When evaluating forum posts, it's quality not quantity,
and just because somebody says something negative doesn't mean others will believe what they are saying. For example, compare the negative posts in WAR with the negative posts in AoC. AoC would have posts about huge advertised features not being present or major game-breaking bugs or loading-screens everywhere. Things that ultimately discouraged me from buying it.
Now the negative stuff on WAR is just: i'm bored and WAR doesn't satisfy or things like that. More subjective opinions; which frankly don't convince or influence purchase decisions that much. So i bought a copy, my sons enjoyed it... we've ended up with 3 accounts. It's smooth, no major bugs of the sort that stop us from playing, it has a LOT of gameplay and different kinds of things to do.... it's fun. Probably the best mix of pve and pvp I've seen in an mmo in years. (aside: it's the gameplay I was wanting to see in WoW instead of just 10 more levels of the same thing with new items).
Negative comments will NEVER stop. I don't want them to. The overall subjectivity in the negative posts speaks volumes of positive for the game imo.
So anyone wanna give a gues as to when the WAR bashing threads are going to go away? Or when people consider the not cool to post anymore. I really am getting getting fed up of the constant nit picking that goes on in here. *cue lol fanboi replies*
War bashing will never go away. No matter how good a game is or if the devs put in everything people want in a game they will still complain, its just human nature.
When evaluating forum posts, it's quality not quantity, and just because somebody says something negative doesn't mean others will believe what they are saying. For example, compare the negative posts in WAR with the negative posts in AoC. AoC would have posts about huge advertised features not being present or major game-breaking bugs or loading-screens everywhere. Things that ultimately discouraged me from buying it. Now the negative stuff on WAR is just: i'm bored and WAR doesn't satisfy or things like that. More subjective opinions; which frankly don't convince or influence purchase decisions that much. So i bought a copy, my sons enjoyed it... we've ended up with 3 accounts. It's smooth, no major bugs of the sort that stop us from playing, it has a LOT of gameplay and different kinds of things to do.... it's fun. Probably the best mix of pve and pvp I've seen in an mmo in years. (aside: it's the gameplay I was wanting to see in WoW instead of just 10 more levels of the same thing with new items). Negative comments will NEVER stop. I don't want them to. The overall subjectivity in the negative posts speaks volumes of positive for the game imo.
I have to agree that the subjectivity of the majority of negativism makes a fairly convincing case that someone either likes the product that WAR is, or they wished that WAR was something it is not. I've seen very little objective complaints about WAR beyond the fact that 4 capturable cities and 4 classes were dropped from the initial game design concept pre-launch. The majority of the rest of the complaints have nothing to do with playability, missing features, or fun, but a subjective evaluation of WAR based on of the kind of game a particular player prefers.
Since I'm having fun playing WAR, I could care less that someone else prefers a more sandbox style game experience, while another player prefers a more console style game experience, etc.. WAR was not made to be everyone's kind of game, read the design concept information available on Mythic's site, and you can see what the Mythic developers and the EA marketing people think the game is about. They have been pretty straight forward about the kind of game WAR is, and I have not seen them claiming it is revolutionary in game play or cutting edge in execution. It's fine that people have personal preferences that lead them to dislike WAR for whatever reason, but why do they assume that every product on the market has to statisfy their personal gaming preferences or else it's horrible, bad, suxors, etc.. There is a difference between a game which is broken and unplayable by the majority of people, and a game which just might not be someone's cup of tea. In my mind WAR falls solidly into the second category.
So anyone wanna give a gues as to when the WAR bashing threads are going to go away? Or when people consider the not cool to post anymore. I really am getting getting fed up of the constant nit picking that goes on in here. *cue lol fanboi replies*
when nit picking haters stop nit picking threads.
Like you're one to talk...you're one of the biggest nit picking haters on the whole site....no offense but its true ... the reply history to your posts over the past year proves it.
To be honest anyone coming here expecting real constructive posts, talks about what they did in game, etc etc realy has no idea what MMORPG.com is generally about. Its the big whine / cry / bitch / news site all the old school hardcore gamers who think only their way come here and attempt to rule here. Any game that isn't sandbox or have FFA PvP gets constant negative threads posted to its forum area.
People really wanting to discuss the game in a constructive manner are better off going to websites dedicated to the game. (not that there aren't flame / cry posts at other sites its just the natural way of the internet when you put thousands of people together).
There is a difference between a game which is broken and unplayable by the majority of people, and a game which just might not be someone's cup of tea. In my mind WAR falls solidly into the second category. I hope this helps.
exactly! I wish more people could understand this concept.
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People will stop nit picking newly released MMOs when an MMO that is actually good enough to look past the nit picking is released. But when mediocre clones get released left and right, they are going to nit pick the differences and flaws between the cloner and the clonee.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
People will stop nit picking newly released MMOs when an MMO that is actually good enough to look past the nit picking is released. But when mediocre clones get released left and right, they are going to nit pick the differences and flaws between the cloner and the clonee.
See point proven about the hardcores...they attempt to believe their way is the only way. Shame really that they can't just enjoy something for what it is instead of what they think it should be. If youd ont like something just move on there's no real point in whining about it when its obvious there are people who do like it.
Lets be honest about this, Warhammer is nothing new. personally I have not played the game but from reviews and watching clips of the game it's just the same old MMO, granted the graphics and the depth of the game may be better but this is expected from newer games but the basic setup is the same as all the others games out there.
