To me, honestly this sounds like someone wanting to start another flame war. All you have to do is read other peoples posts and reviews to get an idea of what Warhammer is about. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. If you really are wanting to know what WAR can offer you, the only way you'll know is if you try the game yourself. Listening to these asshats on the forums babble off their opinions is pointless. You have a mind of your own. Try it and figure it out for yourself.
Originally posted by Dubel Im thinking about playing WAR but just dont know too much about it yet to make a decision. I enjoy WoW and with the expansion coming I just dont know what to do. I just dont know if there is enough PVE content in WAR to keep me happy. I like raids, quests, dungeons and to pvp when I need a break from PVE. Please tell me how the PVE, PVP, and ingame community compare to WoW.
Short and sweet. The PVE is just as good as WoW although i doubt you'll find much PVE raiding at the end.
BUT WHAT YOU DO GET..
Open world RVR with battleground objectives and Keep sieges. It's like a raid that never ends! I got in on my first Keep siege last night. AT LEVEL 15! That's right. The fun starts right off from the start. I'm soooo hooked on this game it's crazy. So much fun and too little time! Damn work!
Oh and there is absolutely no death penalty in this game. So it's all for fun. Enjoy the PVP!
Say you only want to PVP and never PVE. Your sitting at level 10 on your first day, confused and wondering why your RP level isn't dinging. You then get told it can't exceed your PVE level. "well hell i've been doing only scenarios and my PVE is only level 3? Now what? Grind quests for a few hours? That's not what those people on mmorpg.com told me" GET IT?
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
In fact, there are people in my guild who are leveling solely by doing RvR. They dont touch PvE.
There are two main diffrences between war and wow. (aside from the look/lore/ect)
First main diffrence would be that this game is meant to be played with others as a team.
This mans that in pve, especially aftre tier 1, you should try to team up as much as possible. This is a big reason some people havent really raved about the pve. There is no strong class, no best class, think of the best "class" in game as a full circle, broken into pieces. The pieces making up this circle would be the tank,melee dps, rangedps, healer.
You can solo in the game but it is slower and a bit fustrating at times as each class type has skills to benefit their role in the party.
The beauty of their public quest system is that you can get this teamwork benefit without actually teaming up or finding a group, if theres people there its a party by default.
Second main diffrence would be the variety of choices on what to do with your time online as far as leveling goes. In wow you pve to endgame, then proceed to get the best gear and pvp. In warhammer you have the option to pve, RvR scenarios, open field rvr, and partake in public quests. Ive seen many arguments comparing each of these diffrent paths in war to something in wow, but theres a huge diffrence, you have 4 paths in which to level right off the bat from level one.
This means if you get bored with questing, you can do a scenario, bored with that...go open field rvr...bored again....go check out whats going on in a public quest area. major diffrence from wow is all of these activites will get you experience, renoun points, loot (the good loot too, no gimping your char by rvring or public questing)
So techincally you could scenario RvR, public quest, pve, or open field RvR to endgame and you would have the same chance of getting the same loot you would get "gear grinding"
So thats the two main diffrences as i see it. I should also add that the difficulty factor is higher, as the AI of other players tends to be a bit higher than the AI of mobs (tends to be). I see lots of people who say they played wow and owned, who cant understand why they suck in war RvR, i bet half of the people like this quit due to the challange and the lack of ability to own in RvR as a solo kill spree fighter. Team up and get a plan going in this game or get steamrolled.
Changing MMO's when you are not burned out on the previous one is a plan to not last 30 days in the new one. You will play it comparing everything to your old game and the new game will usually come up short. So unless you can join War expecting to take a look and go back to WoW afterwards, it might not be a good idea.....
Originally posted by LethalBurst Originally posted by Copeland Say you only want to PVP and never PVE. Your sitting at level 10 on your first day, confused and wondering why your RP level isn't dinging. You then get told it can't exceed your PVE level. "well hell i've been doing only scenarios and my PVE is only level 3? Now what? Grind quests for a few hours? That's not what those people on mmorpg.com told me" GET IT?
