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Mines of Moria versus Wrath of the Lich King!
Majestico
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So Blizzard has announced that it's second expansion pack for WoW will hit the stores on November 13th.
For awhile now, I have thought that Lord of the Rings Online's first expansion; Mines of Moria was due to be released on November 14th. Is this true? If so, do you think that Blizzard's decision to release their's one day earlier is deliberate?
I am a fan of both games. However, I must admit that I am much more excited to see Mines of Moria than Wrath. The fact that it is mostly set in a vast, underground dungeon, is very appealing, and ambitious, and I don't think something like this has been attempted before.
Wrath I think will be an improvement over The Burning Crusade, and I am keen to see what form this 'increased story-telling' expansion will take. For me though, Mines is where my interest is at.
I'd like to hear you folks' opinions.
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Great question.
I'll be scoring both, because as I see it..they are both compelling fantasy gaming environments.
Mines of Moria? For pure adventuring / exploring, lets face it..this is the place to be in Middle Earth. You can have your Gap of Rohan, topside Misty Mountains and Shire. Give me the mysterious, vast Dwarven depths filled with eerie mysteries. Im so there.
Lich King. I dont know what it is, but Im a sucker for cold, frozen fantasy landscapes. Much more than forests and plains. Blizz, does superb atmospheres, Im there as well.
Golden age for MMO fans this last half of 2008, Two great looking expansions and Warhammer. Late nights here we come...
I'll be buying MoM for myself and my daughter is currently trying War. If she is bored by November, I'm sure I'll be buying Wrath for her:)
Oh, and if Blizz did schedule their release one day before Turbines date- then I'd say it was deliberate. They gotta be so pi$$ed still that LoTRO won so many Game Of The Y ear awards last year when it was up against Burning Crusade. Another reason they surely dislike Turbine is that their parent company's (Vivendi) arch nemesis in the business world is Time Warner. TW just partnered up with Turbine and gave them 40 million buckeroos for a future unnamed MMO to be developed. And the head of Blizz has to feel competitive towards Turbine. I saw a published report of the "Most Influential Game Developers" in the USA. and Blizz's CEO was #1 but Steefel, from Turbine, was #2.
This could get verrrrry interesting in the future.
Why would Blizzard be concerned or even competitive with a niche MMO with low numbers? LoTRO has nothing on WoW as far as subscriptions go... maybe they set that release date to be a dick, which I wouldn't put past them. You only get one chance to make an impression, LoTRO was hoping for 1mil+ subs, they missed their mark by hundreds of thousands and unless they make the game free they will NEVER see those numbers (and if you read the forums, you'll know that the fans of LoTRO don't even want those kind of numbers)... All you are going to see is WoTLK dominate the sales charts and put MoM sales far in its shadow.
Maybe if Turbine, you know, advertised like you're supposed to then things may have been different...
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
You have no way of knowing how may subscribers LOTRO has. Its true its not as many as Wow.
What you guys should be talking about, is all the features in WOTLK, that are taken directly from LOTRO and MoM expansion.
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well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
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Nice link.
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I'll be honest I have not realy looked for any news/videos on the new MoM expansion, is it in beta yet? is there an NDA?
Its always amazed me that blizzard dont realy operate with an NDA they are happy for info to get out there and video to popup and its not harmed WoW in anyway.
Why dont other devs take this route?
The only direct deliberation I expect of Blizzard is their eye to time the market for the holiday season.
They have nothing to fear from LOTRO. The only thing they have to fear is themselves, really.
Its comming out the day after...and there are a ton of articles about it.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
You clearly have not been paying attention.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well.
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well.
Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well.
Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
what ballpark do you think lotro's sub numbers are then to deem it 'successful'?
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well.
Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
what ballpark do you think lotro's sub numbers are then to deem it 'successful'?
Enough to pay all the bills, continue development, and create an expansion, continue advertisement promotions ? ETC...
You’re going to tell me its not?
Going by your forum avatar, I bet only millions is what you would consider successful, like most sheep new to the genre.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either.
Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691
I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm.