I am now playing EvE after playing countless other MMOs and it has to be said, I think EvE is the MMO gravyard of MMO players, like the place you go do die
EvE has a depth I have never seen, it's a layed back game with mostly adults playing it...I will never play another MMO except for EvE until I see some crativity happening...sticking to the same old set up is simply not doing it for me anymore, take away all the ships and stuff and even EvE at its core has the same MMO set up as most except for stuff like the training method which is great (designed for more layed back players and hardcore players)
Also a great thing about EvE is there is no moulded proffessions, you really can "carve out" your own proffession in the gamewhich I think gives you the feeling of freedom, it's a great design.....so I'm waiting for that spark. until then EvE is my game and by the looks of things this may be the last MMO I play....
Lets be honest about this, Warhammer is nothing new. personally I have not played the game but from reviews and watching clips of the game it's just the same old MMO, granted the graphics and the depth of the game may be better but this is expected from newer games but the basic setup is the same as all the others games out there.
I am now playing EvE after playing countless other MMOs and it has to be said, I think EvE is the MMO gravyard of MMO players, like the place you go do die EvE has a depth I have never seen, it's a layed back game with mostly adults playing it...I will never play another MMO except for EvE until I see some crativity happening...sticking to the same old set up is simply not doing it for me anymore, take away all the ships and stuff and even EvE at its core has the same MMO set up as most except for stuff like the training method which is great (designed for more layed back players and hardcore players)
Also a great thing about EvE is there is no moulded proffessions, you really can "carve out" your own proffession in the gamewhich I think gives you the feeling of freedom, it's a great design.....so I'm waiting for that spark. until then EvE is my game and by the looks of things this may be the last MMO I play....
But this is just my opionion....^.^
Please reread your post and then tell me you have not riddled your own words with contradiction.
You dislike the same old set up, play eve because of this but then say that under the paint eve is the same old set up? Thats fine, it's your opinion, and EvE is a great game. EvE is also a game of elitists, if you can't join a corp thats in an alliance thats in 0.0 you are stuck in empire and being ganked in low. ---- my opinion ---- not played it for some time now.
It's a shame that even though you have not played or experienced anything in WAR you proclaim that it is "same old". I had similar feelings during its development, for this reason i didn't follow it. But as I always do, I like MMOs unlike some of you by the looks of it, I bought it and tried it for myself. I am glad I did.
So anyone wanna give a gues as to when the WAR bashing threads are going to go away? Or when people consider the not cool to post anymore. I really am getting getting fed up of the constant nit picking that goes on in here. *cue lol fanboi replies*
when nit picking haters stop nit picking threads.
Like you're one to talk...you're one of the biggest nit picking haters on the whole site....no offense but its true ... the reply history to your posts over the past year proves it.
To be honest anyone coming here expecting real constructive posts, talks about what they did in game, etc etc realy has no idea what MMORPG.com is generally about. Its the big whine / cry / bitch / news site all the old school hardcore gamers who think only their way come here and attempt to rule here. Any game that isn't sandbox or have FFA PvP gets constant negative threads posted to its forum area.
People really wanting to discuss the game in a constructive manner are better off going to websites dedicated to the game. (not that there aren't flame / cry posts at other sites its just the natural way of the internet when you put thousands of people together).
i didnt make the thread smart guy. He said when will people stop nit picking i answered. If you didnt reply to a nit picker then the nit picker wouldnt reply to you the picker of the nit picker. smart up peppy
Oh I doubt the nit picking will stop any time soon. The thing is only a small percentage of people who play MMO's actually post on forms like this, most are playing the game and enjoying it for whatr it is. For a lot of them its the first MMO they have ever played, rmember that feeling?
The trouble is the more MMO's you play and the more forums you read you get more and more cynical. Then you start post and saying stuff like game x had better PvP than game Y etc. Its just a natural progression thats all. But remember out of all the people that are playing WAR now prob only 3-5% actually care what we think anyway.
i didnt make the thread smart guy. He said when will people stop nit picking i answered. If you didnt reply to a nit picker then the nit picker wouldnt reply to you the picker of the nit picker. smart up peppy
I never said you did start the thread you made a comment...I made one back that its funny you made that comment considering your reputation. rofl geez haters gotta love it.
I never said you did start the thread you made a comment...I made one back that its funny you made that comment considering your reputation. rofl geez haters gotta love it.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
I never said you did start the thread you made a comment...I made one back that its funny you made that comment considering your reputation. rofl geez haters gotta love it.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
Warning - Sarcasim alert - not a reflection of my actual opinion.
I'm glad to hear that you are not a hater. To read your posts in the forum someone might be confused on that point, and your clarification is useful. I take it you are claiming to be a defender of the people, protecting us from companies who deliver games by neglectfull lazy careless developers out to make a fast buck. I never realized, through all the fun I was having while playing Warhammer, that I was mistaken because it is a broken flawed product that no one can enjoy. I'm glad you're here to do your job of pointing out how wrong I am to enjoy playing Warhammer.
Sarcasim off.
While I agree you may not be a hater in general, all your posts in this thread have not been an insightful constructive critique of what could be done to improve Warhammer. They have been attacks on other people who say they like the game. I'm pointing out to you now in a constructive manner that whatever you think you are doing to improve the MMO community at large, your approach here is not successful. Calling devlopers names, fighting with the fans of products, nit picking here about technical specifications, ect. - none of this is helpful in producing a better product in the future.
Obviously this product is not what you want. If you really wanted to actually be useful to someone, instead of crying about how you don't like something here, why don't you head to the forums of a company with an MMO in progress, and guide them in avoiding the mistakes which are so obviously being made by every other developer in the market.
