SWG hasnt been Star Wars in a loooong time. It would be nice for it to be put down like the lame horse it is. I DID send an actual letter (nice linen stock and all) to George Lucas, this was many moons ago. I wonder if he looked at it, so if SWG is given the ax, you can thank (or blame) me. LOL
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LucasArts has mentioned George Lucas' son plays SWG. I don't think George will be having SWG shutdown
Lucas loves money more than his own son, everyone knows that...
SWG hasnt been Star Wars in a loooong time. It would be nice for it to be put down like the lame horse it is. I DID send an actual letter (nice linen stock and all) to George Lucas, this was many moons ago. I wonder if he looked at it, so if SWG is given the ax, you can thank (or blame) me. LOL
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LucasArts has mentioned George Lucas' son plays SWG. I don't think George will be having SWG shutdown
Lucas loves money more than his own son, everyone knows that...
Besides which he's probably playing The Force Unleashed now anyway.
Star Wars Galaxies will not be shut down until a new Star Wars MMO is announced and possibly launched.
Regardless of whos son plays it or not. It would be bad publicity to have a Star Wars MMO shut down shortly before a new one is unvieled or released. Doing so would just dredge up all that old drama and negativity just before a major ad campaign for a new title.
My guess is SWG will quietly announce a sunsetting date with the excuse that populations have "finally" fallen to low to support due to the new title or perhaps Lucas Arts will just suffocate the title with creative restrictions to the point SOE will opt out of the contract.
Again there is nothing to be gained for SOE or Lucas Arts by shutting down SWG, except a whole mess of negative advertising.
Star Wars Galaxies will not be shut down until a new Star Wars MMO is announced and possibly launched.
Regardless of whos son plays it or not. It would be bad publicity to have a Star Wars MMO shut down shortly before a new one is unvieled or released. Doing so would just dredge up all that old drama and negativity just before a major ad campaign for a new title. My guess is SWG will quietly announce a sunsetting date with the excuse that populations have "finally" fallen to low to support due to the new title or perhaps Lucas Arts will just suffocate the title with creative restrictions to the point SOE will opt out of the contract.
Again there is nothing to be gained for SOE or Lucas Arts by shutting down SWG, except a whole mess of negative advertising.
A new SW MMO will not be announced till the company has the IP, and from earlier post it would seem the IP is an exclusive thing. Who would spend money to design and code a whole MMO if they don't have the IP in their hands? and if it is in Bioware's hands, it won't be in SOE's hands...
Therefore I believe that SOE will just keep letting you pay your monthly fees (plus the extra from the cards), and when the time comes, drop the players like a rock
these games are a business, and corporations have no heart, they don't care when you cry. They are trying to make money, and KOTOR3 will not be started until bioware knows that the IP is in their possesion, and for that to happen, SOE has to lose the IP....
I know it hurts, but it is all for the best, I think most of us trust Bioware more than we trust SOE.
Star Wars Galaxies will not be shut down until a new Star Wars MMO is announced and possibly launched.
Regardless of whos son plays it or not. It would be bad publicity to have a Star Wars MMO shut down shortly before a new one is unvieled or released. Doing so would just dredge up all that old drama and negativity just before a major ad campaign for a new title. My guess is SWG will quietly announce a sunsetting date with the excuse that populations have "finally" fallen to low to support due to the new title or perhaps Lucas Arts will just suffocate the title with creative restrictions to the point SOE will opt out of the contract.
Again there is nothing to be gained for SOE or Lucas Arts by shutting down SWG, except a whole mess of negative advertising.
A new SW MMO will not be announced till the company has the IP, and from earlier post it would seem the IP is an exclusive thing. Who would spend money to design and code a whole MMO if they don't have the IP in their hands? and if it is in Bioware's hands, it won't be in SOE's hands...
Therefore I believe that SOE will just keep letting you pay your monthly fees (plus the extra from the cards), and when the time comes, drop the players like a rock
these games are a business, and corporations have no heart, they don't care when you cry. They are trying to make money, and KOTOR3 will not be started until bioware knows that the IP is in their possesion, and for that to happen, SOE has to lose the IP....
I know it hurts, but it is all for the best, I think most of us trust Bioware more than we trust SOE.
Just wanted to put a bit perspective on this and add a little food for thought.
1) Fact = BioWare and LucasArts have entered into an agreement to make a "Interactive Entertainment Product". What it is, what IP it uses and if it even will be a "game" per se, is unknown. We only know BioWare and LucasArts have teamed up for -something-.
