The name/pass for a SE account will not authenticate until the server(s) are up, correct? Or, can you log in and at least download the patch(s), but not log into a server?
Just wondering, because I cant even authenticate, and dont want to find out later is because of another issue an not the account.
Quick question: The name/pass for a SE account will not authenticate until the server(s) are up, correct? Or, can you log in and at least download the patch(s), but not log into a server? Just wondering, because I cant even authenticate, and dont want to find out later is because of another issue an not the account. Thanks, X
you wont be able to log in until tomorrow morning.
I don't particularly approve of monologues that say somebody can't be a unique and beautiful snowflakes. It's not that I support people who believe they can declare the thread is over and everybody else should shut up now. It's that many RL mass murderers happen to have parents who fed them that exact line, over and over again: "You're worthless, you're trash, you're not in any way special." That kind of "advice" doesn't have very good results - ask any experienced homicide psychological investigator.
I know, what a downer to read. Still, I'm under the belief that all things, no matter how minor, are connected. if I can head off one person's death by mentioning this whenever somebody pulls the "you're not special in any way, you shut up" card, it's worth doing.
As an alternative I'm going to say I'm sorry but I'm of differing opinion as to head start speculation being completely useless. Of course, all the worries in the world serve no purpose: what happens, happens. However, if nothing else, speculation and worries occupy a bored mind. As gamers, we should be able to appreciate the value of such entertaining delusion.
Seems my bit of sleuthing based off this message hasn't panned out: Midnight EST has ocme and gone and SE Head Start has yet to begin. Now we're down to two possibilities:
2. This Herald News Post, Which says the Collector's Edition started an hour early (noon) of the planned time (1pm EST).
Considering that the Collector's Edition Head Start was more recent, I'm wagering it'll be closer to #2. However, there's a possibility Mythic will decide to forego a full 48 hour head start for Collector's Edition purchasers in favor of supporting what it says on the pre-order page.
I don't particularly approve of monologues that say somebody can't be a unique and beautiful snowflakes. It's not that I support people who believe they can declare the thread is over and everybody else should shut up now. It's that many RL mass murderers happen to have parents who fed them that exact line, over and over again: "You're worthless, you're trash, you're not in any way special." That kind of "advice" doesn't have very good results - ask any experienced homicide investigator. Anywho, I will continue to speculate in regards to WO:AR's release. Seems my bit of sleuthing hasn't panned out. Now we're down to two possiblities: 1. The Pre-Order Launch Page, which says 7am EST 2. This Herald News Post, Which says the Collector's Edition started an hour early (noon) of the planned time (1pm EST). Considering that the Collector's Edition Head Start was more recent, I'm wagering it'll be closer to #2.
For the most part I agree with ya Geld, negative reinforcement has a terrible track record of producing decent, stable people. But thats an extreme, taken to the other extreme it's just as bad.
Telling everyone that they are special and worthy of special attention just for the sole reason that they exist tends to lead to self righteous, uptight people that are never wrong and have no sense of community, compassion or the greater good. So on hand hand you have a axe murderer, on the other a person with no drive to succeed, cause they are already a success, and a massive sense of self entitlement. The two should meet, would be great.
In all honesty a balance between the two is needed, people need to realize that respect is earned, not given. People will only listen to you with rapt adoration if you have proven yourself to be someone worth listening to and that being a success means starting at the bottom and working your way up, no one deserves anything off the bat except the chance to prove themselves, and a supportive and caring atmosphere that will help make sure you have the oppurtunity to do so. Noone starts out special. That idea is just as rediculous as the whole original sin concept. Everyone starts neutral.
Anything else tends to lead to Jeffrey Dahmers and Paris Hiltons. You want to be treated special, you need to act special. As for being unique, whats wrong with just being you, regardless if your just like someone else. Trust me, with the billions of people on this planet not a single one of us is really all that unique. Thinking like that is part of the problem with society nowadays.
