What would fix the flyover thing is to let the player set one of three options:
1- Cut scene 2-Fly Over 3- Instant Teleport
Option one works like now. Fly Over would let you observe the landscape the way precious WoW does as you fly through (and I had a couple CTDs back then when I used to do this in the early days of launch) Instant Teleport would be the option 98% of us would probably select after we've seen both the other two a few times.
Apparently you don't even know that the HQ technique means:
You can fly ALL over the land (cities, forests, mountains, rivers) and land ANYWHERE you want and start your adventure.
This is the way it is done in 2007 TBC and will be done in WotLK and Aion also btw.
And Warhammer lore is FULL of flying mounts btw . !! So No excuse except cheap development here.
I think the game you really want is Vanguard. As far as I can tell thats the only game that truely gives you a wide open world where you can go anywhere in the game. There are no boundries or obsticles anything you see you can go to.
Look at it this way, WAR fans, if the OP's complaints are the best he can come up with, the game's in pretty good shape. There's really not much of any substance or importance to the complaints in his rant. After all, you don't see many people flying to his defense or agreeing with him.
I think WAR's in pretty good shape and will be around for quite a while.
There, I've offered up an opinion with as much substance and credibility as his.
A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.
It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..
It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.
Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.
And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
--------------------------------
From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).
This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -
Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.
Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.
The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.
Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.
This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.
It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.
I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.
And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
1) we only need to hear you dont like a game once, not 50,000 posts (obviously overexagerating..but srsly)
2) Every MMORPG has problems, just to give an easy non-arguementive example, WOW also had issues at launch and it turned out to be a great game down the road. (11 million subs prove it)
3) If you dont like a game thats fine, why do you feel obligated to throw a tamper tantrum? Take your meds next time before feeling the urge to post.
4) Im happy to say I wont have to group with you during my Warhammer experiance.
5) Dont judge a game at lauch, judge it after you have played it for a few months. (after fixes, and any changes).
6) This may be all greek to you, and being that I am greek, I will translate. "Stop pretending to be a gamer, and a critic. We have enough of those on this site, and the ones we have are already good." Thank you for your time, now drop the subject please and go attack a different game that deserves your time more then WAR.
well when i gave mine money to AOC i felt raped, when i gave money to WAR i was happy, so far atleast.
Btw game is nice to play and i do plan it to play. If you dont like its your choise OP. Thought things you bi*ching about are really just s*it picking.
This cutscene for flying is really really bad(sarcasm). why? becouse when i whanted to fly from orgimmar to silithus( in wow), i had about 10 mins to make myslef tea, have a piss, maybe even make a sandwitch, check some xxx on internet. Now they took this free time from playing of me! those bastords!
anyway, if you dont whana play it, jugg off m8, then. Everyone else are welcome to join for some WAr
Good top post OP, completely agree with you (not sure about your other posts in this thread). But welcome to a now mainstream genre because of WoW. Now we're targetted with quickly made paper cut-out MMOs for a quick cash boost. That's all it is now. Sad.
However, it's not only in the travelling system, but I would rather not waste my time explaining it to everyone.
Actually its quicker to get around a zone in WoW because they have more flightpaths. It is simply quicker to change from warcamp to warcamp in WAR. That is not the same thing.
There is no fast way from Shadowlans t obottom ellyrion.
Nice with more lies bodypass. Not sure why you are creating a crusade of misinformation. It is almost like you believe these preposterous things. All of your posts are filled with such blatant inaccuracies and blind misinterpetations that I have to conclude that they aer lies.
To the OP: It's fine that you don't like the game WAR for whatever reasons you have. Why in the world would you think it necessary to bleat out your opinion like a sick goat in a forum full of people who are playing and enjoying the game in spite of your dislike. Many people don't agree on what they find fun, I don't see thousands of people who enjoy playing WAR leaving in 7 days because the travel between two points didn't take long enough. I suppose this wonderful fly anywhere and land anywhere to do anything in WoW you are talking about is available to a level 1 character? Oh wait, is it reserved for those people who grind their way through 6 months of boredom to finally experience the glory of free to anywhere flight? Before you say I know nothing of WoW, I was plaing WoW since beta, and I had fun playing WoW for 7 months after launch until I gradually found WoW becoming repetitive and boring to me. A good game, but it lost my interest. The same experience may well happen to me in WAR. Right now I am having fun playing WAR, and nothing you've pointed out in these forums means squat in terms of lessening my enjoyment of the game. I like WAR for what it is, not for what someone else wished it could have been. I don't care it isn't the best game ever made. It's an essentially solid and fun to play game, and that's all that matters to me. All your predictions, doomsaying, naysaying, bitching, moaning, comparing, and whining to the contrary don't change that fact. I don't care if a game has average graphics, has a "been threre already" world, doesn't have the dream MMORPG checklist of features that meets the entire world's expectations. I care if I enjoy playing it! All that other crap is absolutely meaningless to me if I don't enjoy the gameplay. To everyone responding to the OP: realistically the OP is likely just a troll who is playing a game in these forums where the goal is to raise controversy. He's got nothing constructive to add to the conversation, but is looking to rile and annoy the general population here for his own amusement. Feel free to debate him, but it is in essence a useless endeavor. He is not looking to be convinced that WAR needs to be given a closer look, he is looking to argue for the fun of it. The proof will be in the pudding when he refuses to engage me. Unfortunately for him, I also like to argue for the fun of it, I don't get upset, and I don't get riled. I'm very much the counter troll in that sense. I'm just no fun to attempt to annoy. To the OP: any direct response? I hope this helps.
