Not that this matters: I have played WoW many times. I did not play on release, I chose EQ2... which was fun, but was rushed, and thus failed @ launch. I didn't have the willpower to stick it out until it became stable. I had 2 60s pre BC, sold that account and went back to EQ2. Then 3 70s post BC. Sold that account, stumbled around EQ2, EQ1 progression, DAoC, CABAL, LOTRO, you name it. >> 3 more 70s on WoW. Sold that, CS:S'd, AoC'd for a while. Resub'd to WoW to play with a friend, canceled again. My reasons for disliking WoW (not hating) are as follows.
:Lack of Originality. Doesn't it seem odd that Blizzard manages to have all of the distinguishing concepts of ALL others games, about the same time that those games come out? WoW at launch was a noobed down version of EQ1... with a minor graphical update. Expansions are basically like Blizzard reaching their hand into each new game, and snagging its core concept, dumbing it down, and throwing into WoW as a side-game.
:Everything is a time-sink. Cap on arena points per week, lockout timers, gear checks. The timeline is not playerdriven. You either progress at a decent rate (hardcore - semi hardcore guilds), or you miss out on the action before the new expansion. Minor upgrades from PVP arena seasons... Dangling that carrot.
:Gear > Skill. This mixed with point 2 = Time > Skill.
:PVP = cookie-cutter combos. Nearly impossible to make an oddball combo succeed. Therefor playing with friends is a game of hit or miss.... did they make the right class to coop with yours? Do you want to play with friends, or do good? Pick one.
I like WoW, I've played it A LOT! But as soon as another option opens, I try it out and cross my fingers that it will hold my attention longer then WoW... because IMO, there is a lot of room for improvements.
best post describing wow ever. especially the bit about reaching into new games. that is EXACTLY what they do, and sadly they dont even do it well. WoW has such potential, i mean the engine could be brilliant instead of dumbed down ok-ness. the story (for the most part) is so well written that it makes me cry they are wasting it on wow and not war 4. dear god i want war 4 so badly, even just a re-run single player rts of the wow story. i cudnt give toss about wrath any more, even if you do ill arthus and end that story thread. ill play on a private server at most. tbh ill play happily knowing im ripping them off
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
Not that this matters: I have played WoW many times. I did not play on release, I chose EQ2... which was fun, but was rushed, and thus failed @ launch. I didn't have the willpower to stick it out until it became stable. I had 2 60s pre BC, sold that account and went back to EQ2. Then 3 70s post BC. Sold that account, stumbled around EQ2, EQ1 progression, DAoC, CABAL, LOTRO, you name it. >> 3 more 70s on WoW. Sold that, CS:S'd, AoC'd for a while. Resub'd to WoW to play with a friend, canceled again. My reasons for disliking WoW (not hating) are as follows.
:Lack of Originality. Doesn't it seem odd that Blizzard manages to have all of the distinguishing concepts of ALL others games, about the same time that those games come out? WoW at launch was a noobed down version of EQ1... with a minor graphical update. Expansions are basically like Blizzard reaching their hand into each new game, and snagging its core concept, dumbing it down, and throwing into WoW as a side-game.
:Everything is a time-sink. Cap on arena points per week, lockout timers, gear checks. The timeline is not playerdriven. You either progress at a decent rate (hardcore - semi hardcore guilds), or you miss out on the action before the new expansion. Minor upgrades from PVP arena seasons... Dangling that carrot.
:Gear > Skill. This mixed with point 2 = Time > Skill.
:PVP = cookie-cutter combos. Nearly impossible to make an oddball combo succeed. Therefor playing with friends is a game of hit or miss.... did they make the right class to coop with yours? Do you want to play with friends, or do good? Pick one.
I like WoW, I've played it A LOT! But as soon as another option opens, I try it out and cross my fingers that it will hold my attention longer then WoW... because IMO, there is a lot of room for improvements.