2) Fact = BioWare has been working on an MMO since 2005, possibly a bit earlier, using the licensed Hero-Engine, which will likely cut the development time of any title down a good deal since they don't have to code their own engine. The title, setting and anything else about the MMO remain a secret (heavily speculated, but nothing confirmed).
3) Fact = LucasArts have recently registered new trademarks. Threads and posts about this are readily available here. The one that seems most interesting in this whole discussion is "Star Wars: The Old Republic". These Trademarks have been registered for entertainment software as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong).
4) Theory = Many people have theorized that BioWare is creating a new SW MMO and that that is exactly the MMO they have been working on for the past 3-4 years. Many have said that the reason for the secrecy may be that the IP currently resides with SOE. EA's president has been quoted to have said that BioWare is indeed making a new KOTOR, an MMO in the Old Republic Setting.
All these points lead people to believe that a deal between LucasArts and BioWare has been made a good while ago already, most likely behind the curtains. And that the huge deal of secrecy is both, to protect the game from ravaging Fanbois and the like as well as to avoid Legal Issues about the IP.
Currently, I'm thinking there is a good 90% Chance that the BioWare MMO, due out next year (theoretically, logically and realistically, I would say 2010), is indeed Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Just wanted to put a bit perspective on this and add a little food for thought. 1) Fact = BioWare and LucasArts have entered into an agreement to make a "Interactive Entertainment Product". What it is, what IP it uses and if it even will be a "game" per se, is unknown. We only know BioWare and LucasArts have teamed up for -something-.
2) Fact = BioWare has been working on an MMO since 2005, possibly a bit earlier, using the licensed Hero-Engine, which will likely cut the development time of any title down a good deal since they don't have to code their own engine. The title, setting and anything else about the MMO remain a secret (heavily speculated, but nothing confirmed).
3) Fact = LucasArts have recently registered new trademarks. Threads and posts about this are readily available here. The one that seems most interesting in this whole discussion is "Star Wars: The Old Republic". These Trademarks have been registered for entertainment software as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong).
4) Theory = Many people have theorized that BioWare is creating a new SW MMO and that that is exactly the MMO they have been working on for the past 3-4 years. Many have said that the reason for the secrecy may be that the IP currently resides with SOE. EA's president has been quoted to have said that BioWare is indeed making a new KOTOR, an MMO in the Old Republic Setting.
All these points lead people to believe that a deal between LucasArts and BioWare has been made a good while ago already, most likely behind the curtains. And that the huge deal of secrecy is both, to protect the game from ravaging Fanbois and the like as well as to avoid Legal Issues about the IP.
Currently, I'm thinking there is a good 90% Chance that the BioWare MMO, due out next year (theoretically, logically and realistically, I would say 2010), is indeed Star Wars: The Old Republic.
But it is all just speculation at this point.
I would almost bet the farm, that if LA and Bioware have made any kind of deal, SOE has been party to the discussions. Otherwise, LA would be in a legal bind, having violated their exclusive contract with SOE by making underhand deals with Bioware, which would be easily proven considering the amount of time, effort and manpower involved with creating an MMO, I'm certain that LA doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit like that, SOE has a lot of money and clout, (and will be backed by Sony corp.) and could make things hard for LA and Bioware.
The bonus to that, is that if it is true, and SOE knows about it, that just makes them the bigger jerk by not giving warning to their paying customers, dragging their name further into the mud (who thought that was even possible?).
No matter what happens, until SWG goes away, and a better MMO based on the most popular IP in the world comes in to take it's place, it will be a big red mark on LA's reputation and pride.
Just wanted to put a bit perspective on this and add a little food for thought. 1) Fact = BioWare and LucasArts have entered into an agreement to make a "Interactive Entertainment Product". What it is, what IP it uses and if it even will be a "game" per se, is unknown. We only know BioWare and LucasArts have teamed up for -something-.
2) Fact = BioWare has been working on an MMO since 2005, possibly a bit earlier, using the licensed Hero-Engine, which will likely cut the development time of any title down a good deal since they don't have to code their own engine. The title, setting and anything else about the MMO remain a secret (heavily speculated, but nothing confirmed).
3) Fact = LucasArts have recently registered new trademarks. Threads and posts about this are readily available here. The one that seems most interesting in this whole discussion is "Star Wars: The Old Republic". These Trademarks have been registered for entertainment software as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong).
