Originally posted by Vazi The games overall views and stand point on it is this We will let the game die before we ever go back to CU or Pre CU. Yes this statment was said at the Atlanta Summits.
WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
It isn't so much the mechanics are THAT bad(well ok there bad) as it is that the mechanics are THAT MUCH WORSE than what we had.
For instance, there used to be 32 professions you could choose from that each had a skill box tree. Each skill box cost a certain amount of skill points, and each character got 250 skill points. Players were able to mix and match what ever professions they wanted to and create a very unique character. With the NGE, the majority of the 32 professions were deleted, and we were left with "9 iconic classes" that had absolutely no creativity or uniqueness about them. While before a commando could be a Master Commando with some Pistoleer and Combat Medic, afterwards a commando was a commando was a commando.
People spent months or even years trying to unlock their Jedi, but with the NGE everyone could be a Jedi with a click of a button.
Pre-CU was a level less system, where there wasn't some magic number that determined how powerful you were, but with the CU, SOE pasted a level on all of the characters for god knows why.
Crafters used to make the best gear, and the economy was run by the players, with supply and demand. The NGE changed it to a loot based economy, which made the crafter professions worthless. Oh, there used to be item decay which allowed crafters to have repeat business as items would break. The NGE removed item decay, meaning that even if a crafter managed to make something good and sell it, they would never see that customer again.
These are just some of the things that were changed off the top of my head.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it
LOL there is NOTHING going for SWG at the moment, unless you meant going down.
but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
Really? You honestly just said that? REALLY? You won't support any developer that copies another game, and then say SWG, which in it's current state is a WoW clone slapped on top of old SWG with a crappy combat system, is unique? No no. The game WAS unique, now it's just worse everything else out there right now.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.
For being the correct decision, it really hasn't turned out well has it? I would wonder what your basis for calling it the correct decision would be? I would call a correct decision a successful decision, but I have not seen SOE make a successful decision with SWG. So I ask, how was it the right decision?
The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
In a way you are right, in a way you aren't. It is apparent that we don't have any say in it, but I think this is just an isolated case. With ANY other company, a mass exodus of customers would have seen some response from the powers that be(See Coke II), but with SOE that never happened. So we didn't have any direct say, but we spoke anyway. We spoke with our feet and spread the word of what happened. So while we haven't had any effect on what has happened to the game, we have had an effect on what has happened to SOE's bottom line, or else the OP would have never made this post.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.(Irony at it's best) It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
That was really an entertaining post. Thanks for the laugh.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Originally posted by Vazi The games overall views and stand point on it is this We will let the game die before we ever go back to CU or Pre CU. Yes this statment was said at the Atlanta Summits.
WOW. Do you remember who said this?
Think about it. Everyone who's watched this game for any period of time knows the above statement to be true, but to my knowledge SOE has never flat-out SAID it. They literally said they will continue trying to fix a broken model that has hemorrhaged subscriptions and cash than return to what they know works. That's like saying they would rather keep trying to fix the Titanic than get on a different boat that has been proven to cross the Atlantic in one piece. This kind of absolute statement usually spells corporate suicide, though in this case it's probably just the one game. So what does it mean? One of four things, IMHO:
1. They cannot come to a consensus with the IP holder (LucasArts) but still need to maintain a respectable relationship with them, so they can't say "LA won't let us rollback". (This seems most likely, as both Raph Koster and Jeff Freeman posted something like this on their blogs).
2. Their egos won't let let them admit defeat, and not shareholders nor higher-ups will deter them from their mission to make SWG into their vision. Raph Koster is the "devil", and they are doing the Lord's work by recovering from the "mess" he made.
3. Something else is coming up and in the works, hidden. Maybe SOE has something to do with it, maybe they don't, but whatever it is SWG will be put to bed at that point.
4. Some combination of the above, maybe all of them.
At the very least, it tells me we will likely never see another paid expansion from these guys for this game again. Regardless of the "fun" factor, they have to base probable sales on a percentage of their existing player base, as in 3 years they've found that they aren't going to gain very many subs at once with all the attack dogs they've created shouting the game down. There's no way they could even hope to recoup costs on an expansion that likely needs to sell in the hundreds of thousands to do so, when at best 10k people will buy it.
I think I might actually find a video were it was said im also making sure I get the right developer before I give you all a name so im going to go through pictures. Give me a few hours and ill trace this one down. This was a argument that started with a player and one of the lead developers who is still with the game. It took place when we could line up and ask questions alot of players stormed out after that comment as well. So let me see if I can pull a video on that and let me get it right on who said it with a 100 percent postive on it for you all!
There was also some other statments that Julio Torres made that there Lucas Arts PR person at the time pushed Julio Torres out of the way to try to answer. One of the statments he made at the Atlanta summits whas they did not lose all that many subs do to the NGE and I stood up at the bloodfin table and yess he was full of edit and asked him why out of my 500 people on my friends list why does no one show up on it now if you didn't lose that many. Thats when the Lucas Arts Pr edit stood up and tried to spin it even more.
So ya im pissed I was lied to as a consumer straight to my face with out evidence to there claims when I had evidence backing my claims us. We got no apoligies at the Atllanta summits I walked away with a headache from all the lies they were giving us.
This stament has been said time and time again as well THE WILL BE NO ROLL BACKS!!! I take this statment has we will never get the game that we orginally paid for so yes im going to be be very pleased when the new game they shoved at us gets shut down. I will give bad reviews on any SW MMO unless its like my orginal game that I purchased as a consumer. Give me a few to get the name on who said the statment im preety sure I know it but I want to make sure I got the right face with who said it. I think there is also a video of this as well so again give me a few to do some digging around!
I played SWG precu for about a year and a half. They deleted my profession along with several of the professions of my buddies. They took jedi which some of us worked very hard to attain and made it entry level into the game. They completely removed the skill based system they had and changed it to a level based system. They completely redesigned the combat system in secret and then sprung it on everyone out of the blue, after already revamping the combat system once before that. They lied again and again to the community, and then later said they didn't care if their current subscriber base left because they were gonna get new players to replace them.
Over 150 people in my guild went poof overnight. We were a virtual family. Friends, enemies, cantina girls, doctors, crafters, fighters, jedi....all woven together in the complex social tapestry that made the game special. And they basically wiped our game and put something none of us wanted in its place.
And you wouldn't leave negative feedback if this happened to you?
Originally posted by Vazi The games overall views and stand point on it is this We will let the game die before we ever go back to CU or Pre CU. Yes this statment was said at the Atlanta Summits.
WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
I'm not a vet and only ever played NGE but will try my best
1/ SWG bears no resemblance to the mythos or canon its meant to represent, rather than being rare and powerful jedi are common as muck and absolute junk, the era its set(between eps 4 and 5) is ignored completely mostly in favour of content that i've never seen in star wars
2/ the game is bugged to hell and despite what certain SWG fanbois will tell u some of the bugs can be game killing, most of the time they r just so frustrating u'll give in and log out til u eventually have enough and leave
3/ any gameplay u like is liable to change due to SOE's chuck any crap at it they can as offen as they can mentalitly, and piss u off in the process, server i was on saw consistent population drops with every update
4/ game is now completely unbalanced due to various loot/stats/rewards/buffs that have been added
5/ the ground combat mechanics are broken and cause large amounts of lag to most players, u need a high end comp to run the game smoothly. I'm guessing these mechanics where meant for the PVP side of the game so of course SOE have destroyed the PVP in one way or another making the bad combat system pointless with a ui thats just not good
6/ Most updates aren't done properly and are contradictory to other updates or even parts of the update they accompany leading to a game which is a complete mess
7/ Best aspect to the game was the community which has taken a downturn recently due to a small group of fanbois and some immature idiots now coming into the game they can now dominate
8/ SOE's bad reputation is well deserved, they lie at every oportunity and do anything they can to squeeze more money out of star wars fans. Unlike other games that make there money from having a decent product SOE tries to make their money from SWG purely because its a star wars license so don't bother makin it a decent game
9/ this game may have once been inovative etc but SOE only copy other titles and r trying to make a wow clone now mixed with an LOTRO clone(without any of the storylines or graphics that go with)
this list could go on more btw
most vets get free vet months so they r up on the current game when they post, i guess some may just post to flame(but then SOE did lie/cheat/steal from them) but for every one of those there is a fanbois that is prepared to lie about the stae of the game and it's more likely that they do more damage with their lies than the vets could ever do.