Bitching about WAR here is like being a child crying over spilt milk, it's just too late after launch to change the course of an MMO that has a design with which you don't agree. You could reasonably point out some polish issues, but there is already an in game mechanism for doing that in WAR. So the people playing the game (aka the paying customer) are going to be the only ones with a direct voice to the vendor. If you don't like the product well enought to play it, why should Mythic or any other developer take your advice on what everyone playing it wants. It's put up or shut up as far as Mythic is concerned, and I applaud the approach they are using because it allows them to focus on the actual paying customer.
So that leaves you sitting in a fan forum, stirring up trouble and doing nothing productive. If that's how you get your kicks, that's fine. I get my kicks by playing WAR, and by pointing out when people are just stirring up trouble in fan forums instead of doing something useful.
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First of all, where did I say "I play EvE because of this"?
"riddled your own words with contradiction"? How can I contradict myself here if i said "even EvE at its core has the same MMO set up as most" Key word here being "even" not to mention that I never actually said I play EvE because all MMOs are the same setup.
and lets not forget the fact that the word "riddled" suggests lots of something, here you have stated one conradiction that never actually happened which is very self deafeating I might add.
I simply said it will be last game I play because the depth of the game keeps me playing it EVEN though I know it has the same core of MMOs and for me it seems to be the only real alternative to other MMOs right now and it will be MY gravyard...
For me to say that EvE is completely different from other MMOs to justify why I play it would be foolish lol, I took an hinest approch of why I play it all I have stated here is that I think it is the most different out of all the MMOs I have seen, reviewd or played.
The only thing that makes an argument for you is if in fact I did say "I play EvE because of this" but I did not, so I do not understand where the hell you are coming from mate.
I never said you did start the thread you made a comment...I made one back that its funny you made that comment considering your reputation. rofl geez haters gotta love it.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
Warning - Sarcasim alert - not a reflection of my actual opinion.
I'm glad to hear that you are not a hater. To read your posts in the forum someone might be confused on that point, and your clarification is useful. I take it you are claiming to be a defender of the people, protecting us from companies who deliver games by neglectfull lazy careless developers out to make a fast buck. I never realized, through all the fun I was having while playing Warhammer, that I was mistaken because it is a broken flawed product that no one can enjoy. I'm glad you're here to do your job of pointing out how wrong I am to enjoy playing Warhammer.
Sarcasim off.
While I agree you may not be a hater in general, all your posts in this thread have not been an insightful constructive critique of what could be done to improve Warhammer. They have been attacks on other people who say they like the game. I'm pointing out to you now in a constructive manner that whatever you think you are doing to improve the MMO community at large, your approach here is not successful. Calling devlopers names, fighting with the fans of products, nit picking here about technical specifications, ect. - none of this is helpful in producing a better product in the future.
Obviously this product is not what you want. If you really wanted to actually be useful to someone, instead of crying about how you don't like something here, why don't you head to the forums of a company with an MMO in progress, and guide them in avoiding the mistakes which are so obviously being made by every other developer in the market.
Bitching about WAR here is like being a child crying over spilt milk, it's just too late after launch to change the course of an MMO that has a design with which you don't agree. You could reasonably point out some polish issues, but there is already an in game mechanism for doing that in WAR. So the people playing the game (aka the paying customer) are going to be the only ones with a direct voice to the vendor. If you don't like the product well enought to play it, why should Mythic or any other developer take your advice on what everyone playing it wants. It's put up or shut up as far as Mythic is concerned, and I applaud the approach they are using because it allows them to focus on the actual paying customer.
So that leaves you sitting in a fan forum, stirring up trouble and doing nothing productive. If that's how you get your kicks, that's fine. I get my kicks by playing WAR, and by pointing out when people are just stirring up trouble in fan forums instead of doing something useful.
I hope this helps.
You seem to not grasp even the most easiest of understandings.
If you and the OP want to know when the nit picking will stop, it will stop when the person hating on a nit picker stops responding to a nit picker. That was my first post in this thread. It was a true answer and a correct one. You think that if you say something to a nit picker that he is automatically going to stop the nit picking? i hope not. Now a nit picker is going to point out what the developer left out in his opinion to what the situation is. Having that said the nit picker will point out the laziness in a developer. He will have people who agree with him and he will have people who dont agree with him. Just because you dont agree doesn't make you king of the mmo world. You are a peon that pays 15 dollars a month for sub-par service but refuse to accept it. But of course your arguement will be well you cant please everyone which of course brings us back to what this is all about. Nit picking. Nit pickers want to nit pick, doesn't mean they wont play just means this is the little things that frustrate them and therefore nit pick. So if you just ignore a nit picker the nit picking will stop because he will not have a audience to cater to him/her. Which brings us back to the answer to the OP's thread. A nitpicker Will Stop when a Hater of the nit picker stops talking and ignores the nit picker.
Originally posted by DeadlyByDez So anyone wanna give a gues as to when the WAR bashing threads are going to go away? Or when people consider the not cool to post anymore. I really am getting getting fed up of the constant nit picking that goes on in here. *cue lol fanboi replies*
As long as a game doesn't deliver entertainment to an individual, that individual will have something negative to say.
Once a game caters to everybody then nobody will dislike it. How hard is that to grasp?
The obvious problem here is that one game could propably not satisfy all gamers in the world so the only real option to have no negative posts about a game is to close the game servers. And even that would be whined about for a couple of months. People have whined about the NGE change in Star Wars Galaxies for YEARS now.