Difference between you and me is obvious : I talk about a game, while you want to fight a person who just happens to publish his opinion on a game.
I don't care about trolls or other stuff. I care about MMORPG's and the sub standards they are into compared to some other publishers.
Like Redboy: he comes shouting every evening in here he HATES a game. Silly. I don't hate games, I do'nt hate people. I am merely annoyed by the fact that people always fall into the trap of underdevelopped products.
Products we all pay for and which are just not good enough.
Not in MY view, but in rather objectively measured facts. Hundreds of facts. But as I could not cite them all, I created a picture: a picture of a world made to make money - cheap .
Everyone with eyes in his head can see the difference between a fully created 3D world you can freely move in and a piece put together with false backgrounds and "loading screens" of flight paths.
Not even interested in fighting you. I am fighting for far better games. And yes Blizzard standards are much better (not perfect - but much much better).
I agree with you the difference is with you that you talk about a game. Unfortunately for us that game is WoW, and you are trolling these forums by stating your preferences in gameplay being what WoW is giving it's customers. I don't have a problem with the fact you enjoy the game design and product that Wow is providing you.
How is he trolling the forum? Hes stating how he dislikes the game and the reasons why. This is a discussion forum, and by the criteria you use to "judge" him, everyone would be a troll.
I just don't understand why it has anything at all to do with whether WAR is a fun game or not. You are essentially the same kind of troll that goes on a Harley Davidson Motorcycle forum and raves about how a Harley Davidson is not a Honda, and thus obviously inferior. The point is if you don't like Harley Davidson Motor Cycles, why would anyone who does like a Harley Davidson need your input? It's an inane activity, not constructive, not helpfull, and not useful anyone here or even yourself. Unless this is some kind of grief therapy because World of Starcraft is not out yet. We all get it, you don't like WAR. Why can't you move on?
No he isnt. He is talking about how shallow WAR is and how much of a clone it is of WoW. Guess what? I agree with him, and I have played past level 10. He is trying to warn potential customers that come on these forums that read these posts (and believe me they DO) and hes trying to make a difference.
YOU'RE the troll here, not him, because you bring up these useless arguments calling anyone who dislikes the game a "troll" because they arent in the same group as you. People need his input because he played the game, this is a discussion forum, got it? He's allowed to express his views, period.
Your presumption that WAR is substandard is flawed because there is no objective standard behind what makes a game fun to play. If there were we would all still be playing Go and Chess since those have been "standards" of gameplay for hundreds of years. WoW is not a standard, it is a product. It's the same logic of saying, now that we have Doom, no one else need bother making a FPS because the "standard" is set. That doesn't fly with game design because there is no such thing as an agreed upon standard. There are only varying degrees of achieving commercial success. If you want to prognosticate that WAR is a commercial failure, that's your perogative, but its useless to the current audience you have chosen. So that either makes you a Don Quiote tilting at the windmill of the "perfect" MMO for everyone, or a troll trying to raise a little controversy for your own amusement.
Again, how is it a presumption? He played the game.
Sadly, youre wrong again. WoW has become an industry standard, whether you like it or not. WoW has dominated the market and every investor wants a piece of the MMO pie, and they will get it any way they see fit.
Seriously, it is MIND BOGGLING how similar WoW and WAR are. WAR is simply WoW with PvP centralized and PvE ignored. It is WoW reversed.
WAR is not a commercial failure, not by far, but it is a failure on our level; that gamers cannot get a triple A MMO without getting the same garbage. What garbage, you say? The garbage by the fact that mostly every MMO that has came out since WoW has linear gameplay, simplified skills, rigid class system, instant gratification, no death penalty etc etc.
And its really starting to hurt, for us gamers that want something more out of our gameplay. I have to agree, after playing WAR I can say that it is bland, repetitive and meaningless. How is it WAR if my death has no meaning?
Hes not a troll, he is a gamer trying to warn other customers of the potential hazards of the product and what they might like, or what they might dislike. Youre the troll for derailing the topic.
A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.
It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..
It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.
Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.
And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
--------------------------------
From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).
This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -
Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.
Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.
The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.
Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.
This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.
It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.
I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.
And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
So which game are you playing, so we all can give a fair swing at it? Because we all know your game is perfect, right?
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Im going to cancel my Warhammer subscription and uninstall the game, burn the discs and stand outside my house with a picket sign protesting the game, all because then, I will finally be convinced, that you are right and I am wrong.. I will never play the game again.. because your opinion has been hammered into me so many times times, that It must be correct.
For all those that answered in a constructive way tx.
For all those that want to defend WAR by insulting a person. Np.
I understand it is hard to swallow my harsh reviews. But they are NEVER targeted at hating anything.
They are targeted at the industry that makes these things and STILL find persons who come up with titles like "next generation MMO" for products like WAR or like AoC.