I don't particularly approve of monologues that say somebody can't be a unique and beautiful snowflakes. It's not that I support people who believe they can declare the thread is over and everybody else should shut up now. It's that many RL mass murderers happen to have parents who fed them that exact line, over and over again: "You're worthless, you're trash, you're not in any way special." That kind of "advice" doesn't have very good results - ask any experienced homicide psychological investigator. I know, what a downer to read. Still, I'm under the belief that all things, no matter how minor, are connected. if I can head off one person's death by mentioning this whenever somebody pulls the "you're not special in any way, you shut up" card, it's worth doing. As an alternative I'm going to say I'm sorry but I'm of differing opinion as to head start speculation being completely useless. Of course, all the worries in the world serve no purpose: what happens, happens. However, if nothing else, speculation and worries occupy a bored mind. As gamers, we should be able to appreciate the value of such entertaining delusion. Seems my bit of sleuthing based off this message hasn't panned out: Midnight EST has ocme and gone and SE Head Start has yet to begin. Now we're down to two possibilities: 1. The Pre-Order Launch Page, which says 7am EST 2. This Herald News Post, Which says the Collector's Edition started an hour early (noon) of the planned time (1pm EST). Considering that the Collector's Edition Head Start was more recent, I'm wagering it'll be closer to #2. However, there's a possibility Mythic will decide to forego a full 48 hour head start for Collector's Edition purchasers in favor of supporting what it says on the pre-order page.
A balance in all things, I would agree, is a good thing.
However, I wouldn't go so far as to diminish a person as being significant. It's important for a person to believe they have significance so that they can shoulder on in what's often a harsh world. If you completely eliminate this belief, you end up with someone who feels helpless in all things, and helpless people are prone to desperate acts.
A good philosopher realizes their place in the universe is an insignificant speck. A better philosopher realizes that even a speck needs to acknowledge each of its actions carry lasting repercussions on its own scale. A truly big-headed speck may not exist, only one that acts out of ignorance.
As we all do. I think we've all been there: a topic we simply don't want to hear, whose very presence infuriates us. Clearly, our emotions would have to be running high to think we can tell the entire thread to cease speculation. Instead, we should simply move on to reading other threads. The world of full of things we may not like, but many of these things are easily avoidable.
the preorder link thats floating around on this thread isnt OLD as people say, its still a functionable link on the warhammer site. it might of been updated in the recent weeks or not. hearld has not said anything about SE head start so the standing of what has been published should stand true until hearld posts that SE will be going live at such and such time.
Once hearld has spoken then thats the time, until then the population is broken down to assuming 1pm (first posted time) or the 12 pm (due to ce extra hour) or the Pre-order page of 7am. Which will it be, I personally do not know, do I care ? A bit due to the fact I want to play with a few friends that did not get CE and a bit no cause I know they'll be on sometime soon
In order to prepare for the Standard Edition Head Start all servers will be coming down in at 3AM EDT for an update. All servers are expected to be online before the Head Start begins at 7AM EDT.
We will update here with any news or information. Thank you!
A balance in all things, I would agree, is a good thing. However, I wouldn't go so far as to diminish a person as being significant. It's important for a person to believe they have significance so that they can shoudler on in what's often a harsh world. If you completely eliminate this belief, you end up with someone who feels helpless in all things, and helpless people are prone to deperate acts. A good philosopher realizes their place in the universe is an insignificant speck. A better philosopher realizes that even a speck needs to acknowledge each of its actions carry lasting reprocussions on its own scale. A truly big-headed speck may not exist, only one that acts out of ignorance. As we all do. I think we've all been there: a topic we simply don't want to hear, whose very presence infuriates us. Clearly, our emotions would have to be running high to think we can tell the entire thread to cease speculation. Instead, we should simply move on.
A person's significance should be defined by their actions, not their existence. I would think that if a persons action are insignificant then treating them like anything else teaches them that it's ok not to work hard to be anything but.
I personally believe that we live in a coddled society that for the most part lacks a sense of responsibility. A look at internet behavior easily shows that when you remove responsibility and retribution from the mix you end up having the absolute worst sides of people come to the forefront hiding behind a mask of anonymousness.
"A Sense of Entitlement
In psychiatry we use the term "sense of entitlement" to describe the outrageous attitude of some of our more narcissistic clients who believe that the world "owes" them and they want to collect NOW. Patients with this type of attitude always want more. Whatever you do is never good enough for them, and they also generally show no gratitute or express any thanks--even when someone goes out of their way for them. Like the most spoiled of royalty, they merely expect that they should be the center of your world at all times.