Also remember that what one considers a minor element of no real concern another gamer would consider game-breaking and impossible to ignore in their gaming, ie it would ruin their fun. So "nit-picking" is just as subjective as anything else you would label a game with.
I dislike Warhammer for its lack of Character Customization. Is that nit-picking? For some perhaps, for me it means I'm very quickly completely disinterested in my Character since it isn't MY character, it is just Generic Witch Elf, Path 1.
You might not think this an issue at all and I respect that, but it won't make me like the game more. When another poster then makes a post asking if anyone else has renewed their subscription I state that I haven't. Is that what you mean by nit-picking?
Or do you, when all is said and done, simply equate the label of "nit-picking" with "anyone not sharing my opinion"? Because then the problem lies with you and not with the other posters.
I would guesstimate, that the nitpicking dies out once WAR fans stop nitpicking other games....
Ya know, like claiming WAR to be the next messiah of MMORPG's, and telling other MMORPG players that they be stoopid.... Ofcourse, it also helps that a "new" bling bling game comes along... Just look at AoC.. The bitching by the "bling" crowd nearly died out, and only the haterz(tm) remain.
Nah... the title of "Messiah of MMOs" is revoked as soon as the game is released. It then is passed on to the next up-coming MMO or x-pac that's going to save and revolutionize the genre, sell millions of copies and kill WoW.
Just look around at what's upcoming... I won't name names 'cause those evaneglizing them do a plenty good job of that and I'm not here to give free marketing. In each case, its faithful followers are scouring other MMO forums declaring that the game the forums are for sucks and that "their game" is going to blow it out of the water.
It's a never ending cycle.
In recent years, every MMO that comes out is "dying" or "failed" before it's hardly had a chance to make it to the retail shelf (though in fairness, that is literally the case with some). Why? Because the individuals saying so personally didn't like it. And of course, if one doesn't like a game, it *must* mean that it sucks and those who do claim to like it are either lying, are on the company's payroll, or are too dumb to know better (see bodypass's posts in these threads, for example)...
The race to be the first to bash a game has gotten to the point where it almost rivals the race to level cap as soon as the game or expansion is launched. This is obvious when you see how people in *beta* are calling the game a failure because they're finding bugs... which is, of course, the point of being in beta (of course, they see it as a free preview). But don't tell them that.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Allow me to clarify by what I mean by “nit picking” and more so..
Nit picking to me at the moment ( and under if I was under duress I would have to say may be the wrong choice of words has been used here), is the constant stream of type written excrement. I refer to the constant “quit war today”, “or found X or Y Bug…Games dead”. I was reading one post this morning where one poster had claimed that the release of the next patch was “too late to save the game”….It has been out two weeks. Or there was another one who was claiming that just because he felt that his x amount of damage from his chosen class was enough to warrant the game a failure.
I guess in closing I am speaking to all the would be nay sayers that proverbially “blow their wad early”in doomsaying the game before it has a chance to settle. Constructive criticism I have no problem with, we are all entitled to that.
Warning - Sarcasim alert - not a reflection of my actual opinion. I'm glad to hear that you are not a hater. To read your posts in the forum someone might be confused on that point, and your clarification is useful. I take it you are claiming to be a defender of the people, protecting us from companies who deliver games by neglectfull lazy careless developers out to make a fast buck. I never realized, through all the fun I was having while playing Warhammer, that I was mistaken because it is a broken flawed product that no one can enjoy. I'm glad you're here to do your job of pointing out how wrong I am to enjoy playing Warhammer. Sarcasim off. While I agree you may not be a hater in general, all your posts in this thread have not been an insightful constructive critique of what could be done to improve Warhammer. They have been attacks on other people who say they like the game. I'm pointing out to you now in a constructive manner that whatever you think you are doing to improve the MMO community at large, your approach here is not successful. Calling devlopers names, fighting with the fans of products, nit picking here about technical specifications, ect. - none of this is helpful in producing a better product in the future. Obviously this product is not what you want. If you really wanted to actually be useful to someone, instead of crying about how you don't like something here, why don't you head to the forums of a company with an MMO in progress, and guide them in avoiding the mistakes which are so obviously being made by every other developer in the market. Bitching about WAR here is like being a child crying over spilt milk, it's just too late after launch to change the course of an MMO that has a design with which you don't agree. You could reasonably point out some polish issues, but there is already an in game mechanism for doing that in WAR. So the people playing the game (aka the paying customer) are going to be the only ones with a direct voice to the vendor. If you don't like the product well enought to play it, why should Mythic or any other developer take your advice on what everyone playing it wants. It's put up or shut up as far as Mythic is concerned, and I applaud the approach they are using because it allows them to focus on the actual paying customer. So that leaves you sitting in a fan forum, stirring up trouble and doing nothing productive. If that's how you get your kicks, that's fine. I get my kicks by playing WAR, and by pointing out when people are just stirring up trouble in fan forums instead of doing something useful. I hope this helps.
You seem to not grasp even the most easiest of understandings.
If you and the OP want to know when the nit picking will stop, it will stop when the person hating on a nit picker stops responding to a nit picker. That was my first post in this thread. It was a true answer and a correct one. You think that if you say something to a nit picker that he is automatically going to stop the nit picking? i hope not. Now a nit picker is going to point out what the developer left out in his opinion to what the situation is. Having that said the nit picker will point out the laziness in a developer. He will have people who agree with him and he will have people who dont agree with him. Just because you dont agree doesn't make you king of the mmo world. You are a peon that pays 15 dollars a month for sub-par service but refuse to accept it. But of course your arguement will be well you cant please everyone which of course brings us back to what this is all about. Nit picking. Nit pickers want to nit pick, doesn't mean they wont play just means this is the little things that frustrate them and therefore nit pick. So if you just ignore a nit picker the nit picking will stop because he will not have a audience to cater to him/her. Which brings us back to the answer to the OP's thread. A nitpicker Will Stop when a Hater of the nit picker stops talking and ignores the nit picker.