4) Theory = Many people have theorized that BioWare is creating a new SW MMO and that that is exactly the MMO they have been working on for the past 3-4 years. Many have said that the reason for the secrecy may be that the IP currently resides with SOE. EA's president has been quoted to have said that BioWare is indeed making a new KOTOR, an MMO in the Old Republic Setting.
All these points lead people to believe that a deal between LucasArts and BioWare has been made a good while ago already, most likely behind the curtains. And that the huge deal of secrecy is both, to protect the game from ravaging Fanbois and the like as well as to avoid Legal Issues about the IP.
Currently, I'm thinking there is a good 90% Chance that the BioWare MMO, due out next year (theoretically, logically and realistically, I would say 2010), is indeed Star Wars: The Old Republic.
But it is all just speculation at this point.
I would almost bet the farm, that if LA and Bioware have made any kind of deal, SOE has been party to the discussions. Otherwise, LA would be in a legal bind, having violated their exclusive contract with SOE by making underhand deals with Bioware, which would be easily proven considering the amount of time, effort and manpower involved with creating an MMO, I'm certain that LA doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit like that, SOE has a lot of money and clout, (and will be backed by Sony corp.) and could make things hard for LA and Bioware.
The bonus to that, is that if it is true, and SOE knows about it, that just makes them the bigger jerk by not giving warning to their paying customers, dragging their name further into the mud (who thought that was even possible?).
No matter what happens, until SWG goes away, and a better MMO based on the most popular IP in the world comes in to take it's place, it will be a big red mark on LA's reputation and pride.
While I still have my doubts that there is a KOTOR MMO (no, a "CEO comment" to a blog does not make me a believer), if it is indeed true and SOE does indeed know about it but hasn't mentioned it then I doubt that's likely to be their decision. LA would impose a NDA on it and it will be up to them to release that info. Afterall, SWG is still LA's game.
While I still have my doubts that there is a KOTOR MMO (no, a "CEO comment" to a blog does not make me a believer), if it is indeed true and SOE does indeed know about it but hasn't mentioned it then I doubt that's likely to be their decision. LA would impose a NDA on it and it will be up to them to release that info. Afterall, SWG is still LA's game.
It wasn't a blog, it was actually a very well respected site within the industry, as in frequented by those within the industry as opposed to just the likes of you and me. Same goes for the author, he's a credible source, within the games industry.
But yes, you're right there would be a strict NDA, I'm glad you agree on that, so the dev that supposedly stated that BioWare's game is little more than a multiplayer game, we can both agree that was bullshit. We're finally getting somewhere Obraik
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
A new SW MMO will not be announced till the company has the IP, and from earlier post it would seem the IP is an exclusive thing. Who would spend money to design and code a whole MMO if they don't have the IP in their hands? and if it is in Bioware's hands, it won't be in SOE's hands... Therefore I believe that SOE will just keep letting you pay your monthly fees (plus the extra from the cards), and when the time comes, drop the players like a rock these games are a business, and corporations have no heart, they don't care when you cry. They are trying to make money, and KOTOR3 will not be started until bioware knows that the IP is in their possesion, and for that to happen, SOE has to lose the IP.... I know it hurts, but it is all for the best, I think most of us trust Bioware more than we trust SOE.
I didn't read anything in that press release that gave details about the contract between SOE and Lucas Arts. Everyone is running under the assumption that SOE has some iron clad lock on the Star Wars MMO license. It makes it seem like some exclusive prestigious partnership, but no real concrete details.
I highly doubt Lucas and Co. would get stuck in such a one sided deal, especially considering how terrible the project has been handled since day one and the very short leash Mr Lucas keeps his IP on. It is easy to imagine a number of scenarios where LA could pull the plug due to any number of reasons. Maybe there is a buy out penalty for canceling or they may not announce another MMO for a number of years, but I don't for a second believe SOE has a lock on the IP.
The only thing George likes more than money is having a strangle hold on his IP.
As I said above, there is no benefit to either company for wanting to shut the game down right now. For LA it shows they failed with an MMO when they are most likely about to announce another one. SOE would finally have to close down a game on the station pass. It does neither one any good at this time to close down the game.
One last note, I am not paying SOE a sub fee for anything if that is what you were implying. Honestly I could not tell if you were speaking to me or just in general.
While I still have my doubts that there is a KOTOR MMO (no, a "CEO comment" to a blog does not make me a believer), if it is indeed true and SOE does indeed know about it but hasn't mentioned it then I doubt that's likely to be their decision. LA would impose a NDA on it and it will be up to them to release that info. Afterall, SWG is still LA's game.