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Im thinking about playing WAR but just dont know too much about it yet to make a decision. I enjoy WoW and with the expansion coming I just dont know what to do. I just dont know if there is enough PVE content in WAR to keep me happy. I like raids, quests, dungeons and to pvp when I need a break from PVE. Please tell me how the PVE, PVP, and ingame community compare to WoW.
Heya. You and me are similar and I posted a lengthy review being a PVE Person who never PVP'd. Maybe this will help you :-). Here is the link:
WoW is a more PvE oriented game with the PvP confined mostly to a few BG's and arena.
WAR is a more PvP/RvR oriented game while PvE is still decently good. The thing about WAR is you can level by PvP or PvE and the best seems to be a mix of both. PQ's are pretty fun, and have some neat interactions.
Anyway it's hard to say. A lot of non PvP'ers have found themselves loving WAR, but you never know. Honestly it sounds like you should wait for the expansion since PvP isn't as important to you.
You are incorrect in saying that you can level in PVP or PVE. PVP levels cannot exceed your PVE level until level 40. You MUST level PVE in order to level in PVP up until that point.
You can get rank 1-40 regular by only PvP'ing. Scenarios, killing players, and even quests involved in RvR areas of which many are repeatable and involve killing players rewards as much if not more than PvE experience.
Any action involving PvP awards both renown and experience. PvE only rewards experience. I am very correct.
Also you can use renown training to get a skill that increases PvP experience from players, and one to increase gold dropped from players.
No you are incorrect. You said you could do either. You can't do either. PVP is tied to PVE level so you MUST level PVE. Just because you can level PVE in PVP doesn't mean that you can do either. YOU MUST LEVEL PVE TO LEVEL PVP.
Your not reading correctly, when you due scenarios you receive both exp and renown. When you kill someone you receive both exp and renown. While leveling in PvP is not the fastest way to do it you can level all the way to cap by doing nothing but RvR and PvP.
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Originally posted by Copeland Say you only want to PVP and never PVE. Your sitting at level 10 on your first day, confused and wondering why your RP level isn't dinging. You then get told it can't exceed your PVE level. "well hell i've been doing only scenarios and my PVE is only level 3? Now what? Grind quests for a few hours? That's not what those people on mmorpg.com told me" GET IT?
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Again, you are incorrect. Your XP can exceed RP, however, RP cannot exceed XP until after 40. They are not tied together.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
To me, honestly this sounds like someone wanting to start another flame war. All you have to do is read other peoples posts and reviews to get an idea of what Warhammer is about. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. If you really are wanting to know what WAR can offer you, the only way you'll know is if you try the game yourself. Listening to these asshats on the forums babble off their opinions is pointless. You have a mind of your own. Try it and figure it out for yourself.
Dont be so defensive. Im not here to start a flame war. Ive been reading alot but I always like a fresh perspective so I started my own post.
One very important thing to me is, how easy is it to find groups or people wanting to group. Its hard to get a group going for anything other than lvl 70 stuff in WoW.
Im thinking about playing WAR but just dont know too much about it yet to make a decision. I enjoy WoW and with the expansion coming I just dont know what to do. I just dont know if there is enough PVE content in WAR to keep me happy. I like raids, quests, dungeons and to pvp when I need a break from PVE. Please tell me how the PVE, PVP, and ingame community compare to WoW.
if you like wow and what is has to offer, especially the long boring raids... war isn't for you. it's a totally different animal altogether.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
To me, honestly this sounds like someone wanting to start another flame war. All you have to do is read other peoples posts and reviews to get an idea of what Warhammer is about. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. If you really are wanting to know what WAR can offer you, the only way you'll know is if you try the game yourself. Listening to these asshats on the forums babble off their opinions is pointless. You have a mind of your own. Try it and figure it out for yourself.
Dont be so defensive. Im not here to start a flame war. Ive been reading alot but I always like a fresh perspective so I started my own post.