You are correct I don't futilely grasp at the "easiest of understandings". The reason is that the "easiest of understandings" is quite frequently not the most successful answer. If the good things in life always came easily to everyone, we would all be playing the "MMORPG to rule them all" by now which would be able to satisfy every potential player's desires. There would be no conflict in the world, and everyone would be wealthy and satisfied with their lives.
Let's return to reality now. There is no such thing as a perfect game for everyone! There will always be something about a particular game to which someone will take exception. This is not because of "sub-par" products, or lazy developers. This is because of spoiled people who think that because they have an opinion, the whole world should run the way they think is "right".
I certainly believe people should have opinions. I also believe there are applicable productive ways to express an opinion, and there are negativist defeatist ways to express an opinion. Nitpicking about trivial details, and expanding them into "Horrible Game - This Suxors - Worst Game Ever Made" are patently spoiled child level exaggerations when they are only backed by subjective evaluations based on personal preferences.
Your proposed solution is to "ignore" the pesky negativist, and hope he moves on to bother someone else. That solution will work, at the cost of the death of a forum community. The majority of the negativists will hang on far longer than the productive forum members are willing to tolerate their presence. If left unchallenged they will continue spamming threads and spewing their negativist opinions until those people who desire rational discourse give up and leave.
The other solution people frequently take is to counter argue with the negativist on their own terms. This usually degenerates into a futile name calling match between the "troll" and the "fanboy" which also drives rational discourse from a community, and leaves a dieing communty which is a playground of the polar extremists.
Then there is my approach, which many people may rightfully call futile as well. Engaging the extreme dialog on my own terms, in a rational debate of behavior instead of product. I attempt to challenge people to think beyond their narrow self centered world view, and accept that different points of view may also have a level of validity if the people are discussing issues in an manner unencumbered by personal bias and preconception. That is the hard path to take, because many people are just not up to the challenge of stepping beyond their personal world view and biases. I frankly fail more often than I succeed, but when I succeed it certainly makes it worth while.
As far as negativists being negativists that is true, there will always be something that most people like, that someone else will hate because they have a personal need to dwell within their negativist mindset. You show them an Apple, and they assume there must be a worm inside. You show them an Orange, and they think it has to be too sour. Ignoring them doesn't stop them. Claiming the Apple and Orange are good has them calling you a fool. Challenging their behavior, their motivations and their world view, that gives them pause. After that they either go away, or address you on your terms, and the rational discussion can begin.
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When evaluating forum posts, it's quality not quantity,
and just because somebody says something negative doesn't mean others will believe what they are saying. For example, compare the negative posts in WAR with the negative posts in AoC. AoC would have posts about huge advertised features not being present or major game-breaking bugs or loading-screens everywhere. Things that ultimately discouraged me from buying it.
Now the negative stuff on WAR is just: i'm bored and WAR doesn't satisfy or things like that. More subjective opinions; which frankly don't convince or influence purchase decisions that much. So i bought a copy, my sons enjoyed it... we've ended up with 3 accounts. It's smooth, no major bugs of the sort that stop us from playing, it has a LOT of gameplay and different kinds of things to do.... it's fun. Probably the best mix of pve and pvp I've seen in an mmo in years. (aside: it's the gameplay I was wanting to see in WoW instead of just 10 more levels of the same thing with new items).
Negative comments will NEVER stop. I don't want them to. The overall subjectivity in the negative posts speaks volumes of positive for the game imo.
War bashing will never go away. No matter how good a game is or if the devs put in everything people want in a game they will still complain, its just human nature.
I have to agree that the subjectivity of the majority of negativism makes a fairly convincing case that someone either likes the product that WAR is, or they wished that WAR was something it is not. I've seen very little objective complaints about WAR beyond the fact that 4 capturable cities and 4 classes were dropped from the initial game design concept pre-launch. The majority of the rest of the complaints have nothing to do with playability, missing features, or fun, but a subjective evaluation of WAR based on of the kind of game a particular player prefers.
Since I'm having fun playing WAR, I could care less that someone else prefers a more sandbox style game experience, while another player prefers a more console style game experience, etc.. WAR was not made to be everyone's kind of game, read the design concept information available on Mythic's site, and you can see what the Mythic developers and the EA marketing people think the game is about. They have been pretty straight forward about the kind of game WAR is, and I have not seen them claiming it is revolutionary in game play or cutting edge in execution. It's fine that people have personal preferences that lead them to dislike WAR for whatever reason, but why do they assume that every product on the market has to statisfy their personal gaming preferences or else it's horrible, bad, suxors, etc.. There is a difference between a game which is broken and unplayable by the majority of people, and a game which just might not be someone's cup of tea. In my mind WAR falls solidly into the second category.
I hope this helps.
when nit picking haters stop nit picking threads.
Like you're one to talk...you're one of the biggest nit picking haters on the whole site....no offense but its true ... the reply history to your posts over the past year proves it.
To be honest anyone coming here expecting real constructive posts, talks about what they did in game, etc etc realy has no idea what MMORPG.com is generally about. Its the big whine / cry / bitch / news site all the old school hardcore gamers who think only their way come here and attempt to rule here. Any game that isn't sandbox or have FFA PvP gets constant negative threads posted to its forum area.