Some didn't understand what I really wanted to say: I just used the picture of the full 3D lands developed (by flying over it in a free style) to demonstrate that a LOT of things underneath WAR are as hollow and ugly as that camouflaged "loading screen" of that flight path.
And A LOT means a LOT of problems. I don't even speak of Bugs. I speak of complete design failures and stop gaps just to 'take the money and run". Dozens of them.
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Just one last remark : in my OP I mentioned perhaps the BIGGEST design failure of WAR. it is not so obvious as the ugly flight scene, but it will have an impact on the further existence even of this game. The very low server caps - to avoid the lag - could kill it faster than you think.
It is almost incredible that the two latest MMO's launched suffer from exactly the same sickness (all because of underdevelopment and lack of testing of course) and that is .... player lag.
AoC designers just lowered the number of people in one instance as a last minute "miracle" patch. Mythic decided that to avoid the lag of spells and "detached combat" they needed to have lower caps on servers.
The solution of Mythic is even worse, because unless you play on full servers, you NEVER will have enough players to fill out your RvR, scenarios and PQ's. Now we finally know why they left out the 4 other capitols 3(!) months before publishing....: they would never have any meaning with so thin populated servers.
This is one of the many problems WAR faces at the moment, and they can ALL be related to cheap/quick development without having met the industry standards in quality and preparation.
The bad cut scenes of the transporter and the window dressing of non existent mountains are the obvious proof of a cheap and underdeveloped product, the REAL problems lay underneath, but they all lead to the same conclusion:
How to take the shortest cut to the money you ALL are so desperate to spend.
It's a shame we the players insult each other, while the only ones we should be attacking are the developpers.
I agree with you the difference is with you that you talk about a game. Unfortunately for us that game is WoW, and you are trolling these forums by stating your preferences in gameplay being what WoW is giving it's customers. I don't have a problem with the fact you enjoy the game design and product that Wow is providing you. How is he trolling the forum? Hes stating how he dislikes the game and the reasons why. This is a discussion forum, and by the criteria you use to "judge" him, everyone would be a troll. I just don't understand why it has anything at all to do with whether WAR is a fun game or not. You are essentially the same kind of troll that goes on a Harley Davidson Motorcycle forum and raves about how a Harley Davidson is not a Honda, and thus obviously inferior. The point is if you don't like Harley Davidson Motor Cycles, why would anyone who does like a Harley Davidson need your input? It's an inane activity, not constructive, not helpfull, and not useful anyone here or even yourself. Unless this is some kind of grief therapy because World of Starcraft is not out yet. We all get it, you don't like WAR. Why can't you move on? No he isnt. He is talking about how shallow WAR is and how much of a clone it is of WoW. Guess what? I agree with him, and I have played past level 10. He is trying to warn potential customers that come on these forums that read these posts (and believe me they DO) and hes trying to make a difference. YOU'RE the troll here, not him, because you bring up these useless arguments calling anyone who dislikes the game a "troll" because they arent in the same group as you. People need his input because he played the game, this is a discussion forum, got it? He's allowed to express his views, period. Your presumption that WAR is substandard is flawed because there is no objective standard behind what makes a game fun to play. If there were we would all still be playing Go and Chess since those have been "standards" of gameplay for hundreds of years. WoW is not a standard, it is a product. It's the same logic of saying, now that we have Doom, no one else need bother making a FPS because the "standard" is set. That doesn't fly with game design because there is no such thing as an agreed upon standard. There are only varying degrees of achieving commercial success. If you want to prognosticate that WAR is a commercial failure, that's your perogative, but its useless to the current audience you have chosen. So that either makes you a Don Quiote tilting at the windmill of the "perfect" MMO for everyone, or a troll trying to raise a little controversy for your own amusement. Again, how is it a presumption? He played the game. Sadly, youre wrong again. WoW has become an industry standard, whether you like it or not. WoW has dominated the market and every investor wants a piece of the MMO pie, and they will get it any way they see fit. Seriously, it is MIND BOGGLING how similar WoW and WAR are. WAR is simply WoW with PvP centralized and PvE ignored. It is WoW reversed. WAR is not a commercial failure, not by far, but it is a failure on our level; that gamers cannot get a triple A MMO without getting the same garbage. What garbage, you say? The garbage by the fact that mostly every MMO that has came out since WoW has linear gameplay, simplified skills, rigid class system, instant gratification, no death penalty etc etc. And its really starting to hurt, for us gamers that want something more out of our gameplay. I have to agree, after playing WAR I can say that it is bland, repetitive and meaningless. How is it WAR if my death has no meaning? Hes not a troll, he is a gamer trying to warn other customers of the potential hazards of the product and what they might like, or what they might dislike. Youre the troll for derailing the topic. I hope this helps.
Ah, Ghost wants to play the wack a troll game now too. I certainly did not say to the OP that he had to love WAR or play WAR. I am not saying he doesn't have legitimate "subjective" reasons why he does not like WAR. I am clarifiying that his reasons are not "objective" reasons, instead they are clearly "subjective", and thus only meaningfull to the people who have the same "subjective" view of gameing as himself. That is not likely to be the case in the forum full of WAR players. Our general subjective view is that we enjoy the game of WAR. We may have issues and concerns about the state of the game or changes to the game, and threads of that nature are valid for the audience here.