One very important thing to me is, how easy is it to find groups or people wanting to group. Its hard to get a group going for anything other than lvl 70 stuff in WoW.
if you're going to join war; then two things --
join a high population server... even if it means waiting in queues... better to wait a bit than to spend all your play time LFG.
try to find a good guild to join. all i can say is to just search all the different fansites and see what guilds have vent/ts, a website, do stuff together, etc.
yes, i would love to tell you to just go to the official forums and everything is there nice and easy to find. but it's not. markie jacobs feels that it's more profitable for him to inconvenience the playerbase at every opportunity given.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Ya, no official forums is a sad sad thing. Raids I have become very board with, I still like running dungeons in WoW but cant find a group at my lvl anymore and Im tired of playing my 70 mage.
Originally posted by Copeland Say you only want to PVP and never PVE. Your sitting at level 10 on your first day, confused and wondering why your RP level isn't dinging. You then get told it can't exceed your PVE level. "well hell i've been doing only scenarios and my PVE is only level 3? Now what? Grind quests for a few hours? That's not what those people on mmorpg.com told me" GET IT?
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Again, you are incorrect. Your XP can exceed RP, however, RP cannot exceed XP until after 40. They are not tied together.
if you start doing scenarios at lvl 1... even if you get the "hey go do the scenario" quest and then the "hey beat up X enemy players" quest and refresh them after every scenario... your renown will slowly but surely outpace your character level.
even with doing a handful of sidequests, by level 7ish, you'll be waiting an extra scenario or two for your character level to catch up with your renown level.
this means... you will be at (made up numbers) lvl 7 renown 23999/24000, until your character level hits level 8. then AFTER your character level hits level 8; you will be able to collect more renown.
all renown collected in the between time - is lost.
conversely, you can only do pve and level to 40, without ever gaining levels in renown.
BUT, when you get renown, you DO get xp. i don't think there's ever a time you're going to defeat another player and receive renown but NOT receive normal xp.
again, official forums would have information like this conveniently located.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
First, I didnt read all the posts so I dunno if your questions were answered at all. this is just my two cents.
I, like you, am a WoW junkie. Play my pally and war a lot and am even going to blizzcon. I love the game, and can't wait for WotlK to come out (want my Deathknight!). That being said, i was very anti-WAR. "All they are doing is trying to kill wow, and they never will. It will be a failure the first week!." I kept saying this line to everyone I know. I was even in WAR beta and didn't like it, although I didn't even get pass level 4. Well, WAR came out and a few of my friends (old DaoC players) went to try it out.... I laughed at them. One of my friends bought me a copy for my birthday and said "Just try it for the free month, then quit if you don't like it." So I did. I jumped on, created a Dwarf Engineer and pressed the play button. I started playing, and all I could think was..."This is WoW" And in reality it was really like WoW....for the first few levels. Then I hit my first player vs player area and my opinions of this game was proven wrong.
I'm only level seven and there is already epic Order vs Chaos battles....at level seven! In WoW, i would be killing kobolds outside IF, in happy non contested area...picking flowers. From level 1 through 7 i saw so many different areas, WAR is always keeping you on the move never letting you get drained of the same area for ten levels. In WoW at level 6 I would just be about to head to my second zone. WAR even gets deeper, you have 3 different exp bars, one for regular exp, one for pvp, and one for public quests (infamy). I guess what! Killing a player of the opposite faction actually gives you experiance for your regualr experiance bar.
I feel like I might be rambling so I leave it at this. WAR is a fresh breath of air, a change of pace. It has a lot to offer you. Before you jump into WAR, you should enjoy pvp somewhat, but I think that even if you don't WAR can make you appreciate it. So i recomend you buy it for the free month try it out, and see if its for you, but get pass level 8 or 10 to actually make an accurate opinion of it. I still love WoW, don't get me wrong, but hey! who says you can't play 2 MMOs?
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If you like your current game, you should continue to play it. Play what you are having fun in. That's why they are called "games". Not every game is for everyone.
WAR is a different/new game. Try it if you WANT to but don't force yourself or you just won't even give it a chance.
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To me, honestly this sounds like someone wanting to start another flame war. All you have to do is read other peoples posts and reviews to get an idea of what Warhammer is about. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. If you really are wanting to know what WAR can offer you, the only way you'll know is if you try the game yourself. Listening to these asshats on the forums babble off their opinions is pointless. You have a mind of your own. Try it and figure it out for yourself.