give it an update or 2 b4 u compare this game with others out there for a fuller insight
This game has a poor population due to it being a poor game vets have next to nothing to do with it as SOE's lack of morals and capability gets to most ppl eventually, be they casual, hardcore, rper's, gameplayers or whatsoever
The game now is not the game that we originaly purchased! The new TCG game is not what we wanted either with the game. We asked for new content and we got it by paying money to a lease on a card game that was shoved down our throats. Ya there are players out there who will say if you dont like the TCG card game then dont purchase it! Fair enough I would say but there is nothing we are purchasing/buying like they state exept a lease on a card game. Simple facts is you lease your cards or rent your cards you dont buy or purchase any cards. The games overall views and stand point on it is this We will let the game die before we ever go back to CU or Pre CU. Yes this statment was said at the Atlanta Summits. This gave players 2 choices to either like there new game that we the players did not ask for or want or to jump aboard the band wagon and kill this game. There were other statment as well other then this one that also lead to massive pissed off players. Im a Star Wars fan myself but what they did to the game I orginally purchased and played left a real foul taste in my mouth followed by statments and false advertising for the game. Before you jump on me about false advertising let me explain. When you purchase something you have something solid most of the time. When I purchase a subscription im purchasing something that I know is a subscription. When I purchase TCG cards I dont have the ablity to do what I want with those cards. I cant sell them on ebay or anything else or im in violation. So the words purchase and buying TCG cards that SOE throws around I consider that as being fraud and misleading.
Here is the only video that I have been able to find http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6089319535205801042 This video gets cut out at the end of it. The guy in the red hat said How many subscriptions is it going to take you to lose before you roll back the game? They replied there will be no roll backs. Then he asked so you guys would rather let the game die before a roll back and there response was there will be no roll backs ever! So whatever you can call BS or whatever you want to do we all have heard the statments before its nothing new. Spin it how you want to I know exactly what was said and what was also promised to us at that summit. If you really want to go into what was said and what was not then bring up the Chapter 4 release notes on player bases and getting new games and totally revamped system. Or how about the Lava turrets and Acid turrets as well. Ill be more then happy to point out to SOE employess who call BS and want links to stuff a whole list of stuff that was said and promised. Plaese keep spinning this trash of a game maybe some 10 year olds will think that thousands are lying and BSing the rest of the minorties!
When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this.
I think your friends have some security issues if they won't try it because "it is seen as uncool" to play it especially when there are so many other reasons not to play it.
Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg?
The truth of the matter is the vets have not done nearly as much damage to the game as SOE themselves have. I would fall directly into the category of those burned by SWG directly my main was a CH and my initial response was not to quit there were factors beyond the control of SOE for me leaving ultimately but there is always something to be learned from watching the way a company handles it's customer base as well as it's general history. When the decisions were made to change the game and it became obvious they wouldn't work why not at least appease those you had burned in the first place? I want to reiterate at this time I was not mad at SOE still not for that matter but when I know that you aren't finding success anyway and are still not willing to fix the issues those who left wanted fixed how could I possibly trust that my desires would be considered later?
Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game?
Again I think you have to fault SOE for this because as I mentioned above about general history this game has had a history of "bad implimentation" it was always more buggy than less and it was never highly engaging. Even before things like the CU and NGE this game had bugs galore now at this point with so many games without bugs and technical issues it really does become almost impossible to tolerate the sheer volume of problems this game had. And though I've heard they have tried to do a few things story wise once again there efforts pale in comparison to a game like LOTRO or even wow for that matter a game they themselves as much as admitted to trying to more or less emulate.
I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company?
Again at the end of the day video game fans only want a good game to play even those angered by the nge many of them way more angry than me have resubbed to trash the game or do other things and ultimately swg has slipped again there is nothing to keep the players there. I can't recall which was first JTL or Trial s but there has been nothing else since then. Something as simple as an expansion and maybe the offer of a free download to returning players who quit around nge would have been smart but this game has been dead in the water since the mass defection it suffered and they have done very little to change that. Heck a cheaper alternative than the one I mentioned above may have been a few classic servers to atleast allow yourself the chance to silence your critics while you worked on this your main game, but once again I reiterate SOE dropped the ball they have done nothing to stop the bleeding.
After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them).
Being better than some games isn't enough to make a person play a game and honestly if you have angered people the way SOE has you will only naturally be held to an even higher standard than that. I myself have been tempted to re-sub because the fanboy in me wants to play both a decent sci fi game and a star wars game but this game just hasn't done enough to make me want to play it since I know it isn't what I played before nor is it fun (for me atleast)
It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase.
I think of it much more as mmo suicide I mean it's not like Bill Gates is leading the charge this is Sony we are talking about and it's pretty pathetic that they have not thrown huge amounts of money at this problem I have heard people say they would not touch anything sony (I believe them to) and though I'm a big playstation fan and hence the rest of sony it makes me personally feel insignificant when I see they have angered so many of their other loyal customers and don't care, I feel bad for the current SWG playerbase as well but really because this game is virtually the same as it was a month after the NGE which means that SOE has also written them off as well as the vets.
It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that.
Other than your friends I don't see that anyone is terrorizing anyone into not trying this game they don't advertise it they don't build upon it in any way resembling an mmo(this trading card game) SOE has or should have more resources to convince the public the vets aren't right but again nothing.
I want to end this by saying I have never considered myself an "SWG vet",atleast not how they are described on message boards. I have never started a post against SOE or SWG but have lent my opinion to topics, but I'm not blind either if SOE with the only liscense for Star Wars can't get me more excited than Blizzard,Turbine or even castlethorn for that matter why trust that at the least they would not consider treating me the way they have everyone else.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
One more thing. Anyone who willingly pays to play this game I cannot possibly consider to have rationale or taste that are worthy of credible opinion. Sorry, that's just how I, and likely a lot of people feel about the current playerbase of SWG.
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
Nobody in the gaming world cares what the current players think. Current players willingly pay to play a beta and their efforts keep the gaming industry stuck in the dark ages. Good times.
I'm not a vet and only ever played NGE but will try my best 1/ SWG bears no resemblance to the mythos or canon its meant to represent, rather than being rare and powerful jedi are common as muck and absolute junk, the era its set(between eps 4 and 5) is ignored completely mostly in favour of content that i've never seen in star wars 2/ the game is bugged to hell and despite what certain SWG fanbois will tell u some of the bugs can be game killing, most of the time they r just so frustrating u'll give in and log out til u eventually have enough and leave 3/ any gameplay u like is liable to change due to SOE's chuck any crap at it they can as offen as they can mentalitly, and piss u off in the process, server i was on saw consistent population drops with every update 4/ game is now completely unbalanced due to various loot/stats/rewards/buffs that have been added 5/ the ground combat mechanics are broken and cause large amounts of lag to most players, u need a high end comp to run the game smoothly. I'm guessing these mechanics where meant for the PVP side of the game so of course SOE have destroyed the PVP in one way or another making the bad combat system pointless with a ui thats just not good 6/ Most updates aren't done properly and are contradictory to other updates or even parts of the update they accompany leading to a game which is a complete mess 7/ Best aspect to the game was the community which has taken a downturn recently due to a small group of fanbois and some immature idiots now coming into the game they can now dominate 8/ SOE's bad reputation is well deserved, they lie at every oportunity and do anything they can to squeeze more money out of star wars fans. Unlike other games that make there money from having a decent product SOE tries to make their money from SWG purely because its a star wars license so don't bother makin it a decent game 9/ this game may have once been inovative etc but SOE only copy other titles and r trying to make a wow clone now mixed with an LOTRO clone(without any of the storylines or graphics that go with) this list could go on more btw most vets get free vet months so they r up on the current game when they post, i guess some may just post to flame(but then SOE did lie/cheat/steal from them) but for every one of those there is a fanbois that is prepared to lie about the stae of the game and it's more likely that they do more damage with their lies than the vets could ever do. give it an update or 2 b4 u compare this game with others out there for a fuller insight This game has a poor population due to it being a poor game vets have next to nothing to do with it as SOE's lack of morals and capability gets to most ppl eventually, be they casual, hardcore, rper's, gameplayers or whatsoever
Great post. Hopefully this will show that the game is reviled because it's now a bad game...not just because of what the vets say about it.