However, we don't need someone warning us that we are wrong to enjoy playing WAR. That is just a waste of the OPs time in my personal opinion, and I have as much right to present my personal opinion as you or the OP. His message is that we shouldn't be playing WAR, and he tries very hard to rationalize why we all need to hold out until some company makes the game that "He wants to Play". Guess what, the OP has a game he likes to play, and it's silly for him to be wasting his time decrying the players who enjoy playing WAR. Check my history, and you'll find that I've stated several times here that WAR is Not a game everyone would like. I just don't understand why those who don't like it feel the need to whine and moan about it like little children disapointed at Christmas that the cool robot they saw in the TV advertisement in reality did not become their one true best friend.
Once again, let me support the OP's original post in this thread before he started trolling with people - that those who only prefer complex wide open sandbox grind style PVE game experiences, WAR is not the game for you, please get over it and move along - I hear Vangard: Saga of Heroes is more your taste, or maybe EQ2. For those who think WoW and Blizzard Entertainment are the penultimate game experience, please go have fun. WAR is no threat to the MMO king of the hill, and you can leave in peace. However, for those of us who enjoy team based RvR, this is definitely the game for us. Can I explain it any more clearly to you? WAR is not the perfect everyman game.
So I'm thinking it's very silly of the self proclaimed MMO experts who come in and compare their apple to the WAR orange as if they have the only measure of what is fun in their hand. Once again - there is no objective measure for fun, it is a totally subjective evaluation. If you can't understand that simple fact, then just dismiss me as fool who's playing the wrong game and not understanding I should not be enjoying it. I'll still be having fun, and you'll still be bitterly fuming about what's wrong with everything.
I hope this helps.
Edit: p.s. the OP derailed this topic himself long before I jumped into this thread. As a counter troll it is my avocation to jump into derailed topics and close them out or put them back on track.
A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.
It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..
It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.
Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.
And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
--------------------------------
From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).
This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -
Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.
Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.
The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.
Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.
This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.
It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.
I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.
And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
ok heres my question for you.... Can you do better??????? didnt think so
edit: maybe i was a bit harsh there but, my point stands true this is a buisness people, and it will always be this way, if you cant come to accept the fact then maybe you should not play them. I see people cry how this game is flawed well so what. What game isnt in some way. My point is judge all you want but noone really cares about your opinion. Everyone can see for themselfs and judge if its for them or not you dont need to do it for them.
I just don't understand why people compare any mmorpg to WoW, yes its the biggest 'paided' mmorpg out there, no one compares a mmorpg to say Runescape, even though thats the biggest 'free' mmorpg out there.
Well why should you compare any mmorpg to anything before it, when a reviewer a game, does the reviewer compare it to a similar game no, because its not fair to compare a game that already has fans and haters. I just don't get it, Wars like Wow, every mmorpg released since wow is just a wow clone, blah blah blah, thats exactly like saying, every racing game is the same, fifa is the same to pro evo etc. Mmorpgs are all comparable, most have a lvling system, most have a little character that you put armour on and fight mobs and do quests, etc, well thats pretty much every mmorpg ever!
War, is war, its comparable to a lot of mmorpgs, but what mmorpg isn't? War is great fun, if you don't like it thats down to you, but is there any point in coming on to the forums just to slate how bad the game is and how bad all mmorpgs are compared to wow, if you like wow so much play that.
Personally i think War is the best mmorpg I've actually played, regardless of the bugs, what mmorpg doesn't have them, but war is great fun, the rvr is very balanced the pve is fun, and as soon as I get to be able to seige cities, it will be amazing! Sieging the keeps is good fun already, sieging with battering rams and cannons! The pve is good too, the mobs are different and the animations are really grose in a good way, for example the trolls are sick all over u then knock you to the ground, really orginal, not seen that before.
For all those that answered in a constructive way tx.
For all those that want to defend WAR by insulting a person. Np.
I understand it is hard to swallow my harsh reviews. But they are NEVER targeted at hating anything.
They are targeted at the industry that makes these things and STILL find persons who come up with titles like "next generation MMO" for products like WAR or like AoC.
Some didn't understand what I really wanted to say: I just used the picture of the full 3D lands developed (by flying over it in a free style) to demonstrate that a LOT of things underneath WAR are as hollow and ugly as that camouflaged "loading screen" of that flight path.
And A LOT means a LOT of problems. I don't even speak of Bugs. I speak of complete design failures and stop gaps just to 'take the money and run". Dozens of them.
------
Just one last remark : in my OP I mentioned perhaps the BIGGEST design failure of WAR. it is not so obvious as the ugly flight scene, but it will have an impact on the further existence even of this game. The very low server caps - to avoid the lag - could kill it faster than you think.
It is almost incredible that the two latest MMO's launched suffer from exactly the same sickness (all because of underdevelopment and lack of testing of course) and that is .... player lag.
AoC designers just lowered the number of people in one instance as a last minute "miracle" patch. Mythic decided that to avoid the lag of spells and "detached combat" they needed to have lower caps on servers.
