Again, not sure what you mean, I just re-read the whole thread and nowhere does it mention 'reset', so either you're on the wrong thread, or you misunderstood someone.
For that, I saw that in BC. Ppl complained about how the greens were better than their epics early on (though alot was just whining since a full Tier 2 was still good at lvl 64-65 for the bonuses) but it went away and most of those same ppl were at 70 with their new gear.
It's an adjustment change, but isn't a deal breaker for gaming.
My fellow MMO players , its happening as we speak. The unthinkable is happening. WOW finally has competition! In fact WOW is being brutally pwned by a game that made PVP fun for EVERYONE (yes including carebear and hardcores - in fact there is big battle of carebears vs hardcores happening right now somwhere on WAR servers) Dont listen to naysayers. Cause they them self will be playing WAR pretty soon
Only If you play your MMO for social intellectual reasons you could skip WAR ,
But if the reson you play MMO is to have FUN , than your time has finally come.
Looking at xfire this game has had no real impact.... During the week it might be down so but on the weekends it is unaffected. So maybe some wow people are testing out war.... Feedback from my friends is that it is a wow wannabe and falls short of wow. So they looked, they said so what, and went back to wow... Not a huge samplining for sure. But it doesn't look like this game is gonna affect wow at all.
People have been talking about a WoW reset on here, id like to know what there talking about?
THe gear reset when Wotlk comes out since 70 gear will be pointless after you've used it for months and now level 4-6 levels on it before you drop it.
What he said. I don't consider it a reset, just by level 75-76 probably will start finding upgrades, after all its the stats that are important not the color of the item. Some see it as a waste becuase they have to keep ugrading some love to do it, in the end there is nothing wrong with this model, just a different type of progress.
This game hasn't been so bad, i do get bored though and i quest and jump into the scenarios, i'm not much of a pvp person and well this game doesn't change my mind on that either, its still a zerg, i keep seeing people say war's pvp takes skill, i really don't see how, you have auto attack and spells you use to fight, same as wow, i'm not sure where the skill comes from -shrug-
Nobody talks, i'm on an RP server...there is no RP, crafting...they shouldn't have even bothered if they weren't gonna even try to make it good, i'll have to find a game that has really good crafting because if you love that aspect off mmo's WAR isn't for you at all.
I like the PQ's but they are pretty much dead once everyone moves on, so your pretty much screwed if you start the game later on. If someone asked me if they should play it i would tell them to wait for a free trial and see what they think, the game isn't worth hyping up to people so i will let them decide once a free trial comes out.
Do love the CE of it i picked up, that was well made and i like the artwork and comic in it.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Just sat reading some of these "PLAY WAR", "SUBSCRIBE NOW" posts and what aload of bullshit that is. Bought the game, played to level 27, got bored, back to WoW. This isnt a successful game and wont be a successful game and will never hit 10 million + players.
I surprised that no one called prada boy here on it yet, but if you are indeed rank 27 prove it. Character name and server so we can look you up.
Frankly if you are rank 27 I think you missed the point of WAR, you would have obviously had to pve grind up to that level non-stop and this is a pvp game.
Im playing WAR too. It's not that special. Im going to stick it out until the end game to see what its all about. But right now im rank 16 and questing is the same, senarios aren't much different than WOW battlegrounds. So hopefully there are better things to come. Even RVR doesn't seem all to exciting yet.
You got to 27 in under a week...i smell bs here. Unless you power grinded missing out on everything fun to do. This game isnt for everyone though, have fun regrinding 10 levels and getting new gear in a few months playing wow's new expansion.
I don't doubt it at all. I'm surprised no one was level-cap in the first 48 hours, to be honest.
This is Phase 1, where players race to end-game, skipping as much content as they can along the way so they can be among the first to get to level cap.
Phase 2 is where those people start blaming the designers for a "lack of content" and call the game a failure for having content in the "useless lower levels" instead of focusing mostly on end-game (where they want it to be).
This isn't even me being facetious... It's happened in most every MMO I've followed since WoW came along.