It wasn't a blog, it was actually a very well respected site within the industry, as in frequented by those within the industry as opposed to just the likes of you and me. Same goes for the author, he's a credible source, within the games industry.
But yes, you're right there would be a strict NDA, I'm glad you agree on that, so the dev that supposedly stated that BioWare's game is little more than a multiplayer game, we can both agree that was bullshit. We're finally getting somewhere Obraik
NDA's apply to CEO's too So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
NDA's apply to CEO's too So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
It is not impossible that Lucasart would do it to get more players for Biowares new KOTOR online... But it is just my cynical side, never trust rumour.
It is not impossible that Lucasart would do it to get more players for Biowares new KOTOR online... But it is just my cynical side, never trust rumour.
If Lucas Arts gave half a damn about SWG, and BioWare's project isn't a Star Wars mmo, LA would come right out and said "SWG is the only Star Wars mmo, past, present and for the forseeable future" by refusing to comment they're only solidifying the rumours that BioWare are indeed making a Star Wars mmo.
With that one sentence press release LA could ensure SWG's prospects, earning themselves a few $$$ along the way. They have chosen not to.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
It is not impossible that Lucasart would do it to get more players for Biowares new KOTOR online... But it is just my cynical side, never trust rumour.
If Lucas Arts gave half a damn about SWG, and BioWare's project isn't a Star Wars mmo, LA would come right out and said "SWG is the only Star Wars mmo, past, present and for the forseeable future" by refusing to comment they're only solidifying the rumours that BioWare are indeed making a Star Wars mmo.
With that one sentence press release LA could ensure SWG's prospects, earning themselves a few $$$ along the way. They have chosen not to.
I would like to add that SOE and LA have commented on and/or dispelled past rumors concerning a "potential critical impact" of this and other products. These rumors had far greater shakey beginings than this one. The CEO of the parent company producing the new game. A person with enough clout to get a retraction of his comments and yet has not done so. Comments made to a respected source; not some chucklehead's myspace page or a spoof/satire blog page.
If SOE, LA, Bioware, or EA had made a follow up comment to either confirm, deny, or even "no comment" I might have even subbed to give the WS upgrade a real shot. It seemed well done on the two days I had to play on the last vet trial. But crafting is a long term gameplay because of resource gathering. Long enough I won't play since his comment was made. I have no idea how long this game will be around. I won't make the time investment with WS unless I have ironclad no sooner than shut down dates from SOE/LA stemming from EA CEO comments. Instead I'll sit here content that potential players aren't even worth a "no comment" about the EA CEO's comment.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
NDA's apply to CEO's too So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
NDA's apply to CEO's too So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
Again, the "report" was posted as a blog entry, which curiously is bringing up a "page cannot be found" error when I try view it.
Assuming the EA CEO did infact say that, just because he's a CEO doesn't save him from the wrath of Lucas
I agree with you Obraik. Even a CEO is accountable to NDA's and LA are the type of people that enforce them. But assuming again he said it, he is the absolute head of the company they have a deal with. Even if LA has a right to hold him accountable, do you think they would hold him accountable considering their relationship they have concerning the new MMO. Do you believe they are going to make a stink with aurguably the largest interactive video game software company in the world. A company that has dozens of IPs and titles in their portfolio plus the absolute know how to promote them. What do you think LA would really do, risk future relationships with someone they need now or in the future; or do you think they would say nothing. I mean less than nothing. They haven't even gave a "no comment." Something they have done for less impactful things.
Back to assuming his comments are real. Could you please post the link of the bog for "page not found." Also the last time I followed this rumor I thought it was said at E3 to an investment magazine reporter. Please feel free to correct any misunderstandings you feel I may have regarding details of the rumor.
Thanks.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I'll agree SWG doesn't feel like Star Wars, I mean when I'm playing the game I don't have the movie experience that I want.
SWG was always marketed that you get to make your own "Star Wars experience"
I liked playing Uncle Owen. Aunt Verue was hot when she was younger
To bad Nancy didn't want me to play my own Uncle Owen experience
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
NDA's apply to CEO's too So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
Again, the "report" was posted as a blog entry, which curiously is bringing up a "page cannot be found" error when I try view it.
