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Unfortunately, interest is lacking
Bukkerz
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I think WOW is great..at least I did, but this endless information dripped wait for an expansion that really should have been here months ago really has taken its toll on my interest. Its only a ten level expansion and yet its taken 2 years, virtually, to get here, with many continually paying subs with ever changing release date expectations. They really should have at least introduced a couple of new battlegrounds into the game regardless of the expansion. I am definately going to play WAR from the 18th, mainly because I struggle to even contemplate logging on to WOW at the minute. I personally think Blizzard themselves are developing newer games and that this has taken a bit of a back seat..at this rate you won't see lev 80 to 90 christmas 2010. We should really have been climbing to 100 by now after 4 years...
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What in the hell are those WAR trolls doing here.
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Making OP threads like they even would care ???
Are they so afraid of WotLK ???
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-->>>>>previous post of the person above: "I am intending to build a new PC for WAR based on a damning response to a previous posting on my present specs. I'll ask it again just before i press the buy now button, now that there seems to be more people/opinions about said subject. I presently still have a pentium 4 3gz, with 2gb ram with a x800xt graphics card ( pc express).....what do you reckon"
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RealPvP?--> Ice blocking a charging warrior, give him the finger and mount. Or mind control that annoying healer and let him jump to his own death. Now, that's PvP.
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As soon as you play Wrath you'll understand why its taken so long.. its well worth the wait.
As soon as you play Wrath you'll understand why its taken so long.. its well worth the wait.
why?
playing: darkfall
waiting: earthrise
I logged into my friends account yesterday and I was horrified at the fact that season 2 armor can be had for honor.... Blizzard is killing this gaming making it for 6 year olds and its damned ridiculous! WoTLK is just going to make it easier and easier down to a long grind of pressing 1-2 buttons, afk'ing BGs to farm season 5 and same for raids for tier 7 (and making anything and everything they worked hard on completely useless).
Blizzard WAS doing a good job. Now here is hopes for SC/Diablo MMO? Meh, maybe another company will do something good (and that does not mean EA or Warhammer).
Season 2 can be had for honor because areans are currently on season 4. Did you even give that fact a little thought? It has always been blizzard plan to give old season gear for honor but always gear that is two seasons old.
Ya, its pretty relentless. Only a handful of Warcraft boards that actually talk about the game anymore.... And this is not one of them.
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
-Oscar Wilde
There is a classic comment from someone who has never worked or been even close to a development project before!
As for moving date expectations, they have come from the MMO community and not from Blizzard so the only people you have to blame for 'expecting' the expansion to be released at a particular time is yourselves!
Plus, we have to factor in that over the time it has taken to develop this new expansion they have introduced other content too, so it isn't like they have been sitting on their asses doing nothing in all that time then all of a sudden someone walked into the office a few weeks ago and said "oh well, i suppose we better get this finished"
PMSL!
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
No argument about needing more BG's. TBH, if you really like BG's and World PvP, and you don't like WoW's raiding, you're probably going to be happier with WAR.
Blizz did release plenty of content before the x-pacs in each case. It just happened to come in the form of raids. Pissed me off, but what are you going to do? It's a raiding game first.
Anyway, Blizzard develops expansions on a very different timeframe from most dev houses. Looking at their past games, it seems to have paid off financially.
I think releasing too many expansions would have squandered the lore they've built up with the previous games. As it stands, we've now tied up the stories of the two most interesting WC characters: Illidan and Arthas.
What do we have left, in terms of big name characters and plot lines? Malfurion and Deathwing. Azshara to a much lesser extent, since we didn't even hear her name in the previous WC games. If they had given us 4 x-pacs so far, they'd pretty much have used all of that up.
I never understood players complaining about expansions being too slow. Blizzard gives us a ton of free content that other games would put in a box and sell for $40.
Ironically, go try Warhammer. All of their scenarios (battlegrounds) are exactly like WSG and AB. Blizzard is adding a 'Normandy' type battleground in the expansion which is more compicated and strategic than any of the battlegrounds in Warhammer (the pvp game). Blizzard is also adding Lake Wintergrasp, which is a huge pvp seiging zone, that once again is more tactical and complicated than Warhammer. Wintergrasp has moveable seige weapons and aerial combat. Warhammer is a zergfest.. you run to the middle and damage as many players before dying.. you rez, and do the exact same thing again.
That's so sad that you had to check that guys post history then post it.
You are an incredibly lame individual for doing that.
His last post is asking if his system is good enough to run WAR, that makes him a WAR fanboi?
you make me sick.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I'm a software developer for a large corporation and I can assure you that your sentiments are echoed by every customer of software developers around the world...they always think it should take less time or that more should be implemented. The reality is that software development is not something that can be slapped together and shipped out. It takes months of planning, meetings etc just to come up with a solid design. Then that design must be implemented by the software developers and the reality is that designs are NEVER 100% complete because as you begin to develop and start to consider every possible situation, some things just weren't considered in the design. This requires the developers to go back to the designers and ask them how it should work and the design is changed. Sometimes, if the change is large enough, it affects other parts of the design and things that have already been developed must be changed. This will happen many many times throughout the software development cycle. Finally, after much work and rework people begin testing the software and what appeared like a good idea on paper, in practice doesn't work nearly as well as you'd like, so back to the design and development stage and more work and rework. When finally you have a finished design and the code matches the design, there's still the matter of fixing bugs, polishing things, making changes for effeciency and so on. This is a long and hard process and it becomes longer and harder the more you attempt to add for a given release.