The behavior is consistent..
- They race through the game to "beat it" (a "console gamer" behavior completely counter-intuitive to the core concept of a MMO which *has* no end),
- They insist the end-game is the only part that matters and is the entire point of playing a MMO.
- They insist that the content along the way is useless filler placed there by the developers to "slow people down and make them pay more money" (which, from their mindset, where "beating the game as fast as possible" is the entire point of playing in the first place, probably makes perfect sense)
- When challenged by those who say "well, if you'd slow down and actually *play* the game instead of racing through it, you might enjoy it more", they respond with retorts that usually include self-edifying comments like "Just because you suck at playing MMOs..." and "Don't blame me for being a hardcore gamer".
- They pan the game, complain about how it sucks, how the devs are clueless and don't listen to the players (translated: "The devs are stupid because they didn't make the game specifically for *me*"), how it's going to fail.. and on and on and on.
You can almost copy and paste the comments between different games' forums, and the results would be indistinguishable.
I'm just sitting back and waiting for it to happen. Those who say "well WAR isn't designed to let that happen"... I've heard that about other MMOs, too. Trust me, those players will always find a way.
That said... I do not think WAR has "pwned" WoW. IMO, It's a solid and fun game and I think it will enjoy its share of success. But it's not going to "pwn" WoW. Frankly... It doesn't have to.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
My fellow MMO players , its happening as we speak. The unthinkable is happening. WOW finally has competition! In fact WOW is being brutally pwned by a game that made PVP fun for EVERYONE (yes including carebear and hardcores - in fact there is big battle of carebears vs hardcores happening right now somwhere on WAR servers) Dont listen to naysayers. Cause they them self will be playing WAR pretty soon
Only If you play your MMO for social intellectual reasons you could skip WAR ,
But if the reson you play MMO is to have FUN , than your time has finally come.
Looking at xfire this game has had no real impact.... During the week it might be down so but on the weekends it is unaffected. So maybe some wow people are testing out war.... Feedback from my friends is that it is a wow wannabe and falls short of wow. So they looked, they said so what, and went back to wow... Not a huge samplining for sure. But it doesn't look like this game is gonna affect wow at all.
war is nothing like wow, but i guess you just have to play it for yourself instead of litsening to what other people say. I play war and if it was like wow i wouldnt be playing it.
Enthusiasm is great but WAR is not a WoW-killer. It wasn't meant to be a WoW-killer. Mythic has said repeatedly they're not trying to 'pwn' WoW.
Mythic made a game for people who enjoy RvR mechanics and don't like multi-hour Instance Dungeon Raids that are WoW's foundation. Now we will see how big the RvR market actually is and we won't have a real grasp for a least a month or two.
WAR is an alternative to WoW for people who have grown bored with it People who still enjoy WoW (and there are lots of those) will continue to play WoW and they will not give up that game anytime soon.
WAR can finally do what all other post-WoW MMORPGs have failed to do - show that the MMORPG market has expanded enough to support more than just one big title at a time. If it does that, then players will have more options for games and can choose which game they like best.
WoW and WAR will co-exist. And the MMORPG genre will be all the better for it.
Originally posted by Lobotomist Dont listen to naysayers. Cause they them self will be playing WAR pretty soon
Can't say I agree Lobo
Nice to know you found a game you enjoy...have fun; I'm still looking for a good one :P
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
My fellow MMO players , its happening as we speak. The unthinkable is happening. WOW finally has competition! In fact WOW is being brutally pwned by a game that made PVP fun for EVERYONE (yes including carebear and hardcores - in fact there is big battle of carebears vs hardcores happening right now somwhere on WAR servers) Dont listen to naysayers. Cause they them self will be playing WAR pretty soon
Only If you play your MMO for social intellectual reasons you could skip WAR ,
But if the reson you play MMO is to have FUN , than your time has finally come.
OMG OMG, im gonna pee in my pants cause of the excitement...
Please stop this advertising posts, they polute the forum.