Assuming the EA CEO did infact say that, just because he's a CEO doesn't save him from the wrath of Lucas
I agree with you Obraik. Even a CEO is accountable to NDA's and LA are the type of people that enforce them. But assuming again he said it, he is the absolute head of the company they have a deal with. Even if LA has a right to hold him accountable, do you think they would hold him accountable considering their relationship they have concerning the new MMO. Do you believe they are going to make a stink with aurguably the largest interactive video game software company in the world. A company that has dozens of IPs and titles in their portfolio plus the absolute know how to promote them. What do you think LA would really do, risk future relationships with someone they need now or in the future; or do you think they would say nothing. I mean less than nothing. They haven't even gave a "no comment." Something they have done for less impactful things.
Back to assuming his comments are real. Could you please post the link of the bog for "page not found." Also the last time I followed this rumor I thought it was said at E3 to an investment magazine reporter. Please feel free to correct any misunderstandings you feel I may have regarding details of the rumor.
Thanks.
Heh, I would argue against EA's "know how" but that's a discussion for a different forum Whether LA did or didn't do something regarding the supposed comment is something we're unlikely to know - although I'm sure nothing will be done to him by LA if the supposed event never happened Has anyone heard anything from the EA guy since that Blog entry?
I'll agree SWG doesn't feel like Star Wars, I mean when I'm playing the game I don't have the movie experience that I want.
SWG was always marketed that you get to make your own "Star Wars experience"
The problem is whats in the game isn't really Star Wars to me. I mean Star Wars is mainly set out in space and SWG has JTLS as some crap expansion which from what I played of it, sucks..... I mean where are the giant PVP battlles out in space of Rebels trying to blow up the Death Star and that? Wheres the running away from Imperial blockades falcon style? Wheres the meaningful link to PVP on the ground and space like in Episode 6 with them trying to take down the shield on endor so the Rebels can take down the Death Star? All I got from the space expansion was grind on boring missions and visit a pointless POI of something I never even heard of before.
The same goes for the ground game really because while they've made it better than before where it had nothing to do with Star Wars at all, all you did was grind missions........ wow they did that in the movies didn't they lol. Still all i'm doing is grinding on npc's for collections and grinding PVP in some city that noone cares about for lewt. I mean Restuss seriously? Fucking you coulda given me some battleground from the movies.
Another thing I hate is how being a Jedi feels like I've gone back to Episode 4 where they were stuck to the ground and fighting like 80 year old men. Sure thats offering a movie experience lol but fucking the new movies gave me flying in the air and doing crazy shit. You can't give me that stuff and then go back.......... thats like fucking giving me a HDTV and then telling me to go watch SDTV.
However I never played SWG because of Star Wars, I played it because I'm a mmo addict and theres nothing else better to play lol.
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LucasArts has mentioned George Lucas' son plays SWG. I don't think George will be having SWG shutdown
Lucas loves money more than his own son, everyone knows that...
I thought Ewoks only said "jub-jub"....
LucasArts has mentioned George Lucas' son plays SWG. I don't think George will be having SWG shutdown
Lucas loves money more than his own son, everyone knows that...
Besides which he's probably playing The Force Unleashed now anyway.
Star Wars Galaxies will not be shut down until a new Star Wars MMO is announced and possibly launched.
Regardless of whos son plays it or not. It would be bad publicity to have a Star Wars MMO shut down shortly before a new one is unvieled or released. Doing so would just dredge up all that old drama and negativity just before a major ad campaign for a new title.
My guess is SWG will quietly announce a sunsetting date with the excuse that populations have "finally" fallen to low to support due to the new title or perhaps Lucas Arts will just suffocate the title with creative restrictions to the point SOE will opt out of the contract.
Again there is nothing to be gained for SOE or Lucas Arts by shutting down SWG, except a whole mess of negative advertising.
THAT is the point though. It is NOT a Star Wars MMO, it is a pile of steaming Bantha poo doo!
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SWG, the only game that is most enjoyed by not playing when you're "playing"
A new SW MMO will not be announced till the company has the IP, and from earlier post it would seem the IP is an exclusive thing. Who would spend money to design and code a whole MMO if they don't have the IP in their hands? and if it is in Bioware's hands, it won't be in SOE's hands...
Therefore I believe that SOE will just keep letting you pay your monthly fees (plus the extra from the cards), and when the time comes, drop the players like a rock
these games are a business, and corporations have no heart, they don't care when you cry. They are trying to make money, and KOTOR3 will not be started until bioware knows that the IP is in their possesion, and for that to happen, SOE has to lose the IP....