This attitude is normally seen in toddlers, who want what they want and they want it now. Every parent has had to deal with this kind of whining. When you see this attitude repeatedly in an adult, then you know you are dealing with psychopathology. Many adults whimper at the slightest inconvenience, delay, or restriction. Why? Because, like toddlers, they are convinced they deserve what they want when they want it. They are "entitled" to it. "
These paragraphs remind you of anything you've seen online lately? I totally agree with you about the negative reinforcement idea, but being positive when nothing has been done to warrant it creates just as many problems.
Wow, we really hijacked this thread. Nice seeing another person interested in psychology around tho. Anyways, sry for highjacking folks, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
In order to prepare for the Standard Edition Head Start all servers will be coming down in at 3AM EDT for an update. All servers are expected to be online before the Head Start begins at 7AM EDT.
We will update here with any news or information. Thank you!
Greetings! In order to prepare for the Standard Edition Head Start all servers will be coming down in at 3AM EDT for an update. All servers are expected to be online before the Head Start begins at 7AM EDT. We will update here with any news or information. Thank you!
Good news, wonder how bad it's going to be, I imagine there's a ton more SE than CE preorders. Might logon early to try to name grab whatevers left, but I'm anticipating it not really being totally playable till later in the day.
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Quick question:
The name/pass for a SE account will not authenticate until the server(s) are up, correct? Or, can you log in and at least download the patch(s), but not log into a server?
Just wondering, because I cant even authenticate, and dont want to find out later is because of another issue an not the account.
Thanks,
X
you wont be able to log in until tomorrow morning.
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I don't particularly approve of monologues that say somebody can't be a unique and beautiful snowflakes. It's not that I support people who believe they can declare the thread is over and everybody else should shut up now. It's that many RL mass murderers happen to have parents who fed them that exact line, over and over again: "You're worthless, you're trash, you're not in any way special." That kind of "advice" doesn't have very good results - ask any experienced homicide psychological investigator.
I know, what a downer to read. Still, I'm under the belief that all things, no matter how minor, are connected. if I can head off one person's death by mentioning this whenever somebody pulls the "you're not special in any way, you shut up" card, it's worth doing.
As an alternative I'm going to say I'm sorry but I'm of differing opinion as to head start speculation being completely useless. Of course, all the worries in the world serve no purpose: what happens, happens. However, if nothing else, speculation and worries occupy a bored mind. As gamers, we should be able to appreciate the value of such entertaining delusion.
Seems my bit of sleuthing based off this message hasn't panned out: Midnight EST has ocme and gone and SE Head Start has yet to begin. Now we're down to two possibilities:
1. The Pre-Order Launch Page, which says 7am EST
2. This Herald News Post, Which says the Collector's Edition started an hour early (noon) of the planned time (1pm EST).
Considering that the Collector's Edition Head Start was more recent, I'm wagering it'll be closer to #2. However, there's a possibility Mythic will decide to forego a full 48 hour head start for Collector's Edition purchasers in favor of supporting what it says on the pre-order page.
For the most part I agree with ya Geld, negative reinforcement has a terrible track record of producing decent, stable people. But thats an extreme, taken to the other extreme it's just as bad.
Telling everyone that they are special and worthy of special attention just for the sole reason that they exist tends to lead to self righteous, uptight people that are never wrong and have no sense of community, compassion or the greater good. So on hand hand you have a axe murderer, on the other a person with no drive to succeed, cause they are already a success, and a massive sense of self entitlement. The two should meet, would be great.
In all honesty a balance between the two is needed, people need to realize that respect is earned, not given. People will only listen to you with rapt adoration if you have proven yourself to be someone worth listening to and that being a success means starting at the bottom and working your way up, no one deserves anything off the bat except the chance to prove themselves, and a supportive and caring atmosphere that will help make sure you have the oppurtunity to do so. Noone starts out special. That idea is just as rediculous as the whole original sin concept. Everyone starts neutral.