People really wanting to discuss the game in a constructive manner are better off going to websites dedicated to the game. (not that there aren't flame / cry posts at other sites its just the natural way of the internet when you put thousands of people together).
exactly! I wish more people could understand this concept.
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People will stop nit picking newly released MMOs when an MMO that is actually good enough to look past the nit picking is released. But when mediocre clones get released left and right, they are going to nit pick the differences and flaws between the cloner and the clonee.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
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Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
See point proven about the hardcores...they attempt to believe their way is the only way. Shame really that they can't just enjoy something for what it is instead of what they think it should be. If youd ont like something just move on there's no real point in whining about it when its obvious there are people who do like it.
Lets be honest about this, Warhammer is nothing new. personally I have not played the game but from reviews and watching clips of the game it's just the same old MMO, granted the graphics and the depth of the game may be better but this is expected from newer games but the basic setup is the same as all the others games out there.
I am now playing EvE after playing countless other MMOs and it has to be said, I think EvE is the MMO gravyard of MMO players, like the place you go do die
EvE has a depth I have never seen, it's a layed back game with mostly adults playing it...I will never play another MMO except for EvE until I see some crativity happening...sticking to the same old set up is simply not doing it for me anymore, take away all the ships and stuff and even EvE at its core has the same MMO set up as most except for stuff like the training method which is great (designed for more layed back players and hardcore players)
Also a great thing about EvE is there is no moulded proffessions, you really can "carve out" your own proffession in the gamewhich I think gives you the feeling of freedom, it's a great design.....so I'm waiting for that spark. until then EvE is my game and by the looks of things this may be the last MMO I play....
But this is just my opionion....^.^
Please reread your post and then tell me you have not riddled your own words with contradiction.
You dislike the same old set up, play eve because of this but then say that under the paint eve is the same old set up? Thats fine, it's your opinion, and EvE is a great game. EvE is also a game of elitists, if you can't join a corp thats in an alliance thats in 0.0 you are stuck in empire and being ganked in low. ---- my opinion ---- not played it for some time now.
It's a shame that even though you have not played or experienced anything in WAR you proclaim that it is "same old". I had similar feelings during its development, for this reason i didn't follow it. But as I always do, I like MMOs unlike some of you by the looks of it, I bought it and tried it for myself. I am glad I did.
when nit picking haters stop nit picking threads.
Like you're one to talk...you're one of the biggest nit picking haters on the whole site....no offense but its true ... the reply history to your posts over the past year proves it.
To be honest anyone coming here expecting real constructive posts, talks about what they did in game, etc etc realy has no idea what MMORPG.com is generally about. Its the big whine / cry / bitch / news site all the old school hardcore gamers who think only their way come here and attempt to rule here. Any game that isn't sandbox or have FFA PvP gets constant negative threads posted to its forum area.
People really wanting to discuss the game in a constructive manner are better off going to websites dedicated to the game. (not that there aren't flame / cry posts at other sites its just the natural way of the internet when you put thousands of people together).
i didnt make the thread smart guy. He said when will people stop nit picking i answered. If you didnt reply to a nit picker then the nit picker wouldnt reply to you the picker of the nit picker. smart up peppy
Oh I doubt the nit picking will stop any time soon. The thing is only a small percentage of people who play MMO's actually post on forms like this, most are playing the game and enjoying it for whatr it is. For a lot of them its the first MMO they have ever played, rmember that feeling?
The trouble is the more MMO's you play and the more forums you read you get more and more cynical. Then you start post and saying stuff like game x had better PvP than game Y etc. Its just a natural progression thats all. But remember out of all the people that are playing WAR now prob only 3-5% actually care what we think anyway.
I never said you did start the thread you made a comment...I made one back that its funny you made that comment considering your reputation. rofl geez haters gotta love it.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
Warning - Sarcasim alert - not a reflection of my actual opinion.
I'm glad to hear that you are not a hater. To read your posts in the forum someone might be confused on that point, and your clarification is useful. I take it you are claiming to be a defender of the people, protecting us from companies who deliver games by neglectfull lazy careless developers out to make a fast buck. I never realized, through all the fun I was having while playing Warhammer, that I was mistaken because it is a broken flawed product that no one can enjoy. I'm glad you're here to do your job of pointing out how wrong I am to enjoy playing Warhammer.
Sarcasim off.
While I agree you may not be a hater in general, all your posts in this thread have not been an insightful constructive critique of what could be done to improve Warhammer. They have been attacks on other people who say they like the game. I'm pointing out to you now in a constructive manner that whatever you think you are doing to improve the MMO community at large, your approach here is not successful. Calling devlopers names, fighting with the fans of products, nit picking here about technical specifications, ect. - none of this is helpful in producing a better product in the future.
Obviously this product is not what you want. If you really wanted to actually be useful to someone, instead of crying about how you don't like something here, why don't you head to the forums of a company with an MMO in progress, and guide them in avoiding the mistakes which are so obviously being made by every other developer in the market.
Bitching about WAR here is like being a child crying over spilt milk, it's just too late after launch to change the course of an MMO that has a design with which you don't agree. You could reasonably point out some polish issues, but there is already an in game mechanism for doing that in WAR. So the people playing the game (aka the paying customer) are going to be the only ones with a direct voice to the vendor. If you don't like the product well enought to play it, why should Mythic or any other developer take your advice on what everyone playing it wants. It's put up or shut up as far as Mythic is concerned, and I applaud the approach they are using because it allows them to focus on the actual paying customer.
