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The negative feedback on this game sways new players away
Z3R01
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I recently started playing Swg yesterday and the game seems fun.
When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this.
Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg?
Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game?
I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company?
After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them).
It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase.
I understand that the Vets are upset and wish the SoE devs would DIAF but seriously are you trying to ruin a decent mmo experience for your fellow mmo gamers aswell?
It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that.
Edit: I guess the Vets win since none of my rl friends will play this game it's only a matter of time before I get lonely in swg and leave. kinda sucks
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
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The vets didn't do the damage. SOE and LA did.
The bad word of mouth this title gets is an effect not the cause of its problems.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Well to be fair, I think the vets have every right to post their opinion about the game. I do not always agree with their current assessments of gameplay, however, they certainly have the right to be bitter at the underhanded way in which SOE changed the core game.
As far as you RL friends go I can only think of 2 things:
1. Get your friends to try the free trial --- no matter what others say, it should be a personal decision what games you choose to play or not to play
2. Make sure you are playing on one of the more populated servers like Bria or Bloodfin, there are still more than enough players there to have a good virtual community. My RL friends who still play now live a continent away, but that is the beauty of an online game, we can still keep up with each other.
Again as far as the angry vets go, do try to walk a little in thier shoes. Thier game was taken away in a most decietful manner. I am glad you are enjoying the game. I play it as well and still find fun things to do. (I really like the new crafting and will always enjoy space)
And you might be surprised, even though lots of the vets do not think highly of the game, most of them agree that people should try the trial version to make up thier own mind.
I understand that the vets are upset, hell I would be freaking pissed.
I just wished all the hate would be directed toward the devs not the players.
I've seen posts from vets saying things like "if you still play swg, your opinion doesn't matter" things like that just kill me.
if you look at these forums every post that asks if Swg is good or if a new player should start playing all these guys say is its a dying game and its worthless and you would be a noob to play it.
Maybe these vets should tell people why this current version of the game sucks, break it down for me and don't put it up against a game that no longer exists. Instead of just saying its a dead mmo and making players feel bad for playing the damn game.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Some posters make very personal attacks on people who play the game. That is true. But I really think you would find most vets will say that if you are enjoying the game, good for you.
There are always going to be few people who will spew vile. My best advice is that if you enjoy the game, encourage your friends to give the trial a go and just ignore anyone who tries to flame you for that.
And if you ever want to read some well constructed perspective from the vets, I would suggest reading some of archangels posts.
That's the power of word of mouth, and I think that's a good thing. At the very least it should encourage companies not to treat their customers like disposable trash.
10,000 people saying something sucks does not make it true. If the item does not suck, then 1,000,000 will say it does not suck and easily drown out the 10,000.
SWG is not an example of this, however. It is the exact opposite. There are only a handful of people who attempt to gloss over the combat system, the bugs, and the lack of commitment to fix things from SOE. This is all while they continue to collect $15 a month. Most people can see when they are being taken advantage of. Some really love Star Wars and previous commitment to the game makes them blind.
Like others have said, if you are enjoying the game, great. It is NOT anything the vets have said that have damaged this game. It is the continuous changes and lack of professionalism displayed by the dev team (past and present) that tarnishes what could have been and what will be.
To me, your post is pretty much a flame. You might want to reconsider what you have written if you want to keep it unlocked...
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
I used to think, (somewhat), the way you do until they CHANGED the game on me, also.
They are always after that elusive playerbase that they don't have and willing to sacrifice the playerbase they do have to go after them.
It's just a matter of time before they get you, too. If you like SWG (in any of the games it has been), they will find a way for you not to like it. The only constant in SWG.
You want to know why the vets give this game bad word of mouth? Because SOE absolutely 100 percent deserve it. The game is still mismanaged and the community totally ignored the latest gem the TCG (getting an expansion planned before a game expansion) despite its obvious encouragement of gambling and giving crafters the shaft, has caused many users to lag like crazy and require bringing up the task manager to shut the game down.
Instead of commenting or addressing this issue SOE just gets the forum mods to lock and delete the posts complaining about it due to this I have cancelled my account again, I'm not waiting around to see if hoths any good when the game is barely playable.