The solution of Mythic is even worse, because unless you play on full servers, you NEVER will have enough players to fill out your RvR, scenarios and PQ's. Now we finally know why they left out the 4 other capitols 3(!) months before publishing....: they would never have any meaning with so thin populated servers.
This is one of the many problems WAR faces at the moment, and they can ALL be related to cheap/quick development without having met the industry standards in quality and preparation.
The bad cut scenes of the transporter and the window dressing of non existent mountains are the obvious proof of a cheap and underdeveloped product, the REAL problems lay underneath, but they all lead to the same conclusion:
How to take the shortest cut to the money you ALL are so desperate to spend.
It's a shame we the players insult each other, while the only ones we should be attacking are the developpers.
The reason people are replying negatively...is not because of the harsh review...its because you gave the review to us more then once...twice...three times..in fact ive lost count on other threads. Now the first time I dont mind your input, after the first time of posting a thread...it becomes personal persuation done on purpose. You are trying to force your opinion on people, and that is not only rude...but uncalled for. btw...players arent attacking themselves...we are attacking trolls who are trying to ruin the game for people who are honestly trying to enjoy it. If you post another troll thread i will request you banned from creating one on this subject again. Thank you, have a nice day.
I really love the instant travel in WAR. One of the things I really hated in WoW was having to sit there staring at my character doing absolutely nothing for 10 minutes while traveling somewhere. WAR's method lets the players focus on playing the game, rather than waiting for the game to let you play.
I agree. I hate long travel times. Theres no reason at all that traveling from one place to another should take so long that you go afk, like you do in WoW sometimes. I've seen the ground under me enough times that I don't need to see it everytime I take a flight.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Silly boy, you mistakenly posted this in the War forum instead of the AoC forum .
Haha no kidding. Certainly funny to see all these people with 200 posts and they JUST created an account right around WAR release. That's what, 200 posts in a week or so? No new poster is likely to go bananas like that, more an established posted is likely to do so. Even though they are avoiding posting on their main on these boards, I bet he still can't resist commenting in the AoC boards to boot. But yea....got to love how these guys are doing anything they can to bring down WAR, and try and drive a few more subs to that pathetic game and dead server farm called Age of Conan.
Bodypas can i just ask a few simple questions. just read your last post and maybe i have judged you too harsh, for which i apologise but a few questions non the less. 1: Why do you think the game is missing a full 3D world? it's simply not meant to have one! i havent seen sandbox skills either, nor in wow for that matter. Doesnt make it bad though does it? 2: You say your fighting for the people that are fooled into substandard games....what makes you better than me at judging games?
Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer to this one! It's easy!
It's because you disagree with him. So obviously you couldn't possibly be as smart as he is.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.
It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..
It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.
Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.
And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).
This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -
Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.
Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.
The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.
Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.
This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.
It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.
I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.
And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
You remind me of a guy I used to know. When we would go to the movies he would talk through the whole thing, criticizing various unrealistic aspects of the movie. No shit IT'S A MOVIE projected onto white screen. Yet he is convinced of his superiority because he recognizes the illusion. LOL. Well listen up Sherlock, we all know the mountains in WAR are not real.
Why don't you name an mmo for me currently out that meets all your standards? Then we'll do a little comparing eh?
LMAO... I had a similar thing happen once. I'd gone to see Jurassic Park 2 in the theater with some friends. On the way out after the movie, one of them opined:
"A T-Rex loose in San Francisco is too far-fetched..."
I replied:
"As opposed to a living T-Rex existing at all..."
Yeah, I love it when people hyper-analyze stuff pointlessly like that.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.
It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..
It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.
Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.
And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).
This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -
Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.
Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.
The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.
Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.
This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.
It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.
I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.
And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
Yep you are correct. WAR is no different than a Unreal tournament like game in which you choose your pvp types of matches, only you are on a ladder and have very basic character progression.
Lets face it though, while WAR is no shining gem, nor is anything above average, it offers some pvp and a distraction. I would rather be distracted by a fun but sub par designed game than nothing at all.
I wish we had better options but at this point we have little to choose from. The industry has been dumbed down since complexity and depth were of a time where it was actually popular to have those features. Now, we have a mixture of businessmen and console kiddies, attracted by the glitter of games like WoW and those f2p asian grinders, who cant stand those qualities that made our genre to begin with.
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Apparently you don't even know that the HQ technique means:
You can fly ALL over the land (cities, forests, mountains, rivers) and land ANYWHERE you want and start your adventure.
This is the way it is done in 2007 TBC and will be done in WotLK and Aion also btw.
And Warhammer lore is FULL of flying mounts btw . !! So No excuse except cheap development here.
I think the game you really want is Vanguard. As far as I can tell thats the only game that truely gives you a wide open world where you can go anywhere in the game. There are no boundries or obsticles anything you see you can go to.
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Theres also Anarchy Online. A great game for its time, before all these MMO kiddies started appearing on the scene. Great times they were.
Look at it this way, WAR fans, if the OP's complaints are the best he can come up with, the game's in pretty good shape. There's really not much of any substance or importance to the complaints in his rant. After all, you don't see many people flying to his defense or agreeing with him.
I think WAR's in pretty good shape and will be around for quite a while.