I know it hurts, but it is all for the best, I think most of us trust Bioware more than we trust SOE.
You forget who you're dealing with here.
These guys seem to thrive on negative PR. They go out of their way to create bad press and alienate their customers.
They don't have a clue as to how their actions negatively impact their bottom line.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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A new SW MMO will not be announced till the company has the IP, and from earlier post it would seem the IP is an exclusive thing. Who would spend money to design and code a whole MMO if they don't have the IP in their hands? and if it is in Bioware's hands, it won't be in SOE's hands...
Therefore I believe that SOE will just keep letting you pay your monthly fees (plus the extra from the cards), and when the time comes, drop the players like a rock
these games are a business, and corporations have no heart, they don't care when you cry. They are trying to make money, and KOTOR3 will not be started until bioware knows that the IP is in their possesion, and for that to happen, SOE has to lose the IP....
I know it hurts, but it is all for the best, I think most of us trust Bioware more than we trust SOE.
Just wanted to put a bit perspective on this and add a little food for thought.
1) Fact = BioWare and LucasArts have entered into an agreement to make a "Interactive Entertainment Product". What it is, what IP it uses and if it even will be a "game" per se, is unknown. We only know BioWare and LucasArts have teamed up for -something-.
2) Fact = BioWare has been working on an MMO since 2005, possibly a bit earlier, using the licensed Hero-Engine, which will likely cut the development time of any title down a good deal since they don't have to code their own engine. The title, setting and anything else about the MMO remain a secret (heavily speculated, but nothing confirmed).
3) Fact = LucasArts have recently registered new trademarks. Threads and posts about this are readily available here. The one that seems most interesting in this whole discussion is "Star Wars: The Old Republic". These Trademarks have been registered for entertainment software as far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong).
4) Theory = Many people have theorized that BioWare is creating a new SW MMO and that that is exactly the MMO they have been working on for the past 3-4 years. Many have said that the reason for the secrecy may be that the IP currently resides with SOE. EA's president has been quoted to have said that BioWare is indeed making a new KOTOR, an MMO in the Old Republic Setting.
All these points lead people to believe that a deal between LucasArts and BioWare has been made a good while ago already, most likely behind the curtains. And that the huge deal of secrecy is both, to protect the game from ravaging Fanbois and the like as well as to avoid Legal Issues about the IP.
Currently, I'm thinking there is a good 90% Chance that the BioWare MMO, due out next year (theoretically, logically and realistically, I would say 2010), is indeed Star Wars: The Old Republic.
But it is all just speculation at this point.
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Agreed. I think the final straw was the Meatlump themepark.
Imagine having the entire Star Wars canon to draw inspiration from and then doing...Meatlumps. It's so depressing.
I would almost bet the farm, that if LA and Bioware have made any kind of deal, SOE has been party to the discussions. Otherwise, LA would be in a legal bind, having violated their exclusive contract with SOE by making underhand deals with Bioware, which would be easily proven considering the amount of time, effort and manpower involved with creating an MMO, I'm certain that LA doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit like that, SOE has a lot of money and clout, (and will be backed by Sony corp.) and could make things hard for LA and Bioware.
The bonus to that, is that if it is true, and SOE knows about it, that just makes them the bigger jerk by not giving warning to their paying customers, dragging their name further into the mud (who thought that was even possible?).
No matter what happens, until SWG goes away, and a better MMO based on the most popular IP in the world comes in to take it's place, it will be a big red mark on LA's reputation and pride.
I would almost bet the farm, that if LA and Bioware have made any kind of deal, SOE has been party to the discussions. Otherwise, LA would be in a legal bind, having violated their exclusive contract with SOE by making underhand deals with Bioware, which would be easily proven considering the amount of time, effort and manpower involved with creating an MMO, I'm certain that LA doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit like that, SOE has a lot of money and clout, (and will be backed by Sony corp.) and could make things hard for LA and Bioware.
The bonus to that, is that if it is true, and SOE knows about it, that just makes them the bigger jerk by not giving warning to their paying customers, dragging their name further into the mud (who thought that was even possible?).
No matter what happens, until SWG goes away, and a better MMO based on the most popular IP in the world comes in to take it's place, it will be a big red mark on LA's reputation and pride.
While I still have my doubts that there is a KOTOR MMO (no, a "CEO comment" to a blog does not make me a believer), if it is indeed true and SOE does indeed know about it but hasn't mentioned it then I doubt that's likely to be their decision. LA would impose a NDA on it and it will be up to them to release that info. Afterall, SWG is still LA's game.