The bottom line is that although certain devs may be doing a good job, the people in charge still make the same horrible mistakes adding content users don't ask for and ignoring game issues and community made ideas, the latest producers note proves this by pretty much saying tough to pilots main issues and saying we have an answer for low pop severs although we're not telling you what it is!
Sorry but you can't blame vets for low subs, SOE did the damage and they deserve their rep If you want to prove to new players that its not bad then they have a trial to see for themselves.
The game now is not the game that we originaly purchased! The new TCG game is not what we wanted either with the game. We asked for new content and we got it by paying money to a lease on a card game that was shoved down our throats. Ya there are players out there who will say if you dont like the TCG card game then dont purchase it! Fair enough I would say but there is nothing we are purchasing/buying like they state exept a lease on a card game. Simple facts is you lease your cards or rent your cards you dont buy or purchase any cards.
The games overall views and stand point on it is this We will let the game die before we ever go back to CU or Pre CU. Yes this statment was said at the Atlanta Summits. This gave players 2 choices to either like there new game that we the players did not ask for or want or to jump aboard the band wagon and kill this game.
There were other statment as well other then this one that also lead to massive pissed off players. Im a Star Wars fan myself but what they did to the game I orginally purchased and played left a real foul taste in my mouth followed by statments and false advertising for the game.
Before you jump on me about false advertising let me explain. When you purchase something you have something solid most of the time. When I purchase a subscription im purchasing something that I know is a subscription. When I purchase TCG cards I dont have the ablity to do what I want with those cards. I cant sell them on ebay or anything else or im in violation. So the words purchase and buying TCG cards that SOE throws around I consider that as being fraud and misleading.
This is the bottom line, and one that the "supporters" of SWG can't get away from: the simple truth that if the game were good, more than 20 servers would not be empty.
I am sure, there are more than 250k people who have tried WoW and thought it sucked, but compared to the 8-10 million that play/have played it, that is a very small percentage.
In SWG, 250K people was probably close to the "high water mark" of subs in this game, and is probably a majority of folks that have EVER played the game. And more than 200k of those quit, over SOE's mismanagement of the game and disrespect for their paying customers.
People's dislike of SOE and SWG is both justified and understandable. Sorry you want more of your friends to like this game, but SOE brought this on themselves.
You needn't look past the O-boards (SWG's own backyard) to read the endless complaints, flaming and hate - - and that forum actually represents those currently playing. This forum is a 'light-weight' compared to what goes on in the O-boards, so it is the least of your worries.
Your RL friends may not want to bother with the game, but you can make the effort to befriend new ones within the game. As mentioned earlier, make sure you are on a well populated server that agrees with your gaming time (time zones).
First of all SOE and LA did a much better job of turning new players away than any vet ever has.
Secondly, the game and its broken mechanics and lack of depth do more to turn away new players than anything else.
This game is still in "beta" condition and they are asking you to pay a premium for play it. There are a lot of suckers out there, but I am glad to say that I am not one of them.
Tecmo Bowl.
One more thing. Anyone who willingly pays to play this game I cannot possibly consider to have rationale or taste that are worthy of credible opinion. Sorry, that's just how I, and likely a lot of people feel about the current playerbase of SWG.
Tecmo Bowl.
Two things:
1) Word of mouth telling the TRUTH about SOE/LA killed this game.
2) As a 'hardcore SW fanboi' myself, this game pisses me off something fierce. This game is NOT for hardcore SW fanbois but FPS gamers who have a passing interest in SW as a setting only, and care nothing about the actual story, characters, or continuety of Star Wars.
It's nothing but an Online FPS with a psuedo-economy (ie:broken) using Star Wars props.
Fellow Hardcore SW Fanbois... look elsewhere for your fix.
"If into *SWG* you go, only pain will you find there" - Yoda
This thread is awesome. I'm proud to be a SWG vet!
Way back before CU/NGE, Star Wars Galaxies was my game. I loved it. I ran all over the place and hired mercenaries to keep me safe while I set up mining installations in remote, high-quality areas, and the fact that I wasn't a combat class was perfectly okay thanks to the fact that I made a load of cash and could pay Teras Kasi masters and fencers and Riflemen to watch my pudding-soft ass.
