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Order and Destruction need better healers...
Kailash
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Well for one I consider myself a Pro-healer. I dont DPS unless I have time to DPS, which is extremly rare in RvR because there is ALWAYS someone taking damage. But I noticed what most healers think is that there heals are some sort of luxury they give to there teammates which in fact it should be there PRIMARY concern. If you want to DPS role a Sorc/BW. Dont role a class which you will be useless as.
Everytime and I mean EVERYtime I step in the battlefield and we are losing right away the game is completly turned around and we start owning because of my heals which means healers arent doing what there suppose to be doing. Battle rezzing is also a key factor for us. Specifically on key classes like tanks//healers.
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Haha crap it canceled my last post then all of sudden posted it again...plz delete this one
In my opinion, you just gotta give it time. People are still playing around with this and that in the game, and no one is really ready to settle into a role. Even people who are healers from other games are being distracted away from their normally passive roles.
If you build it, they will come.
If you play it, they will heal.
I promise.
Don't draw fire. It irritates the people around you.
Friendly fire - isn't.
When in doubt empty the magazine.
Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
Some classes, IE Shaman and Archmage, actully get a bonus to there healing by doing damage. People just need to learn to maximize it. On my shaman I constantly went around 13k damage and 17k healing in scenarios.
Hopefully they do not turn out like the Alliance idiots from that other game, and never learn.
Kailish,
Hate to break it to you friend, well no I don't... WAR was not designed to use support classes like in every other MMO. Healers are meant to get into the fray, same as any class. In fact, some healers have to do damage in order to cast heals. So maybe think about that the next time you start to critique the way others are playing their own class. Better yet, play a healer to level 10 and understand what it takes. Having the ability to heal in WAR is not like having the ability to heal in other games. It was designed this way on purpose.
Love,
Fat Gamer
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nah flex healers still need to heal or people will die.....
plain and simple.. you CAN heal, others can NOT... so you SHOULD to be most efective.
besides, you get more RP for healing than you do for nuking...
Did you read what he posted, to maximize healing some class's must do dmg. Both shaman and warrior priest need to be doing dmg to do their best at healing.
Healing in PUG'S has always been awefull and even worse here so far.
First of all my main is 29 zealot...second I was talking about the REAL healers (zealots and runepriest). 3rd shammies dont HAVE to do DPS to heal, the amount of time u heal also effects the potency of your heal effects. So maybe you should get more experience before posting....
O and btw my zealots heals are WAAAAAAAY more efficient then my DPS. I contribute 30 times more then DPSing. WAR is designed like most games. If you role ahealer you heal, if you role a DPS you DPS...
And let me guess your the type to stand back and try and compete with DPS against the real damage dealers with your rune priest eh?
Heh, you should change this thread topic, looks like a double post but it's actually a little different.
I wouldn't take the scenario being lost as neccessarily a sign that healing isn't being done. There's a lot of battles I attend where my side (or the enemy side) loses, and I read the readerboard and what do I see? The losing side actually had the most healing going on!
The trick is that there's more to it than healing. It's actually more of a test of who has the most combat-aware players. Whether you're playing a Tanker, DPS, or Healing, if you're just tooling around and spamming the nearest target your enemy is simply going to outmanuever you.
First of all my main is 29 zealot...second I was talking about the REAL healers (zealots and runepriest). 3rd shammies dont HAVE to do DPS to heal, the amount of time u heal also effects the potency of your heal effects. So maybe you should get more experience before posting....
And let me guess your the type to stand back and try and compete with DPS against the real damage dealers with your rune priest eh?
I play a shaman. I do have to do damage to increase the strength of my heals. So maybe it is YOU that needs to get more experience, you bastard dark elf! *grin*
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Ya I agree. Usually when something like that goes on tho is because your teams DPS and tanks suck. Or the other teams DPS was smart enough to go straight for the healers so 90% of the heals were given to the healer himself.
Ya I agree. Usually when something like that goes on tho is because your teams DPS and tanks suck. Or the other teams DPS was smart enough to go straight for the healers so 90% of the heals were given to the healer himself.
The point is we all need to work TOGETHER in scenarios and not individually. That's how you win.
Ya I agree. Usually when something like that goes on tho is because your teams DPS and tanks suck. Or the other teams DPS was smart enough to go straight for the healers so 90% of the heals were given to the healer himself.
The point is we all need to work TOGETHER in scnearios and not individually. That's how you win.
Ya i dont expect much out of a pug tho. Except people that do what there job requires heh. And of course Guild teams got the coordination down pack. So I think we should just start with the first step and thats people doing what there class is suppose to be for lol
I don't think you can really take one day of the CE Head Start and make conclusions that both factions need better healers. Wait until a lot of players are actually R40/RR80, and THEN complain about healers.
You also mentioned you were only talking about the "REAL healers", which in your mind is the Rune Priest or Zealot... so then what's a Shaman/Archmage, or Warrior Priest/Disciple of Khaine? All those careers are very adept at healing and can top healing charts whenever they are played effectively.
Ok, well if u take a bad ass DoK and have him compete in heals against a bad ass zealot or runepriest. Trust me Zealot /rune priest will win.
Zealots and rune priest are the pure healers unlike the other healers which are hybrids.
