To clean discussion in this thread from last troll attempt.
DarkFall officially announced a non paid Beta and free in game time for experience before buying the product.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Okay, so if one part of a comparison is not true, that makes every other part of a comparison simply invalid? I wish I could do that in every situation. Make my life easier. I never listed specifically, Darkfall info to go point by point. I ONLY listed Shadowbane info and left it for people to make their own conclusions. Now we see what they are I guess.
If in doubt, follow the money. If someone was about to sell you a sucky product, would they let you try it for free first ?
Okay, so if one part of a comparison is not true, that makes every other part of a comparison simply invalid? I wish I could do that in every situation. Make my life easier. I never listed specifically, Darkfall info to go point by point. I ONLY listed Shadowbane info and left it for people to make their own conclusions. Now we see what they are I guess.
If in doubt, follow the money. If someone was about to sell you a sucky product, would they let you try it for free first ?
Have you tried it yet?
Again...
free time for trying --> you not like it-> you not pay it--> you happy..
thx and goodbye..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I never, ever, ever made any statement saying you had to pay in any way for Darkfall beta. I know it for a fact, because I am signed up for the beta. I really, really do know you don't need any money for it. What made you people all get on the crazy train from that little comment about what some companies did for a beta practice 10 years ago, escapes me. Cool down a bit. I was just noting there were similarities in the long dev cycle for both games and the advertised features. One has released, one has not. Will the second go better? It was meant to spur discussion. Can everyone forget about the money comment and move on please.
My roommate even sent in the 5 or 10 dollars that they were collecting to be in the beta when they got to that stage.
Facts for Beta registration selection
* Hardware specs (we need to test on a wide variety of hardware)
* Your Location
* Clan beta applications
* Darkfall community involvement
No money included.
Also there will free time trying before buying.
You memories are in wrong place here and misleading in case of DF.
Nope, my facts are 100% correct. It is your reading and comprehension skills that are lacking. Way back, many years ago, Shadowbane was talking about their upcoming beta. Being just a few people working on the game, they solicited a small amount of money from people who wanted to be in it. I think was to cover cd costs and duping. Was back when broadband was not as common so beta discs got sent to you.
Good to know you dont have to pay a nickel for Darkfall then, aint it?
Okay, so if one part of a comparison is not true, that makes every other part of a comparison simply invalid? I wish I could do that in every situation. Make my life easier. I never listed specifically, Darkfall info to go point by point. I ONLY listed Shadowbane info and left it for people to make their own conclusions. Now we see what they are I guess.
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
My roommate even sent in the 5 or 10 dollars that they were collecting to be in the beta when they got to that stage.
Facts for Beta registration selection
* Hardware specs (we need to test on a wide variety of hardware)
* Your Location
* Clan beta applications
* Darkfall community involvement
No money included.
Also there will free time trying before buying.
You memories are in wrong place here and misleading in case of DF.
Nope, my facts are 100% correct. It is your reading and comprehension skills that are lacking. Way back, many years ago, Shadowbane was talking about their upcoming beta. Being just a few people working on the game, they solicited a small amount of money from people who wanted to be in it. I think was to cover cd costs and duping. Was back when broadband was not as common so beta discs got sent to you.
Good to know you dont have to pay a nickel for Darkfall then, aint it?
This is what you would call, really late to the party.
After wathcing the video a couple times it looks like the gunners on the ships were probably npc's. Have they said anyihing about that, Manning the guns can by done by pc's but if you don't have enough it will fill in the spots. Because that last ship could probably handle a quild all by itself if everyone had to man up a gun?
Okay, so if one part of a comparison is not true, that makes every other part of a comparison simply invalid? I wish I could do that in every situation. Make my life easier. I never listed specifically, Darkfall info to go point by point. I ONLY listed Shadowbane info and left it for people to make their own conclusions. Now we see what they are I guess.
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
I guess I went with Shadowbane because it was pvp centric, ffa pvp with looting, city building/controlling, lots of freedom, etc. etc. No game would compare to another 100%. But it was started by a small group, indi devs trying to put out what they thought was a fun game. It had a long dev cycle, some people thought it would never come out. Seeing a pattern here that almost every other game released recently doesn't share? Is really not that complicated and I wasn't trying to leave out other games. Sorry you feel that way about my exclusions.