QFT, I couldn't have said this better myself. Not to mention the fact that a lot of mmorpg fans are looking for a fresh game/fresh start. Grinding 1-80 and finding groups could turn out to be brutal. It's Pretty sad when WoW is concerned of losing (Hopefully a lot) of the 9 million player base.
i watch the wife play wow. i watch friends play it. i've still yet to see anything "good" about it. nothing that makes me want to return. the wow that is today is definitely not the wow that was advertisde pre-retail release, not by a long shot. i see kaplan/pardo as being the ones who changed wow into what it is today.
for all the complaining i do about COx... they've actually added 10 *classes* since release (2 heat, 6 villain at, 2 veat) and have plans of more. everything in that game is customizable. while the mission generator may be a letdown as it is not a new underwater/space-station zone, it does mean there will be a crapton more content available soon after i13 is released.
eve-online is going to be introducing human avatars either this winter patch or possibly a bit later. every expansion pretty much adds more professions and specializations, along with new ships and star systems.
neither of these is a fantasy-setting game. honestly, depending on how mines of moria look and if they expand upon the monster play, i may well end up playing lotro for my fantasy game.
it's really not a matter of this game vs. that game. that's a fanboi thing, and as we all know -- fanbois actively pursue a course which ruins games. i want a game that's fun. a game that's fun for me IS the best game out there.
billions of people eat at mcdonald's and burger king... that seriously does not make me want to eat at either of those places more than i want to currently. something that has a lower common denominator should, by definition, have a larger customer base. that does not in any fashion, imply quality. rather, by having a lower common denominator, it would imply the quality IS lesser.
wow doesn't have housing or customization. i can't pick some oddball talent set-up and expect folks with whom i'm playing to be cool with the fact that my talent build isn't "optimal" for raiding/arena/whatever. add to that the tier-progression of gear... adding a few hairstyles isn't providing any type of customization that i care the least whit about.
i'm not afraid to start a new character in a new game. my COx toons and Eve toons actually have *stuff* that would make me feel attached, even moreso as time progresses and new expansions allow them to customize and have any more *stuff*. games like eq2 and uo also have *stuff* like your home and such.
wow offers me nothing other than an endless grind to maybe get what i'm looking for... and then no housing (either personal or guild).
i'm happy that fans of wow are getting some new content and goodies. i'm thinking... wow fans that post on forums make up the minority. ofttimes i ask the wife, friends, etc about different aspects of wow and they don't know/care. these are items that my OCD-self am intimately familiar with, in any game i play; but, i would seem to be in the minority there.
so, for people quite content in their gameplay being 80%+ of nothing but "dailies"... i'm sure wotlk will be great fun... for THEM.
for me, i'll try war, i'll try wotlk to make the wife happy; but... odds are i'll still be playing COx & Eve and may even take up lotro... who knows. but i'm willing to be open-minded and hold out hope that wotlk is FUN. the lack of a base/housing will always be a LARGE drawback for me, as will the lack of power/talent/gear customization.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I know that to some people it sounds trite, but....my biggest complaint with WoW has always been the lack of player housing. Not that I don't have some other complaints as well, but that one has bugged me from day one.
Also it will mess with WAR subscriptions to some degree. Many people are going to play WAR as a temporary filler while they wait for their beloved Blizzard:WoTLK. Im one of these individuals as well as my whole guild.
I agree, I ordered WAR last week and EA still hasn't processed my order, so I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be getting into the head start thing, Wouldn't be surprised if the WOW patch comes out before I get into WAR.
Arent people sick of WoW yet?? When I played in beta I thought players would play it 4-6 months max then get bored and move on to something else........
These are quite nice and funny features giving out before the expac. Compared to certain other games, you know what you are dealing with and that blizzard will change things if people dislike it. The last part obviously goes for both good and bad, since some of the harder things got a lil too easy and some other things got too tedius but on a side note there's a bunch of good things and seriously, there's no mmorpg out there which can rival with WoW's content and quality.
WAR`??? see you in 1 month when people are whining just like AoC.
I'm pretty sure i'll be coming back to wow when WotLK arrives.
" I certainly do not know the answer, and I'm not sure that any non-Blizzard employee does"
So has anything happened in the MMO world that might bring about an announcement of more cool skills and more pvp options from the boys at Blizz? Anything? Anything? Nope, I can't think about anything either. It's great for WoW fans that they are getting some of WoLK early, probably not so great that they are probably being softened up for another delay.
However as to why this exciting announcement was made this week is something I do know. I recognise this is a fan site and it makes sense for games to be reviewed by game-lovers but let's not get entirely taken in by the marketing eh? Oh, and while you are at it you may want to try the other pvp game. It's lovely to have one that actually works as described (makes a brave effort not to whine about the druid range bug or anything about Funcom).