So that leaves you sitting in a fan forum, stirring up trouble and doing nothing productive. If that's how you get your kicks, that's fine. I get my kicks by playing WAR, and by pointing out when people are just stirring up trouble in fan forums instead of doing something useful.
I hope this helps.
I wont nit-pick any more.
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First of all, where did I say "I play EvE because of this"?
"riddled your own words with contradiction"? How can I contradict myself here if i said "even EvE at its core has the same MMO set up as most" Key word here being "even" not to mention that I never actually said I play EvE because all MMOs are the same setup.
and lets not forget the fact that the word "riddled" suggests lots of something, here you have stated one conradiction that never actually happened which is very self deafeating I might add.
I simply said it will be last game I play because the depth of the game keeps me playing it EVEN though I know it has the same core of MMOs and for me it seems to be the only real alternative to other MMOs right now and it will be MY gravyard...
For me to say that EvE is completely different from other MMOs to justify why I play it would be foolish lol, I took an hinest approch of why I play it all I have stated here is that I think it is the most different out of all the MMOs I have seen, reviewd or played.
The only thing that makes an argument for you is if in fact I did say "I play EvE because of this" but I did not, so I do not understand where the hell you are coming from mate.
Hope you understand this.
Nathan.
Im not a hater i point out real issues that are neglected by careless developers because they are lazy and want to make the fast buck rather then polish a game. Yeah nothings going to launch perfect but if you dont do your jobs people are going to point it out.
Warning - Sarcasim alert - not a reflection of my actual opinion.
I'm glad to hear that you are not a hater. To read your posts in the forum someone might be confused on that point, and your clarification is useful. I take it you are claiming to be a defender of the people, protecting us from companies who deliver games by neglectfull lazy careless developers out to make a fast buck. I never realized, through all the fun I was having while playing Warhammer, that I was mistaken because it is a broken flawed product that no one can enjoy. I'm glad you're here to do your job of pointing out how wrong I am to enjoy playing Warhammer.
Sarcasim off.
While I agree you may not be a hater in general, all your posts in this thread have not been an insightful constructive critique of what could be done to improve Warhammer. They have been attacks on other people who say they like the game. I'm pointing out to you now in a constructive manner that whatever you think you are doing to improve the MMO community at large, your approach here is not successful. Calling devlopers names, fighting with the fans of products, nit picking here about technical specifications, ect. - none of this is helpful in producing a better product in the future.
Obviously this product is not what you want. If you really wanted to actually be useful to someone, instead of crying about how you don't like something here, why don't you head to the forums of a company with an MMO in progress, and guide them in avoiding the mistakes which are so obviously being made by every other developer in the market.
Bitching about WAR here is like being a child crying over spilt milk, it's just too late after launch to change the course of an MMO that has a design with which you don't agree. You could reasonably point out some polish issues, but there is already an in game mechanism for doing that in WAR. So the people playing the game (aka the paying customer) are going to be the only ones with a direct voice to the vendor. If you don't like the product well enought to play it, why should Mythic or any other developer take your advice on what everyone playing it wants. It's put up or shut up as far as Mythic is concerned, and I applaud the approach they are using because it allows them to focus on the actual paying customer.
So that leaves you sitting in a fan forum, stirring up trouble and doing nothing productive. If that's how you get your kicks, that's fine. I get my kicks by playing WAR, and by pointing out when people are just stirring up trouble in fan forums instead of doing something useful.
I hope this helps.
You seem to not grasp even the most easiest of understandings.
If you and the OP want to know when the nit picking will stop, it will stop when the person hating on a nit picker stops responding to a nit picker. That was my first post in this thread. It was a true answer and a correct one. You think that if you say something to a nit picker that he is automatically going to stop the nit picking? i hope not. Now a nit picker is going to point out what the developer left out in his opinion to what the situation is. Having that said the nit picker will point out the laziness in a developer. He will have people who agree with him and he will have people who dont agree with him. Just because you dont agree doesn't make you king of the mmo world. You are a peon that pays 15 dollars a month for sub-par service but refuse to accept it. But of course your arguement will be well you cant please everyone which of course brings us back to what this is all about. Nit picking. Nit pickers want to nit pick, doesn't mean they wont play just means this is the little things that frustrate them and therefore nit pick. So if you just ignore a nit picker the nit picking will stop because he will not have a audience to cater to him/her. Which brings us back to the answer to the OP's thread. A nitpicker Will Stop when a Hater of the nit picker stops talking and ignores the nit picker.
Surley this is a better thread than a cdkey spam thread, i bet it would look much nicer bumped above all those other spam threads.
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Once a game caters to everybody then nobody will dislike it. How hard is that to grasp?
The obvious problem here is that one game could propably not satisfy all gamers in the world so the only real option to have no negative posts about a game is to close the game servers. And even that would be whined about for a couple of months. People have whined about the NGE change in Star Wars Galaxies for YEARS now.
Also remember that what one considers a minor element of no real concern another gamer would consider game-breaking and impossible to ignore in their gaming, ie it would ruin their fun. So "nit-picking" is just as subjective as anything else you would label a game with.
I dislike Warhammer for its lack of Character Customization. Is that nit-picking? For some perhaps, for me it means I'm very quickly completely disinterested in my Character since it isn't MY character, it is just Generic Witch Elf, Path 1.
You might not think this an issue at all and I respect that, but it won't make me like the game more. When another poster then makes a post asking if anyone else has renewed their subscription I state that I haven't. Is that what you mean by nit-picking?