It wasn't a blog, it was actually a very well respected site within the industry, as in frequented by those within the industry as opposed to just the likes of you and me. Same goes for the author, he's a credible source, within the games industry.
But yes, you're right there would be a strict NDA, I'm glad you agree on that, so the dev that supposedly stated that BioWare's game is little more than a multiplayer game, we can both agree that was bullshit. We're finally getting somewhere Obraik
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
I didn't read anything in that press release that gave details about the contract between SOE and Lucas Arts. Everyone is running under the assumption that SOE has some iron clad lock on the Star Wars MMO license. It makes it seem like some exclusive prestigious partnership, but no real concrete details.
I highly doubt Lucas and Co. would get stuck in such a one sided deal, especially considering how terrible the project has been handled since day one and the very short leash Mr Lucas keeps his IP on. It is easy to imagine a number of scenarios where LA could pull the plug due to any number of reasons. Maybe there is a buy out penalty for canceling or they may not announce another MMO for a number of years, but I don't for a second believe SOE has a lock on the IP.
The only thing George likes more than money is having a strangle hold on his IP.
As I said above, there is no benefit to either company for wanting to shut the game down right now. For LA it shows they failed with an MMO when they are most likely about to announce another one. SOE would finally have to close down a game on the station pass. It does neither one any good at this time to close down the game.
One last note, I am not paying SOE a sub fee for anything if that is what you were implying. Honestly I could not tell if you were speaking to me or just in general.
It wasn't a blog, it was actually a very well respected site within the industry, as in frequented by those within the industry as opposed to just the likes of you and me. Same goes for the author, he's a credible source, within the games industry.
But yes, you're right there would be a strict NDA, I'm glad you agree on that, so the dev that supposedly stated that BioWare's game is little more than a multiplayer game, we can both agree that was bullshit. We're finally getting somewhere Obraik
NDA's apply to CEO's too
So, assuming that the EA CEO did in fact release this "news" to a blog (call it what you want, it's still a blog...) then that was a major breach of NDA.
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast_Publications
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
It is not impossible that Lucasart would do it to get more players for Biowares new KOTOR online... But it is just my cynical side, never trust rumour.
If Lucas Arts gave half a damn about SWG, and BioWare's project isn't a Star Wars mmo, LA would come right out and said "SWG is the only Star Wars mmo, past, present and for the forseeable future" by refusing to comment they're only solidifying the rumours that BioWare are indeed making a Star Wars mmo.
With that one sentence press release LA could ensure SWG's prospects, earning themselves a few $$$ along the way. They have chosen not to.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
If Lucas Arts gave half a damn about SWG, and BioWare's project isn't a Star Wars mmo, LA would come right out and said "SWG is the only Star Wars mmo, past, present and for the forseeable future" by refusing to comment they're only solidifying the rumours that BioWare are indeed making a Star Wars mmo.
With that one sentence press release LA could ensure SWG's prospects, earning themselves a few $$$ along the way. They have chosen not to.
I would like to add that SOE and LA have commented on and/or dispelled past rumors concerning a "potential critical impact" of this and other products. These rumors had far greater shakey beginings than this one. The CEO of the parent company producing the new game. A person with enough clout to get a retraction of his comments and yet has not done so. Comments made to a respected source; not some chucklehead's myspace page or a spoof/satire blog page.
If SOE, LA, Bioware, or EA had made a follow up comment to either confirm, deny, or even "no comment" I might have even subbed to give the WS upgrade a real shot. It seemed well done on the two days I had to play on the last vet trial. But crafting is a long term gameplay because of resource gathering. Long enough I won't play since his comment was made. I have no idea how long this game will be around. I won't make the time investment with WS unless I have ironclad no sooner than shut down dates from SOE/LA stemming from EA CEO comments. Instead I'll sit here content that potential players aren't even worth a "no comment" about the EA CEO's comment.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast_Publications
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
Again, the "report" was posted as a blog entry, which curiously is bringing up a "page cannot be found" error when I try view it.
Assuming the EA CEO did infact say that, just because he's a CEO doesn't save him from the wrath of Lucas
I'll agree SWG doesn't feel like Star Wars, I mean when I'm playing the game I don't have the movie experience that I want.
SWG was always marketed that you get to make your own "Star Wars experience"
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast_Publications
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
Again, the "report" was posted as a blog entry, which curiously is bringing up a "page cannot be found" error when I try view it.
