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Hi-Res Textures?
johnnychangs
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I played in closed beta for quite some time. I recall people complaining about the graphics, and people said "At launch there will be a Hi-Res client with higher resolution textures."
So, those of you that have the live client and are playing Early Access....Are the graphics the same as in Open Beta? I was kind of disappointed with the lack of customization in the system options ingame.
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I think so, I dont notice a difference. I think that was just a rumor.
I honestly dont think the graphics are that bad on max though. Aside from AoC, what fantasy MMO has better graphics?
I would not be to concerned about it.
This is not a game for those that are out there to sniff the flowers and view the scenery.
It is a game where 50 to 100 players really can get into a mix-up in the open world.
You really do not want the system trying to render a ton of custom graphics. You want it to look good, and to have great performance with little or no lag.
Myhic has achieved this, and it works.
I am thinking of turning Shadows off to give my performance a bit of a boost.
I much prefer not lagging when in RvR to seeing other characters and scenery shadows.
Good Hunting
The graphics aren't terrible, but they aren't the best. You can tell the art team focused more on using optical illusion styled textures to make things appear 3 dimensional in order to keep things running smoothly (i.e. the lines used for the muscles on arms of character models accentuate bulginess although it is still a 2 dimensional bump map). While this is true for most games, Warhammer appears to be using it more often than not on a lot of textures.
One thing to think about, though, is what this game entails. There will be a lot of people fighting at one time. It takes a LOT to render that many players on a screen. If anyone has played Planetside, you know the strain a system endured trying to render hundreds of players at once. EA Mythic's remedy to this is to use bump mapping to make it look 3 dimensional and detailed from a further distance, while all-in-all, it is just a well-done 2D bump map. That is why your character's face looks blurred in the creation screen, but looks much better once you load it into the game.
I think the graphics were purposely coordinated to be more artistic than groundbreaking in order to forego the same plight Planetside went through. I would, and I am sure they would as well, much rather hear complaints of "the graphics aren't Age of Conan good" rather than "I can't run this game, period.
Graphics appear to be the excact same as in open beta. I was hoping for some better visuals at release, but I guess not.
I assumed that the high-res texture pack was on the DVD...has anyone actually picked up their box yet?
LoTRO, Ryzom, EQ2, Vanguard e.t.c not picking on ya but WAR is pretty Sub par with the Graphics side of things not that that bothers me cause i quite like how they are and am more than happy and would prefer to look at the graphics in this game compared to WoW for instance so i would rate then Between WoW and LoTRO.
LoTRO, Ryzom, EQ2, Vanguard e.t.c not picking on ya but WAR is pretty Sub par with the Graphics side of things not that that bothers me cause i quite like how they are and am more than happy and would prefer to look at the graphics in this game compared to WoW for instance so i would rate then Between WoW and LoTRO.
Lotro's about the same, EQ2 umm..no, higher poly count but models aren't as nice and vanguard is populated by plastic mannequins.
The thing about art though is it's subjective and we're prolly both right from our own perspectives. However, one thing you can't deny is that the war art has style, compare any greenskin in war to pretty much any other mmo race and the "style" shines through. K, so the Order elves suck balls, and by suck balls I mean they actually prolly go to ball sucking conventions and actually suck balls, but most the rest of the art has character and style, something almost all mmo's lack, including the three you posted.
Bland, bad art on a high poly model with high rez textures and bump mapping is still bland, bad art. No matter how much you polish a turd....it's still a turd.
LoTRO, Ryzom, EQ2, Vanguard e.t.c not picking on ya but WAR is pretty Sub par with the Graphics side of things not that that bothers me cause i quite like how they are and am more than happy and would prefer to look at the graphics in this game compared to WoW for instance so i would rate then Between WoW and LoTRO.
Lotro's about the same, EQ2 umm..no, higher poly count but models aren't as nice and vanguard is populated by plastic mannequins.