Thanks to the money I spent and the installations I dropped down, I was one of the best crafters on Gorath. My lightning guns were famed throughout SWG.
I had a few ranks in Pistoleer, but nothing really major. Most of my energy was in Artisan, Weaponsmith, and Scout, for fleeing up big cliffs from nasty eat-me things. For the most part, my associates were dangerous and I simply supplied them with the gear they needed to hit their hardest.
With the new systems in place, this is no longer viable.
I won't be going back without a return to pre-CU/NGE. They're working on making a free server from way back when; when they've finished, I'll reinstall. Until then, I'm sticking with other games.
The thing I truly appreciated about SWG was its incredible, deep crafting system, the richness of its resource gathering and management tools, and the capacity to experiment with created items and focus their production on what needed to be made. Many of my weapons were custom-made. I loved sitting and tinkering with no budget ceiling until I got the best possible gun I could imagine and then giving it to a smiling customer and letting his recursive XP feed my growth for ages to come. Some folks used my weapons for months on end; they couldn't find upgrades, and that's what made me happy.
I loved SWG. I loved it -so- much.
Then CU/NGE came along and suddenly I was level fourteen, and couldn't accomplish anything or crossclass like I used to. Now I'm a gimp in every possible manner, rather than being an awesome crafter with well-deserved prestige and a big customer base.
Not going back. Burned too hard.
Think about it. Everyone who's watched this game for any period of time knows the above statement to be true, but to my knowledge SOE has never flat-out SAID it. They literally said they will continue trying to fix a broken model that has hemorrhaged subscriptions and cash than return to what they know works. That's like saying they would rather keep trying to fix the Titanic than get on a different boat that has been proven to cross the Atlantic in one piece. This kind of absolute statement usually spells corporate suicide, though in this case it's probably just the one game. So what does it mean? One of four things, IMHO:
1. They cannot come to a consensus with the IP holder (LucasArts) but still need to maintain a respectable relationship with them, so they can't say "LA won't let us rollback". (This seems most likely, as both Raph Koster and Jeff Freeman posted something like this on their blogs).
2. Their egos won't let let them admit defeat, and not shareholders nor higher-ups will deter them from their mission to make SWG into their vision. Raph Koster is the "devil", and they are doing the Lord's work by recovering from the "mess" he made.
3. Something else is coming up and in the works, hidden. Maybe SOE has something to do with it, maybe they don't, but whatever it is SWG will be put to bed at that point.
4. Some combination of the above, maybe all of them.
At the very least, it tells me we will likely never see another paid expansion from these guys for this game again. Regardless of the "fun" factor, they have to base probable sales on a percentage of their existing player base, as in 3 years they've found that they aren't going to gain very many subs at once with all the attack dogs they've created shouting the game down. There's no way they could even hope to recoup costs on an expansion that likely needs to sell in the hundreds of thousands to do so, when at best 10k people will buy it.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum
The only real people left playing this game are the fanbois and the carebears mainly on the main 3 populated servers everything else is dead. The economy is shot and even more now with the loot card sales on the forums like the Sith Speeder going for 300mil ? (Buying credits much?) Broken gameplay , massive bug list that could read like a book , and just a overall bad community since everyone there went carebear , they dont even want a GCW update for PVPers since it is the core part of SWG but it doesnt feel or play like SWG, just a game to collect trinkets and shineys and sell them for abhorent prices......
WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I AM a Star Wars fan and I played the free trial of SWG.
It wasn't the feedback or any ones posting which stopped me playing beyond the free trial. It was the game itself. Poor animations, bugs (which I later read had been in game for years), and VERY low populations.
Creator of ELTank and Nostalgia
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
I want to see a link before I believe that that was actually said at the Atlanta summit. Smells like bullshit to me.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
tbh, it's not just the SWG playerbase that has a bad opinion of this forum community...
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
tbh, it's not just the SWG playerbase that has a bad opinion of this forum community...
tbh, it's not just this community that has a bad opinion of SOE.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.