and then PW+, since CB has been going on much longer. I found times when CB was a tad more stable, but thats about it. You ppl need to stop assuming and read + comprehend appropriately.
Finally, like i said, i am not the only one making these observations. There for it isnt just me. You can deny it all you want, but others are finding more problems this time around than before, or if not more, different ones that were not a problem as much as before. Following this, i found similar threads on other WAR forums such as warhammer alliance and tentonhammer.
Your only hearing and people are only saying things because the NDA was lessened. That's why you didnt hear anything before and your hearing it now.
TO say that the game was at all stable in CB calls you a flat out liar, Us REAL CB testers know better then that.
The game is stable now and 50x better then it was last PW. The game has came a LONG LONG WAY since then. AND ALOT LESS "BUGGIER"
Your post was read all the way through the 1st time but you just completely trolled yourself by saying CB was anything stable. So cheers to all those observations your hearing..as you all obviously dont know any better.