The thing about art though is it's subjective and we're prolly both right from our own perspectives. However, one thing you can't deny is that the war art has style, compare any greenskin in war to pretty much any other mmo race and the "style" shines through. K, so the Order elves suck balls, and by suck balls I mean they actually prolly go to ball sucking conventions and actually suck balls, but most the rest of the art has character and style, something almost all mmo's lack, including the three you posted.
Bland, bad art on a high poly model with high rez textures and bump mapping is still bland, bad art. No matter how much you polish a turd....it's still a turd.
I agree im no fan of the whole plastic looking char toons but was more so stating in terms of Graphics not so much Art. Sure WAR has some Great Art Style and i wont deny that but i would not say it is about the same as LoTRO atleast LoTRO has some of the most Stunning gameplay Scenery's to date and the Art style on that game is yet to be matched but again that is my perspective and would definately be different for others.
LoTRO, Ryzom, EQ2, Vanguard e.t.c not picking on ya but WAR is pretty Sub par with the Graphics side of things not that that bothers me cause i quite like how they are and am more than happy and would prefer to look at the graphics in this game compared to WoW for instance so i would rate then Between WoW and LoTRO.
Lotro's about the same, EQ2 umm..no, higher poly count but models aren't as nice and vanguard is populated by plastic mannequins.
The thing about art though is it's subjective and we're prolly both right from our own perspectives. However, one thing you can't deny is that the war art has style, compare any greenskin in war to pretty much any other mmo race and the "style" shines through. K, so the Order elves suck balls, and by suck balls I mean they actually prolly go to ball sucking conventions and actually suck balls, but most the rest of the art has character and style, something almost all mmo's lack, including the three you posted.
Bland, bad art on a high poly model with high rez textures and bump mapping is still bland, bad art. No matter how much you polish a turd....it's still a turd.
I agree im no fan of the whole plastic looking char toons but was more so stating in terms of Graphics not so much Art. Sure WAR has some Great Art Style and i wont deny that but i would not say it is about the same as LoTRO atleast LoTRO has some of the most Stunning gameplay Scenery's to date and the Art style on that game is yet to be matched but again that is my perspective and would definately be different for others.
To be completely honest. I went back and played all the games you two listed, and warhammers graphics are superior. They all look a lot older even wow and lotro. Yea they dont offer too much customization to the graphics, but it isn't needed.
LoTRO, Ryzom, EQ2, Vanguard e.t.c not picking on ya but WAR is pretty Sub par with the Graphics side of things not that that bothers me cause i quite like how they are and am more than happy and would prefer to look at the graphics in this game compared to WoW for instance so i would rate then Between WoW and LoTRO.
Lotro's about the same, EQ2 umm..no, higher poly count but models aren't as nice and vanguard is populated by plastic mannequins.
The thing about art though is it's subjective and we're prolly both right from our own perspectives. However, one thing you can't deny is that the war art has style, compare any greenskin in war to pretty much any other mmo race and the "style" shines through. K, so the Order elves suck balls, and by suck balls I mean they actually prolly go to ball sucking conventions and actually suck balls, but most the rest of the art has character and style, something almost all mmo's lack, including the three you posted.
Bland, bad art on a high poly model with high rez textures and bump mapping is still bland, bad art. No matter how much you polish a turd....it's still a turd.
I agree im no fan of the whole plastic looking char toons but was more so stating in terms of Graphics not so much Art. Sure WAR has some Great Art Style and i wont deny that but i would not say it is about the same as LoTRO atleast LoTRO has some of the most Stunning gameplay Scenery's to date and the Art style on that game is yet to be matched but again that is my perspective and would definately be different for others.
To be completely honest. I went back and played all the games you two listed, and warhammers graphics are superior. They all look a lot older even wow and lotro. Yea they dont offer too much customization to the graphics, but it isn't needed.