If you can get on... Now if GOA can get its act together before main launch and get the destro queues down to less than 3 hours we might have as much fun in Europe as our American cousins. But if you are in the good ol' US of A and feel like a break from WoW there now is an alternative. if you are happy with WoW you'll be pleased to hear they'll be incorporating lots of the shiney bits from WAR in WoLK and you can pretty much guarantee weave the ol' Blizz magic. So either way you're a winner.
I know that to some people it sounds trite, but....my biggest complaint with WoW has always been the lack of player housing. Not that I don't have some other complaints as well, but that one has bugged me from day one.
I could care less about housing. But I will admit that I know many people who enjoy that aspect very much. One of my best gaming buds loved his house in Asheron's Call. As did quite a few others I played with there.
Even though I don't care about it, I would very much like to see what Blizzard would do with it.
One thing I certainly reccommend when it comes to housing is not to have it instanced. I thought EQII housing was a waste.
While the housing in AC was done non instanced, other then apartments, they removed them too far from towns. It pulled everyone away from towns and made the world seem dead. I don't think WoW would have this issues as the World does not have enough room to put housing out of the way. AC's landscape is just so huge.
So while I don't care about housing, I would very much like to see Blizzard's take on it. Maybe we have?
[quote]It has already been effectively confirmed that Blizzard is aiming for a release date of October, November or December of this year for the expansion.[/quote]
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seems a LOT like they are scared of certain upcoming games. Hell all incoming reports suggest that WotLK is very very disapointing. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
best post describing wow ever. especially the bit about reaching into new games. that is EXACTLY what they do, and sadly they dont even do it well. WoW has such potential, i mean the engine could be brilliant instead of dumbed down ok-ness. the story (for the most part) is so well written that it makes me cry they are wasting it on wow and not war 4. dear god i want war 4 so badly, even just a re-run single player rts of the wow story. i cudnt give toss about wrath any more, even if you do ill arthus and end that story thread. ill play on a private server at most. tbh ill play happily knowing im ripping them off
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
QFT, I couldn't have said this better myself. Not to mention the fact that a lot of mmorpg fans are looking for a fresh game/fresh start. Grinding 1-80 and finding groups could turn out to be brutal. It's Pretty sad when WoW is concerned of losing (Hopefully a lot) of the 9 million player base.
i watch the wife play wow. i watch friends play it. i've still yet to see anything "good" about it. nothing that makes me want to return. the wow that is today is definitely not the wow that was advertisde pre-retail release, not by a long shot. i see kaplan/pardo as being the ones who changed wow into what it is today.
for all the complaining i do about COx... they've actually added 10 *classes* since release (2 heat, 6 villain at, 2 veat) and have plans of more. everything in that game is customizable. while the mission generator may be a letdown as it is not a new underwater/space-station zone, it does mean there will be a crapton more content available soon after i13 is released.
eve-online is going to be introducing human avatars either this winter patch or possibly a bit later. every expansion pretty much adds more professions and specializations, along with new ships and star systems.
neither of these is a fantasy-setting game. honestly, depending on how mines of moria look and if they expand upon the monster play, i may well end up playing lotro for my fantasy game.
it's really not a matter of this game vs. that game. that's a fanboi thing, and as we all know -- fanbois actively pursue a course which ruins games. i want a game that's fun. a game that's fun for me IS the best game out there.
billions of people eat at mcdonald's and burger king... that seriously does not make me want to eat at either of those places more than i want to currently. something that has a lower common denominator should, by definition, have a larger customer base. that does not in any fashion, imply quality. rather, by having a lower common denominator, it would imply the quality IS lesser.
wow doesn't have housing or customization. i can't pick some oddball talent set-up and expect folks with whom i'm playing to be cool with the fact that my talent build isn't "optimal" for raiding/arena/whatever. add to that the tier-progression of gear... adding a few hairstyles isn't providing any type of customization that i care the least whit about.
i'm not afraid to start a new character in a new game. my COx toons and Eve toons actually have *stuff* that would make me feel attached, even moreso as time progresses and new expansions allow them to customize and have any more *stuff*. games like eq2 and uo also have *stuff* like your home and such.