If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
Even though Turbine keeps mum about their sub numbers, their distributor's CEO in Europe let it slip in a news interview. 300k sales in Europe and double that in the US. LoTRO has sold 900k units worldwide at the time of that article. Why doesn't Turbine come forth and brag? Because of WoW's "12 million" of course. Maybe they will announce it if they hit the "1 Million" milestone someday:)
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/technology-news/2008/06/19/gamehorizon-david-solari-51140-21108133/
Correct.
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How are you?" -Me
This has been a MAJOR complaint from many LoTRO players. Turbine has done a terrible job marketing their game and marketing their upcoming expansion. Beta sign ups from MoM have been going for quite some time but the gaming community as a whole has no idea. No articles are done, not big announcements, no banner ads on websites announcing it. Heck... at one time the homepage on www.lotro.com went almost an entire month without a single update to it.
I don't think Blizzard has anything to worry about when it comes to keeping WoW on top. They have the money the resources and the marketing to keep their game in the limelight.
To the poster who commented about WoTLK having MoM elements thrown into it, well duh! When has blizzard ever created anything original for their game? Everything in it is just a beefed up version of someone else's work. That's not a criticism, it's just fact.
There is nothing ambitious or original about setting an expansion in an underground dungeon. What a silly statement. Never been attempted before? Loads of expansions to mmos add extra dungeons. I seem to remember one expansion in DaoC being completley underground and even adding an underwater city. LotRO is quite possibly one of the least original mmos out of all of them.
If you want to pit both the expansions against each other then the only way of doing that would be through the number of sales each gets and the amount of extra subscribers and money each one gains. Everyone knows that WoW is a giant and will sell a LOT more than silly old LotRO.....not that I will be buying either of them mind you. Blizzard does indeed have nothing to fear from Turbine and having the release date 1 day ahead of Turbines product may have been coincidence or it may have simply been a way of banging the nail in the coffin harder just for amusement.
Start Epeen Jerk off....... freaking newbs.
Anyway, I enjoyed both games Pve wise Lotro just does it better.
WoW may have more subs but that really means nothing.
Think about the music genre for a second just because Backstreet boys sold a ton of albums did that mean they were the best?
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Indeed it really doesnt matter either way does it.......so why did the OP start this thread at all? Oh yeah it was to start a verbal battle which is what mmorpg.com is all about
As a side note though its true that the fact that one game sells more copies than another doesnt indicate it is a better quality product. It does however indicate that more people prefer it so the fact that WoW has more subs doesnt mean nothing at all......it means something......that there are more players willing to pay money to play WoW than there are that want to play LotRO.
The games in my opinion are different enough that they shouldn't be compared unless you say "Yeah, they're both MMOs", and they both attrract people. I've played both LORTO and WOW, quit, and went back. I have certain expirences that I've had/gained from each that the other couldn't offer.
No offensed to the OP, I don't think was your intention but most people try to get some sort of comfort when new MMOs (or expansions) are launched because they are afraid that players wil migrate to another game, and they'll be left alone. At the end of the day, you'll like what you like.
Waiting for:
Blizzards Next MMO in 2014, lol
Hey dum dum.....
Boxsales DOES NOT EQUAL subs.
WoW has been on the sales charts top 5 ever since it came out and never left, hell i've never seen it leave the bloody top 5 each time i visit one of the game shops and right now it's somehow sitting on #1.
LOTR subs may be above 200k but it's not above 400k, i know too many who bought LOTR and stopped playing shortly after, many of ehich were veteran mmo players, them coming back to WoW is always a little odd, when you think look at this site but then again this site is number 1 WoW hating site
Anyway i always actually wanted to try out LOTR, maybe i'm afraid to like the game, or i don't want my love for the LOTR IP to go down the drain if i play the mmorpg.
Also as someone else said, it's because of the holiday season, not any other game, Blizzard could care less about the others, it's a billion dollar company, which has thrown over 250 million into a 2 year old (still secret!) next gen mmo.
If WoW loses 1 mill subs to WAR, do Blizzard cry? Nope they wait for them to crawl back to WoW at WotLK launch or when they announce their next gen mmo, or give out more info on D3/SC2.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Hey dum dum.....
Boxsales DOES NOT EQUAL subs.
Qmire,
If you read the post I quoted, the person said LoTRO sold no more than 270k BOX SALES. We weren't talking about subs. We were talking about 2007 yearly sales figures.
Learn to read better before calling people kiddy names please:)