I would have to certainly agree, WAR is far superior to WOW in almost every respect, what WOW got right WAR has improved and innovated on. Their RvR system is sheer brilliance and enjoyment. The king(WOW) is dead long live the king(WAR)!
I have to disagree with you the RvR system just isen't working the way the game is now, for an RvR system to work you need a roughly balanced population and with the mass of people rolling horde it's leave order out in the cold on all but a few of the servers where both sides have high population, on the 3 servers I've tryed the RvR areas are barely used simply because theres not enough order to put up any kind of a fight.
I would have to certainly agree, WAR is far superior to WOW in almost every respect, what WOW got right WAR has improved and innovated on. Their RvR system is sheer brilliance and enjoyment. The king(WOW) is dead long live the king(WAR)!
Delusions that this game will defeat WoW threads are so hilarious. This game will never beat WoW, and when i say never I mean never beat wow. And i hate wow so you know im not hear to tell lies. When the WoW killer is created Everybody will know and this doesnt let everybody know.
Population count as sod all to do with it, I am on a highly populated server with high order and high destruction.
I have completed tier one rvr on several occasions.
However I have to agree that there is a problem with it but I disagree with it being related to population.
The problem is tactics and classes, order tends to be heavily outclassed by destruction in almost every engagement I have had.
Order RvR for the high elves tends to end up with 75% shadow warriors and 25% the other classes. This is just going to result in failure every time with destruction fielding a balanced mixture of tanks, melee and range attackers. Many a times have I watched my fellow shadowwarrior elves be rushed and slaughtered by a melee / tank destruction player.
The problem is that with the elf RvR people need to get over the fear of being a white lion or a swordmaster so they can get in the mix of things and kill the enemies before they rush.
At the minute I am rushing ahead all by myself and getting my ass handed to me because of lack of support. Destruction side is almost always well balanced with lines of ranged attacker and healers with melee and tanks in front. With that kind of formation, unless you know what you are doing you're going to get pwned.
I strongly urge players to create guilds for RvR with players selecting to focus on a particular class to compliment the war party. So when you finally do go into RvR at least your group will be more focused and balanced.
For the tier 1 RvR of the High Elves I would recommend 33% shadowwarriors taking up sniping positions long the highest points overlooking the capture location. Then 50% tanks and melee players to grind away the attacking forces and push he fight forward with the remaining players being healers. A combination of tanks and melee with sniping rangers should be enough to clear most levels.
Your wrong about pop meaning nothing in game that susposed to be world pvp it means everything go on any server that has a high dest pop and a low to med order pop and I think you'll find there is next to no pvp outside scenarios, to me that means a game that was promoting vast world pvp and castle sieges has failed when there simply not happening.
I doubt WHO would make me happy. I called wow a stupid pvp game before I tried it and found it more open than expected. I see no reason why WHO would do that
Ha ha. Now I know why they changed the Title. I never realized that the acronym for the old title was WHO. LOL
I would have to certainly agree, WAR is far superior to WOW in almost every respect, what WOW got right WAR has improved and innovated on. Their RvR system is sheer brilliance and enjoyment. The king(WOW) is dead long live the king(WAR)!
As far as I can see populations are balanced as I said I play on a HIGHLY populated server!
You need to remember that the servers stack login request once one side gets to full, thats why on my server the queue to get in as destruction is like SILLY high and the queue to get into order is like 1 minute.
This clearly shows that the population is highly balanced. There are a limited number of slots per side to login too. When one side uses all them slots then it stops players logging in till players leave.
Its ABOUT classes!
Order players need to get their collective head out of their collective @$$es and think about strategy instead of thinking they can all be snipers and win the day. You need to mix up the classes on the order's side and work together to win.
I know this since it is HOW we won own RvR, our side was mixed and we all did our part.
As far as I can see populations are balanced as I said I play on a HIGHLY populated server! You need to remember that the servers stack login request once one side gets to full, thats why on my server the queue to get in as destruction is like SILLY high and the queue to get into order is like 1 minute. This clearly shows that the population is highly balanced. There are a limited number of slots per side to login too. When one side uses all them slots then it stops players logging in till players leave. Its ABOUT classes! Order players need to get their collective head out of their collective @$$es and think about strategy instead of thinking they can all be snipers and win the day. You need to mix up the classes on the order's side and work together to win. I know this since it is HOW we won own RvR, our side was mixed and we all did our part. The name of the game here is Strategy not Zerg.