I never, ever, ever made any statement saying you had to pay in any way for Darkfall beta. I know it for a fact, because I am signed up for the beta. I really, really do know you don't need any money for it. What made you people all get on the crazy train from that little comment about what some companies did for a beta practice 10 years ago, escapes me. Cool down a bit. I was just noting there were similarities in the long dev cycle for both games and the advertised features. One has released, one has not. Will the second go better? It was meant to spur discussion. Can everyone forget about the money comment and move on please.
How about Gods and Heroes turning vapor while EvE turning gold ? You cannot judge a book by it's cover.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
Okay, so if one part of a comparison is not true, that makes every other part of a comparison simply invalid? I wish I could do that in every situation. Make my life easier. I never listed specifically, Darkfall info to go point by point. I ONLY listed Shadowbane info and left it for people to make their own conclusions. Now we see what they are I guess.
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
I guess I went with Shadowbane because it was pvp centric, ffa pvp with looting, city building/controlling, lots of freedom, etc. etc. No game would compare to another 100%. But it was started by a small group, indi devs trying to put out what they thought was a fun game. It had a long dev cycle, some people thought it would never come out. Seeing a pattern here that almost every other game released recently doesn't share? Is really not that complicated and I wasn't trying to leave out other games. Sorry you feel that way about my exclusions.
I think its time for you to wake up.
Just ask yourself this question.
Did Shadowbane have the same developers as Darkfall have?
When you found the answer to that question i do hope you realize that comparing one game developer with another game developer isnt possible.
Just imagine the thousands of variables that mismatch btw developing one game to another.
Honestly you just can't compare one game's development to another. Take it from a 14-year software developer (who is currently even a game developer)... While the actual act of developing a game is similar in terms of platform and overall challenges, the differences in a given development team and the company wrapped around it are VERY vast. The relative experience, competence, diligence, etc, simply can't be compared to another team easily. This isn't apples and oranges, its apples and hand grenades IMO.
still no responses from anyone who has actually PLAYED darkfall.... wtf?!?!
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy? Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
This game is going to rock if it has half the features promised and btw f**k graffics I played uo and it looks like nes could run it and had a great many years playing it
still no responses from anyone who has actually PLAYED darkfall.... wtf?!?!
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy? Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
To the OP... I think you would have better luck finding a leprechaun because most people don't understand that other games have been in development with a shorter time period and were in closed beta but still had video leaks of gameplay. I know that people supposely seen the game in studio and the trailer was 100% gameplay footage but don't you think it's strange that's all we have seen after so many years?
still no responses from anyone who has actually PLAYED darkfall.... wtf?!?!
Get a clue. It's because no one here has played it. Beta has not started yet that's why they just announced the beta signups.
I you want to read what a FEW of the visitors to the dev's offices in Greece have written about their visits and experiences while there, then go to the Darkfall forums here, http://forums.darkfallonline.com/, and actually do some research instead of being lazy.
I don't think its too strange that more "leaks" haven't happened. Its a fairly small dev house and they are good at not revealing much. I actually applaud them for that.
There have been a few fan visits recently. Here, check em out.
still no responses from anyone who has actually PLAYED darkfall.... wtf?!?!
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy? Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
To the OP... I think you would have better luck finding a leprechaun because most people don't understand that other games have been in development with a shorter time period and were in closed beta but still had video leaks of gameplay. I know that people supposely seen the game in studio and the trailer was 100% gameplay footage but don't you think it's strange that's all we have seen after so many years?
Just because other games have shorter development periods does not mean all games have to. There is a simple formula to game development.
Time + Money = Product
If you have more money to throw at it then it will take less time and conversely if you have less money then it will take more time.
With Aventurine being a small company and also self publishing the game it goes to reason that they do not have a lot of money so it will take more time to develop the game. In addition, with their limited resources they cannot afford to spend a lot of time right now creating little tidbits of eye candy just to appease you. They're focusing all their efforts on polishing and optimising the game.
i'm just really confused... i really really really want to try this game and see if its as good as everyone is saying. and i just don't see how so many people can form opinions from one short video. hasn't anyone at all tried the game even in like a closed beta?
Just go through this thread to give us a break from your moronic trolling:
In most projects you want a high quality product, for little money and and a short dev time. The problem is, you may choose only two out of the three. You may have a high quality product with a short dev time, but that is going to be expensive. Or you can have a high quality product, for little cash, but that will give you a longer dev time. That's the universe we live in.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
I beg to differ, in regards to "time/money" argument. If your goal is a high quality product, it takes more than time, it takes more than money. It also takes talent.