One more thing. Anyone who willingly pays to play this game I cannot possibly consider to have rationale or taste that are worthy of credible opinion. Sorry, that's just how I, and likely a lot of people feel about the current playerbase of SWG.
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
Nobody in the gaming world cares what the current players think. Current players willingly pay to play a beta and their efforts keep the gaming industry stuck in the dark ages. Good times.
I think what you meant to say is that nobody in the gaming world cares what the viral marketers, paid flunkies and delusional fanbois on mmorpg.com think.
I recently started playing Swg yesterday and the game seems fun. When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this. Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg? Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game? I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company? After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them). It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase. I understand that the Vets are upset and wish the SoE devs would DIAF but seriously are you trying to ruin a decent mmo experience for your fellow mmo gamers aswell? It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that. Edit: I guess the Vets win since none of my rl friends will play this game it's only a matter of time before I get lonely in swg and leave. kinda sucks
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
EQ2 is much more like WoW now, than it was when it was released. EQ2 is almost an entirely different game than it was when it launched (which is a good thing, because SOE rushed EQ2 out the door to beat WoW to launch, and the game was a complete mess). EQ2 is still suffering from the poor condition it was launched in and will never even reach EQ's heights because of it.
Blizzard took a lot from EQ and EQ's predecessors, DikuMUD and its MUD progeny. Hell, it would be quite a feat for Blizzard to have ripped off EQ2 in nineteen days, but as I already said, EQ2 is much more like WoW now, than it was when it launched. WoW is much more like the game it was at launch than EQ2 is to the game it was at launch. To put it plainly, SOE were the ones playing follow the leader with WoW. EQ2 was a semi-successful attempt, SWG was a complete and utter failure (both the CU and NGE were attempts to make SWG appeal to WoW's playerbase, and both did more harm than good).
Anyway, as has been pointed out several times in this thread already, SWG has such a poor reputation, not because of disgruntled former players defaming it, but because it is a horrible and unfun mess of a game. The only thing going for it is the Star Wars skin, and even that can't make up for the god awful gameplay. If the NGE game was fun, there would be many times more people playing it than the current anemic player population. The fact of the matter is that it isn't, so it doesn't. The current dev team can add all the instances and collection grinds in the world, and it won't make the core game fun. That is the simple problem with the NGE game, and it is the one problem that SOE is unwilling to fix.
Some posters make very personal attacks on people who play the game. That is true. But I really think you would find most vets will say that if you are enjoying the game, good for you.
There are always going to be few people who will spew vile. My best advice is that if you enjoy the game, encourage your friends to give the trial a go and just ignore anyone who tries to flame you for that.
And if you ever want to read some well constructed perspective from the vets, I would suggest reading some of archangels posts.
Thanks H.H. . It's easy for me to speak well of current players because some of my good friends still play the game. And as you say, if anyone enjoys the game I really am glad for them.
If I post any critiques it's generally about some unfixed bugs, unfulfilled promises, or new developments that don't seem player friendly. The aim of all of these is for SWG to be a positive experience for gamers and/or StarWars fans, and for consumers not be duped or ripped off by an MMO company with questionable ethics.
SWG has very cool virtual worlds, excellent exploration, great music, great character customization etc. Some of the restored features like camps are also very cool.
As for criticisms about unfixed bugs or the way players have been treated, yeah I've posted some negative things, but they were all true, and I think people have a right to know how SOE has treated people and managed their game.
So to the O.P., have fun and best wishes. Also, check the O-boards for some threads offering help to new or returning players. Some of the people in that online community are still some of the best people you'll ever meet.
Oh, and if you steer clear of spending a ton of cash hoping to get virtual loot from the random card packs, and if you only subscribe a month at a time, you may avoid some of the pitfalls others have fallen into. Also check out O-board threads on current bugs/issues so you can avoid some ingame frustrations. Some of the stuff works, some doesn't. The stuff that does is probably a lot more fun
Oh yeah, and I feel that in all fairness you should be cautioned about getting too attached to things about the game that you really like. Things tend to change frequently. If you're the kind of person that can avoid getting attached to ingame accomplishments or specific features, maybe you'll be alright. I'm just not that kind of gamer. I like to build things over time, enjoy the progress and the end result.
I recently started playing Swg yesterday and the game seems fun. When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this. Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg? Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game? I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company? After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them). It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase. I understand that the Vets are upset and wish the SoE devs would DIAF but seriously are you trying to ruin a decent mmo experience for your fellow mmo gamers aswell? It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that. Edit: I guess the Vets win since none of my rl friends will play this game it's only a matter of time before I get lonely in swg and leave. kinda sucks
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
LOL! did I say my friends play WoW? currently the RL friends I have play Eve and now Ryzom.
Some players don't like being ridiculed for playing a specific mmo.
Anyway I'll agree on your FFXI comment that game is actually really good.
Eq2 however is simple bullshit. don't even know how you could put EQ2 and FF in the same sentence.
remember people play mmos for fun and to me and my friends forums are a part of an mmo experience If they are being attacked for playing Swg they wouldn't be having much fun. I understand why they won't try it and theres enough people on the server im on now to actually group with players so its ok.
Oh and don't be so fast to down wow, from what i've seen both the combat and UI are light years ahead of SWg actually the combat and UI in Swg seems as buggy as a mmo in Alpha. it's not easy for me to look passed this, but im trying.
OP you have nice and cool friends , do your good and follow their advices, they meant to help you.
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I recently started playing Swg yesterday and the game seems fun. When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this. Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg? Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game? I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company? After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them). It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase. I understand that the Vets are upset and wish the SoE devs would DIAF but seriously are you trying to ruin a decent mmo experience for your fellow mmo gamers aswell? It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that. Edit: I guess the Vets win since none of my rl friends will play this game it's only a matter of time before I get lonely in swg and leave. kinda sucks
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
LOL! did I say my friends play WoW? currently the RL friends I have play Eve and now Ryzom.
Some players don't like being ridiculed for playing a specific mmo.
Anyway I'll agree on your FFXI comment that game is actually really good.
Eq2 however is simple bullshit. don't even know how you could put EQ2 and FF in the same sentence.
remember people play mmos for fun and to me and my friends forums are a part of an mmo experience If they are being attacked for playing Swg they wouldn't be having much fun. I understand why they won't try it and theres enough people on the server im on now to actually group with players so its ok.
Oh and don't be so fast to down wow, from what i've seen both the combat and UI are light years ahead of SWg actually the combat and UI in Swg seems as buggy as a mmo in Alpha. it's not easy for me to look passed this, but im trying.
As for whether or not it's "cool" to play a certain MMO, well I'm not sure if that's playground politics or if people are just having a hard time explaining themselves.
For example, I don't play a particular MMO to be "cool." At the same time when I think of SWG, this is what comes to mind: I lost all my mastered professions in that game, and so did all of my online friends. All of my online creature handler friends lost all of their pets. All of my entertainer and crafting friends lost most of their usefulness in the game. Many of the good animations in the game were taken out. Much of the enjoyable content was deleted. All unlocked force enhancements for combat attributes were deleted. Unlocked jedi skill trees were also deleted. With the NGE 17 pages worth of bugs and issues were introduced, including being unable to use combat specials, being unable to chat, being unable to move, and having heals heal enemies. Additionally, the new fps game format was promised collision detection, and never got it. So you have fps, but enemies can shoot you through walls. You can't by the way return fire because you don't know where they are. On top of this serious bugs like falling through the map and having your group unable to enter certain instances together were left in the game, along with things like broken waypoint arrows for group members. That's the mechanical problems and loss issues.
Now for the business ethics. SOE marketted profession revamps, took subscription money based on these promises, then deleted these professions instead of revamping them, and kept the subscription money. They also marketted an expansion with features for the professions they planned to delete. People did get money back for the expansion when there was talk of class action lawsuits and letters written to the Attorney General's office.
O.k. now, in light of all of these mechanical issues, losses to players, and ethical concerns, if someone says, "hey man do you want to play SWG, I think it's fun," I might summarize my thoughts and feelings by replying, "no thanks, that game is not cool."
Having said all of that, I still think the virtual worlds are excellent, that the character creation is great, that exploring the worlds is fun, that the StarWars music is "cool," especially on Lok, and that there are some really good people left in the game. There used to be a lot more, but some remain. So, if you have fun, I'm glad, still. I also do hope you'll avoid some of the current pitfalls and frustrations. At the same time, maybe this information can help you understand why many people shy away from this game as long as its being run by the same guy that pulled all the crap.