Just look at the sever list next time you log in, in the EU there is around 4-5 servers where both sides have high populations but the vast majority aren't like that most are low to mid order and high with queues destruction.
I agree with the balancing issues. It was the same issue with WoW where everyone wanted to be Horde. That's the inherant problem with RvR. There is no way to ensure you are going to get any sort of balance. And even if you do there is no way to ensure an equal number of people are playing at the same time. The only way is to do instanced battles that force even matches.
As for WoW being owned.. That's how grownups spell pwned... I don't think so. This will be a niche game. It will not over the long run appeal to the same audience as WoW.
So far I've got a character to lvl 11 and I still don't really understand the nature of the world and the races. Other than that they all are fighting each other in various places.
The graphics are decent but dated. The sound is good. Performance is only soso considering the lack of graphical detail. The storytelling is horrible. The quest writing is and flow is pitiful. The crafting system is the most bizarre I have ever seen. Public quests are cool. Combat system is well done. I would give the game overall a 5. Maybe my opinion will change before my paid for month is up. Otherwise it's back to LotRO or maybe try the wow expansion.
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People have been talking about a WoW reset on here, id like to know what there talking about?
Again, not sure what you mean, I just re-read the whole thread and nowhere does it mention 'reset', so either you're on the wrong thread, or you misunderstood someone.
It's all good though, no harm done.
THe gear reset when Wotlk comes out since 70 gear will be pointless after you've used it for months and now level 4-6 levels on it before you drop it.
ROFL, how is that a reset, woah we gotta grind new gear, so what, thats what a game about hence EXPANSION.
For that, I saw that in BC. Ppl complained about how the greens were better than their epics early on (though alot was just whining since a full Tier 2 was still good at lvl 64-65 for the bonuses) but it went away and most of those same ppl were at 70 with their new gear.
It's an adjustment change, but isn't a deal breaker for gaming.
Looking at xfire this game has had no real impact.... During the week it might be down so but on the weekends it is unaffected. So maybe some wow people are testing out war.... Feedback from my friends is that it is a wow wannabe and falls short of wow. So they looked, they said so what, and went back to wow... Not a huge samplining for sure. But it doesn't look like this game is gonna affect wow at all.
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Well said, no impact on WoW whatsoever.
THe gear reset when Wotlk comes out since 70 gear will be pointless after you've used it for months and now level 4-6 levels on it before you drop it.
What he said. I don't consider it a reset, just by level 75-76 probably will start finding upgrades, after all its the stats that are important not the color of the item. Some see it as a waste becuase they have to keep ugrading some love to do it, in the end there is nothing wrong with this model, just a different type of progress.
This game hasn't been so bad, i do get bored though and i quest and jump into the scenarios, i'm not much of a pvp person and well this game doesn't change my mind on that either, its still a zerg, i keep seeing people say war's pvp takes skill, i really don't see how, you have auto attack and spells you use to fight, same as wow, i'm not sure where the skill comes from -shrug-
Nobody talks, i'm on an RP server...there is no RP, crafting...they shouldn't have even bothered if they weren't gonna even try to make it good, i'll have to find a game that has really good crafting because if you love that aspect off mmo's WAR isn't for you at all.
I like the PQ's but they are pretty much dead once everyone moves on, so your pretty much screwed if you start the game later on. If someone asked me if they should play it i would tell them to wait for a free trial and see what they think, the game isn't worth hyping up to people so i will let them decide once a free trial comes out.
Do love the CE of it i picked up, that was well made and i like the artwork and comic in it.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
I surprised that no one called prada boy here on it yet, but if you are indeed rank 27 prove it. Character name and server so we can look you up.