Short and sweet. The PVE is just as good as WoW although i doubt you'll find much PVE raiding at the end.
BUT WHAT YOU DO GET..
Open world RVR with battleground objectives and Keep sieges. It's like a raid that never ends! I got in on my first Keep siege last night. AT LEVEL 15! That's right. The fun starts right off from the start. I'm soooo hooked on this game it's crazy. So much fun and too little time! Damn work!
Oh and there is absolutely no death penalty in this game. So it's all for fun. Enjoy the PVP!
Make a difference!
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
In fact, there are people in my guild who are leveling solely by doing RvR. They dont touch PvE.
There are two main diffrences between war and wow. (aside from the look/lore/ect)
First main diffrence would be that this game is meant to be played with others as a team.
This mans that in pve, especially aftre tier 1, you should try to team up as much as possible. This is a big reason some people havent really raved about the pve. There is no strong class, no best class, think of the best "class" in game as a full circle, broken into pieces. The pieces making up this circle would be the tank,melee dps, rangedps, healer.
You can solo in the game but it is slower and a bit fustrating at times as each class type has skills to benefit their role in the party.
The beauty of their public quest system is that you can get this teamwork benefit without actually teaming up or finding a group, if theres people there its a party by default.
Second main diffrence would be the variety of choices on what to do with your time online as far as leveling goes. In wow you pve to endgame, then proceed to get the best gear and pvp. In warhammer you have the option to pve, RvR scenarios, open field rvr, and partake in public quests. Ive seen many arguments comparing each of these diffrent paths in war to something in wow, but theres a huge diffrence, you have 4 paths in which to level right off the bat from level one.
This means if you get bored with questing, you can do a scenario, bored with that...go open field rvr...bored again....go check out whats going on in a public quest area. major diffrence from wow is all of these activites will get you experience, renoun points, loot (the good loot too, no gimping your char by rvring or public questing)
So techincally you could scenario RvR, public quest, pve, or open field RvR to endgame and you would have the same chance of getting the same loot you would get "gear grinding"
So thats the two main diffrences as i see it. I should also add that the difficulty factor is higher, as the AI of other players tends to be a bit higher than the AI of mobs (tends to be). I see lots of people who say they played wow and owned, who cant understand why they suck in war RvR, i bet half of the people like this quit due to the challange and the lack of ability to own in RvR as a solo kill spree fighter. Team up and get a plan going in this game or get steamrolled.
I couldnt have agreed with you more. So true.
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Make a difference!
Heya. You and me are similar and I posted a lengthy review being a PVE Person who never PVP'd. Maybe this will help you :-). Here is the link:
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/203512
There Is Always Hope!
You are incorrect in saying that you can level in PVP or PVE. PVP levels cannot exceed your PVE level until level 40. You MUST level PVE in order to level in PVP up until that point.
You can get rank 1-40 regular by only PvP'ing. Scenarios, killing players, and even quests involved in RvR areas of which many are repeatable and involve killing players rewards as much if not more than PvE experience.
Any action involving PvP awards both renown and experience. PvE only rewards experience. I am very correct.
Also you can use renown training to get a skill that increases PvP experience from players, and one to increase gold dropped from players.
No you are incorrect. You said you could do either. You can't do either. PVP is tied to PVE level so you MUST level PVE. Just because you can level PVE in PVP doesn't mean that you can do either. YOU MUST LEVEL PVE TO LEVEL PVP.
Your not reading correctly, when you due scenarios you receive both exp and renown. When you kill someone you receive both exp and renown. While leveling in PvP is not the fastest way to do it you can level all the way to cap by doing nothing but RvR and PvP.
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You wouldn't understand
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Again, you are incorrect. Your XP can exceed RP, however, RP cannot exceed XP until after 40. They are not tied together.
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You wouldn't understand
Dont be so defensive. Im not here to start a flame war. Ive been reading alot but I always like a fresh perspective so I started my own post.
One very important thing to me is, how easy is it to find groups or people wanting to group. Its hard to get a group going for anything other than lvl 70 stuff in WoW.
if you like wow and what is has to offer, especially the long boring raids... war isn't for you. it's a totally different animal altogether.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Dont be so defensive. Im not here to start a flame war. Ive been reading alot but I always like a fresh perspective so I started my own post.