If you think negative feedback is the only thing holding SWG back, I'd say you're wrong. If the game itself were good enough, then it would overcome the negative feedback and be a solid game or even a 'success'.
Sure, some of the negative press about SWG is coming from posters that have probably never played the game. They just jump in and flame SWG because everyone does.
But...
Most of the negative feedback about SWG is valid.
Most of the negative feedback about SWG comes from vet's that were burned by SOE OR by players that have tried to play the game recently and found it to be the bad game that it is.
It's really hard for me to look at SWG and then games like the Force Unleashed. What SOE did to the SW IP is really sad. If I were to try to play SWG after having played the Force Unleashed... it would be like time-warping back to ColecoVision days.
SOE will continue to roll things out in SWG that their focus group approves of. Every once in a while, they will throw the other customers a bone and give them something they have been wanting for 2 years or longer. But, they won't ever roll-back.... not even Rick could Roll SOE/SWG.
Originally posted by Z3R01 I recently started playing Swg yesterday and the game seems fun. When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this. Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg? Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game? I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company? After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them). It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase. I understand that the Vets are upset and wish the SoE devs would DIAF but seriously are you trying to ruin a decent mmo experience for your fellow mmo gamers aswell? It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that. Edit: I guess the Vets win since none of my rl friends will play this game it's only a matter of time before I get lonely in swg and leave. kinda sucks
ah yes, the old "blame the customers" meme. Sorry, that is an absurd position. If bad word-of-mouth harms product sales, it is the company's fault.
Some posters make very personal attacks on people who play the game. That is true. But I really think you would find most vets will say that if you are enjoying the game, good for you.
There are always going to be few people who will spew vile. My best advice is that if you enjoy the game, encourage your friends to give the trial a go and just ignore anyone who tries to flame you for that.
And if you ever want to read some well constructed perspective from the vets, I would suggest reading some of archangels posts.
Thanks H.H. . It's easy for me to speak well of current players because some of my good friends still play the game. And as you say, if anyone enjoys the game I really am glad for them.
If I post any critiques it's generally about some unfixed bugs, unfulfilled promises, or new developments that don't seem player friendly. The aim of all of these is for SWG to be a positive experience for gamers and/or StarWars fans, and for consumers not be duped or ripped off by an MMO company with questionable ethics.
SWG has very cool virtual worlds, excellent exploration, great music, great character customization etc. Some of the restored features like camps are also very cool.
As for criticisms about unfixed bugs or the way players have been treated, yeah I've posted some negative things, but they were all true, and I think people have a right to know how SOE has treated people and managed their game.
So to the O.P., have fun and best wishes. Also, check the O-boards for some threads offering help to new or returning players. Some of the people in that online community are still some of the best people you'll ever meet.
Oh, and if you steer clear of spending a ton of cash hoping to get virtual loot from the random card packs, and if you only subscribe a month at a time, you may avoid some of the pitfalls others have fallen into. Also check out O-board threads on current bugs/issues so you can avoid some ingame frustrations. Some of the stuff works, some doesn't. The stuff that does is probably a lot more fun
Oh yeah, and I feel that in all fairness you should be cautioned about getting too attached to things about the game that you really like. Things tend to change frequently. If you're the kind of person that can avoid getting attached to ingame accomplishments or specific features, maybe you'll be alright. I'm just not that kind of gamer. I like to build things over time, enjoy the progress and the end result.
Excellant post, Arc. Your last paragraph is what bothered me the most.
During my time at SWG, I found ways to "work around" the bugs, and there were many. I do not wish to "bash" the existing players, if they have found some entertainment in the game, still, more power to them.
But, I am not afraid to warn potential players that their in game accomplishments are just complete fodder for $OE Austin to CHANGE or delete at their beckon whim. Before C6, I had farmed (another grind) for clothes drops for months to be able to solo/take part in game content as I was on a low population server, even then. Groups were hard to find and the only way to be able to enjoy the "group" content was mostly be able to solo it. Kauri was not a large pop server, even then. Another grind for clothes drop came at C5 for "35s". The Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade CHANGED all that I, and everyone else, had accomplished, and what Fisher and I told them along with over 2000 other posts, came to pass. Most of the content became group and was unavailable on a low pop server. About 1/2, as far as I could tell, of the existing population quit out of boredom. Then, the server transfers came into play as PVP was hit hard via the loss in population. Kauri went from a ghost server to a dead server in a matter of months. Kauri was not the only server to go through this, either. Most of them did, (20 or so) as there are currently, maybe, 3 - 5 servers that can support the "new" gameplay.
It's really easy to look back, now, and see the development plan that Deadmeat and Blixtev laid on the table at their "take-over" after C5. It was notheing more than another NGE, this time only done in increments instead of 1 massive patch. And, for the same reason as NGE. They went after the "WoW" crowd with NGE and lost all the "vets". With C6CD - through the next year, they went after the "vets" they lost and lost over half of the playerbase they did have. In all of these CHANGES SWG has seen, $OE seems more than willing to go after another playerbase of subscribers, that they don't have, and are more than willing to sacrifice the subscribers, they do have, to get it. NONE of these CHANGES have worked as far as getting that elusive playerbase and has only cost them subs for their trouble. The main problem is, with 3 massive revamps of the game, now, $OE still has NOT figured out why it hasn't worked. They are still, more than willing, to CHANGE the core game, again and again and again, the next time they set their sights on another group they want to entise to fork over $15 a month.
They still don't have the sub numbers they want and history has shown nothing else than they WILL do it again. The current players are no more protected against haveing their in game accomplisments, professions, items, or whatever ripped away via a patch than the playerbase at pre-CU, CU, or NGE were.
Swg is so painful to play that i've already uninstalled and started playing Eve again.
Combat blows, UI blows, animations are terrible, they can't even get the god damn landspeeder animation right.
I am sorry i even bothered, Up to this point i would normally spend atleast two weeks in a game before uninstalling. This game is terrible, Hell I even tried the space combat i laghed my ass off the whole time it was pathetic.
I love the star wars universe but SWG is a horrid excuse for a peice of software.
Better than F2p but not much else.
Edit: whoever designed that terrible Fps combat needs to DIAF.
No need to bother with this thread guys/gals. Swg is so painful to play that i've already uninstalled and started playing Eve again. Combat blows, UI blows, animations are terrible, they can't even get the god damn landspeeder animation right. I am sorry i even bothered, Up to this point i would normally spend atleast two weeks in a game before uninstalling. This game is terrible, Hell I even tried the space combat i laghed my ass off the whole time it was pathetic. I love the star wars universe but SWG is a horrid excuse for a peice of software. Better than F2p but not much else. Edit: whoever designed that terrible Fps combat needs to DIAF.
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Ah, another satisified customer! Sorry you didn't find what you were looking for in SWG, I don't think that many do. What a shame and what a waiste of a great IP.
Wow, that was interesting to see Z3R01 change his stance on SWG frame by frame; having fun -> half retarded animation and difficult UI -> UI sucks, combat sucks, going back to EVE.
I know a few people that still play SWG, I don't care that they do but the reason they stated to why they still play is the people they knew and like to play with even though they know the game isn't as good as it used to be, I tried to enjoy the game with the people but the game got in the way too often and I couldn't enjoy it any further.
No need to bother with this thread guys/gals. Swg is so painful to play that i've already uninstalled and started playing Eve again. Combat blows, UI blows, animations are terrible, they can't even get the god damn landspeeder animation right. I am sorry i even bothered, Up to this point i would normally spend atleast two weeks in a game before uninstalling. This game is terrible, Hell I even tried the space combat i laghed my ass off the whole time it was pathetic. I love the star wars universe but SWG is a horrid excuse for a peice of software. Better than F2p but not much else. Edit: whoever designed that terrible Fps combat needs to DIAF.
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lol...welcome to the club. You are now officially a SWG vet.
Wow, that was interesting to see Z3R01 change his stance on SWG frame by frame; having fun -> half retarded animation and difficult UI -> UI sucks, combat sucks, going back to EVE.
I know a few people that still play SWG, I don't care that they do but the reason they stated to why they still play is the people they knew and like to play with even though they know the game isn't as good as it used to be, I tried to enjoy the game with the people but the game got in the way too often and I couldn't enjoy it any further.