wow offers me nothing other than an endless grind to maybe get what i'm looking for... and then no housing (either personal or guild).
i'm happy that fans of wow are getting some new content and goodies. i'm thinking... wow fans that post on forums make up the minority. ofttimes i ask the wife, friends, etc about different aspects of wow and they don't know/care. these are items that my OCD-self am intimately familiar with, in any game i play; but, i would seem to be in the minority there.
so, for people quite content in their gameplay being 80%+ of nothing but "dailies"... i'm sure wotlk will be great fun... for THEM.
for me, i'll try war, i'll try wotlk to make the wife happy; but... odds are i'll still be playing COx & Eve and may even take up lotro... who knows. but i'm willing to be open-minded and hold out hope that wotlk is FUN. the lack of a base/housing will always be a LARGE drawback for me, as will the lack of power/talent/gear customization.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I know that to some people it sounds trite, but....my biggest complaint with WoW has always been the lack of player housing. Not that I don't have some other complaints as well, but that one has bugged me from day one.
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Originally posted by PinkCat
Also it will mess with WAR subscriptions to some degree. Many people are going to play WAR as a temporary filler while they wait for their beloved Blizzard:WoTLK. Im one of these individuals as well as my whole guild.
I agree, I ordered WAR last week and EA still hasn't processed my order, so I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be getting into the head start thing, Wouldn't be surprised if the WOW patch comes out before I get into WAR.
EA it's because we're lame.
Arent people sick of WoW yet?? When I played in beta I thought players would play it 4-6 months max then get bored and move on to something else........
what are all these retardo
doing in here anyway?
These are quite nice and funny features giving out before the expac. Compared to certain other games, you know what you are dealing with and that blizzard will change things if people dislike it. The last part obviously goes for both good and bad, since some of the harder things got a lil too easy and some other things got too tedius but on a side note there's a bunch of good things and seriously, there's no mmorpg out there which can rival with WoW's content and quality.
WAR`??? see you in 1 month when people are whining just like AoC.
I'm pretty sure i'll be coming back to wow when WotLK arrives.
all mmos are grinders.....
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
" I certainly do not know the answer, and I'm not sure that any non-Blizzard employee does"
So has anything happened in the MMO world that might bring about an announcement of more cool skills and more pvp options from the boys at Blizz? Anything? Anything? Nope, I can't think about anything either. It's great for WoW fans that they are getting some of WoLK early, probably not so great that they are probably being softened up for another delay.
However as to why this exciting announcement was made this week is something I do know. I recognise this is a fan site and it makes sense for games to be reviewed by game-lovers but let's not get entirely taken in by the marketing eh? Oh, and while you are at it you may want to try the other pvp game. It's lovely to have one that actually works as described (makes a brave effort not to whine about the druid range bug or anything about Funcom).
If you can get on... Now if GOA can get its act together before main launch and get the destro queues down to less than 3 hours we might have as much fun in Europe as our American cousins. But if you are in the good ol' US of A and feel like a break from WoW there now is an alternative. if you are happy with WoW you'll be pleased to hear they'll be incorporating lots of the shiney bits from WAR in WoLK and you can pretty much guarantee weave the ol' Blizz magic. So either way you're a winner.
This IS totally awesome. I don't know why. It just is.
I could care less about housing. But I will admit that I know many people who enjoy that aspect very much. One of my best gaming buds loved his house in Asheron's Call. As did quite a few others I played with there.
Even though I don't care about it, I would very much like to see what Blizzard would do with it.
One thing I certainly reccommend when it comes to housing is not to have it instanced. I thought EQII housing was a waste.
While the housing in AC was done non instanced, other then apartments, they removed them too far from towns. It pulled everyone away from towns and made the world seem dead. I don't think WoW would have this issues as the World does not have enough room to put housing out of the way. AC's landscape is just so huge.
So while I don't care about housing, I would very much like to see Blizzard's take on it. Maybe we have?
Jon Wood....for shame!
Pointless thread is pointless.
The date of launch was confirmed the day before you posted this.
Blatant traffic-magnet and flamebait thread.
Utterly disgusted at the standards you now believe to be acceptable.
FOR SHAME!
[quote]It has already been effectively confirmed that Blizzard is aiming for a release date of October, November or December of this year for the expansion.[/quote]
Release Date - November 13th