Also my conclsuions are coming from Cbeta and Obeta. Sadly im not in the CE headstart hah. Or else my ass wouldnt be talking on these forums lolz
The lack of experience and skill of people playing their classes is hardly not to be expected from an mmo thats just leaving beta. Cut them a lil break and give them time. Plus, being that your a Pro-healer, maybe you just need to get used to the idea that your just better than everyone else and will have to tolerate all the lesser beings lack of skill. Harsh thing to have to accept I know, but it seems like you'll be able to handle it. :P
The lack of experience and skill of people playing their classes is hardly not to be expected from an mmo thats just leaving beta. Cut them a lil break and give them time. Plus, being that your a Pro-healer, maybe you just need to get used to the idea that your just better than everyone else and will have to tolerate all the lesser beings lack of skill. Harsh thing to have to accept I know, but it seems like you'll be able to handle it. :P
Haha. Sadly your right. It just pisses me off is all. And ya i think im getting alittle ahead of myself. But still pointing out that healers should be healing is good to point out pre official release so peeps are ready hehe
Ok, well if u take a bad ass DoK and have him compete in heals against a bad ass zealot or runepriest. Trust me Zealot /rune priest will win.
Zealots and rune priest are the pure healers unlike the other healers which are hybrids.
Also my conclsuions are coming from Cbeta and Obeta. Sadly im not in the CE headstart hah. Or else my ass wouldnt be talking on these forums lolz
I think you are too focused on the Rune Priest and Zealot, being the "pro healer" that you keep saying you are, and are ignoring the benefits of the other healing classes.
A good Mork Shaman can beat a good Zealot any day in healing. Being able to spam that one instant heal is not going to make you the best. I understand that you think you're a "pro healer," but all the support classes can excel in healing, not just the Zealot/Rune Priest. Different healers will have the advantage in different situations.
First of all my main is 29 zealot...second I was talking about the REAL healers (zealots and runepriest). 3rd shammies dont HAVE to do DPS to heal, the amount of time u heal also effects the potency of your heal effects. So maybe you should get more experience before posting....
O and btw my zealots heals are WAAAAAAAY more efficient then my DPS. I contribute 30 times more then DPSing. WAR is designed like most games. If you role ahealer you heal, if you role a DPS you DPS...
And let me guess your the type to stand back and try and compete with DPS against the real damage dealers with your rune priest eh?
What if I have to DPS to heal? Oh wait someone already pointed that out to you
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Ok, well if u take a bad ass DoK and have him compete in heals against a bad ass zealot or runepriest. Trust me Zealot /rune priest will win.
Zealots and rune priest are the pure healers unlike the other healers which are hybrids.
Also my conclsuions are coming from Cbeta and Obeta. Sadly im not in the CE headstart hah. Or else my ass wouldnt be talking on these forums lolz
I think you are too focused on the Rune Priest and Zealot, being the "pro healer" that you keep saying you are, and are ignoring the benefits of the other healing classes.
A good Mork Shaman can beat a good Zealot any day in healing. Being able to spam that one instant heal is not going to make you the best. I understand that you think you're a "pro healer," but all the support classes can excel in healing, not just the Zealot/Rune Priest. Different healers will have the advantage in different situations.
Ya I agree about the different situation thing. But when a healer DOESNT heal at ALL. That guy isnt useing his char correctly. I mean yes DoK needs to do damage but when he does have his healing meter up at full and is not healing then he is NOT useing his char to its fulliest potencial and those are the guys im really talking about.
O btw when i say Pro healer about myself im not trying to say im better then you or whatever all im saying is that Ima healer and thats what I do. I dont play the wanna be Sorc type of role.
This is an age old problem and nothing unique to Warhammer.
Sure it winds me up when I'm playing a tank, I'm on about 25% health and a healer rocks up and I'm taking on 3 guys (I think to myself "I'm saved") and then the first thing the healer does is start to wail on the guys.... I die, then the healer dies... Oh, I wonder if that could have gone differently.
This post is directed at that fuckhead Archmage who should have rolled a Bright Wizard. Thanks.
Haha bro thats awsome
Um yeah the healers are not healing much other than themselves. Only some were doing much a decent job.
But also they are not meant to exclusively heal or they are much less effective. It will take some time for people to feel it all out and get used to it.
An ARchrmage that sits back and heals is actually a worse clutch healer than a nuker. In general if therre are multiple AM probably they should get together and decide who is burst healing and who is burst damage and who is maintenance healing and maybe someone doing a bit of both..
To be fair other people are not setting up proper tactics with healers and are doing things to make things difficult as well.
For example i kept breaking a WP line of sight on my tank in one engangement. Partially that was from lag. I really had to relog it was just too choppy and i could not tell what was going, but also I didn't know he was even healing me. But there was a huge zerg aon both sides and people wre going all over the place.
I was a little harsh in my example, I'm not saying that healers shouldn't deal damage, the Shaman, Archmage, Warrior Priest, Disciple of Khaine all become better healers or actually need to do this to maintain healing when they're hurting things as well.
When everyone is pretty much topped up on health go batshit crazy and have a ball, but the priority for a healer, surprisingly enough, is to heal.
I like playing a healer, did it in DAoC, EQ2, CoX, WOW and just about any other MMO. Mostly out of neccesity (someone has to do it) and I'm a good healer. Oddly enough due to healers being actually viable and needed and thus played alot I (get to) to play something else :P
But I'm sure at some point I'll get annoyed again and go "ok, I'll do it" and roll a RP :P
I agree, it's all about communication and tactics.
I'm curious though, as a Warrior Priest is a front line healer and should have been beating on pretty much the same guy as you, how did you keep losing line of sight?