Anything else tends to lead to Jeffrey Dahmers and Paris Hiltons. You want to be treated special, you need to act special. As for being unique, whats wrong with just being you, regardless if your just like someone else. Trust me, with the billions of people on this planet not a single one of us is really all that unique. Thinking like that is part of the problem with society nowadays.
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A balance in all things, I would agree, is a good thing.
However, I wouldn't go so far as to diminish a person as being significant. It's important for a person to believe they have significance so that they can shoulder on in what's often a harsh world. If you completely eliminate this belief, you end up with someone who feels helpless in all things, and helpless people are prone to desperate acts.
A good philosopher realizes their place in the universe is an insignificant speck. A better philosopher realizes that even a speck needs to acknowledge each of its actions carry lasting repercussions on its own scale. A truly big-headed speck may not exist, only one that acts out of ignorance.
As we all do. I think we've all been there: a topic we simply don't want to hear, whose very presence infuriates us. Clearly, our emotions would have to be running high to think we can tell the entire thread to cease speculation. Instead, we should simply move on to reading other threads. The world of full of things we may not like, but many of these things are easily avoidable.
7am CONFIRMED herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsOverview.war
The way I see this is this :
the preorder link thats floating around on this thread isnt OLD as people say, its still a functionable link on the warhammer site. it might of been updated in the recent weeks or not. hearld has not said anything about SE head start so the standing of what has been published should stand true until hearld posts that SE will be going live at such and such time.
Once hearld has spoken then thats the time, until then the population is broken down to assuming 1pm (first posted time) or the 12 pm (due to ce extra hour) or the Pre-order page of 7am. Which will it be, I personally do not know, do I care ? A bit due to the fact I want to play with a few friends that did not get CE and a bit no cause I know they'll be on sometime soon
EDIT : And hearld has spoken =P
Greetings!
In order to prepare for the Standard Edition Head Start all servers will be coming down in at 3AM EDT for an update. All servers are expected to be online before the Head Start begins at 7AM EDT.
We will update here with any news or information. Thank you!
Direct from the Herald.
Nifty, that's - like - 3 hours?
Hmm, to stay up until 3am PST and roll my character through the newbie areas, or sleep until 8am PST? Choices, choices.
Methinks I'll take the sleep. Reason being that something could always crop up to stop the servers from coming up on time.
A person's significance should be defined by their actions, not their existence. I would think that if a persons action are insignificant then treating them like anything else teaches them that it's ok not to work hard to be anything but.
I personally believe that we live in a coddled society that for the most part lacks a sense of responsibility. A look at internet behavior easily shows that when you remove responsibility and retribution from the mix you end up having the absolute worst sides of people come to the forefront hiding behind a mask of anonymousness.
"A Sense of Entitlement
In psychiatry we use the term "sense of entitlement" to describe the outrageous attitude of some of our more narcissistic clients who believe that the world "owes" them and they want to collect NOW. Patients with this type of attitude always want more. Whatever you do is never good enough for them, and they also generally show no gratitute or express any thanks--even when someone goes out of their way for them. Like the most spoiled of royalty, they merely expect that they should be the center of your world at all times.
This attitude is normally seen in toddlers, who want what they want and they want it now. Every parent has had to deal with this kind of whining. When you see this attitude repeatedly in an adult, then you know you are dealing with psychopathology. Many adults whimper at the slightest inconvenience, delay, or restriction. Why? Because, like toddlers, they are convinced they deserve what they want when they want it. They are "entitled" to it. "
These paragraphs remind you of anything you've seen online lately? I totally agree with you about the negative reinforcement idea, but being positive when nothing has been done to warrant it creates just as many problems.
Wow, we really hijacked this thread. Nice seeing another person interested in psychology around tho. Anyways, sry for highjacking folks, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Greetings!
In order to prepare for the Standard Edition Head Start all servers will be coming down in at 3AM EDT for an update. All servers are expected to be online before the Head Start begins at 7AM EDT.
We will update here with any news or information. Thank you!
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Good news, wonder how bad it's going to be, I imagine there's a ton more SE than CE preorders. Might logon early to try to name grab whatevers left, but I'm anticipating it not really being totally playable till later in the day.