My experience exactly. The game got in the way of having fun with the excellent people I had met. If the game gets in the way of having fun, there's something very wrong happening.
Wow, that was interesting to see Z3R01 change his stance on SWG frame by frame; having fun -> half retarded animation and difficult UI -> UI sucks, combat sucks, going back to EVE.
I know a few people that still play SWG, I don't care that they do but the reason they stated to why they still play is the people they knew and like to play with even though they know the game isn't as good as it used to be, I tried to enjoy the game with the people but the game got in the way too often and I couldn't enjoy it any further.
Yeah I'm sorry I actually tried to defend a game off of 15 hours of play.
I'm a huge SW universe fanboi, dude I even played republic commando (clone wars squad based FPS on ps2) for over 200 hours. Yeah im a SW nut.
If the animiations were better and they gave me an option for Tab targetting type gameplay I would of stuck with a sub par game.
The Fps controls and UI are so painful to use, the space combat is really clunky and the stupid animations. It looks like SoE took about 70% of the combat animations they aren't fluid at all.
Do the SoE devs even play this game? why havent they axed that terrible UI and fixed all the other problems?
Hell, If someone can spend 20 hours in a game and see glaring issues with it you would think the devs would fix the problems.
Sorry for my light to darkside shift in this thread but the glaring problems with this game brought it out of me.
Edit: I just picked up SW:the force unleased and even though it has flaws the combat is sick so atleast i have some type of SW game to play
Wow, that was interesting to see Z3R01 change his stance on SWG frame by frame; having fun -> half retarded animation and difficult UI -> UI sucks, combat sucks, going back to EVE.
I know a few people that still play SWG, I don't care that they do but the reason they stated to why they still play is the people they knew and like to play with even though they know the game isn't as good as it used to be, I tried to enjoy the game with the people but the game got in the way too often and I couldn't enjoy it any further.
Yeah I'm sorry I actually tried to defend a game off of 15 hours of play. I'm a huge SW universe fanboi, dude I even played republic commando (clone wars squad based FPS on ps2) for over 200 hours. Yeah im a SW nut. If the animiations were better and they gave me an option for Tab targetting type gameplay I would of stuck with a sub par game. The Fps controls and UI are so painful to use, the space combat is really clunky and the stupid animations. It looks like SoE took about 70% of the combat animations they aren't fluid at all. Do the SoE devs even play this game? why havent they axed that terrible UI and fixed all the other problems? Hell, If someone can spend 20 hours in a game and see glaring issues with it you would think the devs would fix the problems. Sorry for my light to darkside shift in this thread but the glaring problems with this game brought it out of me. Edit: I just picked up SW:the force unleased and even though it has flaws the combat is sick so atleast i have some type of SW game to play
You'll get a real good laugh if you read what the devs say about claiming to actually play this game, Blixtev claimed to have 2 pre-9 unlocked Jedi and this was completely out of the blues one day. I forget one of the devs name but said he LOVES smuggler and thinks it's the best class in ANY game, jeez, why is it the least populated combat class then? The devs are strange like that, almost everyone at SOE seems to take lying to the customers as part of their job.
Most of the animations you see are poor hackjobs of the original animations, they were much smoother back then compared to what you see now. And as for the tab targetting system, the lock-target system was my preference and so much better (play City of Heroes to see that lock-target system), when the NGE first came out and for the first year and half, it caused too many problems- you couldn't target someone/something through a crowd and when you tried to attack someone in pvp you got spammed "trying to send xxx a trade request" across the screen over and over that it stopped being funny after the first time you saw it. Tabula Rasa's psuedo-fps targeting system is what the NGE's system could have been.
There's just too many things to say what problems the NGE has.
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WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
It isn't so much the mechanics are THAT bad(well ok there bad) as it is that the mechanics are THAT MUCH WORSE than what we had.
For instance, there used to be 32 professions you could choose from that each had a skill box tree. Each skill box cost a certain amount of skill points, and each character got 250 skill points. Players were able to mix and match what ever professions they wanted to and create a very unique character. With the NGE, the majority of the 32 professions were deleted, and we were left with "9 iconic classes" that had absolutely no creativity or uniqueness about them. While before a commando could be a Master Commando with some Pistoleer and Combat Medic, afterwards a commando was a commando was a commando.
People spent months or even years trying to unlock their Jedi, but with the NGE everyone could be a Jedi with a click of a button.
Pre-CU was a level less system, where there wasn't some magic number that determined how powerful you were, but with the CU, SOE pasted a level on all of the characters for god knows why.
Crafters used to make the best gear, and the economy was run by the players, with supply and demand. The NGE changed it to a loot based economy, which made the crafter professions worthless. Oh, there used to be item decay which allowed crafters to have repeat business as items would break. The NGE removed item decay, meaning that even if a crafter managed to make something good and sell it, they would never see that customer again.
These are just some of the things that were changed off the top of my head.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it
LOL there is NOTHING going for SWG at the moment, unless you meant going down.
but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
Really? You honestly just said that? REALLY? You won't support any developer that copies another game, and then say SWG, which in it's current state is a WoW clone slapped on top of old SWG with a crappy combat system, is unique? No no. The game WAS unique, now it's just worse everything else out there right now.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.
For being the correct decision, it really hasn't turned out well has it? I would wonder what your basis for calling it the correct decision would be? I would call a correct decision a successful decision, but I have not seen SOE make a successful decision with SWG. So I ask, how was it the right decision?
The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
In a way you are right, in a way you aren't. It is apparent that we don't have any say in it, but I think this is just an isolated case. With ANY other company, a mass exodus of customers would have seen some response from the powers that be(See Coke II), but with SOE that never happened. So we didn't have any direct say, but we spoke anyway. We spoke with our feet and spread the word of what happened. So while we haven't had any effect on what has happened to the game, we have had an effect on what has happened to SOE's bottom line, or else the OP would have never made this post.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.(Irony at it's best) It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
That was really an entertaining post. Thanks for the laugh.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Think about it. Everyone who's watched this game for any period of time knows the above statement to be true, but to my knowledge SOE has never flat-out SAID it. They literally said they will continue trying to fix a broken model that has hemorrhaged subscriptions and cash than return to what they know works. That's like saying they would rather keep trying to fix the Titanic than get on a different boat that has been proven to cross the Atlantic in one piece. This kind of absolute statement usually spells corporate suicide, though in this case it's probably just the one game. So what does it mean? One of four things, IMHO:
1. They cannot come to a consensus with the IP holder (LucasArts) but still need to maintain a respectable relationship with them, so they can't say "LA won't let us rollback". (This seems most likely, as both Raph Koster and Jeff Freeman posted something like this on their blogs).
2. Their egos won't let let them admit defeat, and not shareholders nor higher-ups will deter them from their mission to make SWG into their vision. Raph Koster is the "devil", and they are doing the Lord's work by recovering from the "mess" he made.
3. Something else is coming up and in the works, hidden. Maybe SOE has something to do with it, maybe they don't, but whatever it is SWG will be put to bed at that point.
4. Some combination of the above, maybe all of them.
At the very least, it tells me we will likely never see another paid expansion from these guys for this game again. Regardless of the "fun" factor, they have to base probable sales on a percentage of their existing player base, as in 3 years they've found that they aren't going to gain very many subs at once with all the attack dogs they've created shouting the game down. There's no way they could even hope to recoup costs on an expansion that likely needs to sell in the hundreds of thousands to do so, when at best 10k people will buy it.
I think I might actually find a video were it was said im also making sure I get the right developer before I give you all a name so im going to go through pictures. Give me a few hours and ill trace this one down. This was a argument that started with a player and one of the lead developers who is still with the game. It took place when we could line up and ask questions alot of players stormed out after that comment as well. So let me see if I can pull a video on that and let me get it right on who said it with a 100 percent postive on it for you all!
There was also some other statments that Julio Torres made that there Lucas Arts PR person at the time pushed Julio Torres out of the way to try to answer. One of the statments he made at the Atlanta summits whas they did not lose all that many subs do to the NGE and I stood up at the bloodfin table and yess he was full of edit and asked him why out of my 500 people on my friends list why does no one show up on it now if you didn't lose that many. Thats when the Lucas Arts Pr edit stood up and tried to spin it even more.
So ya im pissed I was lied to as a consumer straight to my face with out evidence to there claims when I had evidence backing my claims us. We got no apoligies at the Atllanta summits I walked away with a headache from all the lies they were giving us.