We know this team has had the time. If you believe some of the figures out there about "loans" in the 20+ million area, they have had sufficient funding - more than enough for a small team in Greece, IMO.
I beg to differ, in regards to "time/money" argument. If your goal is a high quality product, it takes more than time, it takes more than money. It also takes talent. We know this team has had the time. If you believe some of the figures out there about "loans" in the 20+ million area, they have had sufficient funding - more than enough for a small team in Greece, IMO. Soon, we will see if they have the talent.
Talent , therein is the chance of small development companies above the big ones. Big ones can throw mantime and cash like no other in their projects.
The design, the ideas and latest gameplay video showed DarkFall has much more talent in to sense what a gamer wants at heart then their competitors.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
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To clean discussion in this thread from last troll attempt.
DarkFall officially announced a non paid Beta and free in game time for experience before buying the product.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
If in doubt, follow the money. If someone was about to sell you a sucky product, would they let you try it for free first ?
That is probably true.
Have you tried DF?
If in doubt, follow the money. If someone was about to sell you a sucky product, would they let you try it for free first ?
Have you tried it yet?
Again...
free time for trying --> you not like it-> you not pay it--> you happy..
thx and goodbye..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Why argue it? Time will tell. Wait and see.
I never, ever, ever made any statement saying you had to pay in any way for Darkfall beta. I know it for a fact, because I am signed up for the beta. I really, really do know you don't need any money for it. What made you people all get on the crazy train from that little comment about what some companies did for a beta practice 10 years ago, escapes me. Cool down a bit. I was just noting there were similarities in the long dev cycle for both games and the advertised features. One has released, one has not. Will the second go better? It was meant to spur discussion. Can everyone forget about the money comment and move on please.
Facts for Beta registration selection
* Hardware specs (we need to test on a wide variety of hardware)
* Your Location
* Clan beta applications
* Darkfall community involvement
No money included.
Also there will free time trying before buying.
You memories are in wrong place here and misleading in case of DF.
Nope, my facts are 100% correct. It is your reading and comprehension skills that are lacking. Way back, many years ago, Shadowbane was talking about their upcoming beta. Being just a few people working on the game, they solicited a small amount of money from people who wanted to be in it. I think was to cover cd costs and duping. Was back when broadband was not as common so beta discs got sent to you.
Good to know you dont have to pay a nickel for Darkfall then, aint it?
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
Facts for Beta registration selection
* Hardware specs (we need to test on a wide variety of hardware)
* Your Location
* Clan beta applications
* Darkfall community involvement
No money included.
Also there will free time trying before buying.
You memories are in wrong place here and misleading in case of DF.
Nope, my facts are 100% correct. It is your reading and comprehension skills that are lacking. Way back, many years ago, Shadowbane was talking about their upcoming beta. Being just a few people working on the game, they solicited a small amount of money from people who wanted to be in it. I think was to cover cd costs and duping. Was back when broadband was not as common so beta discs got sent to you.
Good to know you dont have to pay a nickel for Darkfall then, aint it?
This is what you would call, really late to the party.
After wathcing the video a couple times it looks like the gunners on the ships were probably npc's. Have they said anyihing about that, Manning the guns can by done by pc's but if you don't have enough it will fill in the spots. Because that last ship could probably handle a quild all by itself if everyone had to man up a gun?
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
I guess I went with Shadowbane because it was pvp centric, ffa pvp with looting, city building/controlling, lots of freedom, etc. etc. No game would compare to another 100%. But it was started by a small group, indi devs trying to put out what they thought was a fun game. It had a long dev cycle, some people thought it would never come out. Seeing a pattern here that almost every other game released recently doesn't share? Is really not that complicated and I wasn't trying to leave out other games. Sorry you feel that way about my exclusions.
How about Gods and Heroes turning vapor while EvE turning gold ? You cannot judge a book by it's cover.
---
And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Why choose Shadowbane?
Heck while you're still at it why dont you make comparements with all games ever released and then we can have a huge super quiz on which of them were closest to the coming Darkfall beta and release.
Its just not fair to all the others that you picked Shadowbane to compare with.