There, I've offered up an opinion with as much substance and credibility as his.
1) we only need to hear you dont like a game once, not 50,000 posts (obviously overexagerating..but srsly)
2) Every MMORPG has problems, just to give an easy non-arguementive example, WOW also had issues at launch and it turned out to be a great game down the road. (11 million subs prove it)
3) If you dont like a game thats fine, why do you feel obligated to throw a tamper tantrum? Take your meds next time before feeling the urge to post.
4) Im happy to say I wont have to group with you during my Warhammer experiance.
5) Dont judge a game at lauch, judge it after you have played it for a few months. (after fixes, and any changes).
6) This may be all greek to you, and being that I am greek, I will translate. "Stop pretending to be a gamer, and a critic. We have enough of those on this site, and the ones we have are already good." Thank you for your time, now drop the subject please and go attack a different game that deserves your time more then WAR.
@ bodypass
Please just stop, you're making yourself look like a total idiot.
I disagree. He needs to keep posting. It's freaking hysterical.
well when i gave mine money to AOC i felt raped, when i gave money to WAR i was happy, so far atleast.
Btw game is nice to play and i do plan it to play. If you dont like its your choise OP. Thought things you bi*ching about are really just s*it picking.
This cutscene for flying is really really bad(sarcasm). why? becouse when i whanted to fly from orgimmar to silithus( in wow), i had about 10 mins to make myslef tea, have a piss, maybe even make a sandwitch, check some xxx on internet. Now they took this free time from playing of me! those bastords!
anyway, if you dont whana play it, jugg off m8, then. Everyone else are welcome to join for some WAr
Good top post OP, completely agree with you (not sure about your other posts in this thread). But welcome to a now mainstream genre because of WoW. Now we're targetted with quickly made paper cut-out MMOs for a quick cash boost. That's all it is now. Sad.
However, it's not only in the travelling system, but I would rather not waste my time explaining it to everyone.
Priceless.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
Actually its quicker to get around a zone in WoW because they have more flightpaths. It is simply quicker to change from warcamp to warcamp in WAR. That is not the same thing.
There is no fast way from Shadowlans t obottom ellyrion.
Nice with more lies bodypass. Not sure why you are creating a crusade of misinformation. It is almost like you believe these preposterous things. All of your posts are filled with such blatant inaccuracies and blind misinterpetations that I have to conclude that they aer lies.
Difference between you and me is obvious : I talk about a game, while you want to fight a person who just happens to publish his opinion on a game.
I don't care about trolls or other stuff. I care about MMORPG's and the sub standards they are into compared to some other publishers.
Like Redboy: he comes shouting every evening in here he HATES a game. Silly. I don't hate games, I do'nt hate people. I am merely annoyed by the fact that people always fall into the trap of underdevelopped products.
Products we all pay for and which are just not good enough.
Not in MY view, but in rather objectively measured facts. Hundreds of facts. But as I could not cite them all, I created a picture: a picture of a world made to make money - cheap .
Everyone with eyes in his head can see the difference between a fully created 3D world you can freely move in and a piece put together with false backgrounds and "loading screens" of flight paths.
Not even interested in fighting you. I am fighting for far better games. And yes Blizzard standards are much better (not perfect - but much much better).
I agree with you the difference is with you that you talk about a game. Unfortunately for us that game is WoW, and you are trolling these forums by stating your preferences in gameplay being what WoW is giving it's customers. I don't have a problem with the fact you enjoy the game design and product that Wow is providing you.
How is he trolling the forum? Hes stating how he dislikes the game and the reasons why. This is a discussion forum, and by the criteria you use to "judge" him, everyone would be a troll.
I just don't understand why it has anything at all to do with whether WAR is a fun game or not. You are essentially the same kind of troll that goes on a Harley Davidson Motorcycle forum and raves about how a Harley Davidson is not a Honda, and thus obviously inferior. The point is if you don't like Harley Davidson Motor Cycles, why would anyone who does like a Harley Davidson need your input? It's an inane activity, not constructive, not helpfull, and not useful anyone here or even yourself. Unless this is some kind of grief therapy because World of Starcraft is not out yet. We all get it, you don't like WAR. Why can't you move on?
No he isnt. He is talking about how shallow WAR is and how much of a clone it is of WoW. Guess what? I agree with him, and I have played past level 10. He is trying to warn potential customers that come on these forums that read these posts (and believe me they DO) and hes trying to make a difference.
YOU'RE the troll here, not him, because you bring up these useless arguments calling anyone who dislikes the game a "troll" because they arent in the same group as you. People need his input because he played the game, this is a discussion forum, got it? He's allowed to express his views, period.
Your presumption that WAR is substandard is flawed because there is no objective standard behind what makes a game fun to play. If there were we would all still be playing Go and Chess since those have been "standards" of gameplay for hundreds of years. WoW is not a standard, it is a product. It's the same logic of saying, now that we have Doom, no one else need bother making a FPS because the "standard" is set. That doesn't fly with game design because there is no such thing as an agreed upon standard. There are only varying degrees of achieving commercial success. If you want to prognosticate that WAR is a commercial failure, that's your perogative, but its useless to the current audience you have chosen. So that either makes you a Don Quiote tilting at the windmill of the "perfect" MMO for everyone, or a troll trying to raise a little controversy for your own amusement.
