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MMORPG's are "pointless?"
geetornsage
Member Posts: 40
People are hating on War because they find it "pointless"; uhhh what online game isn't pointless? Point being (lol) that games are for fun...that's the point. You aren't gaining anything of value by un-corking 4 billion more bottles of whogivesashit than everyone else excepting that you now have more sh!t.
Are you collecting wolf pelts? Life is short. Hit the power button, spin the chair around, wipe the drool off your chin and go outside for the first time in 4 years. (Also change that rediculous shirt you keep wearing.)
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I am gonna put aside your obviously baiting tone and try to answer you anyhow.
You don't get it.
Thats fine, why should you? You are a victim of the zeitgeist of fashionable VC led games design.
The games you have been fed, the 'next gen' mmorpgs, are broken and, indeed, pointless.
Fun is subjective. Don't knock other peoples idea of it, because your idea of it is just as stupid.
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I got scared reading that and had to check around where you put your webcam spying on me
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
So what game are you playing now that has a point? I'm dying to know.
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
So what game are you playing now that has a point? I'm dying to know.
Eve.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Since this is mostly an MMO site..
MMO's probably are pointless if you are always by yourself.. or want to solo everything and never interact with people.
The only thing MMO's offer over any other game is social interaction. Generally if there is no community within a game it doesn't do very well for very long.
WAR has been an odd one for me... people seem to hardly ever communicate. I mean I've worked with a lot of other people toward something (PQ, scenario or Fort take/defense). Its just that there is very little interaction... In DAoC I was usually on vent listenting to some guy eating doritos..
It was irritating at the time.. but I am starting to miss it atm.
Oh and as to whether a game is pointless or not... You can make the same general statement about real life... you more or less do the same repetitive actions every day for what? uber loot? a house? a paycheck?
Then you die and someone takes your stuff..
They are what you make them be... and if its not enjoyable or has no point.. its probably a sign of something.
Ummm.....
You do realize that your actions in WAR have a direct impact, specifically on the game world, right?
Your participation in RvR Scenarios, RvR Battlefields and public quests all directly effect the game world.
And in RvR Battlefields, your actions directly impact whether or not you have access to certain content, and more specifically certain vendors.
Now if what you are saying is that you, and you alone cannot change the game for the other 2k people on your server....sorry, I guess WAR would be pointless. In this game you have to work as a cohesive team to make the broad changes. If you want to change the game for everyone else by your actions and your actions alone, you should start developing your 'I AM GOD' mmo.
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
I'm sure you're referring to SWG here, which I'd agree it had great incentives to keep you playing. However there was no more point in that game than there is in WAR. Meaning each has their own objective in how they provide engagement. In SWG the point was on a social level in, WAR on the other hand wants you to join the ranks and engage in a war.
As for impact, each design offers it in some form. WAR has global impact, SWG has individual impact. You seem to crave impact on an individual level. Therefor EVE is your best shot for that (legitimately of course). War on the other hand is definitely not your cup of tea.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
Exactly how I feel. I see Destruction ruling the realm and I am like..so freakin what! It has no bearing on me or anything I do and the scenarios albeit great idea and fun a few times around are also pointless because they don't affect anything. Tabula Rasa had a point even, lose a control base and it would affect your gameplay so you want to get it back. Besides seeing absolutely no one participating in RvR on my server there is no strong pull to participate so everyone plays mindless scenarios for easy xp and grind. So as the above post quite rightly stated, a game needs to have a point and some thing a player does affects the game in some way.
I wouldn't have brought this up - if you hadn't stressed it as what you believe to be Eve's strong point:
* Wikipedia, scroll to 'Public perception'
* Kotaku
* Escapist
* Slashdot
I like WAR, in general, but I'm going to agree here. I think that there could be more meat added into the world pvp, to make it more pertinent. When a keep is lost, it should NEVER be a "so what?" deal. It should sting. It should BURN. You should feel it in your gut like a punch. It should directly impact the gameplay of everyone on the side that lost, and drive them to do better next time.
That's "gameplay with a point".
I don't mean that it needs to be on the level of say, Shadowbane - not everyone enjoys their play to be as intense and consuming as it was in that game! Loss there was EVERYTHING - game over, or darn close. But I'd still like to see some more oomph added to the world RvR end of things.
Owyn
Commander, Defenders of Order
http://www.defendersoforder.com
Ummm......
If you are Order, and Destruction is ruling the realm then you don't have access to your renown vendors which is an important vendor for upgrading your equipment. And that's just in Tier 2. I believe the incentive for realm control becomes greater in 3 and 4. I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me, but I think realm control also impacts content available to you in the upper tiers.
Remember, also, you are on a team, in a playing field. Your thrill is suppose to be the same thrill from winning a basketball game or a match of chess. But just think, in sports or board games, if you win, you don't get more powerful for the next round and in WAR you do.
People seem to think the only rewards of mmo's are loot. In fact, in this game, you are suppose to be having your fun through competition against your opposing realm. If that type of fun doesn't float your boat, I'm not sure why you are playing the game. That's like going to a football game and being disappointed it isn't basketball.
So not being able to access your renown vendors and thus upgrade your gear isn't enough?
When I went from Tier 1 to Tier 2, Order had control of all our keeps. And I was fighting scenarios and pve with Tier 1 gear for hours. I got frustrated, started a Warband and took them back over. Had more fun than any raid I've ever been in and my reward was upgrading my equipment.