I know 2 years sounds like an awful long time, but if you have ever been in software development, you'll know that 6 months is usually required for a fairly small change just to work thru analysis, design, code, test and implementation. There have been a lot of fundamental changes to the game for things like a new class, multiple person mounts, siege weapons, destructable buildings and so on and so forth. All that takes time. I'm sure that Blizzard themselves would love to have added more, but it's tougher than you think.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
well stated pappy13, and i agree whole heartedly. alot of people dont really understand what is involved in the process of designing and implementation updates, or expansions to a big game such as WOW. as you said its not as easy as just slapping together and shipping it out, it takes a good while to implement a design, code it, add art assets, and game mechanics. i understand the process as I was in an indie MMO project myself and its not easy to say the least there is alot involved. and thats putting it mildly.
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You have to realize that WOW takes EQ and tries to improve it....One of the things that EQ did wrong was release too many expansions too quickly.......As a result WoW releases their expansions very slowly so that their customers aren't up in arms over having to buy a new expansion constantly.......Personally I dont understand how anyone can play WoW longer than a couple months but thats just me........
Thanks. All you have to do is look at games like Vanguard and Conan which were in development for years and still had lots of issues to work through after release. Your first thought is "What have they been doing all this time?" Well I can tell you that they haven't just been sitting around drinking coffee and eating donuts, they've been working on it. Probably most of the developers were putting in 50-60 hour weeks or more near the end of the development process, but the bigger the project, the more things that can and will go wrong.
Since Blizzard has already announced a release date of November 13, that means the code they have now is basically finished and they could ship it like it is today. It will take them about another 2 months to fix a few more small problems, go gold, make enough copies of the master copy, package it and ship it out to be in the stores around the world on November 13. Blizzard doesn't set a release date unless they already know the development process is complete.
Think you're joking. There are plenty of problems in beta and those aren't small ones. Classes are really bad balanced. Those 2 months are there for a solid reason.
Think you're joking. There are plenty of problems in beta and those aren't small ones. Classes are really bad balanced. Those 2 months are there for a solid reason.
Nope, I'm not joking.
They will most likely release a patch that will be the first thing you download at release that will fix (or at least attempt to fix) most of the remaining issues. They need a good couple of weeks to create the gold, burn all the CD's, package and ship it to all the distribution outlets etc. For the most part the code they have now is what will go gold. Of course you're not testing the latest and greatest code in beta, you are testing the beta code. Blizzard is usually doing internal testing with code that is one version greater than the one you are testing. Any problems found in the beta or on the public test realms from now till release will most likely be fixed in the patch you will download at release, it won't make it to gold, but as far as your concerned it really won't matter, because the first thing you have to do is download the patch. Why do you think you always have to download a patch just after you bought the CD? Because they have fixed issues in the last couple weeks that didn't make it into the gold.
For example, Warhammer online went gold on August 26th. That code is already outdated. Anyone who installs from the CD will get a patch the first thing they log in to catch it up to current code that the head start people already have.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/902/902825p1.html
I'm a software developer for a large corporation and I can assure you that your sentiments are echoed by every customer of software developers around the world...they always think it should take less time or that more should be implemented. The reality is that software development is not something that can be slapped together and shipped out. It takes months of planning, meetings etc just to come up with a solid design. Then that design must be implemented by the software developers and the reality is that designs are NEVER 100% complete because as you begin to develop and start to consider every possible situation, some things just weren't considered in the design. This requires the developers to go back to the designers and ask them how it should work and the design is changed. Sometimes, if the change is large enough, it affects other parts of the design and things that have already been developed must be changed. This will happen many many times throughout the software development cycle. Finally, after much work and rework people begin testing the software and what appeared like a good idea on paper, in practice doesn't work nearly as well as you'd like, so back to the design and development stage and more work and rework. When finally you have a finished design and the code matches the design, there's still the matter of fixing bugs, polishing things, making changes for effeciency and so on. This is a long and hard process and it becomes longer and harder the more you attempt to add for a given release.
I know 2 years sounds like an awful long time, but if you have ever been in software development, you'll know that 6 months is usually required for a fairly small change just to work thru analysis, design, code, test and implementation. There have been a lot of fundamental changes to the game for things like a new class, multiple person mounts, siege weapons, destructable buildings and so on and so forth. All that takes time. I'm sure that Blizzard themselves would love to have added more, but it's tougher than you think.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
To be honest, I'm just frustrated really. Would'nt be that bothered if it was'nt for the fact that it's dilemma time. I am going to give WAR a try, it does look great, but will obvoiusly end up buying Lich king aswell. I do however think I do have a point about the lack of new battleground content. I would have been quite happy waiting for even a few months more if there were more options than the four pvp instances we already have. I appreciate that there is more to WOW than pvp , with raids and dungeons etc, but I have never had the time to get locked into this sort of gameplay and tend to be a solo player. Also , there is no such thing as free content as someone else suggested, unless the subs go to charity.....I reckon Blizzard are working on WORLDS of STARCRAFT for sure....I have heard that all Blizzards future offspring will be able to take part in its beta.