So in the last 15 minutes you went back and played the game's we suggested? WOW how many game's are you subbed too lol. And sorry but 1 if they look older prolly because they are older but i cant believe that WAR has better Graphics than LoTRO and this is not the Fanboy's point of view this is just plain common sense.
Spent some time at a buddies house yesterday and he was playing WoW, I was honestly surprised at how bad the graphics in WoW were. I don't remember them being that bad. Everything looked clunky and bland. Don't ever remember looking at them and thinking that before, even after playing aoc (another polished turd imo) and lotro, WoW still seemed ok.
Maybe its the fact that of them all, WoW and WAR have the most depicitions of close to the same things onscreen so theres a basis for direct comparison. I mean, both have orcs for example, so you have a way to compare two representations of the same thing and WoW came out really lacking. With most of the other games there weren't any direct comparisons that stuck out to me so much.
p.s. If anyone comes in here and uses what I just said as an excuse to type something like. "See, war totally ripped off WoW! Just another clone!" I's like to say, in advance, your an idiot and please don't breed. When I first started playing WoW first thing that struck me was how very much like DAoC it played, right down to using the identical macro and emote commands. So technically, Mythic is just ripping off themselves. Or at the least they are only ripping off whoever they ripped off back when they made DAoC, either way, sure as hell wasn't WoW.
p.s.s. to anyone who wants to use my above p.s. to start a debate about pretty much anything contained therein, please, if you would, add yourself to the Do Not Breed list.
Have you ever played Lotro past lvl 10 its quite spectacular looking...in my opinion it is far better than AoC because the graphics are consistantly good...AoC had disgusting lookin trees...not bashing WAR in any way by the way..cant wait for the SE headstart the game just rocks for gameplay... but wouldnt mind a longer draw distance, looked bad on my computer and I had everything maxed as it could go, but you get used to it.
Here's some screens I took from Lotro
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=northdownsxe3.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stonetrollsbw1.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eredluinfu1.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forochelkr7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rivendelley6.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lotroevendimli5.jpg
Have you ever played Lotro past lvl 10 its quite spectacular looking...in my opinion it is far better than AoC because the graphics are consistantly good...AoC had disgusting lookin trees...not bashing WAR in any way by the way..cant wait for the SE headstart the game just rocks for gameplay... but wouldnt mind a longer draw distance, looked bad on my computer and I had everything maxed as it could go, but you get used to it.
Here's some screens I took from Lotro
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=northdownsxe3.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stonetrollsbw1.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eredluinfu1.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forochelkr7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rivendelley6.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lotroevendimli5.jpg
That looks better than i remember, It seems I stand corrected.
But dammit, the rest of what I said was true...
Yea..kinda hard to leave Lotro but I really loved the gameplay in War..the Public quests were so much fun and the RvR and all its an awesome game...prbably still gonna stay subrscribed Lotro though just gonna give War a good play for a while... seems some videos I've seen of some peoples war beta looked better than mine..had all the options turned up as far as they go with nvidia settings maxed with AA and all..game still looked terrible...guess I'm just praying that the DvD as those rumored high rez textures but can live without it..cant wait for War.
Whoever says that WAR has better graphics than LOTRO has obviously never experienced the hight-textures, DX10 side of LOTRO. There is really no comparison between the two and I doubt WAR will reach that level of scenery and atmosphere, unless they too implement DX10.
That being said, it's totally understandable. Those two gaims have different goals and are targetted towards different audience. I'm sure the choices they made regarding this issue reflect this reality.
Without DX10 certain zones in WAR are comparable to LOTRO. TRoll country and Troll shaws are comparable. DX10 has significant lighting enhancements so LOTRO will win there.
I think LOTRO textures are a bit better. A zone like Ellyrion IMO is kind of sub par. The textures are not so good and the Fir trees are kind of primitive looking. LOTRO is more consistent.
The good parts of WAR are comparable to LOTRO, the bad parts of LOTRO are better than the bad parts of WAR. When you take DX10 out of the equation.