It directly impacts the gameplay of everyone on the side that lost, because, no one had access to their tier2 renown vendors until Destruction organized and re-took the field. And to me, access to better equipment is a pretty big incentive.
Stop trying to play WoW while in WAR. Participate in the WAR and you will see the central objective of this game.
Everything Is pointless.
Were born, we live(wasting time),then we die leaving children to do the same stuff (if your lucky).
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I wouldn't have brought this up - if you hadn't stressed it as what you believe to be Eve's strong point:
* Wikipedia, scroll to 'Public perception'
* Kotaku
* Escapist
* Slashdot
How can that be bad?
That kind of fiendish behavior is what adds life to games.
That's excitement, that's emergent gameplay, that's what gives games a soul, without the potential for scandals and the unexpected mmorpgs are boring.
Even wow had things like that occasionally, look at infected blood occurrence or the "We summon people off cliffs" video.
We need more games with greater potential for this not yawnfests.
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
So what game are you playing now that has a point? I'm dying to know.
Eve.
He asked for a game that has a point......a long-term goal, something that can be achieved that goes beyond leveling, acquisition of wealth, dominance of an erea or whatever. I like EVE......I played it for quite a while but there really isnt any huge point to it. You kill players and take over areas of space......but why? Reason = there is nothing else to do as there is no real objective in the game. People do it though because its fun to feel a part of something even if that "something" is ultimately irrelevant.
The point the OP was making is that people are saying that there is no point of the war in Warhammer and yet the same applies to any other online game. The only thing that matters is if the "pointlessness" is actually fun or not.
very subjective...
What in life truly has a "point" other than the fact we are all living beings? We do not know what a "meaningful" task is except for what we have been taught and have learned for ourselves over the years. I'm not knocking you for the thread because I feel that somewhere you are making a very valid statement, but in the end to each their own. "Points" can be made on every subject in every facet of the living universe, whether you choose to make a point out of the space around you is your business as a human being..
Not to change the subject, but to make a "point"... I find religion "pointless"...
Should that matter to you? No it should not , and if it does what could you ever do about it? Exactly, not even worth writing a thread about really..
This concludes my psuedo-intellectual forum rant.
Games, from a certain perspective, are pointless. But there is a difference between a pointless hobby, and a pointless game. Nobody claims that games save lives, or anything like that. But I like, when I play a game, for it to have a point. For myself to have an impact on the game world. What I do actually has an effect on something. In that aspect, WAR is pointless.
So what game are you playing now that has a point? I'm dying to know.
Eve.
He asked for a game that has a point......a long-term goal, something that can be achieved that goes beyond leveling, acquisition of wealth, dominance of an erea or whatever. I like EVE......I played it for quite a while but there really isnt any huge point to it. You kill players and take over areas of space......but why? Reason = there is nothing else to do as there is no real objective in the game. People do it though because its fun to feel a part of something even if that "something" is ultimately irrelevant.
The point the OP was making is that people are saying that there is no point of the war in Warhammer and yet the same applies to any other online game. The only thing that matters is if the "pointlessness" is actually fun or not.
The point in Eve is much like the point, or goals, of life. Wealth, conquest, and control. Don't know how much more of a point you can put into a game.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I am gonna put aside your obviously baiting tone and try to answer you anyhow.
You don't get it.
Thats fine, why should you? You are a victim of the zeitgeist of fashionable VC led games design.
The games you have been fed, the 'next gen' mmorpgs, are broken and, indeed, pointless.
Fun is subjective. Don't knock other peoples idea of it, because your idea of it is just as stupid.
From the same bloke who devoted a page telling us how crap WAR is.. Fun is subje....oh yeh, you know that offcourse.
While you may not have ridiculed anyone for playing WAR, you painstakingly picked apart every aspect of the game, that some find fun, and explained why it IS a sad reflection of the state of genre.
No it's not...
Lets say I just bought my tier 2 stuff and I leave I see the other side attacking at the same time as I can join easy exp set battles. There should be a reason for me to try to defend even after I got my vendor loot.
Anything more then I can't buy my loot would be a better reason, change in the amount of renown I get based on number of keeps my side has, or how many/well equiped npc guards my side has, etc...
Then keeps would have a point.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
No it's not...
Lets say I just bought my tier 2 stuff and I leave I see the other side attacking at the same time as I can join easy exp set battles. There should be a reason for me to try to defend even after I got my vendor loot.
Anything more then I can't buy my loot would be a better reason, change in the amount of renown I get based on number of keeps my side has, or how many/well equiped npc guards my side has, etc...
Then keeps would have a point.
Ok how bout after GR14 and the keep belongs to your guild?
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You couldn't be more right. So games with endless craft-grinding and raiding have more of a "point"? Give me a break, n00bs.
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.
It's painfully obvious that you didn't play the old MMOs.
All games is pointless, so is movies and drinking.
Unless you would say that the point is to have fun.
To all the EVE trolls coming over here with their holier-than-thou "EVE has a point" attitude....
What is that point exactly?
I respect EVE and think its a great game but just not for me... I played its trial and left precisely because I found it pointless.
What is this Grand Purpose that EVE supposedly has? Grind up the ISK for some corporation so it can have a bigger lump of space so it can grind up more ISK... until another corp comes along and proves to be more proficient at grinding that ISK.
Sorry but EVE is "Predatory Capitalism Online" to me. I don't find it fun or purposeful in RL and especially not in a computer game. I'd rather be a part of a great army "pointlessly" waging an eternal war that can never, ever end.