Frankly if you are rank 27 I think you missed the point of WAR, you would have obviously had to pve grind up to that level non-stop and this is a pvp game.
Im playing WAR too. It's not that special. Im going to stick it out until the end game to see what its all about. But right now im rank 16 and questing is the same, senarios aren't much different than WOW battlegrounds. So hopefully there are better things to come. Even RVR doesn't seem all to exciting yet.
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I don't doubt it at all. I'm surprised no one was level-cap in the first 48 hours, to be honest.
This is Phase 1, where players race to end-game, skipping as much content as they can along the way so they can be among the first to get to level cap.
Phase 2 is where those people start blaming the designers for a "lack of content" and call the game a failure for having content in the "useless lower levels" instead of focusing mostly on end-game (where they want it to be).
This isn't even me being facetious... It's happened in most every MMO I've followed since WoW came along.
The behavior is consistent..
- They race through the game to "beat it" (a "console gamer" behavior completely counter-intuitive to the core concept of a MMO which *has* no end),
- They insist the end-game is the only part that matters and is the entire point of playing a MMO.
- They insist that the content along the way is useless filler placed there by the developers to "slow people down and make them pay more money" (which, from their mindset, where "beating the game as fast as possible" is the entire point of playing in the first place, probably makes perfect sense)
- When challenged by those who say "well, if you'd slow down and actually *play* the game instead of racing through it, you might enjoy it more", they respond with retorts that usually include self-edifying comments like "Just because you suck at playing MMOs..." and "Don't blame me for being a hardcore gamer".
- They pan the game, complain about how it sucks, how the devs are clueless and don't listen to the players (translated: "The devs are stupid because they didn't make the game specifically for *me*"), how it's going to fail.. and on and on and on.
You can almost copy and paste the comments between different games' forums, and the results would be indistinguishable.
I'm just sitting back and waiting for it to happen. Those who say "well WAR isn't designed to let that happen"... I've heard that about other MMOs, too. Trust me, those players will always find a way.
That said... I do not think WAR has "pwned" WoW. IMO, It's a solid and fun game and I think it will enjoy its share of success. But it's not going to "pwn" WoW. Frankly... It doesn't have to.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Looking at xfire this game has had no real impact.... During the week it might be down so but on the weekends it is unaffected. So maybe some wow people are testing out war.... Feedback from my friends is that it is a wow wannabe and falls short of wow. So they looked, they said so what, and went back to wow... Not a huge samplining for sure. But it doesn't look like this game is gonna affect wow at all.
war is nothing like wow, but i guess you just have to play it for yourself instead of litsening to what other people say. I play war and if it was like wow i wouldnt be playing it.
Enthusiasm is great but WAR is not a WoW-killer. It wasn't meant to be a WoW-killer. Mythic has said repeatedly they're not trying to 'pwn' WoW.
Mythic made a game for people who enjoy RvR mechanics and don't like multi-hour Instance Dungeon Raids that are WoW's foundation. Now we will see how big the RvR market actually is and we won't have a real grasp for a least a month or two.
WAR is an alternative to WoW for people who have grown bored with it People who still enjoy WoW (and there are lots of those) will continue to play WoW and they will not give up that game anytime soon.
WAR can finally do what all other post-WoW MMORPGs have failed to do - show that the MMORPG market has expanded enough to support more than just one big title at a time. If it does that, then players will have more options for games and can choose which game they like best.
WoW and WAR will co-exist. And the MMORPG genre will be all the better for it.
Can't say I agree Lobo
Nice to know you found a game you enjoy...have fun; I'm still looking for a good one :P
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
OMG OMG, im gonna pee in my pants cause of the excitement...
Please stop this advertising posts, they polute the forum.
I would have to certainly agree, WAR is far superior to WOW in almost every respect, what WOW got right WAR has improved and innovated on.
Their RvR system is sheer brilliance and enjoyment.
The king(WOW) is dead long live the king(WAR)!
I have to disagree with you the RvR system just isen't working the way the game is now, for an RvR system to work you need a roughly balanced population and with the mass of people rolling horde it's leave order out in the cold on all but a few of the servers where both sides have high population, on the 3 servers I've tryed the RvR areas are barely used simply because theres not enough order to put up any kind of a fight.