I guess I went with Shadowbane because it was pvp centric, ffa pvp with looting, city building/controlling, lots of freedom, etc. etc. No game would compare to another 100%. But it was started by a small group, indi devs trying to put out what they thought was a fun game. It had a long dev cycle, some people thought it would never come out. Seeing a pattern here that almost every other game released recently doesn't share? Is really not that complicated and I wasn't trying to leave out other games. Sorry you feel that way about my exclusions.
I think its time for you to wake up.
Just ask yourself this question.
Did Shadowbane have the same developers as Darkfall have?
When you found the answer to that question i do hope you realize that comparing one game developer with another game developer isnt possible.
Just imagine the thousands of variables that mismatch btw developing one game to another.
Have a nice one
Honestly you just can't compare one game's development to another. Take it from a 14-year software developer (who is currently even a game developer)... While the actual act of developing a game is similar in terms of platform and overall challenges, the differences in a given development team and the company wrapped around it are VERY vast. The relative experience, competence, diligence, etc, simply can't be compared to another team easily. This isn't apples and oranges, its apples and hand grenades IMO.
still no responses from anyone who has actually PLAYED darkfall....
wtf?!?!
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
big brother is watching you
I laughed.
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy?
Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
This game is going to rock if it has half the features promised and btw f**k graffics I played uo and it looks like nes could run it and had a great many years playing it
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy?
Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
To the OP... I think you would have better luck finding a leprechaun because most people don't understand that other games have been in development with a shorter time period and were in closed beta but still had video leaks of gameplay. I know that people supposely seen the game in studio and the trailer was 100% gameplay footage but don't you think it's strange that's all we have seen after so many years?
i'm just really confused...
i really really really want to try this game and see if its as good as everyone is saying.
and i just don't see how so many people can form opinions from one short video.
hasn't anyone at all tried the game even in like a closed beta?
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
big brother is watching you
Get a clue. It's because no one here has played it. Beta has not started yet that's why they just announced the beta signups.
I you want to read what a FEW of the visitors to the dev's offices in Greece have written about their visits and experiences while there, then go to the Darkfall forums here, http://forums.darkfallonline.com/, and actually do some research instead of being lazy.
I don't think its too strange that more "leaks" haven't happened. Its a fairly small dev house and they are good at not revealing much. I actually applaud them for that.
There have been a few fan visits recently. Here, check em out.
http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=12
http://www.warcry.com/news/view/85297-Darkfall-Yellowbeard-Visits-Aventurine
Considering the game is still in development and has not yet had a public beta of any kind, this is no surprise. So WTF is your point then?
I don't know anyone that has played Star Trek Online either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess I am missing out on what is so clever about your little post, or why its "funny" to the last guy?
Why is Darkfall bound by different rules in your mind than other games?
To the OP... I think you would have better luck finding a leprechaun because most people don't understand that other games have been in development with a shorter time period and were in closed beta but still had video leaks of gameplay. I know that people supposely seen the game in studio and the trailer was 100% gameplay footage but don't you think it's strange that's all we have seen after so many years?
Just because other games have shorter development periods does not mean all games have to. There is a simple formula to game development.
Time + Money = Product
If you have more money to throw at it then it will take less time and conversely if you have less money then it will take more time.
With Aventurine being a small company and also self publishing the game it goes to reason that they do not have a lot of money so it will take more time to develop the game. In addition, with their limited resources they cannot afford to spend a lot of time right now creating little tidbits of eye candy just to appease you. They're focusing all their efforts on polishing and optimising the game.
Just do what the rest of us are doing.
Waiting patiently.
Just go through this thread to give us a break from your moronic trolling:
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43318
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Time + Money = Product
In most projects you want a high quality product, for little money and and a short dev time. The problem is, you may choose only two out of the three. You may have a high quality product with a short dev time, but that is going to be expensive. Or you can have a high quality product, for little cash, but that will give you a longer dev time. That's the universe we live in.
---
And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
I beg to differ, in regards to "time/money" argument. If your goal is a high quality product, it takes more than time, it takes more than money. It also takes talent.
We know this team has had the time. If you believe some of the figures out there about "loans" in the 20+ million area, they have had sufficient funding - more than enough for a small team in Greece, IMO.
Soon, we will see if they have the talent.
Talent , therein is the chance of small development companies above the big ones. Big ones can throw mantime and cash like no other in their projects.
The design, the ideas and latest gameplay video showed DarkFall has much more talent in to sense what a gamer wants at heart then their competitors.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)