This stament has been said time and time again as well THE WILL BE NO ROLL BACKS!!! I take this statment has we will never get the game that we orginally paid for so yes im going to be be very pleased when the new game they shoved at us gets shut down. I will give bad reviews on any SW MMO unless its like my orginal game that I purchased as a consumer. Give me a few to get the name on who said the statment im preety sure I know it but I want to make sure I got the right face with who said it. I think there is also a video of this as well so again give me a few to do some digging around!
I played SWG precu for about a year and a half. They deleted my profession along with several of the professions of my buddies. They took jedi which some of us worked very hard to attain and made it entry level into the game. They completely removed the skill based system they had and changed it to a level based system. They completely redesigned the combat system in secret and then sprung it on everyone out of the blue, after already revamping the combat system once before that. They lied again and again to the community, and then later said they didn't care if their current subscriber base left because they were gonna get new players to replace them.
Over 150 people in my guild went poof overnight. We were a virtual family. Friends, enemies, cantina girls, doctors, crafters, fighters, jedi....all woven together in the complex social tapestry that made the game special. And they basically wiped our game and put something none of us wanted in its place.
And you wouldn't leave negative feedback if this happened to you?
WoW was that actually said?
thats hardcore.
Anyway when I first posted this morning I was just pissed that I couldnt find a post actually breaking down SWG (currents) game mechanics and problem with said mechanics. all I found were people spewing hate.
If just one vet could post on the game mechanics and whats wrong with the game i would actually appreciate it.
Ive played 15 hours now and already know the combat is like a half retarded FPS and the UI is difficult to use.
I'm trying to look passed this since i'm a fan of the IP (movies, books, comics, console games).
I'm not a vet and only ever played NGE but will try my best
1/ SWG bears no resemblance to the mythos or canon its meant to represent, rather than being rare and powerful jedi are common as muck and absolute junk, the era its set(between eps 4 and 5) is ignored completely mostly in favour of content that i've never seen in star wars
2/ the game is bugged to hell and despite what certain SWG fanbois will tell u some of the bugs can be game killing, most of the time they r just so frustrating u'll give in and log out til u eventually have enough and leave
3/ any gameplay u like is liable to change due to SOE's chuck any crap at it they can as offen as they can mentalitly, and piss u off in the process, server i was on saw consistent population drops with every update
4/ game is now completely unbalanced due to various loot/stats/rewards/buffs that have been added
5/ the ground combat mechanics are broken and cause large amounts of lag to most players, u need a high end comp to run the game smoothly. I'm guessing these mechanics where meant for the PVP side of the game so of course SOE have destroyed the PVP in one way or another making the bad combat system pointless with a ui thats just not good
6/ Most updates aren't done properly and are contradictory to other updates or even parts of the update they accompany leading to a game which is a complete mess
7/ Best aspect to the game was the community which has taken a downturn recently due to a small group of fanbois and some immature idiots now coming into the game they can now dominate
8/ SOE's bad reputation is well deserved, they lie at every oportunity and do anything they can to squeeze more money out of star wars fans. Unlike other games that make there money from having a decent product SOE tries to make their money from SWG purely because its a star wars license so don't bother makin it a decent game
9/ this game may have once been inovative etc but SOE only copy other titles and r trying to make a wow clone now mixed with an LOTRO clone(without any of the storylines or graphics that go with)
this list could go on more btw
most vets get free vet months so they r up on the current game when they post, i guess some may just post to flame(but then SOE did lie/cheat/steal from them) but for every one of those there is a fanbois that is prepared to lie about the stae of the game and it's more likely that they do more damage with their lies than the vets could ever do.
give it an update or 2 b4 u compare this game with others out there for a fuller insight
This game has a poor population due to it being a poor game vets have next to nothing to do with it as SOE's lack of morals and capability gets to most ppl eventually, be they casual, hardcore, rper's, gameplayers or whatsoever
Here is the only video that I have been able to find http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6089319535205801042 This video gets cut out at the end of it. The guy in the red hat said How many subscriptions is it going to take you to lose before you roll back the game? They replied there will be no roll backs. Then he asked so you guys would rather let the game die before a roll back and there response was there will be no roll backs ever! So whatever you can call BS or whatever you want to do we all have heard the statments before its nothing new. Spin it how you want to I know exactly what was said and what was also promised to us at that summit. If you really want to go into what was said and what was not then bring up the Chapter 4 release notes on player bases and getting new games and totally revamped system. Or how about the Lava turrets and Acid turrets as well. Ill be more then happy to point out to SOE employess who call BS and want links to stuff a whole list of stuff that was said and promised. Plaese keep spinning this trash of a game maybe some 10 year olds will think that thousands are lying and BSing the rest of the minorties!
There should be some talks about it here as well http://thegalaxyreport.libsyn.org/index.php?post_id=78208#
When I tried to convince my friends to play they all said the game gets so much hate from the community that it is seen as uncool to actually play this.
I think your friends have some security issues if they won't try it because "it is seen as uncool" to play it especially when there are so many other reasons not to play it.
Have the old vets of Swg done that much damage to the player base of Swg?
The truth of the matter is the vets have not done nearly as much damage to the game as SOE themselves have. I would fall directly into the category of those burned by SWG directly my main was a CH and my initial response was not to quit there were factors beyond the control of SOE for me leaving ultimately but there is always something to be learned from watching the way a company handles it's customer base as well as it's general history. When the decisions were made to change the game and it became obvious they wouldn't work why not at least appease those you had burned in the first place? I want to reiterate at this time I was not mad at SOE still not for that matter but when I know that you aren't finding success anyway and are still not willing to fix the issues those who left wanted fixed how could I possibly trust that my desires would be considered later?
Do these players not realize that some hardcore SW fanbois would actually still enjoy this game?
Again I think you have to fault SOE for this because as I mentioned above about general history this game has had a history of "bad implimentation" it was always more buggy than less and it was never highly engaging. Even before things like the CU and NGE this game had bugs galore now at this point with so many games without bugs and technical issues it really does become almost impossible to tolerate the sheer volume of problems this game had. And though I've heard they have tried to do a few things story wise once again there efforts pale in comparison to a game like LOTRO or even wow for that matter a game they themselves as much as admitted to trying to more or less emulate.
I'm basically sitting here with no rl friends to play with because old players feel the need to spread negative feedback due to a grudge with the company?
Again at the end of the day video game fans only want a good game to play even those angered by the nge many of them way more angry than me have resubbed to trash the game or do other things and ultimately swg has slipped again there is nothing to keep the players there. I can't recall which was first JTL or Trial s but there has been nothing else since then. Something as simple as an expansion and maybe the offer of a free download to returning players who quit around nge would have been smart but this game has been dead in the water since the mass defection it suffered and they have done very little to change that. Heck a cheaper alternative than the one I mentioned above may have been a few classic servers to atleast allow yourself the chance to silence your critics while you worked on this your main game, but once again I reiterate SOE dropped the ball they have done nothing to stop the bleeding.
After about ten hours of play I can easily see that this game is better than every F2p and a couple P2p mmos (TR being one of them).
Being better than some games isn't enough to make a person play a game and honestly if you have angered people the way SOE has you will only naturally be held to an even higher standard than that. I myself have been tempted to re-sub because the fanboy in me wants to play both a decent sci fi game and a star wars game but this game just hasn't done enough to make me want to play it since I know it isn't what I played before nor is it fun (for me atleast)
It's almost like MMO terrorism, I feel bad for the current Swg playerbase.
I think of it much more as mmo suicide I mean it's not like Bill Gates is leading the charge this is Sony we are talking about and it's pretty pathetic that they have not thrown huge amounts of money at this problem I have heard people say they would not touch anything sony (I believe them to) and though I'm a big playstation fan and hence the rest of sony it makes me personally feel insignificant when I see they have angered so many of their other loyal customers and don't care, I feel bad for the current SWG playerbase as well but really because this game is virtually the same as it was a month after the NGE which means that SOE has also written them off as well as the vets.
It just seems silly to me to have people sway others away from a mmo like that.
Other than your friends I don't see that anyone is terrorizing anyone into not trying this game they don't advertise it they don't build upon it in any way resembling an mmo(this trading card game) SOE has or should have more resources to convince the public the vets aren't right but again nothing.
