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Not Another Korean Grindfest!!!
jimbles4000
Member Posts: 30
in Aion
Nope its not and im tired of people lookin at it and saying it is. Take 10 minutes to read about the game here http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/6508-anyone-else-think-game-lineage-3-a.html Fleiva covers it pretty well.
Its not going to take a week to hit max lvl like other games do, but it's not going to be near as long as most of the games you people keep comparing it too. I don't mind grinds, but its obvious this game isn't going to be one.
I know there are other threads about this but they don't get to the point imo.
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I agree just because it's from Korea. People need to take the time to read the reviews and visit some of the fan sites dedicated to Aion before saying ingnorant things about a game beforehand.
Don't you guys already see the picture of this game? This is the first korean mmorpg that is western oriented instead of the traditional korean grindfests.
Music is the science of manipulating people trough sound.
I agree with the OP.
Unfortunately, most of whoever says this is a grindfest doesn't care whether this is a grindfest or not. Most of the time they don't like Korean-made period. The damage is done. Only they can undo this stereotype, hopefully NCSoft's Aion will set the prime example.
"When you're born you're naked, when you die you're naked again, and in-between all we do is work, eat, and play MMOs." ~Forum Warrior #141
I don't know if this game will be a "grindfest" or not, but I think the terms "grind" and "grindfest" are very subjective things. One person's "fast leveling" may be another person's "grindfest". I do agree that it is a stereotype given to Korean games in general, and like the last poster believe that this game will have to undo that stereotype (after actually being released) by actually being different and proving it.
Yes, Aion isn't going to be much of a grinding like other Korean MMO's, but then again what is grinding? It is many times announced that this game will be presented for the Western people's taste, so least of my concerns is grindfest, rather if Abyss turns out to be good.
This is not going to be another grind fest, but something more special, I hope the NCSoft really puts this one together, I hope this will be the best Asian MMORPG beyond FFXI, Lineage series, but like 5 million world wide, oh i hope
Well i am personaly happy that Aion is produced by NCSoft and specialy by a korean developer.
From my point of view koreans really know how to make mmo's fun but in a way i am kinda disapointed is too easy to lvl .
I was been looking for this kind of game since i hit lvl 60 in WoW pre BC and got very disapointed about thats no pvp system rather than just do BG's.
Masive siege wars outdoors is what i like and only asian mmo's seem to cover this part.
Well it should still have great world pvp even if there isn't a lvl grind.
Also, I know there are different definitions of grind, but you have to look at the opposites of eachother and use that as a scale, like games that take days to weeks to max a character and those that take months to years.
so:
<Easy----------Aion------------Hard>
Feel free to edit the scale, and move Aion in the direction you want but support the move with info.
The easiest game I have played was WoW thats where I get easy, hard comes from L2 and RF online. This is where I think Aion lands from all the info I've been reading, and the experiences in leveling I've had.
so agree with ya
I agree that it wont be a grind and am looking forward to playing it, but what exactly is a grindfest per se? I went back to L2 with a free trial once and I only played like 7 days out of it (not even relentlessly) and managed to hit lvl 40 and get my class transfer quests done all by way of solo play. I also tried WoWs free trial version and playing at the same pace I didn't even manage to hit lvl 16 (yes I was doing quests as it's pretty much the only way to lvl). Every game has grind and I guess it's just how they mask it.
from what they said this is not ganna be a super grindy game (thank god)
they said it would be just like wow is now which isnt horrible...
and i hate people who judge before they even have a chance to acctuallty see the game!!!!!!
i think this is ganna be amazing the graphics and the gamplay its original and i know no matter what im going to get it!!!
What mmorpg is not about grinding?
WoW? certainly not, lots of grinding there. Aion will likely be similar. Wich is not a bad thing at all.
Why the hype-meter is full of posts "another asian grindfest", is beyond me. They add nothing, give no information and no basis for the vote. And I think those should be removed.
It's not beyond me. Darkfall fanbois, obviously. They had a campaign to spam the hype-o-meter. They spammed Stargate with comments like Zzzzz and Lame and spammed CotS with comments like:
If I could give less hype I would. DF2008
looks coo, but it gets a 1 for the sake of DF
Yeah, they're just that stupid.
But, on the plus side, they ensured that if anyone ever asks me about their pathetic, never-to-be-released game, I'll tell them to avoid it based on community.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Yep...this is the point. Every game involves some type of grinding. What made WoW and other games successful isn't that there isn't a grind, it is simply the wonderful way in which the devs mask the grind through story lines, quests, etc.