Again, how is it a presumption? He played the game.
Sadly, youre wrong again. WoW has become an industry standard, whether you like it or not. WoW has dominated the market and every investor wants a piece of the MMO pie, and they will get it any way they see fit.
Seriously, it is MIND BOGGLING how similar WoW and WAR are. WAR is simply WoW with PvP centralized and PvE ignored. It is WoW reversed.
WAR is not a commercial failure, not by far, but it is a failure on our level; that gamers cannot get a triple A MMO without getting the same garbage. What garbage, you say? The garbage by the fact that mostly every MMO that has came out since WoW has linear gameplay, simplified skills, rigid class system, instant gratification, no death penalty etc etc.
And its really starting to hurt, for us gamers that want something more out of our gameplay. I have to agree, after playing WAR I can say that it is bland, repetitive and meaningless. How is it WAR if my death has no meaning?
Hes not a troll, he is a gamer trying to warn other customers of the potential hazards of the product and what they might like, or what they might dislike. Youre the troll for derailing the topic.
I hope this helps.
So which game are you playing, so we all can give a fair swing at it? Because we all know your game is perfect, right?
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Im going to cancel my Warhammer subscription and uninstall the game, burn the discs and stand outside my house with a picket sign protesting the game, all because then, I will finally be convinced, that you are right and I am wrong.. I will never play the game again.. because your opinion has been hammered into me so many times times, that It must be correct.
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'Cry Havoc, and Let Loose the Dogs of WARRRRR!!!'
For all those that answered in a constructive way tx.
For all those that want to defend WAR by insulting a person. Np.
I understand it is hard to swallow my harsh reviews. But they are NEVER targeted at hating anything.
They are targeted at the industry that makes these things and STILL find persons who come up with titles like "next generation MMO" for products like WAR or like AoC.
Some didn't understand what I really wanted to say: I just used the picture of the full 3D lands developed (by flying over it in a free style) to demonstrate that a LOT of things underneath WAR are as hollow and ugly as that camouflaged "loading screen" of that flight path.
And A LOT means a LOT of problems. I don't even speak of Bugs. I speak of complete design failures and stop gaps just to 'take the money and run". Dozens of them.
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Just one last remark : in my OP I mentioned perhaps the BIGGEST design failure of WAR. it is not so obvious as the ugly flight scene, but it will have an impact on the further existence even of this game. The very low server caps - to avoid the lag - could kill it faster than you think.
It is almost incredible that the two latest MMO's launched suffer from exactly the same sickness (all because of underdevelopment and lack of testing of course) and that is .... player lag.
AoC designers just lowered the number of people in one instance as a last minute "miracle" patch. Mythic decided that to avoid the lag of spells and "detached combat" they needed to have lower caps on servers.
The solution of Mythic is even worse, because unless you play on full servers, you NEVER will have enough players to fill out your RvR, scenarios and PQ's. Now we finally know why they left out the 4 other capitols 3(!) months before publishing....: they would never have any meaning with so thin populated servers.
This is one of the many problems WAR faces at the moment, and they can ALL be related to cheap/quick development without having met the industry standards in quality and preparation.
The bad cut scenes of the transporter and the window dressing of non existent mountains are the obvious proof of a cheap and underdeveloped product, the REAL problems lay underneath, but they all lead to the same conclusion:
How to take the shortest cut to the money you ALL are so desperate to spend.
It's a shame we the players insult each other, while the only ones we should be attacking are the developpers.
Ah, Ghost wants to play the wack a troll game now too. I certainly did not say to the OP that he had to love WAR or play WAR. I am not saying he doesn't have legitimate "subjective" reasons why he does not like WAR. I am clarifiying that his reasons are not "objective" reasons, instead they are clearly "subjective", and thus only meaningfull to the people who have the same "subjective" view of gameing as himself. That is not likely to be the case in the forum full of WAR players. Our general subjective view is that we enjoy the game of WAR. We may have issues and concerns about the state of the game or changes to the game, and threads of that nature are valid for the audience here.
However, we don't need someone warning us that we are wrong to enjoy playing WAR. That is just a waste of the OPs time in my personal opinion, and I have as much right to present my personal opinion as you or the OP. His message is that we shouldn't be playing WAR, and he tries very hard to rationalize why we all need to hold out until some company makes the game that "He wants to Play". Guess what, the OP has a game he likes to play, and it's silly for him to be wasting his time decrying the players who enjoy playing WAR. Check my history, and you'll find that I've stated several times here that WAR is Not a game everyone would like. I just don't understand why those who don't like it feel the need to whine and moan about it like little children disapointed at Christmas that the cool robot they saw in the TV advertisement in reality did not become their one true best friend.
Once again, let me support the OP's original post in this thread before he started trolling with people - that those who only prefer complex wide open sandbox grind style PVE game experiences, WAR is not the game for you, please get over it and move along - I hear Vangard: Saga of Heroes is more your taste, or maybe EQ2. For those who think WoW and Blizzard Entertainment are the penultimate game experience, please go have fun. WAR is no threat to the MMO king of the hill, and you can leave in peace. However, for those of us who enjoy team based RvR, this is definitely the game for us. Can I explain it any more clearly to you? WAR is not the perfect everyman game.