Or do you, when all is said and done, simply equate the label of "nit-picking" with "anyone not sharing my opinion"? Because then the problem lies with you and not with the other posters.
Nah... the title of "Messiah of MMOs" is revoked as soon as the game is released. It then is passed on to the next up-coming MMO or x-pac that's going to save and revolutionize the genre, sell millions of copies and kill WoW.
Just look around at what's upcoming... I won't name names 'cause those evaneglizing them do a plenty good job of that and I'm not here to give free marketing. In each case, its faithful followers are scouring other MMO forums declaring that the game the forums are for sucks and that "their game" is going to blow it out of the water.
It's a never ending cycle.
In recent years, every MMO that comes out is "dying" or "failed" before it's hardly had a chance to make it to the retail shelf (though in fairness, that is literally the case with some). Why? Because the individuals saying so personally didn't like it. And of course, if one doesn't like a game, it *must* mean that it sucks and those who do claim to like it are either lying, are on the company's payroll, or are too dumb to know better (see bodypass's posts in these threads, for example)...
The race to be the first to bash a game has gotten to the point where it almost rivals the race to level cap as soon as the game or expansion is launched. This is obvious when you see how people in *beta* are calling the game a failure because they're finding bugs... which is, of course, the point of being in beta (of course, they see it as a free preview). But don't tell them that.
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Allow me to clarify by what I mean by “nit picking” and more so..
Nit picking to me at the moment ( and under if I was under duress I would have to say may be the wrong choice of words has been used here), is the constant stream of type written excrement. I refer to the constant “quit war today”, “or found X or Y Bug…Games dead”. I was reading one post this morning where one poster had claimed that the release of the next patch was “too late to save the game”….It has been out two weeks. Or there was another one who was claiming that just because he felt that his x amount of damage from his chosen class was enough to warrant the game a failure.
I guess in closing I am speaking to all the would be nay sayers that proverbially “blow their wad early”in doomsaying the game before it has a chance to settle. Constructive criticism I have no problem with, we are all entitled to that.
They are MMO gamers, what did you expect?
You seem to not grasp even the most easiest of understandings.
If you and the OP want to know when the nit picking will stop, it will stop when the person hating on a nit picker stops responding to a nit picker. That was my first post in this thread. It was a true answer and a correct one. You think that if you say something to a nit picker that he is automatically going to stop the nit picking? i hope not. Now a nit picker is going to point out what the developer left out in his opinion to what the situation is. Having that said the nit picker will point out the laziness in a developer. He will have people who agree with him and he will have people who dont agree with him. Just because you dont agree doesn't make you king of the mmo world. You are a peon that pays 15 dollars a month for sub-par service but refuse to accept it. But of course your arguement will be well you cant please everyone which of course brings us back to what this is all about. Nit picking. Nit pickers want to nit pick, doesn't mean they wont play just means this is the little things that frustrate them and therefore nit pick. So if you just ignore a nit picker the nit picking will stop because he will not have a audience to cater to him/her. Which brings us back to the answer to the OP's thread. A nitpicker Will Stop when a Hater of the nit picker stops talking and ignores the nit picker.
You are correct I don't futilely grasp at the "easiest of understandings". The reason is that the "easiest of understandings" is quite frequently not the most successful answer. If the good things in life always came easily to everyone, we would all be playing the "MMORPG to rule them all" by now which would be able to satisfy every potential player's desires. There would be no conflict in the world, and everyone would be wealthy and satisfied with their lives.
Let's return to reality now. There is no such thing as a perfect game for everyone! There will always be something about a particular game to which someone will take exception. This is not because of "sub-par" products, or lazy developers. This is because of spoiled people who think that because they have an opinion, the whole world should run the way they think is "right".
I certainly believe people should have opinions. I also believe there are applicable productive ways to express an opinion, and there are negativist defeatist ways to express an opinion. Nitpicking about trivial details, and expanding them into "Horrible Game - This Suxors - Worst Game Ever Made" are patently spoiled child level exaggerations when they are only backed by subjective evaluations based on personal preferences.
Your proposed solution is to "ignore" the pesky negativist, and hope he moves on to bother someone else. That solution will work, at the cost of the death of a forum community. The majority of the negativists will hang on far longer than the productive forum members are willing to tolerate their presence. If left unchallenged they will continue spamming threads and spewing their negativist opinions until those people who desire rational discourse give up and leave.
The other solution people frequently take is to counter argue with the negativist on their own terms. This usually degenerates into a futile name calling match between the "troll" and the "fanboy" which also drives rational discourse from a community, and leaves a dieing communty which is a playground of the polar extremists.
Then there is my approach, which many people may rightfully call futile as well. Engaging the extreme dialog on my own terms, in a rational debate of behavior instead of product. I attempt to challenge people to think beyond their narrow self centered world view, and accept that different points of view may also have a level of validity if the people are discussing issues in an manner unencumbered by personal bias and preconception. That is the hard path to take, because many people are just not up to the challenge of stepping beyond their personal world view and biases. I frankly fail more often than I succeed, but when I succeed it certainly makes it worth while.
As far as negativists being negativists that is true, there will always be something that most people like, that someone else will hate because they have a personal need to dwell within their negativist mindset. You show them an Apple, and they assume there must be a worm inside. You show them an Orange, and they think it has to be too sour. Ignoring them doesn't stop them. Claiming the Apple and Orange are good has them calling you a fool. Challenging their behavior, their motivations and their world view, that gives them pause. After that they either go away, or address you on your terms, and the rational discussion can begin.
I hope this helps.