Delusions that this game will defeat WoW threads are so hilarious. This game will never beat WoW, and when i say never I mean never beat wow. And i hate wow so you know im not hear to tell lies. When the WoW killer is created Everybody will know and this doesnt let everybody know.
Sorry mate thats completely untrue...
Population count as sod all to do with it, I am on a highly populated server with high order and high destruction.
I have completed tier one rvr on several occasions.
However I have to agree that there is a problem with it but I disagree with it being related to population.
The problem is tactics and classes, order tends to be heavily outclassed by destruction in almost every engagement I have had.
Order RvR for the high elves tends to end up with 75% shadow warriors and 25% the other classes. This is just going to result in failure every time with destruction fielding a balanced mixture of tanks, melee and range attackers. Many a times have I watched my fellow shadowwarrior elves be rushed and slaughtered by a melee / tank destruction player.
The problem is that with the elf RvR people need to get over the fear of being a white lion or a swordmaster so they can get in the mix of things and kill the enemies before they rush.
At the minute I am rushing ahead all by myself and getting my ass handed to me because of lack of support. Destruction side is almost always well balanced with lines of ranged attacker and healers with melee and tanks in front. With that kind of formation, unless you know what you are doing you're going to get pwned.
I strongly urge players to create guilds for RvR with players selecting to focus on a particular class to compliment the war party. So when you finally do go into RvR at least your group will be more focused and balanced.
For the tier 1 RvR of the High Elves I would recommend 33% shadowwarriors taking up sniping positions long the highest points overlooking the capture location. Then 50% tanks and melee players to grind away the attacking forces and push he fight forward with the remaining players being healers. A combination of tanks and melee with sniping rangers should be enough to clear most levels.
Your wrong about pop meaning nothing in game that susposed to be world pvp it means everything go on any server that has a high dest pop and a low to med order pop and I think you'll find there is next to no pvp outside scenarios, to me that means a game that was promoting vast world pvp and castle sieges has failed when there simply not happening.
Ha ha. Now I know why they changed the Title. I never realized that the acronym for the old title was WHO. LOL
So true ... never thought it was possible.
As far as I can see populations are balanced as I said I play on a HIGHLY populated server!
You need to remember that the servers stack login request once one side gets to full, thats why on my server the queue to get in as destruction is like SILLY high and the queue to get into order is like 1 minute.
This clearly shows that the population is highly balanced. There are a limited number of slots per side to login too. When one side uses all them slots then it stops players logging in till players leave.
Its ABOUT classes!
Order players need to get their collective head out of their collective @$$es and think about strategy instead of thinking they can all be snipers and win the day. You need to mix up the classes on the order's side and work together to win.
I know this since it is HOW we won own RvR, our side was mixed and we all did our part.
The name of the game here is Strategy not Zerg.
Just look at the sever list next time you log in, in the EU there is around 4-5 servers where both sides have high populations but the vast majority aren't like that most are low to mid order and high with queues destruction.
I agree with the balancing issues. It was the same issue with WoW where everyone wanted to be Horde. That's the inherant problem with RvR. There is no way to ensure you are going to get any sort of balance. And even if you do there is no way to ensure an equal number of people are playing at the same time. The only way is to do instanced battles that force even matches.
As for WoW being owned.. That's how grownups spell pwned... I don't think so. This will be a niche game. It will not over the long run appeal to the same audience as WoW.
So far I've got a character to lvl 11 and I still don't really understand the nature of the world and the races. Other than that they all are fighting each other in various places.
The graphics are decent but dated. The sound is good. Performance is only soso considering the lack of graphical detail. The storytelling is horrible. The quest writing is and flow is pitiful. The crafting system is the most bizarre I have ever seen. Public quests are cool. Combat system is well done. I would give the game overall a 5. Maybe my opinion will change before my paid for month is up. Otherwise it's back to LotRO or maybe try the wow expansion.