So I'm thinking it's very silly of the self proclaimed MMO experts who come in and compare their apple to the WAR orange as if they have the only measure of what is fun in their hand. Once again - there is no objective measure for fun, it is a totally subjective evaluation. If you can't understand that simple fact, then just dismiss me as fool who's playing the wrong game and not understanding I should not be enjoying it. I'll still be having fun, and you'll still be bitterly fuming about what's wrong with everything.
I hope this helps.
Edit: p.s. the OP derailed this topic himself long before I jumped into this thread. As a counter troll it is my avocation to jump into derailed topics and close them out or put them back on track.
ok heres my question for you.... Can you do better??????? didnt think so
edit: maybe i was a bit harsh there but, my point stands true this is a buisness people, and it will always be this way, if you cant come to accept the fact then maybe you should not play them. I see people cry how this game is flawed well so what. What game isnt in some way. My point is judge all you want but noone really cares about your opinion. Everyone can see for themselfs and judge if its for them or not you dont need to do it for them.
I just don't understand why people compare any mmorpg to WoW, yes its the biggest 'paided' mmorpg out there, no one compares a mmorpg to say Runescape, even though thats the biggest 'free' mmorpg out there.
Well why should you compare any mmorpg to anything before it, when a reviewer a game, does the reviewer compare it to a similar game no, because its not fair to compare a game that already has fans and haters. I just don't get it, Wars like Wow, every mmorpg released since wow is just a wow clone, blah blah blah, thats exactly like saying, every racing game is the same, fifa is the same to pro evo etc. Mmorpgs are all comparable, most have a lvling system, most have a little character that you put armour on and fight mobs and do quests, etc, well thats pretty much every mmorpg ever!
War, is war, its comparable to a lot of mmorpgs, but what mmorpg isn't? War is great fun, if you don't like it thats down to you, but is there any point in coming on to the forums just to slate how bad the game is and how bad all mmorpgs are compared to wow, if you like wow so much play that.
Personally i think War is the best mmorpg I've actually played, regardless of the bugs, what mmorpg doesn't have them, but war is great fun, the rvr is very balanced the pve is fun, and as soon as I get to be able to seige cities, it will be amazing! Sieging the keeps is good fun already, sieging with battering rams and cannons! The pve is good too, the mobs are different and the animations are really grose in a good way, for example the trolls are sick all over u then knock you to the ground, really orginal, not seen that before.
OP you are right, its interesting to see how many (me inlcuded) felt into another Trap
The reason people are replying negatively...is not because of the harsh review...its because you gave the review to us more then once...twice...three times..in fact ive lost count on other threads. Now the first time I dont mind your input, after the first time of posting a thread...it becomes personal persuation done on purpose. You are trying to force your opinion on people, and that is not only rude...but uncalled for. btw...players arent attacking themselves...we are attacking trolls who are trying to ruin the game for people who are honestly trying to enjoy it. If you post another troll thread i will request you banned from creating one on this subject again. Thank you, have a nice day.
I agree. I hate long travel times. Theres no reason at all that traveling from one place to another should take so long that you go afk, like you do in WoW sometimes. I've seen the ground under me enough times that I don't need to see it everytime I take a flight.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Haha no kidding. Certainly funny to see all these people with 200 posts and they JUST created an account right around WAR release. That's what, 200 posts in a week or so? No new poster is likely to go bananas like that, more an established posted is likely to do so. Even though they are avoiding posting on their main on these boards, I bet he still can't resist commenting in the AoC boards to boot. But yea....got to love how these guys are doing anything they can to bring down WAR, and try and drive a few more subs to that pathetic game and dead server farm called Age of Conan.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You remind me of a guy I used to know. When we would go to the movies he would talk through the whole thing, criticizing various unrealistic aspects of the movie. No shit IT'S A MOVIE projected onto white screen. Yet he is convinced of his superiority because he recognizes the illusion. LOL. Well listen up Sherlock, we all know the mountains in WAR are not real.
Why don't you name an mmo for me currently out that meets all your standards? Then we'll do a little comparing eh?
LMAO... I had a similar thing happen once. I'd gone to see Jurassic Park 2 in the theater with some friends. On the way out after the movie, one of them opined:
"A T-Rex loose in San Francisco is too far-fetched..."
I replied:
"As opposed to a living T-Rex existing at all..."
Yeah, I love it when people hyper-analyze stuff pointlessly like that.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I propose a new term: HATEBOI
Yep you are correct. WAR is no different than a Unreal tournament like game in which you choose your pvp types of matches, only you are on a ladder and have very basic character progression.
Lets face it though, while WAR is no shining gem, nor is anything above average, it offers some pvp and a distraction. I would rather be distracted by a fun but sub par designed game than nothing at all.
I wish we had better options but at this point we have little to choose from. The industry has been dumbed down since complexity and depth were of a time where it was actually popular to have those features. Now, we have a mixture of businessmen and console kiddies, attracted by the glitter of games like WoW and those f2p asian grinders, who cant stand those qualities that made our genre to begin with.