With DX10 LOTRO beats most games because its art is better and the lighting is just plain more advanced.
Also in general LOTRO is made to be more crisp and WAR is purposely not crisp.
Who knows, for one the game has not launched yet, we are in headstart, not launch so things may change. I just force the graphics to a higher resolution and force AA and the game looks fantastic.
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Have you ever played Lotro past lvl 10 its quite spectacular looking...in my opinion it is far better than AoC because the graphics are consistantly good...AoC had disgusting lookin trees...not bashing WAR in any way by the way..cant wait for the SE headstart the game just rocks for gameplay... but wouldnt mind a longer draw distance, looked bad on my computer and I had everything maxed as it could go, but you get used to it.
Here's some screens I took from Lotro
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=northdownsxe3.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stonetrollsbw1.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eredluinfu1.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forochelkr7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rivendelley6.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lotroevendimli5.jpg
Yeah, LotRO is definitely amazing looking. My problem with the game is that it was so boring it COULDN'T keep my interest passed level 10 though.
Actually, not true, I did hit 12 once. But still! WAR is still very close imo, and is much more fun and immersive even without the best graphics.
Although I saw on a site Mythic had mentioned that we can turn on antialising from nvidia control panel I did that I has improved the graphics a bit but not much
But I had 0 Performance issues and no stuttering or lag with more than 50 people on screen fighting with all the animations
Although a hig res setting for high end computing would be welcome.
Lol I bought a new gamers rig for AOC so the computer handles WAR with ease
Yep - but for an RPG it's less about "rendering 200 characters" and far more about "loading the textures to display those 200 characters"...
AoC suffers from this badly - 'pop-in' (or for AoC 'pop-up') is a big problem, as-is the 'checkerboard effect', the 'grey map', the flat wall effect, and a variety of other bugs.
For Warhammer, it looks like they've taken X players + terrain + equipment + effects, and worked out how much memory it takes to hold it all at once. I guess we'll see how accurate they were with that number...
(not forgetting that downloading/patching 16gb of textures takes a while...)
- For LOTRO I believe there was a 'high res texture' download offered separately - it's possible mythic might do that at some stage?
i played wow, lotor, and war beta. i personally love the environemental scenery in LOTRo has one of the best environements and art direction around in fact i was running LOTRO under DIrect X10, along with the high resolution texture client and ran perfectly for me very smooth experience at 1680x1050 with 4x AA. war although similar art direction looks good and a bit higher par than wow, but lot of the models still feel clunky. i think they have done a good job with the art direction each area has its own look and feel and i think that is good. also is runs well on max for me, i have practically no slow down, with dozens of people questing in my area throwing spells. but the game wasnt for me. also LOTRO was boring to tears at mid 30's and hard to find a group to do the epic-prologue book quests. quite a shame.
AOC on the other hand although stellar combat, smooth flowing realistic animations, realistic environment comes at a cost, its frankly runs like crap. hell the Villas run like absolute shit, i went in the other day by myself and maybe got 2-4 fps second until i turn the settings to low. then went out, went back to shader 3.0 and settings to high at 1680x1050 and maybe got 20-40+ fps but the game truly needs more optimizations, also I admit i need a better vid card and 2GB of ram to total out at 4GB in vista X64 seems to run games better with 4GB.
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Your system apparently cant handle anything turned on past Best performance setting because EQ2 looks 10x Better then WAR. There is no differance from High Quailty to low Quality in WAR. The game brings WOW tactics by introducing crappy dated graphics for the Everyday Gamer and carbon copies WOW to a tee almost by doing so. If WoW was re-released today it would have the graphics of WAR seeing as Blizzard would of known these are the lowest specs a PC can handle today. The fact that everybody is Blind on the matter is down right hilarious because it funny to see how people want to defend somthing they dont need to. Think War graphics are good Check your bifocals because they need some cleaning.
yup I did the same there is noticebale fifference