From what I have read about Aion so far is that even the quests are going to be different that what we are used to. Sure there will be kill 10 of these quests or gather 10 of those quests but there are also going to be cutscene type quests that are completely different. One such quest type I thought I remember reading about in Aion is something similar to your character being transformed into a bird (for some reason I am thinking a parrot) and you spying on a NPC to get information with lots of story lines, cutscenes, and voiceovers to really get the player a feeling of involvement in the game. I personally cannot wait.
Add that to the killer PvP in the Abyss and the Raids/Castle seiges and you just may have yourself one very incredible game
Yep...this is the point. Every game involves some type of grinding. What made WoW and other games successful isn't that there isn't a grind, it is simply the wonderful way in which the devs mask the grind through story lines, quests, etc.
From what I have read about Aion so far is that even the quests are going to be different that what we are used to. Sure there will be kill 10 of these quests or gather 10 of those quests but there are also going to be cutscene type quests that are completely different. One such quest type I thought I remember reading about in Aion is something similar to your character being transformed into a bird (for some reason I am thinking a parrot) and you spying on a NPC to get information with lots of story lines, cutscenes, and voiceovers to really get the player a feeling of involvement in the game. I personally cannot wait.
Add that to the killer PvP in the Abyss and the Raids/Castle seiges and you just may have yourself one very incredible game
Well thats not entirely what grinding is to most people. Quest grinding is a form of grinding yes, but when people say grinding they mean killing mobs 24/7 to get a level a week.(with respect to leveling)
WoW is a horrible example of a hidden grind because they hid it so well that it takes 4 days now for some hardcore people to max a character. I dont care what anyone says thats just fail. I suppose the content helps but its just too easy.
Saying that, this is how I see grind and how its generally viewed;
grind=rate of exp + Time to lvl
WoW: very fast exp rate + a day = not a grind
Harder Games : ungodly slow exp rates to the point I try not to look at the bar + a month/ over a week = grind
Content wouldnt change that equation for me and most people.
As long as the quests give decent exp without over simplifying the leveling it will be a good in between on the leveling scale, and fun to play. Which looks like the case here.
The point of this post was to try and clarify what I meant originally by "Grindfest", because that is what people mean by the asian grindfest standard.
For a game that's been in development forever and will probably have a slow launch, I would expect their community to be far better then this. As you said they are ensuring anyone with half a brain avoids Darkfall. Can't say I'm too optimistic about the success of this game, which is unfortunate.
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For a game that's been in development forever and will probably have a slow launch, I would expect their community to be far better then this. As you said they are ensuring anyone with half a brain avoids Darkfall. Can't say I'm too optimistic about the success of this game, which is unfortunate.
The idea behind DF is interesting, but those are just the worst kind of people to play with. Its pretty obvious they do most of the trash talking about other games.
But, thats why we need a thread like this so that people actually looking into the game see that the trash talk is coming from the immature people who need to trash talk about a game just to get people to look at theirs.
And just out of spite DF looks ugly as hell =P
surely grinding is more about the tedium and monotony more than the time it takes to level.
If a game took a week or more to go up a level but you didn't notice because all the story driven quests etc. you've been going on are so varied and the gameplay itself is so much fun, then such a game couldn't be called a grindfest surely?
grinding is when you're doing something boring, again and again, just for the sake of xp.
A good game should be the inverse, doing a variety of different things that you want to do because they're fun, and getting xp out of it too.
Aion looks like it wil be closer to the latter.
Which is what I meant, sorry if you thought I was saying something else.
If the exp is slow enough i don't care how good the quest is its going to get boring and be a grind.
You know I really don't know what to say to you guy's. I am apart of the DarkFall community. I actually came here because some of you guys made negative post's on our forums and came to check you guys out was merely going to ask why but after seeing this thread I don't think it matters. I infact look at Aion as an Asian Grind MMO and I will explain why. I view MMORPG's in two styles and two styles only. Grind games and Sandbox's. A grind game has levels and relies on content , level progression, gear progression ect. to keep it's player base entertained. Sandox's offer enough freedom for players to create there own content and things are revolving around progression. You can even degress in a sandbox which is something I enjoy. I can evetualy get some excellent gear and have a chance to lose it. I can change skills when I want and pretty much create my own class. I simply do not enjoy the majority of the grind centric MMO's. EQ2, WoW, AoC, FFXI, even Aion to me are Grind games. This doesn't mean there bad it just means it's not for me. I actualy gave it a 4 on the hype meter not because of some call to arms on the DarkFall forums that everyone is claiming is the reason DarkFall is on top, but because thats how hyped I was about the game itself. I myself saw the thread and ignored it as the majority did. Few even replied to it and if any did participate in it it was even fewer than those that replied.