One very important thing to me is, how easy is it to find groups or people wanting to group. Its hard to get a group going for anything other than lvl 70 stuff in WoW.
if you're going to join war; then two things --
join a high population server... even if it means waiting in queues... better to wait a bit than to spend all your play time LFG.
try to find a good guild to join. all i can say is to just search all the different fansites and see what guilds have vent/ts, a website, do stuff together, etc.
yes, i would love to tell you to just go to the official forums and everything is there nice and easy to find. but it's not. markie jacobs feels that it's more profitable for him to inconvenience the playerbase at every opportunity given.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Ya, no official forums is a sad sad thing. Raids I have become very board with, I still like running dungeons in WoW but cant find a group at my lvl anymore and Im tired of playing my 70 mage.
You can get to rank 40 by only doing RvR, regardless of your renown, you will get rank XP from doing RvR, that's what was being said. You misunderstood.
I'm not going to continue this argument. It's not either/or. RP and XP are tied together.
Again, you are incorrect. Your XP can exceed RP, however, RP cannot exceed XP until after 40. They are not tied together.
if you start doing scenarios at lvl 1... even if you get the "hey go do the scenario" quest and then the "hey beat up X enemy players" quest and refresh them after every scenario... your renown will slowly but surely outpace your character level.
even with doing a handful of sidequests, by level 7ish, you'll be waiting an extra scenario or two for your character level to catch up with your renown level.
this means... you will be at (made up numbers) lvl 7 renown 23999/24000, until your character level hits level 8. then AFTER your character level hits level 8; you will be able to collect more renown.
all renown collected in the between time - is lost.
conversely, you can only do pve and level to 40, without ever gaining levels in renown.
BUT, when you get renown, you DO get xp. i don't think there's ever a time you're going to defeat another player and receive renown but NOT receive normal xp.
again, official forums would have information like this conveniently located.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
First, I didnt read all the posts so I dunno if your questions were answered at all. this is just my two cents.
I, like you, am a WoW junkie. Play my pally and war a lot and am even going to blizzcon. I love the game, and can't wait for WotlK to come out (want my Deathknight!). That being said, i was very anti-WAR. "All they are doing is trying to kill wow, and they never will. It will be a failure the first week!." I kept saying this line to everyone I know. I was even in WAR beta and didn't like it, although I didn't even get pass level 4. Well, WAR came out and a few of my friends (old DaoC players) went to try it out.... I laughed at them. One of my friends bought me a copy for my birthday and said "Just try it for the free month, then quit if you don't like it." So I did. I jumped on, created a Dwarf Engineer and pressed the play button. I started playing, and all I could think was..."This is WoW" And in reality it was really like WoW....for the first few levels. Then I hit my first player vs player area and my opinions of this game was proven wrong.
I'm only level seven and there is already epic Order vs Chaos battles....at level seven! In WoW, i would be killing kobolds outside IF, in happy non contested area...picking flowers. From level 1 through 7 i saw so many different areas, WAR is always keeping you on the move never letting you get drained of the same area for ten levels. In WoW at level 6 I would just be about to head to my second zone. WAR even gets deeper, you have 3 different exp bars, one for regular exp, one for pvp, and one for public quests (infamy). I guess what! Killing a player of the opposite faction actually gives you experiance for your regualr experiance bar.
I feel like I might be rambling so I leave it at this. WAR is a fresh breath of air, a change of pace. It has a lot to offer you. Before you jump into WAR, you should enjoy pvp somewhat, but I think that even if you don't WAR can make you appreciate it. So i recomend you buy it for the free month try it out, and see if its for you, but get pass level 8 or 10 to actually make an accurate opinion of it. I still love WoW, don't get me wrong, but hey! who says you can't play 2 MMOs?
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Can't find an MMO worth playing
If you like your current game, you should continue to play it. Play what you are having fun in. That's why they are called "games". Not every game is for everyone.
WAR is a different/new game. Try it if you WANT to but don't force yourself or you just won't even give it a chance.