Assuming the EA CEO did infact say that, just because he's a CEO doesn't save him from the wrath of Lucas
I agree with you Obraik. Even a CEO is accountable to NDA's and LA are the type of people that enforce them. But assuming again he said it, he is the absolute head of the company they have a deal with. Even if LA has a right to hold him accountable, do you think they would hold him accountable considering their relationship they have concerning the new MMO. Do you believe they are going to make a stink with aurguably the largest interactive video game software company in the world. A company that has dozens of IPs and titles in their portfolio plus the absolute know how to promote them. What do you think LA would really do, risk future relationships with someone they need now or in the future; or do you think they would say nothing. I mean less than nothing. They haven't even gave a "no comment." Something they have done for less impactful things.
Back to assuming his comments are real. Could you please post the link of the bog for "page not found." Also the last time I followed this rumor I thought it was said at E3 to an investment magazine reporter. Please feel free to correct any misunderstandings you feel I may have regarding details of the rumor.
Thanks.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
SWG was always marketed that you get to make your own "Star Wars experience"
I liked playing Uncle Owen. Aunt Verue was hot when she was younger
To bad Nancy didn't want me to play my own Uncle Owen experience
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
how about I call it a world renowned news publisher? Cos that's what it is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast_Publications
Yeah, he probably breached an NDA, you should totally call him out on that, maybe he'll fire himself ... lmao
Again, the "report" was posted as a blog entry, which curiously is bringing up a "page cannot be found" error when I try view it.
Assuming the EA CEO did infact say that, just because he's a CEO doesn't save him from the wrath of Lucas
I agree with you Obraik. Even a CEO is accountable to NDA's and LA are the type of people that enforce them. But assuming again he said it, he is the absolute head of the company they have a deal with. Even if LA has a right to hold him accountable, do you think they would hold him accountable considering their relationship they have concerning the new MMO. Do you believe they are going to make a stink with aurguably the largest interactive video game software company in the world. A company that has dozens of IPs and titles in their portfolio plus the absolute know how to promote them. What do you think LA would really do, risk future relationships with someone they need now or in the future; or do you think they would say nothing. I mean less than nothing. They haven't even gave a "no comment." Something they have done for less impactful things.
Back to assuming his comments are real. Could you please post the link of the bog for "page not found." Also the last time I followed this rumor I thought it was said at E3 to an investment magazine reporter. Please feel free to correct any misunderstandings you feel I may have regarding details of the rumor.
Thanks.
Heh, I would argue against EA's "know how" but that's a discussion for a different forum
Whether LA did or didn't do something regarding the supposed comment is something we're unlikely to know - although I'm sure nothing will be done to him by LA if the supposed event never happened 
Has anyone heard anything from the EA guy since that Blog entry?
The site must have just been suffering from an internet glitch as it's now displaying again, http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2008/07/17/ea-to-play-in-knights-of-the-old-republic
As for Nancy...she failed at her attempt to kill the Uncle Owen experience (or, UOE)
I take part in that UOE everynight...
SWG was always marketed that you get to make your own "Star Wars experience"
The problem is whats in the game isn't really Star Wars to me. I mean Star Wars is mainly set out in space and SWG has JTLS as some crap expansion which from what I played of it, sucks..... I mean where are the giant PVP battlles out in space of Rebels trying to blow up the Death Star and that? Wheres the running away from Imperial blockades falcon style? Wheres the meaningful link to PVP on the ground and space like in Episode 6 with them trying to take down the shield on endor so the Rebels can take down the Death Star? All I got from the space expansion was grind on boring missions and visit a pointless POI of something I never even heard of before.
The same goes for the ground game really because while they've made it better than before where it had nothing to do with Star Wars at all, all you did was grind missions........ wow they did that in the movies didn't they lol. Still all i'm doing is grinding on npc's for collections and grinding PVP in some city that noone cares about for lewt. I mean Restuss seriously? Fucking you coulda given me some battleground from the movies.
Another thing I hate is how being a Jedi feels like I've gone back to Episode 4 where they were stuck to the ground and fighting like 80 year old men. Sure thats offering a movie experience lol but fucking the new movies gave me flying in the air and doing crazy shit. You can't give me that stuff and then go back.......... thats like fucking giving me a HDTV and then telling me to go watch SDTV.
However I never played SWG because of Star Wars, I played it because I'm a mmo addict and theres nothing else better to play lol.