I want to end this by saying I have never considered myself an "SWG vet",atleast not how they are described on message boards. I have never started a post against SOE or SWG but have lent my opinion to topics, but I'm not blind either if SOE with the only liscense for Star Wars can't get me more excited than Blizzard,Turbine or even castlethorn for that matter why trust that at the least they would not consider treating me the way they have everyone else.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
Nobody in the gaming world cares what the current players think. Current players willingly pay to play a beta and their efforts keep the gaming industry stuck in the dark ages. Good times.
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Great post. Hopefully this will show that the game is reviled because it's now a bad game...not just because of what the vets say about it.
And that's why the current playerbase of SWG absolutely hates the people on this forum.
Nobody in the gaming world cares what the current players think. Current players willingly pay to play a beta and their efforts keep the gaming industry stuck in the dark ages. Good times.
I think what you meant to say is that nobody in the gaming world cares what the viral marketers, paid flunkies and delusional fanbois on mmorpg.com think.
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
EQ2 is much more like WoW now, than it was when it was released. EQ2 is almost an entirely different game than it was when it launched (which is a good thing, because SOE rushed EQ2 out the door to beat WoW to launch, and the game was a complete mess). EQ2 is still suffering from the poor condition it was launched in and will never even reach EQ's heights because of it.
Blizzard took a lot from EQ and EQ's predecessors, DikuMUD and its MUD progeny. Hell, it would be quite a feat for Blizzard to have ripped off EQ2 in nineteen days, but as I already said, EQ2 is much more like WoW now, than it was when it launched. WoW is much more like the game it was at launch than EQ2 is to the game it was at launch. To put it plainly, SOE were the ones playing follow the leader with WoW. EQ2 was a semi-successful attempt, SWG was a complete and utter failure (both the CU and NGE were attempts to make SWG appeal to WoW's playerbase, and both did more harm than good).
Anyway, as has been pointed out several times in this thread already, SWG has such a poor reputation, not because of disgruntled former players defaming it, but because it is a horrible and unfun mess of a game. The only thing going for it is the Star Wars skin, and even that can't make up for the god awful gameplay. If the NGE game was fun, there would be many times more people playing it than the current anemic player population. The fact of the matter is that it isn't, so it doesn't. The current dev team can add all the instances and collection grinds in the world, and it won't make the core game fun. That is the simple problem with the NGE game, and it is the one problem that SOE is unwilling to fix.
Thanks H.H.
. It's easy for me to speak well of current players because some of my good friends still play the game. And as you say, if anyone enjoys the game I really am glad for them.
If I post any critiques it's generally about some unfixed bugs, unfulfilled promises, or new developments that don't seem player friendly. The aim of all of these is for SWG to be a positive experience for gamers and/or StarWars fans, and for consumers not be duped or ripped off by an MMO company with questionable ethics.
SWG has very cool virtual worlds, excellent exploration, great music, great character customization etc. Some of the restored features like camps are also very cool.
As for criticisms about unfixed bugs or the way players have been treated, yeah I've posted some negative things, but they were all true, and I think people have a right to know how SOE has treated people and managed their game.
So to the O.P., have fun and best wishes. Also, check the O-boards for some threads offering help to new or returning players. Some of the people in that online community are still some of the best people you'll ever meet.
Oh, and if you steer clear of spending a ton of cash hoping to get virtual loot from the random card packs, and if you only subscribe a month at a time, you may avoid some of the pitfalls others have fallen into. Also check out O-board threads on current bugs/issues so you can avoid some ingame frustrations. Some of the stuff works, some doesn't. The stuff that does is probably a lot more fun
Oh yeah, and I feel that in all fairness you should be cautioned about getting too attached to things about the game that you really like. Things tend to change frequently. If you're the kind of person that can avoid getting attached to ingame accomplishments or specific features, maybe you'll be alright. I'm just not that kind of gamer. I like to build things over time, enjoy the progress and the end result.
Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
LOL! did I say my friends play WoW? currently the RL friends I have play Eve and now Ryzom.
Some players don't like being ridiculed for playing a specific mmo.
Anyway I'll agree on your FFXI comment that game is actually really good.
Eq2 however is simple bullshit. don't even know how you could put EQ2 and FF in the same sentence.
remember people play mmos for fun and to me and my friends forums are a part of an mmo experience If they are being attacked for playing Swg they wouldn't be having much fun. I understand why they won't try it and theres enough people on the server im on now to actually group with players so its ok.
Oh and don't be so fast to down wow, from what i've seen both the combat and UI are light years ahead of SWg actually the combat and UI in Swg seems as buggy as a mmo in Alpha. it's not easy for me to look passed this, but im trying.
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OP you have nice and cool friends , do your good and follow their advices, they meant to help you.
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Your friends sound like the same type of players that have flocked into WOW.They find it uncool to support SWG a fine development with a lot of things going for it,but would support a blatant rip off in WOW,a game that copied EQ2 99%.I can NEVER respect any player that pays developers money for outright trash,WOW may not be outright trash as they were trying to copy the original EQ but i am sure they were surprised to see how much better EQ2 was than WOW.I would ALSO NOT support any developer that copies another game.SWG is a unique product and deserves some credit,no matter what anyone thinks about the direction they took.
It's a game ,they make decisions and stick by it,they don't force anyone to play there product,they just try to make something good and hope the public plays it.Usually what happens is that the public starts crying "It's too hard" or its too easy,or they don't like this or that lol,it's never ending.Then the best is when there is any failure they blame the DEV for not listening to joe blow ..RFLMAO.Falling subs equals problems LONG before anyone starts opening there mouths.SOE made the CORRECT decisions ,as they were losing subs to the casual players.The big problem was that the casual players were just leaving and not throwing little hissy fits,like the vets who complained nobody was listening to them lol.Like i said it is THERE game NOT yours,you have ZERO say in it's direction unless they ask you for it,so crying about it for many years later is just childish.
The VETS have won NOTHING trust me,now they don't have any community either and it was there fave game to play,so they blew it for themselves,future players and SOE,the VETS can suffer along with SWG .LOL i don't know maybe the Vets are spending there cold hard cash on a game like WOW now..rflmao .BLizzard is thanking all there customers for supporting EQ1[ cheaper graphics],with a different name all over again.
Best developed games on the market right now are FFXI>EQ2[changed a bit over time]>Vanguard>SWG.Everything else is a cheap rip off or just a cheap ass developed game.It's so bad right now i find myself playing UT99 more than any MMORPG right now.Ya that's a game made 9 years ago lol.I'll be waiting for Square enix's next MMORPG,they are the besrt developers on the planet,others EVEN the beloved BLizzard are light years behind them for DESIGN/uniqueness/Storyline.
LOL! did I say my friends play WoW? currently the RL friends I have play Eve and now Ryzom.
Some players don't like being ridiculed for playing a specific mmo.
Anyway I'll agree on your FFXI comment that game is actually really good.
Eq2 however is simple bullshit. don't even know how you could put EQ2 and FF in the same sentence.
remember people play mmos for fun and to me and my friends forums are a part of an mmo experience If they are being attacked for playing Swg they wouldn't be having much fun. I understand why they won't try it and theres enough people on the server im on now to actually group with players so its ok.
Oh and don't be so fast to down wow, from what i've seen both the combat and UI are light years ahead of SWg actually the combat and UI in Swg seems as buggy as a mmo in Alpha. it's not easy for me to look passed this, but im trying.
As for whether or not it's "cool" to play a certain MMO, well I'm not sure if that's playground politics or if people are just having a hard time explaining themselves.
For example, I don't play a particular MMO to be "cool." At the same time when I think of SWG, this is what comes to mind: I lost all my mastered professions in that game, and so did all of my online friends. All of my online creature handler friends lost all of their pets. All of my entertainer and crafting friends lost most of their usefulness in the game. Many of the good animations in the game were taken out. Much of the enjoyable content was deleted. All unlocked force enhancements for combat attributes were deleted. Unlocked jedi skill trees were also deleted. With the NGE 17 pages worth of bugs and issues were introduced, including being unable to use combat specials, being unable to chat, being unable to move, and having heals heal enemies. Additionally, the new fps game format was promised collision detection, and never got it. So you have fps, but enemies can shoot you through walls. You can't by the way return fire because you don't know where they are. On top of this serious bugs like falling through the map and having your group unable to enter certain instances together were left in the game, along with things like broken waypoint arrows for group members. That's the mechanical problems and loss issues.