In fact if you would like to understand where they were comming from I believe I can help. Prior to that post many communities including this one have been consistantly trolling, flamming and giving the lol 1 vapoware ratings to downgrade DarkFalls Hype meter. I originaly gave SGW (Star Gate Worlds) a 10 rating but after trying my 3 Sci-fi MMORPG I gave it a 7 because while I realy enjoy the movies and series alot of the Sci-Fi MMO's are based on I have to say I have found I have a hard time getting into a Sci-Fi MMORPG.
I Gave Aion a 4. Reason being is I thought the Graphics were good and the flying was interesting I did not enjoy the overall concept but I was willing to try it to some degree because of how much I liked FFXI. FFXI holds a special place for me because in my 5 year run of playing it I met my wife in game and we eventualy hooked up in real life and the story goes from there. To me the Asian style Grind games always have a more romantic feel to them. While this was something I utterly enjoyed for a long time with my GF (later my wife) we both grew tired of the game and the style of it. For overall fun factor I prefer Sandbox's. I was actualy considering ,as was she , calling this our joint MMORPG while DarkFall would be my main and Citadel of Sorcery would become her main when it was released. I like FFA PvP but she is iffy about it (Still willing to try it though lol) . After reading some of the negative posts and such on the DarkFall forums by those that seem to be Aion fans I decided to come over and check these forums and see how the overall community was. After doing so me and my GF both have decided against Aion. While I enjoy the company of the DarkFall community as a whole (Yes there are a few bad apples) I can say that my first impression of the Aion community is not a good one. You can check the DarkFall forums if you like but it isn't filled with "lol I gave it a 1 just because" posts. Considering this whole thread is filled with that sort of mentality I have a hard time seeing where you guys are comming from with the hostility to the DarkFall community. Ive searched this forum for the DarkFall players that flame and troll Aion and I don't see any yet you guys are over in the DarkFall forums doing this. Maybe not everyone but you seem to have your bad apples as well.
To Long didn't read version:
It seems you are openly admiting to doing what you are acuising the DarkFall community of doing. While there was a thread that called to arms the DF community to retalliate against those that have been trolling, flamming DarkFall forums and giving 1 ratings on the hype meter saying "I gave it a 1 lol Vaporware." not many replied to it most ignored it and those that did reply to it there was even a smaller percentage of those that even participated in it. We do have our few bad apples but seems you guys do as well. Don't worry though I will not be sinking to the level of the Aion community and lowering my rating I believe it deserved a 4 and I won't change that because of how I now feel about the community. I wish you guys luck and hope you enjoy your game.
Also as far as the whole DarkFall hijacked the hype meter the original post was people need to go vote on MMORPG.com to help DarkFall become #1. There were a few people that decided to rate other games in the list with a 1. While this is there right it isn't the most honorable thing to do unless they really didn't care for these games. With that said I don't think anyone would rate down a game they enjoyed. And I would aslo like to point out a similar thread made in the same spirit..... Might be familiar.....
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/145581/page/1
The above thread was created in the same spirit as the DarkFall thread. Your thread bread a few bad apples as did our thread. The majority of the posters in our thread were however against the idea and wanted nothing to do with MMORPG.com or the Hype meter and flammed the OP and told him he belonged in the newbie forums. I personaly gave SGW 7 Aion 4 DarkFall 10 TCS (The chronicles of spellborn) 5 ect ect ect only game I have given the lowest possible score to is an Already released MMORPG AoC because I honestly felt it deserved it. I even gave Warhammer a game I will not play a mid ranged score because it went with a DAoC style game play rather than the standard crud companies are pushing out there now days.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/564666
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/376145/page/4
Anyone can blame a community and make negative claims about them. Like the above forum members rated DarkFall down and called it "Vaporware" around the same time as your Post for a hype boost. And they were posting in Aion forums around the time and favorably. Should we blame your community for this as a whole?
Since anyone can make multiple accounts here, I guess it's hard to tell who's who.
These aren't exactly proof of fanboism or just pure coincidence but, it's an example of what's going on in the Aion and darkfall hype/rating comments:
Hype comments by kaizenx-
Aion - Korea PLEASE stop making anymore MMO's, for God sake...
Darkfall - Will revolutionise MMO's
by mo0rbid -
Aion - sigh.. asian mmos
Darkfall - Looking forward to UO in 3D
by coverzin -
Aion - Not impressed.
Darkfall - This is everything I've been waiting for, and more.
by fessbouk -
Aion - I don't like asian-looking mmorpgs.
Darkfall - I like the spirit of the game, i hope it delivers.
by nooblicon-
Aion - Looks crappy.
Darkfall - BA to the max. UO incarnate
etc. etc...
Or see for yourself:
Aion hype comments
Darkfall hype comments
There's been a ton of these ever since Adventurine released that shiny new video. Personally, I don't care since this is pathetic, futile and the rating system pretty much has no meaning due to abuse. Though, when we start getting a dozen of these every day, I think some of us would start getting annoyed and retaliate.
Apparently, there's seems to be a few out there that view Aion as a threat or steal players from other games otherwise I don't see any reason to attack this game directly.
"When you're born you're naked, when you die you're naked again, and in-between all we do is work, eat, and play MMOs." ~Forum Warrior #141
Since anyone can make multiple accounts here, I guess it's hard to tell who's who.
These aren't exactly proof of fanboism or just pure coincidence but, it's an example of what's going on in the Aion and darkfall hype/rating comments:
Hype comments by kaizenx-
Aion - Korea PLEASE stop making anymore MMO's, for God sake...
Darkfall - Will revolutionise MMO's
by mo0rbid -
Aion - sigh.. asian mmos
Darkfall - Looking forward to UO in 3D
by coverzin -
Aion - Not impressed.
Darkfall - This is everything I've been waiting for, and more.
by fessbouk -
Aion - I don't like asian-looking mmorpgs.
Darkfall - I like the spirit of the game, i hope it delivers.
by nooblicon-
Aion - Looks crappy.
Darkfall - BA to the max. UO incarnate
etc. etc...
Or see for yourself:
Aion hype comments
Darkfall hype comments
There's been a ton of these ever since Adventurine released that shiny new video. Personally, I don't care since this is pathetic, futile and the rating system pretty much has no meaning due to abuse. Though, when we start getting a dozen of these every day, I think some of us would start getting annoyed and retaliate.
Apparently, there's seems to be a few out there that view Aion as a threat or steal players from other games otherwise I don't see any reason to attack this game directly.
The point is I don't see where the animosity is comming from for DarkFall or the community. We have suffered the exact same attacks you guy's have and have been having them for alot longer. The fact that Aion fans are trolling DarkFall forums makes it look like you guys are intimidated by it. Besides DarkFall fans or haters who's going to see it lol? If there a fan of DarkFall it's only going to continue making you guy's look bad. If there a hater there stance is already in your favor or atleast they are against us so there isn't much need to try and convience them. Ive said what I needed to say so I'll leave you guys be, but considering we don't troll your forums I was just hoping for the same respect we show you guys. I may not overly enjoy the concepts of Aion but that doesn't mean I go around herassing it's fans or trashing the game. That is truely a sign of a bad community. Have a good day and enjoy your game.
All games get attacked the moment the masses first hear about it, especially and including Aion. Everyone has their preferences and opinions. The only reason Darkfall has suffered more trolling is because it's been in development for over 7 years, a promised release date over 2 years ago, people became skeptical. Don't state it as if only Aion fans are the main griefers.
Unfortunately, not everyone thinks the same way as you do, so, all the haters will continue to do their business reguardless of what you, I, or anyone else have to say. You're letting silly things like other people's opinions and actions bother you.
I hope you'll enjoy Darkfall, g'day.
"When you're born you're naked, when you die you're naked again, and in-between all we do is work, eat, and play MMOs." ~Forum Warrior #141
If a game feels like a grind to me, thats because of 1 (or more ) of the reasons below:
1. Most game features wont be available untill high lvl.
An example would be faster travel using mount or vehicle in a world/questing system that is clearly designed for traveling on mount or vehicle.
2. All low lvl PVE is uninspiring and has little lore or interactivitiy (the kill x quests where x stands for dozens of mobs.)
3. Oldschool money sinks. Where standard game features costs more ingame money then you would gain through levelling. To 'earn' it you have to go out of your way to farm credits. Taking time away from the fun content.
Example is buying skills/crafting recipes or a mount in some games.
This is how I see many Korean grindfests. Although I see point 3 also in LOTRO/WoW. And less so in EQ2.
WAR online is the first MMO I played since GW where you see all features available at low lvl (except mount, but who cares with so few travelling). They prove that oldschool grind is not needed in any game, but still chosable if you prefer it.
Well, if they want to live thinking Aion is a grindfest, best for them. I mean it will be better for us, trully good players, to play this game in peace and enjoying it, than having a lot of kids talking about WoW and WAR and DF all the time in the OOC and General chat...
Just leave them be, dont discuss with kids or try to convince them.