Now for the business ethics. SOE marketted profession revamps, took subscription money based on these promises, then deleted these professions instead of revamping them, and kept the subscription money. They also marketted an expansion with features for the professions they planned to delete. People did get money back for the expansion when there was talk of class action lawsuits and letters written to the Attorney General's office.
O.k. now, in light of all of these mechanical issues, losses to players, and ethical concerns, if someone says, "hey man do you want to play SWG, I think it's fun," I might summarize my thoughts and feelings by replying, "no thanks, that game is not cool."
Having said all of that, I still think the virtual worlds are excellent, that the character creation is great, that exploring the worlds is fun, that the StarWars music is "cool," especially on Lok, and that there are some really good people left in the game. There used to be a lot more, but some remain. So, if you have fun, I'm glad, still. I also do hope you'll avoid some of the current pitfalls and frustrations. At the same time, maybe this information can help you understand why many people shy away from this game as long as its being run by the same guy that pulled all the crap.
If you want to play a game, then play it.
If you think negative feedback is the only thing holding SWG back, I'd say you're wrong. If the game itself were good enough, then it would overcome the negative feedback and be a solid game or even a 'success'.
Sure, some of the negative press about SWG is coming from posters that have probably never played the game. They just jump in and flame SWG because everyone does.
But...
Most of the negative feedback about SWG is valid.
Most of the negative feedback about SWG comes from vet's that were burned by SOE OR by players that have tried to play the game recently and found it to be the bad game that it is.
It's really hard for me to look at SWG and then games like the Force Unleashed. What SOE did to the SW IP is really sad. If I were to try to play SWG after having played the Force Unleashed... it would be like time-warping back to ColecoVision days.
SOE will continue to roll things out in SWG that their focus group approves of. Every once in a while, they will throw the other customers a bone and give them something they have been wanting for 2 years or longer. But, they won't ever roll-back.... not even Rick could Roll SOE/SWG.
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Thanks H.H.
. It's easy for me to speak well of current players because some of my good friends still play the game. And as you say, if anyone enjoys the game I really am glad for them.
If I post any critiques it's generally about some unfixed bugs, unfulfilled promises, or new developments that don't seem player friendly. The aim of all of these is for SWG to be a positive experience for gamers and/or StarWars fans, and for consumers not be duped or ripped off by an MMO company with questionable ethics.
SWG has very cool virtual worlds, excellent exploration, great music, great character customization etc. Some of the restored features like camps are also very cool.
As for criticisms about unfixed bugs or the way players have been treated, yeah I've posted some negative things, but they were all true, and I think people have a right to know how SOE has treated people and managed their game.
So to the O.P., have fun and best wishes. Also, check the O-boards for some threads offering help to new or returning players. Some of the people in that online community are still some of the best people you'll ever meet.
Oh, and if you steer clear of spending a ton of cash hoping to get virtual loot from the random card packs, and if you only subscribe a month at a time, you may avoid some of the pitfalls others have fallen into. Also check out O-board threads on current bugs/issues so you can avoid some ingame frustrations. Some of the stuff works, some doesn't. The stuff that does is probably a lot more fun
Oh yeah, and I feel that in all fairness you should be cautioned about getting too attached to things about the game that you really like. Things tend to change frequently. If you're the kind of person that can avoid getting attached to ingame accomplishments or specific features, maybe you'll be alright. I'm just not that kind of gamer. I like to build things over time, enjoy the progress and the end result.
Excellant post, Arc. Your last paragraph is what bothered me the most.
During my time at SWG, I found ways to "work around" the bugs, and there were many. I do not wish to "bash" the existing players, if they have found some entertainment in the game, still, more power to them.
But, I am not afraid to warn potential players that their in game accomplishments are just complete fodder for $OE Austin to CHANGE or delete at their beckon whim. Before C6, I had farmed (another grind) for clothes drops for months to be able to solo/take part in game content as I was on a low population server, even then. Groups were hard to find and the only way to be able to enjoy the "group" content was mostly be able to solo it. Kauri was not a large pop server, even then. Another grind for clothes drop came at C5 for "35s". The Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade CHANGED all that I, and everyone else, had accomplished, and what Fisher and I told them along with over 2000 other posts, came to pass. Most of the content became group and was unavailable on a low pop server. About 1/2, as far as I could tell, of the existing population quit out of boredom. Then, the server transfers came into play as PVP was hit hard via the loss in population. Kauri went from a ghost server to a dead server in a matter of months. Kauri was not the only server to go through this, either. Most of them did, (20 or so) as there are currently, maybe, 3 - 5 servers that can support the "new" gameplay.
It's really easy to look back, now, and see the development plan that Deadmeat and Blixtev laid on the table at their "take-over" after C5. It was notheing more than another NGE, this time only done in increments instead of 1 massive patch. And, for the same reason as NGE. They went after the "WoW" crowd with NGE and lost all the "vets". With C6CD - through the next year, they went after the "vets" they lost and lost over half of the playerbase they did have. In all of these CHANGES SWG has seen, $OE seems more than willing to go after another playerbase of subscribers, that they don't have, and are more than willing to sacrifice the subscribers, they do have, to get it. NONE of these CHANGES have worked as far as getting that elusive playerbase and has only cost them subs for their trouble. The main problem is, with 3 massive revamps of the game, now, $OE still has NOT figured out why it hasn't worked. They are still, more than willing, to CHANGE the core game, again and again and again, the next time they set their sights on another group they want to entise to fork over $15 a month.
They still don't have the sub numbers they want and history has shown nothing else than they WILL do it again. The current players are no more protected against haveing their in game accomplisments, professions, items, or whatever ripped away via a patch than the playerbase at pre-CU, CU, or NGE were.
No need to bother with this thread guys/gals.
Swg is so painful to play that i've already uninstalled and started playing Eve again.
Combat blows, UI blows, animations are terrible, they can't even get the god damn landspeeder animation right.
I am sorry i even bothered, Up to this point i would normally spend atleast two weeks in a game before uninstalling. This game is terrible, Hell I even tried the space combat i laghed my ass off the whole time it was pathetic.
I love the star wars universe but SWG is a horrid excuse for a peice of software.
Better than F2p but not much else.
Edit: whoever designed that terrible Fps combat needs to DIAF.
peace
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Ah, another satisified customer! Sorry you didn't find what you were looking for in SWG, I don't think that many do. What a shame and what a waiste of a great IP.
Wow, that was interesting to see Z3R01 change his stance on SWG frame by frame; having fun -> half retarded animation and difficult UI -> UI sucks, combat sucks, going back to EVE.
I know a few people that still play SWG, I don't care that they do but the reason they stated to why they still play is the people they knew and like to play with even though they know the game isn't as good as it used to be, I tried to enjoy the game with the people but the game got in the way too often and I couldn't enjoy it any further.
lol...welcome to the club. You are now officially a SWG vet.
My experience exactly. The game got in the way of having fun with the excellent people I had met. If the game gets in the way of having fun, there's something very wrong happening.
Yeah I'm sorry I actually tried to defend a game off of 15 hours of play.
I'm a huge SW universe fanboi, dude I even played republic commando (clone wars squad based FPS on ps2) for over 200 hours. Yeah im a SW nut.
If the animiations were better and they gave me an option for Tab targetting type gameplay I would of stuck with a sub par game.
The Fps controls and UI are so painful to use, the space combat is really clunky and the stupid animations. It looks like SoE took about 70% of the combat animations they aren't fluid at all.
Do the SoE devs even play this game? why havent they axed that terrible UI and fixed all the other problems?
Hell, If someone can spend 20 hours in a game and see glaring issues with it you would think the devs would fix the problems.
Sorry for my light to darkside shift in this thread but the glaring problems with this game brought it out of me.
Edit: I just picked up SW:the force unleased and even though it has flaws the combat is sick so atleast i have some type of SW game to play
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Most of the animations you see are poor hackjobs of the original animations, they were much smoother back then compared to what you see now. And as for the tab targetting system, the lock-target system was my preference and so much better (play City of Heroes to see that lock-target system), when the NGE first came out and for the first year and half, it caused too many problems- you couldn't target someone/something through a crowd and when you tried to attack someone in pvp you got spammed "trying to send xxx a trade request" across the screen over and over that it stopped being funny after the first time you saw it. Tabula Rasa's psuedo-fps targeting system is what the NGE's system could have been.
There's just too many things to say what problems the NGE has.